The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.



*Creativename's websites*

Everything you could ever imagine:
http://www.sc2k5.com
http://www.sc2k4.com

Summer 2002 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/1

Summer 2003 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/2

Spring 2004 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/3

Summer 2004 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/4

Summer 2005 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/5

Sortable Table for Every Contest Match:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/19



*Extrapolated Standings*

Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/11

Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

Summer 2002 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/13

Summer 2003 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/14

Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/15

SFF Adjusted Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/16

Summer 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/17

SFF Adjusted Summer 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/18

Spring 2005 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/27

All Time Extrapolated Standings:
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/alltimexsts.htm



*Solarshadow's Sites*

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html

Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html



*Old Stats topics*

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)

2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.

Spring 2004 Pre-Season (Chance the number after "Season" to view other pages; there are three of them):
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm

Spring 2004 Contest (Change the number after "Stats" to view other pages; there are eight of them):
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm



*Match Pictures*

All the match pics, save for three from 2002:
http://www.sc2k5.com/gallery/index.php



*Miscellaneous*

Creativename's Page of Links:
http://sc2k4.com/links.php

MMXcalibur's Contest Sites:
http://prophetchallenge.hyperboards2.com/index.cgi
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/

A List of Acronyms, A Lesson on Percentages, and Some Odd Matches:
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/acronymspercentsanomalies.htm

Poll Vote Total Updater:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/25

All Time Top 25/Top 10 Lists:
http://www.rpgdl.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3251



!yawa tsoP

Zelda killed my bracket and raped my pride.
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Sir Chris, Chief of Police at Board 8
Board 8: Where yoblazer is king of gurus.

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

The man who makes the impossible possible shall finally reach the Final Four this year, no matter what the doubters may say.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

OMG SO SO-*Gets shot*

///
I simply must say I'm completely out of ideas for a sig!

Well, at least we haven't seen inequalities yet.

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

Nevermind.

*gives Tediz a mean look*

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

Ryu > Bowser
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Summer 2005 Contest - 8/10 points
Current Match Prediction: Kratos (God of War) vs. Alucard

The Pimp Plan sponsored by Zelos and Alucard is better than everything, ever.

What inequality? >_>
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That... was her final mission. And like a true soldier, she saw it through the end.
ZSB [aX]

11th.


~RPGGamer~

"You steal men's souls, and make them your slaves!"
"Perhaps the same can be said of all religions!"

It's not Alucard, but it's probably the game's best quote. And hey, that other quote isn't Alucard either. <_<

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I need to put something here.

EDMUND BURKE'D
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Is that quote wrong or is it just me?

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.


~RPGGamer~

any good Kratos quotes? >_>

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Official Co-Host for PUB TRIVIA XV
Yoblazer is officially THE MAN for beating us all in SpC2K5!!

Hmph. Ness > CJ.
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Summer Contest 2005: 9/9
Today: Vivi, Tomorrow: Alucard

Alucard is going to absolutely crush Kratos. 66% at least.
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Vote for Yoshi
You have no chance to survive make your time.

I was owned by my own opinion.

GG DC.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

And for all we know Gannon/Yuna was a fluke.

Ganon/Yuna didn't provide us with any glaring irregularities. There's no reason to believe it was.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Inequalities are getting tired. Find a new way to begin and end each stat discussion topic, people.

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

Yeah it did. Either Yuna gained a lot or Gannon's strength in SC2k5 is completely wrong.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

With what....DISCUSSION?!?

HAHAHA...oh wait...that would make sense...
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Moltar's Comics - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Vivi vs. Zelda- Bracket: Zelda - Vote: Zelda (8/9)

"MOTHEEEEEEEEER!"

