When people call the match Vincent/Magus as if it's a guarantee, I feel obligated to say something.

You know, I have Cloud/Link, which is still more likely than Squall/Magus.

But I don't bother refuting every single person who said that Cloud doesn't have a chance.

Actually, have it your way, it's not like board 8's votes matter anyway.

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Reserved for the winner of the SC2K5 Guru Challenge.

Why is everyone assuming Vincent will even be facing Dante in the first place? Hell, Kerrigan could end up shanking him in the first round for all we know.
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[Player] A bunch of JP just trained me!
[GM] Well you're still here, so they obviously didn't do it right. LBSJ

Well, whatever. If you're moved to vote against Squall simply because I'm an adamant believer and fanboy, then feel free. Not gonna bother me a bit.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

You know, I have Cloud/Link, which is still more likely than Squall/Magus.

Obviously; there's no way around Cloud/Link, whereas you could have either Geno/Magus, Squall/Knuckles, or Geno/Knuckles. =P

Seriously though, both are very possible, and I wouldn't dismiss either one's shot of the upset. I have Cloud over Link and Magus over Squall, but to think one's noticably more likely than the other is pretty extreme.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

Heh, several weeks from now, Squall's gonna lose to Magus by one vote. Hell will be raised in the southern region of the USA, I suspect, if such a thing happened.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

Cloud over Link is more likely to occur, if only because we know for sure they're very close together and Cloud's won before, with a reason to put him over the top again.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Obviously; there's no way around Cloud/Link, whereas you could have either Geno/Magus, Squall/Knuckles, or Geno/Knuckles. =P

Just to clarify, by Cloud/Link I mean Cloud over Link, not Cloud vs. Link.
Cloud vs. Link is guaranteed, but Cloud over Link isn't.
But it looks like you got what I mean.

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Reserved for the winner of the SC2K5 Guru Challenge.

Oh, and before I forget...

*adds Kirby's name to the list of impressive winners*

Ah, good change of pace.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

How can Dante beat Vincent? He's not even getting there in the first place. </shameless Terra > Dante plug>

Seriously, that whole division has so many unpredictable matches that we simply don't know how it'll end up. For all we know, the finals could be Terra vs. Squall. I'd say that Magus > Vincent is the most popular pick, but it's by no means a concensus. There's so many possibilities that we don't need to get all up in arms simply because someone else thinks that two different characters will be facing in Round 2 or 3 than the one's we have in our bracket.

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 2 - (4) Ness

Why is everyone assuming Vincent will even be facing Dante in the first place? Hell, Kerrigan could end up shanking him in the first round for all we know.

You do have a point, but if Kerrigan does beat Vincent she would still have no chance against Dante.
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17 handhelds Nintendo has taken down 1 more to go (see quote for rest)

If the division finals were Terra vs. Squall, I'd wet my pants. Unfortunately, after seeing Cecil's craptacular performance today, Terra has no shot at Dante.
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For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to refer to Gordon Freeman versus Tanner as Schrodinger's Match. -Phoenix Flattener

There are still people backing Terra after this bludgeoning? Jesus people, even Terra's own mother switched to Dante after today.

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
SC2k5 - 13/13 (empty slots in brackets suck)

For all we know, the finals could be Terra vs. Squall.

If Vincent's a choke-job and the generational preference takes place, that very well could be the Devil Final.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

Unfortunately, after seeing Cecil's craptacular performance today, Terra has no shot at Dante.

I'm glad creative and I aren't the only ones who realize this. Terra is going to get her ass whipped.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

*FF6 spoilers*










Terra's mother is dead.












~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Hmm...since Sora performed 10% under expectations and KH and FFX were released in roughly the same time period, clearly Tidus has no chance against Kirby.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

Dante does have a very good shot at taking down Vincent.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 11/13 points
Current Match Prediction: Tidus vs. King of all Cosmos

To Ulti:

*insert Harry Potter Spoiler nooooo here*
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17 handhelds Nintendo has taken down 1 more to go (see quote for rest)

I actually think that Dante/Vincent will be closer than a lot of people think. Kratos's impressive performance against Alucard is making me think that even with low sales, Dante will get a boost from DMC3. I also believe that Tifa > Aeris > Vincent, so Vincent/Dante could be a lot closer than people are making it out to be. After bracket voting, Dante could very well break 49% and threaten to actually win. I don't think he will win, but he's going to surprise a lot of people.

Seriously, Squall/Magus is the match that decides the division.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

I'll grant you that I'm not nearly as confident in my Terra pick as I was when I made my bracket, but I still do believe that it could happen. Besides, not much point in me giving up hope on it now, given that I can't exactly take it out of my bracket. We'll just have to wait and see.

