Kirby may be crushed a little but he's riding a freaking warp star.
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Cecil looks nice, but the thing is Kirby looks great also. Warp Star > you.
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I'm thinking gravity could be what crushes Kirby. These things aren't exactly static, you know. ;)

Cecil looks like Zombie #18 from your favorite horror game. Advantage Kirby.
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Cecil looks horrible. But at least he got a dark knight picture, I guess... but it looks really bad. Is that what they used in the cinema scenes added in FF Chronicles?

If so I'm very disappointed with that.
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I wonder if the other pics aren't up yet cause Ceej spent all his time trying to find a good picture for Cecil...
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I can't wait for the Tidus/KoaC pic.
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Summer Contest 2005: 10/11
Today Sora, Tomorrow: Kirby

I checked on Google, and believe it or not, that isn't a 3d rendering of dark knight cecil at all. It's just the official art for dark knight cecil.
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Cecil looks horrible. But at least he got a dark knight picture, I guess... but it looks really bad. Is that what they used in the cinema scenes added in FF Chronicles?

That's just the Amano art. The FMV Cecil doesn't look like that at all. His armor is a little more bluish and he doesn't look as..."undead".

I can't wait for the Tidus/KoaC pic.

I can't wait either. We can all look forward to the inevitable fact that KoaC is going to look more bad-ass than Tidus while wearing purple tights. 'Tis true.
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

If Cecil got Amano art, then things aren't looking so good for Terra.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 10/12 points
Current Match Prediction: Kirby vs. Cecil

I like Terra's Amano art better than that anorexic creation that's in the FFVI FMVs... At least people who've played FFIII on the SNES are FAMILIAR with the Amano art since that was the official art used back in those days. It may not necessarily look all that good though....
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Actually the vast majority of people who played it on the SNES won't be familiar with it at all, as either they won't have looked at the instruction book in depth back in the day or will have totally forgotten about it.

The only people familiar with it will be people around these topics, that have discussed the pictures.
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Unfortunately for Cecil, he doesn't have anything else. Terra does.
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Summer Contest 2005: 10/11
Today Sora, Tomorrow: Kirby

Most people probably played FF6 on the SNES, so I don't think the FMV pics will help her at all. I think she's screwed with the pic either way.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 10/12 points
Current Match Prediction: Kirby vs. Cecil

They still would be more familiar with the Amano art than they would by the FMV. Of course, I'm not saying that they wouldn't be able to figure out who everyone is in FMV form. I'm just talking about familiarity.

http://www.ffcompendium.com/chara/4-cecil-s.jpg

That's the ONLY pic I could find of Cecil from the FF Chronicles FMV. I'm surprised that pic is so hard to find. I could have sworn I saw it plastered all over the place when FF Chronicles first came out...
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/screenshots/ps/ffchronicles/ffchronicles_screen003.jpg

That's the best you're gonna get from the FFC FMV. It's not much though. That whole FMV sequence was pretty crappy, especially when compared to the Chrono Trigger opening CG sequence. Even FFV and especially FFVI's FMV were much better than FFVI's....
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

... much better than FFIV's I meant.
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Match 13: (1) Kirby vs. (8) Cecil Harvey

Past Performances

Kirby

Summer 2002
Lost to Jill Valentine, 46.66% - 53.34%
Ranked: 17th

Summer 2003
Beat Ramza Beoulve, 57.66% - 42.34%
Lost to Alucard Tepes, 47.79% - 52.21%
Ranked: 25th

Summer 2004
Beat Kain, 64.65% - 35.35%
Lost to Squall Leonhart, 44.99% - 55.01%
Ranked: 30th

Spring 2005
Did not attend
Ranked: N/A

Cecil Harvey

Summer 2002
Did not attend
Ranked: N/A

Summer 2003
Did not attend
Ranked: N/A

Summer 2004
Did not attend
Ranked: N/A

Spring 2005
Did not attend
Ranked: N/A

Analysis

Wow this is our third Nintendo vs. Square match so far and we aren’t even done half of the first round, this was much better compare to last summer where we only had one of those match and it wasn’t even that interesting. With eight divisions this year and with no Clinkeroth Kirby has gotten a 1 seed, but will he act like one? Of course not, Kirby is looking at another round 2 exit, but Cecil could give him a hard time tomorrow or maybe not.