I <3 Alucard.
~~~
In loving memory of Hassan.
UPN can go to hell.

Master Chief = Frog
?


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Revenge is a dish best served cold. ~Old Klingon Proverb

Actually screw that. Either Yuna gained a lot or Ganon has dropped since 2003.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

The voting trends are so different that comparing across years isn't very practical.

I would also argue that the voting trends will change in a mere month, and that a first round performance may not be indicative of a second round.
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LordOfDabu.nS)
To be defeated by us is an honor.

Either Yuna gained a lot

And there's no reason why she shouldn't. Her gain puts her almost equal to Knuckles, which is about a 2% from a game in which she was the lead character. Nothing hard to believe about that at all.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

The problem is we have no idea where Zelda is.

We have no numbers for Vivi. The only numbers we can judge him through is DK who only has one year of non-SFFd numbers.

Zelda also has one year of numbers. Zelda and DK's numbers are telling two way different stories.

You can be like you and believe Zelda's or be like me and believe DK's.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

And Gannon has had a free giveaway of his games to 100,000s of people. He shouldnt have increased from that?
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

At any rate, I'd consider Vivi to be a fluke last year.

Like Frog, he was a newcomer, so he probably had a lot support from people who wanted to give him a "chance".

Unfortunately, we'll have to wait for almost a month for a definite answer.

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Reserved for the winner of the SC2K5 Guru Challenge.

Which is why this match may be an irregularity, for all we know. I'll let Zelda tell us herself next round. Until then, I'm confident Snake beats her.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

I hope Snake beats her, my bracket depends on it. But right now I see what I see. Snake being unimpressive, Zelda being impressive. Same thing with Auron and Gannon even though there is no way you can judge those two characters by those two matches. People are still switching to the Auron side.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

...my 500 post would have been so much better, but fennsiv distracted me on AIM.

I would reveal it to you now... but it's awesomeness shall shine eventually.

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It's a Pinball Masquerade
Cheer up Emo kids. ~This sig was pimped by Icon's sig~

And Gannon has had a free giveaway of his games to 100,000s of people. He shouldnt have increased from that?

Mario Party has been rehashed repeatedly and still sells well with each release. Does he gain from that? No.

The difference between Ganondorf and Yuna is that one is a well-established character, and the other is not. It's going to take quite a bit for him to increase. Remember that he has yet to be revealed in Twilight Princess as of yet, for what it's worth.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Frog had a lot of underground support from certain factors which really didnt appear for Vivi. I dont think the newcomer thing applies with him, but it could
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

And for the record, Mario Party 6 outsold Metroid Prime 2. There's your difference maker, folks.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Okay here is what you got to assume with Yuna.

Either A) People changed their minds with Yuna with FFX-2
or
B) They didnt play FFX

B is almost completely unlikely for most people, A could have an effect.

The difference between CE and Mario Party is that the same people will keep buying Mario's stuff. This game was GIVEN AWAY FOR FREE with a Gamecube. True Zelda fans already owned a Gamecube. Unless we are assuming that many people are buying multiple Gamecubes than its safe to assume the CE gave many new people a chance to experience Zelda.

Basically Gannondorf has every reason to increase that Link does EXCEPT for TP.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

People changed their minds with Yuna with FFX-2

Yuna is a lot different in FFX-2, so it's highly possible.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Im not arguing they didnt. Actually I am arguing they did. She gained from that quite a bit.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Yuna is a lot different in FFX-2, so it's highly possible.

That's true, but it was a change for the worse, I just can't imagine her increasing because of that...

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Reserved for the winner of the SC2K5 Guru Challenge.

Basically Gannondorf has every reason to increase that Link does EXCEPT for TP.

Soul Calibur 2.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

That's true, but it was a change for the worse

Yeah, but she was fanservice for the casual gamer.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

That came out before 2003 Link vs Cloud.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Actually I liked Yuna better in FFX-2. I still thought she was horrible character, but she wasnt competiting for Worst Character Ever like she was in FFX.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Yuna's character was great in Final Fantasy X. The problem was Hedy Burress.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

No it wasnt. I can distinguish character from voice actor. Her voice acting was awful, but so was her character.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

The problem with FFX was the slower than **** battle system.
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SC2K5 GAME REPRESENTATION TOURNAMENT
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=22468265

I have to agree. The fact that you had to bring every character in to get expereince annoyed me to no end.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Gah, I never can remember that about SC2. When in the Summer Contest was SC2 released though?
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

You kinda have to use your party members in battle to gain experience in all of the FFs except for FFVII, where those who don't participate still get some.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

For the record, SC2 was the #1 FAQ at the time of Link/Cloud, if I recall correctly. It came out a week or two before.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

If you want slow battles, check out FFIX. FFX at least kept it's battles interesting, though the high random encounter rate did get on my nerves at times.

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

Whoa, Lucid acknowledged FFIX exists!
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

I really rather just have to switch the characters when I want to level them up than during the battle which basically means Im making 4 people guard to gain expereince.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

The RPG thats the worst about battles becoming slow and tedious is easily Baten Kaitos...

That game was soooo bad.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

See, now, when people dis IX, I get mad. I think that *Gasp!* IX is better than VII. And X for that matter.
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Yoshifan scorecard: Next Match: Zelda Vs. Vivi: 86.58%
Points:Contest:9/9 Oracle:380.62/44th place

From the games I've played, nothing tops SoA's battle system for slow pace and high tedium, which becomes even more frustrating with a high encounter rate.

However, I can tolerate it since I love the game otherwise.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

I think that IX *Gasp!* never actually happened.

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

The RPG thats the worst about battles becoming slow and tedious is easily Baten Kaitos...

That game was soooo bad.

That reminds me why I love FF VII so much, you can set the frequency of random battles yourself!

That's also why I hate FF IX, the random battles frequency are high in the dungeons and extremely annoying, since none of the chars can do heavy damage.

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Reserved for the winner of the SC2K5 Guru Challenge.

X's battle speed couvle been easily improved as well. Bringing characters in and out wasn't as abd as I thoguht it'd be early on, but it coudl've flowed better and faster no doubt.
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Spring Contest 2k5 Score: 76/80 T-117th

It wasnt even the frequency of battles in Baten Kaitos since there were no random battles. It was just the slowness.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

On a more pressing topic, what does Kratos have to get tommorow in roder to ensure your confidence of Sora > Alucard?
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Spring Contest 2k5 Score: 76/80 T-117th

Ok ok. Why is IX so uh... not umm... nevermind. I'll just say I like FFIX.
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Rockman's Road to Victory: Round 1: Conker
Don't forget to vote for: Ryu(SF)

Zelda has 68% of the brackets against Vivi.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

I dont know since there is a very large range Kratos can fall.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

I like FF9 too...
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"Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Lunar 2:EB
*Claims KG's Eclair & Millia Rage*

and wrong.... Wild Arms has the ridclouously worst battle speed/rate of encounter.
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Spring Contest 2k5 Score: 76/80 T-117th

I dont know since there is a very large range Kratos can fall.

Cop out =P


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Spring Contest 2k5 Score: 76/80 T-117th

I say Zelda has 75%, at the least.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

On a more pressing topic, what does Kratos have to get tommorow in roder to ensure your confidence of Sora > Alucard?

Ensure?
Anything above 45%.

I'll be worried if Kratos breaks 40%.

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Reserved for the winner of the SC2K5 Guru Challenge.

FF9 doesn't have a high encounter rate, it has long load times entering battles.

I said Zelda would have 60% bracket support yesterday and can't imagine that to be true anymore. 75%.
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vote for vivi.

Zelda with 77% of the brackets.

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A E OUTBACK OWNS ME

I'll give her 82%
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Bracket: Zelda - Vote: Zelda - Points: 8/9

I'll be worried if Kratos breaks 40%.

Eh, I think he can manage that much. I think he'll get at least 43%, myself. I personally hope that Alucard crushes him though because the stronger he looks, the better.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Zelda with 68% of the bracket.
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"Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Lunar 2:EB
*Claims KG's Eclair & Millia Rage*

FF2j's (NES) battles are incredibly slow, especially when multi-target moves are used. It's even worse than FF1.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

65% of the people had Donkey Kong over Vivi last year.

My prediction is 73.67%
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17 handhelds Nintendo has taken down 1 more to go (see quote for rest)

On the topic of FF IX, I actually liked the story, the environment, and the game as a whole.

But the battle system and the char design push it down below FF VIII in my fave list.

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Reserved for the winner of the SC2K5 Guru Challenge.

But seriously if Alucard 2k5 = what he had in 2k4.

If Kratos gets 48%, he equals Kirby. Thats too high.
If Kratos gets 45%, he equals Knuckles. Upper limit I can see Kratos.
If Kratos gets 40%, he equals a bit more than DK unadjusted. Thats where I think he will fall.
If Kratos gets 35%, he equals Scorpion unadjusted.
If Kratos gets 30%, he equals Conker. Lower bound.

I can seriously see Kratos anywhere between Conker and Knuckles, so 70-30 through 55-45 is free game for Alucard.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

I think it well be about 60%. Zelda is a lot more mainstream then Vivi, but Vivi has a higher seed. That usually makes a world of difference in what casual bracket makers pick.
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Vivi was the 7 seed against DK last year, if I recall correctly.
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It's just not the same without this name.
Faithful supporter of Squall Leonhart in SC2K5

Funny thing is that the casual bracket maker has been right above every match so far. Wonder when that will change?
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Nevermind then.... it's probably closer to 70%. It's just that casual bracket makers seem to make a habit of overwhelmingly siding with the higher seed.
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It'll change on Kefka/Vercetti. That's the next "toss-up" match.
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It's just not the same without this name.
Faithful supporter of Squall Leonhart in SC2K5

I just thought of something that might explain the Link/Gannon/Zelda thing. What if Gdorf was actually overrated in 2k3 and he DID get an increase as well?
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