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 2 - (4) Ness

Yeah, and FFVII: AC is about 90-95 minutes long. Plenty of time to watch it in a single day, get excited about it, and vote.

Chances are, if they buy FF AC, they're already voting for the FF characters if they're at gamefaqs in the first place.

Super Mario Sunshine would bring new people to gamefaqs, not ones already there to convince them to change their opinions and vote for Mario.
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Revenge is a dish best served cold. ~Old Klingon Proverb

From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 7/31/2005 10:09:05 PM | Message Detail
I actually think that Dante/Vincent will be closer than a lot of people think. Kratos's impressive performance against Alucard is making me think that even with low sales, Dante will get a boost from DMC3. I also believe that Tifa > Aeris > Vincent, so Vincent/Dante could be a lot closer than people are making it out to be. After bracket voting, Dante could very well break 49% and threaten to actually win. I don't think he will win, but he's going to surprise a lot of people.

Hence why I have Dante > Vincent. Dante got a boost from DMC2 despite the fact people hated it. And people love DMC3 and say it's the best of the series.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 11/13 points
Current Match Prediction: Tidus vs. King of all Cosmos

I wonder how many people actually has Terra vs. Squall as the division final. Seriously, that would just kill so many brackets right there. Myself included, because I have Magus beating Vincent.

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 2 - (4) Ness

Cecil's performance today has little bearing on what Terra will do. If you think she's going to be way down there with Ultros, you're crazy. She should equal Ramza, at the least, I think.

Honestly, FFIII scored more in the Favorite FF Poll than FFIV did, despite never being released in the United States!
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

I think that Vincent is going to look really strong in his match against Kerrigan and then barely scrape by Dante, and then lose gracefully to Magus/Squall. I see him as a more of a hit-or-miss character - you either love him or you don't really care for him at all. Against weak characters, he'll get the votes from the people who've played FFVII and thought that he was alright but nothing spectacular (like me), but he won't get those peoples' votes against more popular characters. Other characters like Tifa and Aeris may not have as many people who consider them their absolute favorite, but who'll still vote for them over upper mid-carders.
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For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to refer to Gordon Freeman versus Tanner as Schrodinger's Match. -Phoenix Flattener

I'm willin' to believe Terra's more popular than FF4 itself, guys. Terra's not out of it yet, though that isn't exactly the sign she was hopin' to see before her match.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

if they buy FF AC, they're already voting for the FF characters if they're at gamefaqs in the first place.

And you don't think a good number of them are Link fans, too? You don't think it could convince as few as 2500 fans of both to change their votes?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

I still don't know why people are making such a big deal about Cecil's performance relating to Terra. Zidane's going to suck, and Vivi already did suck; does that mean the other PSX/2 leads are going to suck? Of course not, because VII, VIII, and X are much more popular than IX. Same thing here, except CT and VI are much more popular than IV.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

Unfortunately, after seeing Cecil's craptacular performance today, Terra has no shot at Dante.

I'm glad creative and I aren't the only ones who realize this. Terra is going to get her ass whipped.

But Cecil isn't from Final Fantasy VI, wasn't rereleased on Playstation, and hasn't shown that FFIV is a force to be reckoned with on this site, whereas FFVI has proven itself (as a game, granted) to be very strong. We have several hero:villain relationships, and I'd bet something that Terra is recognized by the casual public as the main character of FFVI.

Cecil had none of the things going for him that Terra did and does.
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Revenge is a dish best served cold. ~Old Klingon Proverb

Honestly, FFIII scored more in the Favorite FF Poll than FFIV did, despite never being released in the United States!

And I'd bet dollars to donuts that most (or at least a good portion) of those votes were intended for FFVI. Which only makes FFVI look better, of course.

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 2 - (4) Ness

That's still saying that accident-votes out-numbered FF4 votes. That's even worse.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

And I'd bet dollars to donuts that most (or at least a good portion) of those votes were intended for FFVI. Which only makes FFVI look better, of course.

I know. It was just a joke, really.

But FFIV was rereleased in Final Fantasy Chronicles, though it was completely overshadowed by being packaged with Chrono Trigger.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

There's one thing I still don't understand with regards to Terra's match. Whenever people discuss her possible picture, don't they usually post either the terrible official artwork (responsible for Lettuce Kefka) or a picture from the Playstation Final Fantasy VI? If so, aren't those the pictures Kefka is usually cursed with, and don't users often complain that he's unrecognizable in them? Correct me if I'm wrong, as I have little Final Fantasy knowledge, but wouldn't Terra be just as unrecognizable without her sprite?

Of course, if this is indeed a stupid point that has previously been covered, I apologize.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

Yeah, I know. I'm not defending FFIV's popularity here -- I agree with you.