Let’s welcome Cecil who’s from the oldest Final Fantasy that’s been in a contest so far (you may put Kefka before, but he’s from VI not III). So what does that mean for contest strength? Well the weakest Final Fantasy character to be in this contest would be Ramza (or is it? *points to Kirby, Bomberman and Alucard increasing*), but Kefka probably would be the best base for Cecil since they were from old-school Final Fantasy.

Using last year’s number Kirby was supposed to get 60.15% on Kefka. I would probably rank Cecil below Kefka since Final Fantasy VI is much more popular then IV, but I wouldn’t rank him too far away. So from the looks of it Kirby has a great chance on breaking 60% on Cecil tomorrow. I also don’t think Cecil could rank below Kain so a doubling is almost out of the question.

Nothing much has really happened to Kirby during this past year, but he did get a new game for the DS which has been given much love, but like most handheld games it’s probably not going to help Kirby as much as I want it to help him. I would probably rank Kirby constant between the years. Also don’t forget that Kirby was in a line of SFF last year (which is why most of our predictions are wacky), hopefully it will be ok, but if worse comes to worse Kirby could fall back to his 2k3 numbers.

So where does this lead us? Well if Kirby did fall back to his 2k3 numbers, which is unlikely as of now I can see him falling short on breaking 60%. Now using his 2k4 numbers Kirby will break 60%, but I also don’t think Cecil will fall below Kain so I also think he’ll be below 65%. With already three NvS matches I’m still surprised that we still haven’t gotten any nail bitters between them.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Kirby over Cecil Harvey

charmander6000’s Prediction: Kirby wins, 61.94% - 38.06%

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Is this official artwork?

http://hb8.seikyou.ne.jp/home/petit-owl/gall.files/cecil.jpg

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Hm, I fear that Dark Knight Cecil might be as good of a picture as Trance Kuja...much better than normal, but not recognizable enough to win.
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No, that's not official, as far as I know. Never seen it before.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Well the weakest Final Fantasy character to be in this contest would be Ramza (or is it? *points to Kirby, Bomberman and Alucard increasing*)

Sin! Ultros! Kuja!
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Summer Contest 2005: 10/11
Today Sora, Tomorrow: Kirby

Kuja!

;_;
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It's great to see Ultros so low on the hierarchy, but I just wish he wasn't above Kuja.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Summer 2004
Beat Kain, 64.65% - 35.35%
Lost to Squall Leonhart, 44.99% - 55.01%
Ranked: 30th

Which Kain is this? (I really don't remember ><)
If it's FF4 Kain, I think we can be pretty sure that Cecil will lose by roughly the same amount.
But I'm guessing it's vampire Kain?
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How much would Kuja get on Kirby?

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Yep, it's Kain from Legacy of Kain.
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Round 1: (7) Geno

<_<

Well the villians contest were wacky anyway and besides I don't think Cecil can be that weak.

>_>
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Where is that picture even from?

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I googled Cecil Final Fantasy and there it was.

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Dream Division Round 1 - Match 13 – (1)Kirby vs. (8)Cecil

Kirby
Game/Series Known From: Kirby
Extrapolated Rank in 2002: 17th (25.54%)
Extrapolated Rank in 2003: 25th (26.34%)
Extrapolated Rank in 2004: 30th (20.62%) Adjusted Value: 22nd (26.61%)
Seed in 2002: 14
Seed in 2003: 3
Seed in 2004: 5
Lost in 2002 to Jill in Round 1
Lost in 2003 to Alucard in Round 2
Lost in 2004 to Squall in the Round 2

Kirby can get so close to make it to Round 3, but falls short every time. This time he’s a 1 seed though, so…yay?