As long as Vercetti wins, I'm pretty sure we'll get above average.
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17 handhelds Nintendo has taken down 1 more to go (see quote for rest)

Well, people have said Magus overperformed on Link for a long time now. If it's true and Ganon's increase cancelled that out, it's good news for me.
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It's just not the same without this name.
Faithful supporter of Squall Leonhart in SC2K5

Alucard could potentially have a very low prediction percentage. He's a lower seed (by a fair bit) and probably not nearly as known by casual bracket makers as Kratos. After all god of war was heavily advertised and well liked.
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7 minutes till Kratos/Alucard......hmm...this match worries me...
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WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa
*Is now in need of a sig

It really shouldnt.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Zelda with 69.01%
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

Is anyone else having trouble accessing sc2k5.com right now?
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It's just not the same without this name.
Faithful supporter of Squall Leonhart in SC2K5

Is anyone else having trouble accessing sc2k5.com right now?

Yeah, it's down.

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Reserved for the winner of the SC2K5 Guru Challenge.

Yeah its not loading.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Is anyone else having trouble accessing sc2k5.com right now?

It's not working for me either.
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Please sign this petition for a history board:
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=21995996

Yeah.

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A E OUTBACK OWNS ME

prediction for next match- Alucard wins with 54.1%
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Current Playing: Chrono Trigger (SNES) o_0
The Ohio State: We are so much better than m*ch!g@n. ^_^

Alucard with 56.25%

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A E OUTBACK OWNS ME

Dude, did anyone else see that blind kid playing video games on SportsCenter? That was crazy.
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It's just not the same without this name.
Faithful supporter of Squall Leonhart in SC2K5

It really shouldnt.

Indeed, but lets just say I don't want Alucard overperforming. I need evidence that will lead me to my conclusion of him jobbing to Sora next round <_<
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WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa
*Is now in need of a sig

Ulti's plan is at hand, right?

Alucard with 60.81% at the worst.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

60% for Alucard. I don't see him doing better then that, but he might surprise us. Kratos is a complete wildcard in strength.
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Kratos 16.67% 2
Alucard 83.33% 10
TOTAL VOTES 12
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Kratos vs. Alucard - Bracket: Alucard - Vote: Alucard (9/10)

Kratos 25% 7
Alucard 75% 21
TOTAL VOTES 28

Go alucard!
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76.81% for Zelda. Impressive.
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It's just not the same without this name.
Faithful supporter of Squall Leonhart in SC2K5

Kratos 27.68% 31
Alucard 72.32% 81
TOTAL VOTES 112

Zelda had 76.81% of the brackets on her side against Vivi.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

Zelda with 76.81% of the brackets. Amazing.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

76.81?
wow.
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Spring Contest 2k5 Score: 76/80 T-117th

Yay! Those of us with 8 points are the majority...
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"Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Lunar 2:EB
*Claims KG's Eclair & Millia Rage*

We lost 1000 perfects. And I was one of them. Blarg.
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Summer Contest 2005: 9/10
Today: Alucard, Tomorrow: Sora

Kratos 35.29% 6
Alucard 64.71% 11
TOTAL VOTES 17

76%, wow.
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vote for vivi.

And only 21 0 brackets remain!
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"Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Lunar 2:EB
*Claims KG's Eclair & Millia Rage*

76% got Zelda/Vivi right?! Damnit that match was supposed to destroy lots of brackets >_>
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Zelda with 76.81% DC wins this time
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The amount of Top 50 brackets with ridiculous winners is really making me smile right now.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

Alucard already at 60% and falling.
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Kratos vs. Alucard - Bracket: Alucard - Vote: Alucard (9/10)

We lost quite a few zeroes, too, I think.
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Makes you wonder how the leaderboard will look if Zelda beats Snake.

whoa, Kratos just made a nice 2% jump. 60/40 is pretty good for him.
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vote for vivi.

Okay, okay, I concede...bye bye to Alucard next round. ;_;

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Alucard is slipping under 60%. Hopefully he can start pulling ahead again. Kratos has the potential to make a good match out of this, but I doubt it.
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Phew.... 76.81%... That is not a small number... Great work, Zelda...

Now, heres hoping Alucard will stay well about 60%...
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Me too, yoblazer, me too. Lets just hope all those people with 10 points die soon, I don't want ANY perfect brackets by the end of this round.
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Why is Alucard doomed again?
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Heh, you can't help rooting for a guy with the name "1derchef." Too bad about his winner though. I'm assuming it's a favorites.
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People already losing faith in Alucard make me ****ING SICK.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

Okay, okay, I concede...bye bye to Alucard next round. ;_;

Why Kratos is new?
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17 handhelds Nintendo has taken down 1 more to go (see quote for rest)

There goes Alucard now, pushing himself up over 61%

And what does this have to do with Alu/Sora?
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Kratos vs. Alucard - Bracket: Alucard - Vote: Alucard (9/10)

4 Ganondorfs on the leaderboard? And only 5 Samus'?
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Summer Contest 2005: 9/10
Today: Alucard, Tomorrow: Sora

Holdin Kratos at 60-61 huh.....hmm.......if Kratos got him down to 57%, that would be good enough evidence to believe Sora would kick his ass hopefully...
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Alucard is strong with the night vote...I know we're still early in the poll, but he'll probably slip to something like 55% against Kratos by the end.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Seriously right now Kratos is floating around Kefka level which is almost exactly where I expected him to be.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Kratos will win the day vote LOLZ. >_>

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Alucard is strong with the night vote...I know we're still early in the poll, but he'll probably slip to something like 55% against Kratos by the end.

I don't think a character like Kratos can perform that well during the day, but we'll wait and see.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

Apparently the bracket makers are getting smarter...no upset yet.

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I think Kratos will do well with the morning/day vote. At least enough to chip a couple points off.
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Kratos vs. Alucard - Bracket: Alucard - Vote: Alucard (9/10)

And Alucard is gaining >_> damnit not lookin good for Sora/Alucard. Luckily the big votes aren't all in yet I suppose.
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Kratos's game was geared toward casuals. He'll gain with the day vote.
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The extra poll seems to be the same question.
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17 handhelds Nintendo has taken down 1 more to go (see quote for rest)

It's scary how much Alucard has been gaining...

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Oh. My. God.
Did the PS2's light just change color...?!

I'm actually surprised that Alucard managed to rebound and begin increasing his percentage. I truly did think that Kratos would do better than expected.

Oh well. My faith in Alucard > Sora hasn't changed in the least, and this only helps it out.

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Score-Brackets-% Right
9------3491-----70.2091091
8------8810-----76.1975028
7------8867-----77.2640126
6------6810-----80.1615272
5------3786-----80.4543053
4------1398-----78.6838340
3------342------69.0058480
2------85-------51.7647059
1------169------26.0355030
0------35-------40.0000000

Intersting match. The top performing groups were the ones in the middle rather than near the top.

20 people fell off the Top 50 today. Ph33rknight1337, The_DragonsFury, tttiiimmmmmmyyy, SecksThaNemesis, Death_by_Hamste, kenrmcha19, neocrono_x, numberonecubsfa, SuperMegamanX, Bababec, darksydex3226, RussianLawnGnom, YamiShuryou, psychobob42, Lord_Hugo, Xyless, rpgfan, iceman287, TheTenko and the one who had Vivi taking it all koinotenshi have fallen.
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Through 2k4 Alucard, Kratos is nearly equal to Hayabusa at 38%. I'd expect him to be a bit stronger then that, and I expect Alucard to fall before the end of the day, so it's all good.
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Summer Contest 2005: 9/10
Today: Alucard, Tomorrow: Sora

I jinxed it again >_<

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Oh. My. God.
Did the PS2's light just change color...?!

*Looks at Ulti's faith in Alucard over Sora*

Bah, Riku doing so well on Frog is enough evidence for me for now, but Alucard underperforming on Kratos would make my day too.
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The extra poll seems to be the same question.

Nope, yesterday was the Air Force. Today is the military.
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I still believe Sora > Alucard is going to happen. This is right around what I expected Alucard to do.
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Kratos vs. Alucard - Bracket: Alucard - Vote: Alucard (9/10)

I hope Sora gets like 75 or 80 on Agent 47, that'd make my day <_< and I think Alucard/Kratos might just have less correction percentage than Vivi/Zelda XD.
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I'm pretty much expecting at least 30% prediction for Kratos, so yeah, this'll make more miss than Vivi/Zelda did.
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Right now, Alucard's doin' just a lil' better than I expected...the match still has plenty of time to go though.
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Alucard had 45% on Ganon throughout the night, too. This is generally the main timeframe for cult characters. He'll finish below 60% before all's said and done.

Man, a match going according to expectations. How dull.
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I leave for Air Force basic training on Aug. 8th. I expect goodbyes from all of you.

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I'll make fennsiv say goodbye to you for me.

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Boy, I sure hope Alucard can manage to beat Sora next round... if he loses, then I'm mad at everyone saying Alu would win... I had Sora > Alucard for a long time, then changed it >_<
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You have no chance to survive make your time.

Kratos is doing nicely. He won't have much trouble being stronger then the ToS Kratos.
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Boy, I sure hope Alucard can manage to beat Sora next round... if he loses, then I'm mad at everyone saying Alu would win... I had Sora > Alucard for a long time, then changed it >_<

That's why you don't listen to the board, but then again I have Alucard > Sora and I do think it will happen.
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17 handhelds Nintendo has taken down 1 more to go (see quote for rest)

Kratos 40.01% 1209
Alucard 59.99% 1813
TOTAL VOTES 3022
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Kratos 40.01% 1209
Alucard 59.99% 1813
TOTAL VOTES 3022

Alucard has fallen under 60%.
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Alucard > Sora but more importantly Geno > Squall if i lose my perfect cause Geno loses i will be severly upset and probably cry for days.

Alucard had 45% on Ganon throughout the night, too.

Higher than that, even. More like 47%.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

but more importantly Geno > Squall if i lose my perfect cause Geno loses i will be severly upset and probably cry for days.

You better get yourself a box of Kleenex right now.

A big one.
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Kratos 40% 1262
Alucard 60% 1893
TOTAL VOTES 3155

woo.