Although I suppose it's possible that some FFII votes were intended for FFIV.

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 2 - (4) Ness

But Cecil isn't ... wasn't rereleased on Playstation

Final Fantasy Chronicles would like a word with you.
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For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to refer to Gordon Freeman versus Tanner as Schrodinger's Match. -Phoenix Flattener

I know. It was just a joke, really.

Damn me and my inability to detect humour.

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 2 - (4) Ness

Terra's Amano art is more recognizable than Kefka's, I would say. You can't make out ANYTHING in Kefka's official artwork.

Although I suppose it's possible that some FFII votes were intended for FFIV.

I would imagine ALL of them were. Seriously, nobody should honestly vote FFII as their favorite.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

yoblazer: Terra's FMV actually looks like a 3D representation of her sprite. Kefka's doesn't, at least not what I imagined him looking like. If she does get Amano art, then, bleh, but voters should be able to recognize the FMV fairly easily.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

Ramza>Terra because Ramza is actually a main protagonist, and not one of the double digit leads in the cluster**** of playable characters that is FFVI. I am not saying solely because Ramza is a main protagonist and Terra is not that he would defeat her in contest strength, but what I am saying is that in my mind, all things being equal, the fact that he is a main protagonist and Terra is not swings the edge in his favor. Same theory applies to two closely matched characters where one's name is the same as the title of the game (Diablo/Ridley, Max Payne/Gordon Freeman).

Terra is going to get whipped something fierce, me thinks.

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
SC2k5 - 13/13 (empty slots in brackets suck)

And you don't think a good number of them are Link fans, too? You don't think it could convince as few as 2500 fans of both to change their votes?

It could, but I don't really think so.


and, yeah, my bad about Final Fantasy Chronicles...
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Revenge is a dish best served cold. ~Old Klingon Proverb

And FFII is the worst game in the series, by far, and that's not easy to accomplish when your series also includes FFTA. I would hope all of those votes were for FFIV.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

Man, Ramza deserves another shot at this contest. I want to see him come back...
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

God of War and Kratos are entirely new, so of course the game helps him by default. I don't think DMC3 would boost Dante much, if at all. I'd assume most of the people that played DMC3 also played DMC. And unless Dante has a Squall like reversal, and Dante is more liked in DMC3 than he was in DMC, then I don't think it would amount to much.

As much as I'd like Tifa > Aeris > Vincent to be true, since I don't care for either Vincent or Aeris, I doubt that it actually is as such. Polls on this site as well as other sites have Vincent as being the 3rd most popular FF7 character. Then with him being the resident badass, he has reason to be liked more than Aeris and Tifa, as that type of character is always popular on this site.

The thing about him being an optional character hurting him is absolutely ridiculous. He's listed in the instruction manual and player's guide with the rest of the characters. His game is the most popular game on this site and has been out for about 8 years. If there are people that still don't know about him now, then they probably aren't FF7 fans to begin with. Him being featured in his own game and in Advent Children would be enough to offset that anyways.

And I'm saying this as someone who doesn't even CARE for Vincent. If I had it my way, Knuckles would take the division without any contest. But I've just seen little to make me believe that Vincent would be weaker than Aeris...
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

But Cecil [...] wasn't rereleased on Playstation

Final Fantasy Chronicles. And yes, I'm aware that someone already pointed this out.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Final Fantasy Chronicles. And yes, I'm aware that someone already pointed this out.

Then why... point it out again?

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 2 - (4) Ness

The other points still stand.
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Revenge is a dish best served cold. ~Old Klingon Proverb

If I had it my way, Knuckles would take the division without any contest.

Good man, good man.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

If I had it my way, I'd still be #1 on the leaderboard, but alas!

Looks like we might fall short of 90k for the second straight day. Tidus/King will be hard-pressed to do so tomorrow as well, I believe.
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It's just not the same without this name.
Faithful supporter of Squall Leonhart in SC2K5

Advent Children comes out the same day as Cheers Season 6 on DVD! ^_^
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Welcome to Moonside. Wecomel to Soonmide. Moonwel ot cosidme.

I'm with FastFalcon05 regarding Link/Cloud. I don't think Advent Children will have as big an effect as some of the Cloud supporters say it will.

One, we're assuming that everyone is going to rush out and buy it as soon as it comes out. Two, with higher vote totals, it's gonna take more than 2500 to change their minds about it. Three, even IF the people who like Cloud and Link watch the movie and like Cloud more, it doesn't necessarily mean that they would like Cloud better than Link afterwards. Especially if Link is a steadfast favorite. We're assuming that those that like both of them like them nearly the same. There could be significant gaps between how much they like Cloud and Link. There are too many variables to depend on AC having to change someones mind in order for Cloud to win.
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."