Cecil
Game/Series Known From: Final Fantasy IV
Extrapolated Rank in 2002: N/A
Extrapolated Rank in 2003: N/A
Extrapolated Rank in 2004: N/A
Seed in 2002: N/A
Seed in 2003: N/A
Seed in 2004: N/A

Cecil joins the Contest for his first time. Will he join the ranks of Cloud, Squall and Tidus as a strong FF hero?

“Kirby vs. some Final Fantasy hero guy not named Cloud, Squall or Tidus? Easy choice!”

No, BAD BRACKET-MAKER PERSON! What is your name, child?

“I’m Billy! Billy the Average Bracketmaker!”

Ok Billy, now I know you want to go put Kirby as the winner of this match in an instant because he is the 1-seed of the division, and facing a FF Hero not named Cloud, Squall or Tidus.

“That’s right! Kirby will crush that guy 80-20!”

Woah there Billy, let’s not get carried away with ourselves now. Kirby is a pretty decent competitor in these Contests, but you can’t underestimate Cecil like that. Cecil might be the hero of one of the less-popular Final Fantasy games, but remember, this is GameFAQs. FF4 still is somewhat popular here. Cecil could very well upset Kirby.

“Oh no! Now I don’t know what to do! Help me!!!”

Oh, that’s alright Little Billy. Cecil would have to be quite the shocker in strength to upset Kirby. Kirby should win the match, but expect Cecil to put up Ramza-like numbers on him. Ramza was the lead character in FFT, which is a bit more popular on GameFAQs than FF4, but one could argue that Cecil is a more popular hero than Ramza was, so it will be interesting to see how this turns out. Also, let’s not forget Kirby has had Canvas Curse come out recently, one of the biggest games on the DS, this could also help out the Puffball a bit.

“Thanks Mister, now I know what to do!”

And knowing is only half the battle, my child.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Kirby will win.

Moltar’s Prediction is: Kirby: 62% - Cecil: 38%



Ulti’s Analysis

Cecil is another lower tier Square character that got in due to their being no company cap in this contest, but unfortunately, he gets the shaft by being an 8 seed in his first ever match. And if CJayC is true to form, Cecil might get stuck with the Amano pic we saw on the character introduction page. It'll be a moral victory if Cecil can somehow beat Ramza's score of 42.34%, but somehow I doubt he'll come close. Final Fantasy 4 isn't nearly as well-known as FFT on GameFAQs and isn't held in nearly the same regard. Cecil will be lucky to avoid a doubling, especially with the match picture I think he'll get. He also has to deal with Canvas Curse recently coming out in Kirby's favor.

Prediction: Kirby with 67.24%



Tnote’s Analysis

A few people think this has good upset potential, and I cannot discredit them, given the success Final Fantasy has enjoyed here at GameFAQs. However, I have never played FFIV (V?), so I cannot hop on the Cecil Bandwagon. However, you need to have a lot going for you to overthrow a one-seed, and I cannot see Cecil possessing such momentum. All this being said, Cecil could potentially suffer from a crappy picture, but no matter what I will be shocked if this one goes more than 60/40 in favor of everyone’s favorite swallower.

Pick: Kirby with 58.27%

Soul’s Analysis

We kick off the Dream division (AKA Nightmare Division*) with a rather easy match. Kirby returns with a bang by snatching a 1 seed over Magus, Ganondorf and even Crono. Cecil, yet another Final Fantasy character, debuts as an 8 seed.

Cecil is from FFIV (4 for you people who dislike Roman Numerals). I've never played it, and I rarely have heard about it. In fact, for the longest time I thought the series went from 3/6 to 7, and just skipped 4 and 5. Since I know very little about this game, I'm guessing that Cecil is the main hero.

One thing that's good about this contest is that we'll see the strength of almost every Final Fantasy game here. As of right now, Final Fantasy 4 is barely talked about, and I'm betting that it's hardly known to the hardcore FF7+ fans of the series. So, I'm thinking that Kirby could look a lot stronger then he/she/it actually is.