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vote for vivi.

Alucard > Sora but more importantly Geno > Squall if i lose my perfect cause Geno loses i will be severly upset and probably cry for days.

Geno doesn't stand a chance.
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Dang, Dracula better be breaking 60% when I wake up tomorrow... goodnight, folks...
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Anybody find the distribution of the scores to be odd? There are more people with a score of "8" than a score of "7" or "9"...

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

so is alucard doing good so far or should he go for the doubling?
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From: Haste2 | Posted: 7/29/2005 12:30:13 AM | #166
Anybody find the distribution of the scores to be odd? There are more people with a score of "8" than a score of "7" or "9"...

The probability of bracket makers getting 8 matches correct is just the highest. It's not like most bracket makers would be perfect.

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Oh. My. God.
Did the PS2's light just change color...?!

The leaderboard is making me laugh... here's the breakdown of winners:

Mario - 22
Crono - 13
Samus - 5
Ganondorf - 4
Mega Man - 2
Sonic - 1
Dante - 1
CATS - 1
Lloyd Irving - 1

The villain contest appears to have had a pretty big effect on the casual bracketmakers.
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SpC2K5 First Vote Champion
Current Score: 9/10 | Today: Alucard over Kratos

Kratos 39.33% 1573
Alucard 60.68% 2427
TOTAL VOTES 4000
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so is alucard looking good for taking on sora?
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Hard to tell, but even if he does, Riku made Sora look good too. I think it's still about the same as it was when the bracket was released.
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Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

This is generally the main timeframe for cult characters.

You're a little out of your mind if you think that a Castlevania character is cult. Niche =/= cult.

~*ST*~
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"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

I'm goin' to bed now...as I go to bed though, I'll ask: Kratos or Viewtiful Joe?
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Castlevania is cult relative to other series here on the site. Regardless, this is Alucard's strongest timeframe. There's really no denying that.
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I'd take Kratos over Joe. The Viewtiful One would be expected to get less than 37% on Alucard.
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Hmm, I would've thought Kratos would be over 40% by now but he's not.

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I'm still holding out for a huge day vote from Kratos. Aren't Alucard and CATS similar in the way they always jump out ahead in the beginning hours of the poll? Are you guys telling me that Kratos really has NO chance of winning?

For my bracket's sake, I hope you're wrong.
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"Timshel...Thou Mayest" - East of Eden.

Alucard has this. Kratos won't be able to get enough of a day vote to make a difference.
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From: LeonhartForever | Posted: 7/29/2005 3:44:54 AM | Message Detail | #175
Castlevania is cult relative to other series here on the site.

Didn't we all have a giant argument when Phediuk tried saying that Metroid was cult? I say again, niche =/= cult. Besides, every series is cult if you compare them to Final Fantasy, Mario, or Zelda around here. Doesn't mean that they are.

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"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

oraclechallenge.com and sc2k5.com due to my hard drive being upgraded to a SCSI. Sorry for any inconvenience.

At least it's a good thing this happened during a relatively unimportant match though.



From: Kaxon | Posted: 7/29/2005 3:38:22 AM | Message Detail | #169
The villain contest appears to have had a pretty big effect on the casual bracketmakers.

It's like any other competition in life. The "finalists" always get overrated, because they are the ones that get the most "media coverage", since by the time the championship round occurs there are less entrants to focus attention between.
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From: AKsellout | Posted: 7/29/2005 3:52:34 AM | Message Detail | #178
I'm still holding out for a huge day vote from Kratos. Aren't Alucard and CATS similar in the way they always jump out ahead in the beginning hours of the poll? Are you guys telling me that Kratos really has NO chance of winning?

Alucard is nothing like CATS. In his first update against Kirby, he was ahead 59-55 and just rolled along from there.

~*ST*~
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"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

You're completely missing the point of what I'm trying to say anyway. Castlevania's niche, cult, whatever. I don't really care about the official "labels." This is Alucard's best time as far as getting the vote is concerned, and that's partially because of the status of his series.
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>_>

Le sorry. Shows I need sleep.

~*ST*~
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"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

but... I am le tired. =P
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Spring Contest 2k5 Score: 76/80 T-117th

*sighs*

Le francais faux. Reminds me too much of Harle, and that's never a good thing.
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I still wouldn't be too surprised if Alucard managed to finish this match at or above 60%.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

well judging by alucard's current lead there is no way kratos can win this at this rate
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Why is Alucard doomed again?

I'm not sure either. There's no data on Kratos to begin with. Just because one can compare him to Hayabusa last year doesn't mean he'll be thatweak.

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hey how are vote totals comparing to previous matches?
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

1:45
Kratos vs Alucard - 7557
Lloyd vs Wesker - 7358
Ganondorf vs Yuna - 8335

That's the best I can do right now with sc2k5.com down at the moment.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

Alucard is in fine shape.
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"Love forever, love is free. Let’s turn forever you and me." - Gorillaz "Feel Good INC"

Still hasn't fell below 60%. Alucard is being pretty consistent so far.

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As I said, Alucard is in fine shape.
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I hope Alucard ends this match with 62% which would make Kratos look like Ryu Hayabusa. I know I would predict Ryu Hayabusa over Kratos, but Kratos is a Playstation 2 game so he could be stronger than Ryu Hayabusa.

Now I really hope Agent 47 gets 27% on Sora, even if I guess that's almost impossible.

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My biggest predictions: Mario over Samus, Alucard over Sora, Magus over Dante.

if kingdom hearts 2 had come out say a week before nominations period would you have taken sora over alucard in a heartbeat?
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

if kingdom hearts 2 had come out say a week before nominations period would you have taken sora over alucard in a heartbeat?

I would

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"Life...Dreams...Hope...Where'd they come from? And where are they headed...? These things...I'm going to destroy!!" -Kefka

by the way which looks better
KH sora or KH2 sora with the black outfit
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

KH2 easily

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"Life...Dreams...Hope...Where'd they come from? And where are they headed...? These things...I'm going to destroy!!" -Kefka

It's not that I want Sora to beat Alucard, but I wish CjayC used this picture for Sora when he faces Alucard.

http://c-uncut.com/media/kh-02.jpg

Now that would be awesome.
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My biggest predictions: Mario over Samus, Alucard over Sora, Magus over Dante.

Nah, KH2 Sora > Halloween Town Sora.

http://kh2.co.uk/assets/images/clothes.jpg

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4:35
Kratos vs. Alucard - 14267
Ganondorf vs. Yuna - 16302
Vivi vs. Zelda - 15697

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"Life...Dreams...Hope...Where'd they come from? And where are they headed...? These things...I'm going to destroy!!" -Kefka

whoa, i can't get over Zelda's prediction percentage: 76.81?! dang. that's as many people as those who picked Auron over Big Boss. yeesh.

and as far as both today and tomorrow's matches go, nothing about either of these matches could affect my view of Alucard vs. Sora. they are both facing new, untested characters, so we have absolutely nothing to base them except our own expectations, which haven't exactly been right on this contest.

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who thinks there should be more square villains in the kh i mean fighting disney guys is cool but imagine fighting kefka or trance kuja.
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

I would like more Square Villains in KH.. The fight with Sephiroth in KH was freaking awesome although I get my ass handed to him every time (I was at a very low level when I beat the game)

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"Life...Dreams...Hope...Where'd they come from? And where are they headed...? These things...I'm going to destroy!!" -Kefka

Alucard has held on to that 60% for almost 5 hours straight, day vote is coming up.

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A E OUTBACK OWNS ME

Kratos 39.43% 5786
Alucard 60.57% 8888
TOTAL VOTES 14674

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"Life...Dreams...Hope...Where'd they come from? And where are they headed...? These things...I'm going to destroy!!" -Kefka

Does anyone still think Kefka will lose to Tommy Vercetti?

Tommy Vercetti is almost the same as DK, who is the same as Aya Brea. DK also lost with 56% to Vivi who was slaughtered by Zelda with 60%.

Then Tommy has probably weakened over the last year because no new game with Tommy was coming out, and as we saw earlyer in this contest CJ was beaten by Ness. Kefka is a pretty strong personage, from a pretty strong FF game. And if Kefka doesn't get a lettuce picture I think he has the advantage in this match.
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heh lucky i'm part japanese i can just about read all the things in the kh2 pics on gamespot. not relevent or anything but better than just staring at words you can't understand
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

heh kh had some big names in there haley joel osment,sean astin and james wood. all famous in there own rights
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

Well if you go by stats, Ness >= Kefka and Vercetti is definitely more popular than CJ.


No matter who wins it won't be a decisive victory.
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So I said "Supercollide her? I just met her!"

whoa, i can't get over Zelda's prediction percentage: 76.81?! dang. that's as many people as those who picked Auron over Big Boss. yeesh.

Considering Zelda was supposed to win this one and Dk had 65% of the brackets backing him when he was supposed to lose, I'm actually surprised it only jumped up to 77%...
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And Alucard shows up why he's the absolute worst ever with the day vote. Damn, is Kratos going to look strong in the end.

Considering Zelda was supposed to win this one and Dk had 65% of the brackets backing him when he was supposed to lose, I'm actually surprised it only jumped up to 77%...

Except it really was a very tough match to call... it's just that casuals never learn from their mistakes and keep on under/overestimating the same characters over and over.
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SC2K5 status - Points: 009/010 - Matches: 09/10 - Rank: 02452/33793 - Today: Alucard - Tomorrow: Sora

I wonder who would win between Zelda and Bowser.
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Summer 2005 Contest -- Current Score: 9/10
Today's Prediction -- Kratos vs. Alucard

It's kind of like Tidus Vs. Shadow. A near 50-50 match that Tidus probably wouldn't even have won if it wasn't for a good 70% of the brackets backing him.
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So I said "Supercollide her? I just met her!"

Are you trying to compare a 50.8-40.2 to a 60-40 match?

Bracket voting has a big effect in one, not so much in the other.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Who cares? Bracket voting isn't even the issue. The point is that the number of correct picks is not in ratio to the actual difficulty of the match.
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So I said "Supercollide her? I just met her!"

Ohhh... I thought you were trying to say Vivi lost because of bracket voting.

Carry on then.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

*tag*
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VOTE: BOWSER

Here is a question. Who at this point in the contest would have said the the two closest matches would be Riku/Frog and Lloyd/Wesker over Zelda/Vivi and CJ/Ness.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Definitely not me.
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SC2K5 status - Points: 008/009 - Matches: 08/09 - Rank: 03492/33793 - Today: Zelda - Tomorrow: Alucard

Woke up to see Kratos over 40%. Not bad. I hope he can add another % or two over the day, but we shall see. The better character may not win, but a pretty admirable showing seems likely.

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Personally, I might have given you Zelda/Vivi and Riku/Frog. I thought Riku/Frog would be closer than people thought and I thought CJ would knock Ness's teeth out. But Lloyd/Wesker surprised me along with everyone else.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

I'm shocked by Riku/Frog and Ness/CJ, because I expected a Frog blowout and I expected CJ to do to Ness what Ness did to CJ (much like everyone else did, I suppose). But I'm not really surprised by Lloyd/Wesker or Vivi/Zelda. Lloyd/Wesker shocked a lot of people but as I'm not really knowledgeable about either character and I don't trust VC results in the slightest, I didn't expect much more from him. Vivi always had the potential to be close to Zelda, but it was really a 50/50 shot whether he would be or not, so it wasn't really out of nowhere.
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Wow, Kratos is almost as strong as Luigi and KOS-MOS according to this, and he can easily reach them before the end.

By the way, I always thought Luigi/KOS-MOS was projected to be close, but I had no idea just how close. 49.23% for KOS-MOS... and that's before XS2 to boot. Damn, this was one brilliant trap match CJayC set up. Which casual in their right mind wouldn't go with Luigi?
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And the answer to that question is most every "casual" on this board would.
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If KOS-MOS we're actually a great deal ahead of Luigi in the stats it might be a good trap match, but that's the kind of match I look at and know right of the bat that despite how close the two are in the stats the chances are people are going to see it and vote for Luigi.

I doubt it's going to be any kind of barn-burner.
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I don't see why Kratos being strong is really all that surprising. I still like the Dante analogy. Both stereotypically "cool" heroes from critically acclaimed, reasonably well-selling and recent PS2 action-adventures.
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I'm chuffed with things at the moment.9/10 points, just the one point lost to Ness.Things are looking pretty good at the moment.

Only 2 first round matches that I am worried about are Kefka VS Vercetti(I have Kefka), and Kerrigan VS Vincent(I have Kerrigan).
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Kratos is still gaining percentage by mad. Alucard's still increasing his lead, but those increases are slowing down.
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Ouch; Kratos is takin' the day-vote with authority right now.

For kicks, though I'd hate to see him lose, I'd like to see an Alucard/Knuckles match, just to see the massive swing with the day-vote.
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Dayum, Kratos is sucking up the morning vote like a vacuum. He'll probably make it to 43% before he's done, then Alucard might be able to bring himself back to 58-59% later.
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Kratos vs. Alucard - Bracket: Alucard - Vote: Alucard (9/10)

Holy ****, Kratos just gained .1% in less than five minutes.
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I don't see why Kratos being strong is really all that surprising. I still like the Dante analogy. Both stereotypically "cool" heroes from critically acclaimed, reasonably well-selling and recent PS2 action-adventures.

Because Dante seemed like an exception. It seems pretty difficult for most characters like that to break into the upper 32. Which makes sense.... People might like a character like that, but it doesn't necessarily mean that they will automatically get put above other perennial favorites (Luigi, Tails, Knux, etc..) Probably a reason why we have the Luigi Midcarder Line. You really have to be somebody to be as popular as that.

But back to being stereotypically cool having a big effect on popularity... This is looking good for Vincent. *BLATANT PLUG*
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Kratos 41% 10803
Alucard 59% 15548
TOTAL VOTES 26351
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Well, it's no surprise. Alucard is monkey feces when it comes to the day vote.
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Exactly Slowflake. Daylight is one of a vampires weakness after all.

Yeah, most of us saw it coming, yet it's still kind of strange to watch.
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Kratos vs. Alucard - Bracket: Alucard - Vote: Alucard (9/10)

Because Dante seemed like an exception. It seems pretty difficult for most characters like that to break into the upper 32.

Sure, but I can't really think of anyone who's as close to Dante in general terms as Kratos is, so if anyone's going to be another such exception, I'd expect it to be him.
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Did I make a mistake by having Magus winning the Devil Division?

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Exactly Slowflake. Daylight is one of a vampires weakness after all.

Alucard doesn't have that weakness like his father. =p

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Did I make a mistake by having Magus winning the Devil Division?

No, he's the clear favorite. Squall and to a lesser degree Vincent are also possibilities, however.
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Even if he doesn't have that weakness, just look at that skin. He's whiter than Casper's ass and he obviously doesn't wanna get burnt; of course he'll be missin' out on the day-vote.
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Wow. Kratos is absolutely raping Alucard with the day-vote. Maybe Kratos is a beast with the day-vote afterall..
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I am still quite enraged that I have now lost 2 points...makes me look like a damn noobie..and that I cannot allow...

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Alucard's still gaining votes. Hell, his lead just passed 5000.
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Oh, and if you want to see how back it is

Alucard won the 8:00 update 247-208 (54.28%)
Alucard won the 8:05 update 254-238 (51.62%)
Alucard won the 8:10 update 297-245 (54.79%)

Alucard better take that early lead against Sora, because if it's close by time the morning vote, that match will be decided early.
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Kratos vs. Alucard - Bracket: Alucard - Vote: Alucard (9/10)

Is it just me or is this match closer than it looked like it was going to be?
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I expected Kratos to flop. Shows what I know.
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Kratos 42.03% 14257
Alucard 57.97% 19660
TOTAL VOTES 33917

Kratos cracked 42%, and I'm doubtin' he'll go below it again.
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so will sora/agent47 a.k.a neo tanner a.k.a vin diesel be a 80% blowout?
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Probably not, though I wouldn't object if it did.

I've gotta go to work now...would anybody take Kratos over Tails?
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People are overestimating Sora. This is the same guy that couldn't double HK-47 last year, and no people are expecting 80%? You're asking for too much.
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I have a hard time seeing certain characters break 80%. Sora is one of those people (as is Tidus, BTW).
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Kratos vs. Alucard - Bracket: Alucard - Vote: Alucard (9/10)

I'd take Kratos over alot of people, just not Alucard. And with KH:COM, I think that Sora's strength has increased, compared to last year, where it had been a year and a half since his last game. Sora is going to do better than alot better than people think he will.
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That's a pretty lofty statement, especially when "a lot" of people think he can break 80% tomorrow and are practically calling his match with Alucard already.
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Kratos just won a five minute update. A small moral victory for GoW fans I suppose.
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Poor Alucard. His hopes are diminishing against Sora. :-)
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Also, why do people think Alucard could beat Sora? Do you really think he could get almost 62% on Ryu H.?

I mean, he's about to fall under 57% against Kratos. So, you think Kratos > Ryu H. now?
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Kratos at 43% on Alucard in the All-time Stats

32 Tommy Vercetti 25.49
33 Donkey Kong 25.34
34 Luigi 25.24
35 Jill Valentine 25.14
Kratos 25.02
36 Morrigan Aensland 24.87
37 Aya Brea 24.80
38 Diablo 24.69

In the 2004 Adjusted stats that puts him right below Tommy Vercetti. Impressive for the God of War.

And one more thing...

At 10:05, this match has 41,286 votes.

Vivi/Zelda - 46,269
Ness/CJ - 43,745

So the match should fall a couple thousand short of 100K.
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Kratos vs. Alucard - Bracket: Alucard - Vote: Alucard (9/10)

From: Slowflake | Posted: 7/29/2005 10:05:03 AM | Message Detail | #225
Wow, Kratos is almost as strong as Luigi and KOS-MOS according to this, and he can easily reach them before the end.

Ditto. I don't understand why Kratos is being compared to Ryu H. Kratos is from an insanely respected action game geared to casuals on the Playstation 2. Ryu H is in the same situation, but he's Xbox. Kratos doing well doesn't surprise me, because I expected it *points to analysis crew writeup*

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So...who do you expect to do better, Kratos, or Kratos Aurion?
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From: swirldude | Posted: 7/29/2005 10:19:19 AM | Message Detail
So...who do you expect to do better, Kratos, or Kratos Aurion?

After Lloyd's bombing, GoW Kratos should do much better. Kratos Aurion should be below the VFL.
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Current Match Prediction: Kratos (God of War) vs. Alucard

Kratos..

Hell, I would take Kratos over Donkey Kong.
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Kratos 43% 18550
Alucard 57% 24586
TOTAL VOTES 43136

Sora shall win. All you hypers, sit down. :-)
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Do you think we'll see Kratos again next contest?
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 7/29/2005 4:59:04 PM | #252
I've gotta go to work now...would anybody take Kratos over Tails?

Yes. I think Kratos would win, plus I'd take Kratos on principle.
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Oh yeah, Alucard's lead is over 6000 now.
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Nah.

He's new, popular and mainstream. What would have been his support will go to other such characters. Especially since all the new consoles will be coming out (XBox 360 already being out for some time), there will be plenty of new characters.

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Did the PS2's light just change color...?!

So, you think Kratos > Ryu H. now?

Explain to me what is so hard to believe about that.

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If Kratos gets another game in the next year or two, he'll become the new Dante. He's already looking better than Dante did after his first game, which doesn't really surprise me. And speaking of Hayabusa, Kratos is currently less than a percent above Ninja Hayabusa through 20XXDF Zero.
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I think that sounds about right -- becoming a new "Dante." God of War was so well-done that Kojima wanted the team who worked on the game to do the next Castlevania. There's certainly no doubt about the quality in GoW. It helps that it is among the Top 10 highest selling games of the year so far -- which is over RE4 at 500,000+.

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How is it so surprising that Kratos is above Ryu H?

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Speaking of Dante... How far do you have him going?
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How is it so surprising that Kratos is above Ryu H?

No idea. I think there's more going for Kratos than there was for Hayabusa, personally. If anything, one should have thought Kratos would be stronger due to being on the PS2 as opposed to the Xbox. I only say this because they come from comparable games, although one is far more popular.

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How far do you have him going?

Round 2 and losing to Vincent.

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No idea. I think there's more going for Kratos than there was for Hayabusa, personally. If anything, one should have thought Kratos would be stronger due to being on the PS2 as opposed to the Xbox. I only say this because they come from comparable games, although one is far more popular.

I made that exact same statement a few posts back.

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Explain to me what is so hard to believe about that.