My prediction: Kirby wins with 75.00%. Right down the middle with this one. (^'-')> Hi! <('-'^)

*Nightmare Division courtesy of Wylvane.



Outback’s Analysis

Another 1/8 match. I've seen a few people saying that this could be interesting, but, quite honestly, they're crazy. Kirby beat Ramza with 57.66, and I can't even see Cecil at Ramza's level, and that, coupled with the supposed Nintendo boost we've seen this year, will get Kirby over 60%.

Kirby with 62.22%



Inviso’s Analysis

While I was writing this up, I started sing the “Pup Named Scooby Doo” theme song, only using Kirby instead of Scooby. Kirby dirby, Kirby dirby doo, Kirby dirby, Kirby dirby doo. Anyway, Kirby’s a one seed, much to the anger of ertyu, because as we all know…Kirby es dum. Anyway, Kirby’s first match is an easy one. The pink puffball is taking on Cecil, the star of Final Fantasy IV. Kirby has spawned the numerous emoticons worldwide and is Metool’s hero. He’s been classified as one of the cutest characters of all time, and is also one of the board’s favorite characters. Meanwhile, Cecil is from a Final Fantasy game that A. is not 3D, thus losing it popularity and B. is not FFVI, thus losing it even more popularity. Cecil just doesn’t have the power of other Final Fantasy characters and really shouldn’t have taken another spot in the contest to add to Square’s many representatives. The Final Fantasy name will keep him from suffering that badly, but Kirby has this in the bag.

My Bracket: Kirby
My Vote: Kirby
My Prediction: Kirby with 69.11%

Vlado’s Analysis

We have an interesting match at hand here. Well... It would've been interesting, if we didn't already know how badly old school Final Fantasies do in GameFAQs contests... Kefka is their flagship, and even he once again proved to be extremely weak with his loss against Diablo in the spring. I'm absolutely certain that Cecil will be weaker than Kefka, he's from a more obscure Final Fantasy and, despite being the main, he's hardly the most memorable character in his own game. It's a damn miracle Cecil managed to actually make it, as I didn't really see any support for him during the nomination stage. He's from a Final Fantasy, but I doubt most Final Fantasy fans would even know that... Leading me to believe that he would be very weak, probably around Laharl's level, if not worse.

Kirby showed some growth in 2004, compared to the previous two years and I think he'll have gotten even stronger, even if we just take Nintendo's significant increase into account. Despite everything, I think Kirby was seriously overseeded in this division and that he's certainly nowhere near Bowser or Ryu. In fact, I think this will be Kirby's last win in the tourney, as Tidus is a far better recognized Final Fantasy protagonist than Cecil. If there's any justice in the world, Tidus will defeat Kirby, and with a margin that proves that Shadow the Hedgehog > Kirby. However, in this particular match, Kirby will have it easy.

Predicted percentage: Kirby with 72.33%.

That's 3 out of the last 4 days I've raised my eyebrows at the prediction percentages. People really expect Cecil to be weaker than Kain...?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Because I'm bored, here's a ranked list of all the Square characters, ranked by their best performance.

Rank Name Game Year of Best Performance
1 Cloud FFVII 2k3
2 Sephiroth FFVII 2k3
3 Crono CT 2k4
4 Magus CT 2k3
5 Tidus FFX 2k3
6 Auron FFX 2k4
7 Aeris FFVII 2k3
8 Squall FFVIII 2k3
9 Frog CT 2k4
10 Sora KH 2k4
11 Vivi FFIX 2k4
12 Riku KH 2k5
13 Yuna FFX-2 2k5
14 Aya Brea PE 2k2
15 Kefka FFVI 2k4
16 Ramza FFT 2k3
17 Ansem KH Sp2k5
18 Lavos CT Sp2k5
19 Sin FFX Sp2k5
20 Ultros FFVI Sp2k5
21 Kuja FFIX Sp2k5

I'm giving Squall the benefit of the doubt over Frog, and making educated guesses with 2k5 Yuna and Riku.
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Summer Contest 2005: 10/11
Today Sora, Tomorrow: Kirby

Sora getting past snake and ryu/bowser/tidus? I'd call those people insane, but that's just me.