I think what I meant is "Kratos > Ryu H. that much". I don't see Alucard doing that strong enough against Ryu H.
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From: yoshifan823 | Posted: 7/29/2005 10:45:09 AM | Message Detail
Speaking of Dante... How far do you have him going?

Beating Terra and Vincent, losing in Round 3 to Magus.
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Current Match Prediction: Kratos (God of War) vs. Alucard

Well, it's not as if Ryu's only on the Xbox, and Kratos is very new. On first instinct I can see someone taking Ryu over Kratos.

Dante loses to Vincent.
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Dante loses to Terra.
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Summer Contest 2005: 9/10
Today: Alucard, Tomorrow: Sora

I just realized that neither of my brackets have Dante losing to Vincent. Even though that's what I think will happen.
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Dante loses to Squall.
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And, as far as newness goes, Tidus, Auron, Yuna, Dante, Master Chief, Vercetti, and Ninja Hayabusa are ranked similar or better than Kratos through 2k4 Alucard.
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Today: Alucard, Tomorrow: Sora

I think what I meant is "Kratos > Ryu H. that much". I don't see Alucard doing that strong enough against Ryu H.

I could certainly see Kratos beating down Hayabusa by more than a percentage point or two. He's got more popularity than people are actually willing to give credit.

I know this isn't exactly "evidence" toward what I said, but it might be something worth considering. I'm sure you all know of G-Phoria? Well, the person who won the "Favorite Character" category was actually Kratos (God of War). Just something to consider. These are fan voted too.

But Alucard beating Hayabusa by more than he is beating Kratos is certainly something I could see. Hell, I could see him doing better against Hayabusa than Sora did last year.

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Why is it so hard to see Sora getting 80%?
Agent 47 will be weaker than HK-47...
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Well, it's not as if Ryu's only on the Xbox, and Kratos is very new. On first instinct I can see someone taking Ryu over Kratos.

Yes, I know he's got previous games and that Ninja Gaiden isn't a new franchise. But, I do believe he pulls most of his popularity from that new game. It being on the Xbox certainly doesn't help considering that it's the least owned console at GameFAQs. I can understand why someone might have thought Hayabusa would be stronger, but these results shouldn't throw someone for loop. It should make sense now how and why Kratos is stronger.

Should they continue doing something with God of War, I could see him becoming pretty damn strong.

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Hey, I won't argue with you there. I was one of the first to bring up the Dante comparison, and I still believe it's valid.
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From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 7/29/2005 10:52:53 AM | Message Detail
Why is it so hard to see Sora getting 80%?
Agent 47 will be weaker than HK-47...

...Sora didn't even double HK-47.
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Current Match Prediction: Kratos (God of War) vs. Alucard

It being on the Xbox certainly doesn't help considering that it's the least owned console at GameFAQs.

No no no. That's N-Gage. Even if people bought, they had to either throw them away or this: http://img282.echo.cx/img282/476/3148b1fh.jpg :-)</useless humor>

Either way, since KH is mainsteam, and SOTN is cult, Sora should have the match.
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the question is...do you think Sora would get more than 42% against Ganon?
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Yeah. He got 35% on Samus. He could pull a 42% on Ganon.
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That's N-Gage

The N-Gage is a portable system; it's not a console. ;)

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Kratos is doing very well right now, it's always great to see a new character with some strength attached to him (as opposed to some RPG cult character that gets killed immediately, wasting a spot).
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That's N-Gage

The N-Gage is a portable system; it's not a console. ;)

That's an insult to all portable systems.

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I really dont understand why people think Agent 47 will be so weak. His games sell well and he actually HAS a personality.
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Well, people shouldn't expect too much out of Agent 47. Sora should still break 70% with ease and come close to a tripling, I think.

A quadrupling would put Agent 47 at 11.84% on Link, below JC Denton. I expect him to be above him, at least. A tripling puts 47 at 14.81% on Link, right above Gordon Freeman. If Sora breaks 70% tomorrow, that puts him at 17.77% on Link, right below Conker. That's about as high as I see him going.

Of course, this is all assuming Sora hasn't increased since last year.
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Damn, in the 56s now. Going into the contest I expected ToS Kratos to have some reasonable power (not even as much as GoW Kratos is doing today at that) and GoW Kratos to be a complete fruitcake. From the looks of it, it's going to go backwards.
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Kratos comes from a mainstream game geared toward the casual audience that sold relatively well. No one should've expected him to flop, and Alucard's not strong enough to blow him out of the water.
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But to be stronger than any character to ever come out of GTA?
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Yeah, GTA as a series is popular. Its characters...Not so much. We've seen that much already.
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I think Tommy's shirt would be stronger than Tommy, myself. That shirt is kickass taken to a new level.
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This is just about exactly where I expected Kratos to fall. I had the prediction Alucard with 57%. And I think Hayabusa could possibly break 57% on Sora with the correct picture. I think the picture really does make a huge difference on his part. Some casual Ninja Gaiden fans that I know don't immediately recognize the name Ryu Hayabusa, and given that odd pic I could imagine people thinking it's a different guy.

Plus he looked like a freaking dork in DoA.
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And Kratos has won his second five minute update.
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Kratos is just kickin' ass with the light vote. I love it. Can he get to 45% before Alucard regains the night? I sure hope so.

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If KOS-MOS we're actually a great deal ahead of Luigi in the stats it might be a good trap match, but that's the kind of match I look at and know right of the bat that despite how close the two are in the stats the chances are people are going to see it and vote for Luigi.

The only kind of "seeing it" and voting scheme that coems to mind is TJF, which clearly favors KOS-MOS.
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The brackets will favor Luigi by a long shot, I would imagine. In a match projected to be this close, that might be all he needs.

And if KOS-MOS gets a Xenosaga II picture, that might hurt her.
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It doesn't matter what you thought of it or how bad it actually was, the N-Gage is a portable system. It's a unit that is portable.

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The brackets will favor Luigi by a long shot, I would imagine. In a match projected to be this close, that might be all he needs.

And if KOS-MOS gets a Xenosaga II picture, that might hurt her.

I don't disagree. It will be clsoer than most expect though. However, my point was jsut that the quoted line of argument didn't make sense to me.


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Spring Contest 2k5 Score: 76/80 T-117th

At the 12:35 mark, this match has 55,168 votes.

Ness/CJ - 59,482
Zero/Hayabusa - 54,128
Riku/Frog - 52,937
Snake/Manny - 55,819


Riku/Frog was more loaded toward the end than other matches, for whatever the reason. It actually has more votes than Zero/Hayabusa and Snake/Manny by quite a bit.
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Just to drop a number before leaving for work: if Zelda takes down Snake, this'll be the biggest BOP upset ever (4/152, vs. 3/102 for Starcraft in the Elite 8).
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Dang it! Alucard is still falling in %.... -_-
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Kratos ought to be hitting 44% pretty soon. Impressive, I must say. 'Tis a shame he got stuck with the strongest 6 seed in the contest. He could've won any other 3/6 except against Yuna, Knuckles, and MAYBE Chun-Li.
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so kratos is doing reasonably well at the moment now heh.
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So, you think Kratos would beat Vercetti? I hope you're right. :(

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Kratos 43.87% 26324
Alucard 56.13% 33676
TOTAL VOTES 60000

Kratos would beat Kefka, too, you know.
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We're starting to get into the "It's hard to believe that" area with Kratos, here. I'm wondering if Alucard was stronger than he should have been in the 2k4 stats. But God of War is a very popular game, so I'm not going to jump to conclusions just yet.

Still, if Sora gets over 75% tomorrow, things start to look very bad for Alucard.
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I actually don't expect Luigi vs. KOS-MOS to be all that close. I think that KOS-MOS is no longer the "it" VG girl she was for a little while, and Xenosaga II might've hurt her rather than help her.

Luigi won't blow her out, but he should win comfortably.

Though after he does, I don't want to hear anything about a Luigi>Tifa bandwagon just because he overperformed on KOS-MOS ;)
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We're starting to get into the "It's hard to believe that" area with Kratos, here. I'm wondering if Alucard was stronger than he should have been in the 2k4 stats. But God of War is a very popular game, so I'm not going to jump to conclusions just yet.

If anything, Alucard is probably underrated in the stats, and Zelda's performance pretty much proves that all the Zelda characters have gained since 2K3.
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Though after he does, I don't want to hear anything about a Luigi>Tifa bandwagon just because he overperformed on KOS-MOS ;)

Don't be silly, who would seriously join a bandwagon that I was one of the original supporters of?
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I agree with everything creative just said.

Xenosaga's second installment hardly made the series more popular. If anything, it made it more old hat, in a way.

Shame. It wasn't TERRIBLE. All I know is that if something actually important doesn't happen in Xenosaga III, I throw things.
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so what are the odds of pac-man upsetting ocelot. for some odd reason i'm losing faith in ocelot because he is not as strong as kefka yet pac-man drove the maniac to the edge
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Actually, if Kratos gets 44% on Alucard, he'll fall in between Knuckles and Vercetti. I can buy that.
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If anything, Alucard is probably underrated in the stats, and Zelda's performance pretty much proves that all the Zelda characters have gained since 2K3.

One thing that I'm interested in due to this contest, though, that may bring a reason for Alucard to have been overestimated...

What if the Magus/Tidus/Ganondorf trio had their strengths inflated in 2003 for some reason (most probably, Magus having a ridiculously good day against Link)?
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My oracle prediction is lookin pretty hawt. 56.25%

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From: Sir Bormun | Posted: 7/29/2005 4:40:57 PM | Message Detail | #319
We're starting to get into the "It's hard to believe that" area with Kratos, here.

Um, what...?

What's up with these overreactions to Kratos' performance?

The Oracle consensus was Alucard with about 60.8%. Kratos is doing 5 points better, which is very good. However it's nothing that puts Kratos on a whole different level than he was pegged to be. A good bit higher, yes; and he is being impressive. But this is hardly something that deviates a great deal from expectations.

Also, I thought that most people agreed that GoW Kratos>Kratos Aurion before the contest. That's certainly what I believed and I recall others saying this as well. All of a sudden, that which was expected becomes surprising? Very confusing.
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so what are the odds of pac-man upsetting ocelot.

That's an interesting question.

As far as stats go, there are a few that point to Pac-Man having a chance. But Pac-Man has just been so lackluster in every single past contest (except perhaps 2k3) that it's hard to really see him winning that matchup.
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Basing Alucard on his 2003 value, Kratos would now fall at 24.25% on Link, right below KOS-MOS. Take that for what you will.
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The Oracle consensus was Alucard with about 60.8%. Kratos is doing 5 points better, which is very good. However it's nothing that puts Kratos on a whole different level than he was pegged to be. A good bit higher, yes; and he is being impressive. But this is hardly something that deviates a great deal from expectations.

I don't know. Being at the level of Knuckles seems higher than I'd think is possible for a character that just had his first game this year, and a game that was barely even attractive to GameFAQs's main demographic.

I just find it hard to believe that Kratos is that much stronger than Hayabusa, with the similarities between their games, their character types, and the relative hype they both seemed to have in 2k4/2k5.
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Basing Alucard on his 2003 value, Kratos would now fall at 24.25% on Link, right below KOS-MOS. Take that for what you will.

It makes sense. Kratos was not predicted to be at Luigi's level like many other newcomers, so Kratos goes and performs at Luigi's level.
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What if the Magus/Tidus/Ganondorf trio had their strengths inflated in 2003 for some reason (most probably, Magus having a ridiculously good day against Link)?

You're not the first person to bring that up. Magus is pretty strong by default for being ABLE to get 34% on Link, but there's still a lot we don't know about that particular match. Tidus shows that all THREE could have been overrated. Ganondorf being strong in the Spring shows that Magus strength could be legit. This contest is showing that Zelda characters may have increased, so Magus may have beaten a weaker Ganondorf. Hell, if you want to take EVERYTHING into account, Magus COULD have benefitted from the 8-bit Link picture (I HIGHLY doubt it, but hey... Jill dropped a bit from 2k2 to 2k3. Anything's possible).

At least Magus's match against Knuckles would be some good data for him.
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I don't know. Being at the level of Knuckles seems higher than I'd think is possible for a character that just had his first game this year, and a game that was barely even attractive to GameFAQs's main demographic.

Ninja Gaiden and DMC aren't all that attractive to the main game player type here either.

I just find it hard to believe that Kratos is that much stronger than Hayabusa

Given that I think he was hurt by his pic last year, I don't think Kratos is that much above Hayabusa.

The only thing surprising about Kratos>=Hayabusa is that Ryu has the NES days. But it looks like that doesn't give him so much of a boost.

God of War was a really hyped up game, and marketed heavily. Kratos' face was everywhere in those commercials. And his character was basically designed to be as badass as possible.

And this is of course not after-the-fact rationalizations, as all these things were stated before. And why it would be thought that GoW Kratos>Kratos Aurion.
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We're starting to get into the "It's hard to believe that" area with Kratos, here.

I can definitely see Kratos falling into the place the stats are calling for him. God of War is by no means a game that is going to go by unnoticed. It's very popular, sold very well, and is even looking to have a movie based upon it already. I do believe that Kratos could very well become a major threat to a number of characters if we see him appear in another game within the next year or so.

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We have to wait and see. Nothing means anything until round 2 at the soonest.
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I don't know. Being at the level of Knuckles seems higher than I'd think is possible for a character that just had his first game this year, and a game that was barely even attractive to GameFAQs's main demographic.

I agree. And Ninja Gaiden was an older series that would have appealed to the older gamers here, and DMC,I know nothing about, except that it's first game was really good, no? Personally, I think this is more bad for Alucard than good for Kratos.

This coming from the person who set the spread at Alucard 65% >_<

followed by a way too high sora one...

But still, I wouldn't feel at all justified if I had Alucard winning his match next round. Although, we make too many assumptions off of new characters, anyway.
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Great, this regrets my Alucard over Sora pick. Why did I have to change?
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I agree. And Ninja Gaiden was an older series that would have appealed to the older gamers here, and DMC,I know nothing about, except that it's first game was really good, no? Personally, I think this is more bad for Alucard than good for Kratos.

DMC and GoW are very comparable games, as is the new Ninja Gaiden. It isn't as though Kratos is pulling above Dante with this performance or anything. Him being high up above fodder makes complete sense. He's got an incredibly badass design, an equally as good character, comes from a very popular game that has sold well. I don't think this speaks anything bad about Alucard as much as it speaks good for Kratos.

Honestly, no one should have expected him to be pure fodder. At the least, some should have expected him to equal Hayabusa.

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I've always disagreed with his 2K4 ranking and go by 2K3. So Kratos is still being beaten by Vercetti and Knuckles and the like. Nothing here that surprises me.
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So I said "Supercollide her? I just met her!"

No, he's actually ahead of Vercetti right now. Well, that is if you base it on adjusted Alucard.
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I don't know, it just doesn't feel right. In the end though, as long as Alucard wins this round, it doesn't really matter how much by.

What does anyone know about the Hitman series? I made a high Sora spread b/c I thought people are expecting 47 to be incredibly weak, but what's his background and stuff? I don't know anything about him.
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Yeah, I actually saw the Alucard/Kratos spread and felt compelled to bet solely on that match-up. That and Ness/CJ have been the only two that screamed 'wow, free money.'

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As I said yesterday, it's easier to accept weakness than strength. If Alucard had scored 60+% today, nobody would've said anything. Either that Kratos was where we thought or that he was a bit weaker, and we'd have no problem with it.

If Agent 47 "impresses" tomorrow and avoids the tripling, people will be blaming it on Sora looking "weak" instead of 47 being stronger than expected.

*adds Kratos to the growing list of impressive losers*
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Round 1: (7) Geno

I don't know why everyone thinks 47 is going to be so weak. We all know he's going to lose but I don't think it will be close to tripling.

In the games he's actually really cool, a lot more likable than JC Denton or Max Payne. His games are even a whole different genre. You pretty much have to use stealth. Some of the ways he performs his hits are just so damn cool. Whereas in Max Payne you can just rely on bullet time and in Deus Ex you can blow up everything in sight.

Besides he just looks plain cool in his suit with his power tie. I'd say the only downside to him is that Vin Diesel is going to play him.

: x
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I'd say the only downside to him is that Vin Diesel is going to play him.

You dare insult Vin Diesel? Blasphemy?

I don't know, though. Even though everyone's going on about how Agent 47 won't be as bad as Tanner, I see no reason for him to be better than last year's example of "low-profile characters from shooter games". They were, well, JC Denton and Tanner.
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Kratos 44% 28514
Alucard 56% 36296
TOTAL VOTES 64810
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Round 1: (7) Geno

At least Magus's match against Knuckles would be some good data for him.

Agreed. Strange that even though he's been two past contests, this is the first time we'll know where he stands.
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Agreed. Strange that even though he's been two past contests, this is the first time we'll know where he stands.

If Magus wins his division, he'll get SFF'd into oblivion by Crono.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 9/11 points
Current Match Prediction: Sora vs. Agent 47

Ironically, Kratos over Alucard turned out to be a more reasonable upset than Vivi over Zelda.
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Well, Knuckles has proven to be about as constant as they come, so we can use his number. I'm not expecting any SFF against Squall, so there's his number, too. If Dante gets by Vincent, that gives his three numbers with which to estimate Magus.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Kratos 44% 28601
Alucard 56% 36399
TOTAL VOTES 65000

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If Magus wins his division, he'll get SFF'd into oblivion by Crono.

...Again...
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Knuckles better be the model of consistency... he's freakin' lost to the same character three years running!

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Well, Knuckles has proven to be about as constant as they come, so we can use his number.

Not without the 20XX-factor adjustment...

See? This PROVES Mega Man underperformed against Link. *runz*

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Knuckles better be the model of consistency... he's freakin' lost to the same character three years running!

With three different results. It's got nothing to do with facing Snake.
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Round 1: (7) Geno

*adds Kratos to the growing list of impressive losers*

Damn straight! =p

The only thing that sucks about this is that Kratos could have been matched against someone he would have won against and very few would have taken him...

There's always next year, I guess.


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Well, Riku, Ness, Kratos and specially Zelda are al lin my Impressive List so far. Despite having had Vivi in my bracket I'm glad Zelda won.
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*Claims KG's Eclair & Millia Rage*

I just hope this is Kratos' strength and not Alucard's weakness.
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Summer 2005 Contest -- Current Score: 9/10
Today's Prediction -- Kratos vs. Alucard

Before I bring this up, I don't want it to seem like I'm trying to say that Kratos is someone to take seriously because of this. I think his performance today proves that, but here we go.

I just checked up on that "Battle of the Badasses" ran by IGN. The finals in it were Dante vs. Solid Snake, with Snake winning with 55% of the vote. Now, where Kratos fits into this is that he faced Dante in Round 1 and lost with 48.9% of the vote. Pretty damn good I would say. Judging from this and that G-Phoria contest, he seems to have hit it off with the casuals.

Again, though, this doesn't mean anything about GameFAQs and what they like. Just something I thought might be interesting to look at when discussing him.

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You think Alucard will gain back percentage in the last hours?

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You could include Wesker in the "impressive loser" list, though I'd chalk it up to Lloyd sucking more than anything else. I would consider Yuna and Hayabusa to be impressive losers as well.

I almost feel compelled to give Manny that label as well solely because of the board vote, but that match went pretty much as expecting other than that.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

I for one would have taken Kratos over a number of entrants, as God of War is probably the best current-gen non-RPG I have encountered. Just puts DMC to shame. Speaking of which, 44% on Alucard means Kratos would do what against Dante?

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From: Dilated Chemist | Posted: 7/29/2005 2:57:48 PM | Message Detail
You think Alucard will gain back percentage in the last hours?

Probably. Alucard tends to suck with the day vote.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 9/11 points
Current Match Prediction: Sora vs. Agent 47

Way too many votes have been cast for Alucard to make back all that much, but he should finish over 56%... 'tis almost sundown, after all.

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Alucard tends to suck with the day vote.

Duh. He's a vampire. lol m i rite
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Summer 2005 Contest -- Current Score: 9/10
Today's Prediction -- Kratos vs. Alucard

Oh, and apparently, David Jaffe -- the game's creator -- has confirmed that a sequel to God of War is in the works. Should it feature Kratos, I have a feeling he is going to kick some ass in the next contest that takes place after that game is out. <3 <3 <3

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 2 - (4) Ness
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I'd take Dante over Alucard.

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Alucard should finish with 56-57%, but anything more than that is pushing it.