Sora's got a plenty-realistic shot at making the Final Four, even if several other character have a lil' more realistic shot, heh. If Sora was able to beat Solid or Zelda, it's not unreasonable to think he could beat Bowser or Ryu, too; he'd just have to hope he didn't fight Tidus if Aeris/Sora is a sign of anything.


Sora is definitely underperforming worse than Alucard did.

The Hitman series has sold a million or two (maybe a lil' more?), whereas God Of War has got about 600,000 sales (goin' by memory). Agent 47 has had multiple games, whereas Kratos has only one. Alucard allowed Kratos to get 44+%. Sora is keeping Agent 47 under 30%.

I realize Kratos would beat Agent 47 down, but with all things considered, you'd be hard-pressed to say Sora's underperforming even worse than Alucard. Keep in mind that he's making Agent look noticably weaker than an optional character from an Xbox RPG. That's not bad...not bad.


No, Alucard gained. He did beat Kirby and Ramza

First, the contest...now, the statement. Is Bomberman goin' to be snubbed any more?


http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/sum05/b13.jpg

Kirby/Cecil is an awesome picture.


If Cecil got Amano art, then things aren't looking so good for Terra.

True, though Cecil still got a nice picture.
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I wouldn't worry about Terra getting Amano art. As RPGuy said before, she has other options. Cecil does not.
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Round 1: (7) Geno

first of all, that Kirby/Cecil pic is ******* awesome. especially Cecil's pic. that pic will definitely get him more votes than his lousy Paladin pic that was on the user profile page. i do have to admit that is a pretty sweet pic of Kirby, too, but that Dark Knight pic is the best pic Cecil could have gotten.

and, even though there are other options for Terra, i seriously doubt she will get any pictures other than her Amano pic after seeing both Kefka and Cecil get their Amano pics.

she might get one of these two pics from the FMV:

http://heat_4.tripod.com/Final_Fantasy_files/Terra_Branford1098212033602.jpg

http://purplepuff0.tripod.com/terra.jpg

but seeing how Ceej loves to use the Amano artwork, i bet that she will get this pic:

http://yourpage.blazenet.net/carusos/Images/terra6.jpg

the Amano one is probably the least appealing and least recognizable of the three pics, but it's still not that bad, especially compared to Lettuce Kefka.

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I'm very conflicted about this match. This is one of the few matches where I have feelings that are contradictory.

I could see Cecil getting just over 40%, or getting only about 32%. I have some feelings that he wil overperform; and other feelings that say he just won't be that strong. I can't predict this match at all.
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Cecil should get just over 40%. I can see him gettin' up to 44%, and I can see him just avoiding the doubling...nothing more extreme than either of those though.
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I have this feeling that Kirby is just going to take care of Cecil with absolute ease. I wouldn't be surprised to see him completely clear 60%.

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Cecil with 48%. Book it.
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My prediction is Kirby will double Cecil.

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From: Adept_Of_Aiur | Posted: 7/30/2005 10:55:44 PM | Message Detail
Cecil with 48%. Book it.

That would be so awesome, but I don't think it's gonna happen. I think Kirby will clear 60% easily.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 10/12 points
Current Match Prediction: Kirby vs. Cecil

People really expect Cecil to be weaker than Kain...?

Lucid keeps bringing up that comparing characters across years is pretty stupid, and I tend to agree. It's very possible that Cecil could be stronger than Kain, but do worse in the poll.

Now granted, my writeup looks like ass after the pic that Ceej gave to Cecil.

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I think Kirby will beat Cecil with ~62%. He may have gone up and Cecil probably won't be stronger than Ramza.
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From: Adept_Of_Aiur | Posted: 7/30/2005 10:55:44 PM | Message Detail
Cecil with 48%. Book it.
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My prediction in the Oracle is Kirby with 65.22%

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My prediction is that Cecil will bomb. Most of the people that have played FFIV that come here are probably also hardcore visitors and will just bracket vote Kirby. ;(
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