44% on Alucard means Kratos would get 46.76% on Dante.
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Round 1: (7) Geno

seems like I'm the only one who's not surprised here. God of War is quite the game and will likely be remembered as being the best 3d action/platformer of its generation and Kratos is a likable character. it's hardly obscure. the only concern I had was its mature rating.

I should never have changed my 55% oracle prediction. I am sucking at that thing hardcore.
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vote for vivi.

Yeah. Yuna was pretty impressive hanging on against Ganon like that. And Lloyd was a disappointment.
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*Claims KG's Eclair & Millia Rage*

Lloyd was a disappointment, but we should have been more ready for that; his high seed was all our doing.


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I still think Lloyd will do better than expected vs. Zero. we'll probably have a better idea after Kratos/Diablo.
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So...anyone actually expect Kratos to shave off almost 5% with the day vote alone?

He's like a more bad-ass Master Hand.
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in all honesty, i never really did pay attention to how well God of War sold. how many copies has it sold?

and, as long as i'm asking, how many copies did each of the three Hitman games sell? HM or anyone else know?

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From: transience
I still think Lloyd will do better than expected vs. Zero. we'll probably have a better idea after Kratos/Diablo.

How much better than expected. Just to note right now he is expected to get 25.5 percent aganist an adjusted Zero and 28.5 aganist an unadjusted one.
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how many copies has it sold?

God of War came out in March 2005 and has sold over 500,000 copies since then. It's in the Top 10 highest selling games of this year after the first six months, even above Resident Evil 4. Just last month, the sales were 71,000. The game is nowhere near finished selling. =p

and, as long as i'm asking, how many copies did each of the three Hitman games sell? HM or anyone else know?

Hitman sold over 1 million, Hitman 2 sold 600,000, and I'm not sure on Hitman 3, but it is below 500,000.

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Hitman 2 sold over a million on the PS2 alone, HM.
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I think Lloyd will get at least 35%. I'd say 40, but I'm not that daring yet. give me a couple days.
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From: transience | Posted: 7/29/2005 3:41:15 PM | Message Detail
I think Lloyd will get at least 35%.

IMO, that would put him too close to Ryu H. which is too high, especially after Lloyd's bombing against Wesker.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 9/11 points
Current Match Prediction: Sora vs. Agent 47

I confused Hitman and Hitman 2. Just switch those.

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I'd take Lloyd over Ryu. I know I'm probably the only one there.
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wow. i am more impressed by how many copies the Hitman series has sold. God of War has been everywhere the past year and i'm reasonably familiar with it, but i know virtually nothing about the Hitman series. i don't even know what type of action game it is. as far as i know, 47 is the main character of all 3 games, right? he may not be as foddertastic as i previously thought. now i'm starting to think that he'll probably wind up closer to Max Payne or Gordon Freeman than Tanner.

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Note if Lloyd gets 35% on Zero here is what happens:

Zero adjusted::
Lloyd = Slightly Below Kos-Mos
Wesker = Slightly below JILL VALENTINE

Zero unadjusted:
Lloyd = Slightly above Viewtiful Joe
Wesker = Slightly above Vyse.

So only way Lloyd gets 35 on Zero unless the universe has imploded is if his unadjusted value is correct.
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And yes Agent 47 is the main character in all three.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

I wouldn't be that surprised to see Lloyd get 35% on Zero, I think it can happen. The stats implode often enough anyway.
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Huh. I would have thought the ToS duo to be the strongest non FF RPG characters. As in, stronger than KOS MOS. Guess we'll just have to see.
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I can very much see Lloyd putting up 35% against Zero.

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Nothing would prove that the 20XX Factor is a bunch of junk faster than Wesker = Jill.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Huh. I would have thought the ToS duo to be the strongest non FF RPG characters.


Umm....Crono?!!!
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Imagine if the ranters in the villain contest were right and Wesker really is equal to Jill Valentine in popularity. That would be pretty suave.
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Sorry, non-Square, that should have said.
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yeah, this is one case where I say to hell with the stats. 35% isn't exactly a high percentage and everyone expected to get killed is "overperforming" anyway. I'll only be surprised if Lloyd breaks 40% with ease.

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I agree with HM for once, Lloyd's gonna do about the same as Ryu got on Zero, more or less.
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But its not Lloyd's number I worried about. Wesker can only go so high.
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well, if you want an explanation that doesn't rely on x-stats, I think that Lloyd, like Frog, has a core audience that will vote for him because he's in ToS. (you can say he's disliked by his fanbase or whatever, but if he is, so is Tidus and he's doing just fine.) you would need to be an elite character to double Frog, and I think the same is true, to a lesser extent of course, with Lloyd. if Mithos can get 35% on Kefka, Lloyd should be able to do 35% on Zero.
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Thats assuming Lloyd has hardcore fans. To my knowledge Lloyd has no fans.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

I'm assuming TOS has hardcore fans that would vote for Lloyd. I find Frog to be a crappy character and people have no problem voting for him.
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Only if he did better than Hayabusa would I be really surprised. In theory Wesker's ceiling can be pretty high... the RE characters were really high in 2K2. Heh heh.

Man, those stats are pretty bizarre... Claire giving Aeris a run for her money? I'm becoming closer and closer to being a "the Stats are Garbage" guy, but they're still fun to look at. I bet after this contest the stats will be looking pretty close to garbage, honestly.
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oh, and I don't mind Lloyd. when talking about RPG main characters, there are worse.
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Difference is there is a lot of Frog fanboys running around. There are a lot of Kratos fanboys running around. Lloyd doesnt have fanboys.
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Actually the stats really dont look all that bad at this point. The only really unexplainable one is Zelda/Vivi.
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To my knowledge Lloyd has no fans.

Peh. It's just here where he doesn't have much reps. Lloyd has anywhere from the 1st-4th amount of fans based on what I've seen on the Tales of Symphonia board (behind a combination of Kratos, Zelos, and Sheena). He's just so fun to use in battle that people can't help but like him. Even if he does have corny speeches and all that.

I actually liked his character, anyway. Battle prowess aside. Then again I'm sure my character list would be up there for most 1/10s on this board.
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Raiden fact of the contest: Alucard is a plagiarist, this year Raiden will prove it!

Here is how I see the TOS fanbase going:
1. Kratos
2. Sheena
3. Zelos
4. Presea
5/6/7. Lloyd/Genis/Raine
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

well, I think all TOS characters are pretty stupid, so Lloyd isn't any worse than the rest.

I really wouldn't judge the strength of a character by their popularity on the TOS board. chances are they'll vote TOS over everything else anyway.
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metroid: zero mission - 28:50
http://speeddemosarchive.com/mzm.html

Despite them voting any character from the cast, you can see how the cast compares amongst themselves. I think Presea is mainly a "Board 8 only" thing (I haven't done "extensive research" on this, so I may be wrong). She has her fans, but I doubt she has more than Lloyd overall.
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Raiden fact of the contest: Alucard is a plagiarist, this year Raiden will prove it!

I like Presea over the rest of the TOS characters, but it doesn't mean I won't vote for Lloyd. it just means I prefer Presea.
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metroid: zero mission - 28:50
http://speeddemosarchive.com/mzm.html

1. Kratos
2. Sheena
3. Zelos
4. Presea
5/6/7. Lloyd/Genis/Raine

From my understanding, Lloyd is more likely to be around 3rd or 4th. And most like him for his playability rather than his character.

Thing is hardcore fanboys for one character make up a very small percentage of the voting population. Lloyd not going to get 30% of the vote no matter who he faces. If he faces Link he is getting destroyed. End of story. The most I can see a character being guarnteed no matter who they face is 5-10%.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Well I wasn't trying to say that "hardcore fanboys" are going to make Lloyd get votes, I was just saying that he's generally one of the more liked cast members. Because you claimed "Lloyd has no fans", which is a totally wrong statement. He will have the backing of a good deal of the ToS fanbase.
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Raiden fact of the contest: Alucard is a plagiarist, this year Raiden will prove it!

simply put, Lloyd isn't cult. TOS is arguably the second biggest RPG of this generation. you're talking about him like no one's played his game, but that's clearly not the case.

I'd sig bet anyone who wants to say that Lloyd will get doubled.

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metroid: zero mission - 28:50
http://speeddemosarchive.com/mzm.html

"Lloyd doesnt have fanboys."

I've heard the same said of Crono, Tidus and the like. It's unquestionable fact that most leads will be stronger regardless of "having no fans" (which is simply untrue, obviously) and only a few exceptions exist... and are questionable to boot, having not been proven.
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"Love forever, love is free. Let’s turn forever you and me." - Gorillaz "Feel Good INC"

Lloyd has at least one fanboy... And everyone knows who it is.

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Flee back to your masters, Aldaris, and huddle with them in darkness! For your actions shall set us all unto the Zerg! ~ Tassadar

Lloyd has at least one fanboy... And everyone knows who it is.

Heroic Metool?
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

Two fanboys, I guess. >.>

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Flee back to your masters, Aldaris, and huddle with them in darkness! For your actions shall set us all unto the Zerg! ~ Tassadar

Fact or Fiction:

Sora will break 70%.

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A E OUTBACK OWNS ME

FACT
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Spring Contest 2k5 Score: 76/80 T-117th

Fact, but he won't get 80%
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Summer 2005 Contest - 9/11 points
Current Match Prediction: Sora vs. Agent 47

I say, FICTION! He couldn't double HK-47.

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A E OUTBACK OWNS ME

HK-47 will probably be stronger than Agent 47.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 9/11 points
Current Match Prediction: Sora vs. Agent 47

I agree, but not that much.

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A E OUTBACK OWNS ME

Fact or Fiction:

Sora will break 70%.

Fiction, Agent 47 is going to surprise you tomorrow.
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17 handhelds Nintendo has taken down 1 more to go (see quote for rest)

I hope Agent 47 does well tomorrow. From what I hear, he's quite the character.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 9/11 points
Current Match Prediction: Sora vs. Agent 47

It doesn't seem like too long ago that people were claiming this agent to be the new tanner (I'm not going to capitalize his name).

When (and more importantly why) did this change?
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LordOfDabu.nS)
To be defeated by us is an honor.

People realized that Agent 47 wasn't as likely to be as pathetic as he looked when the bracket was first released. He seemed awfully generic and cult (since we had no idea where he was from), but then we realized that the games sold well and he's actually well-liked by his fanbase.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Everybody is being more cautious now due to previous surprises. Nobody that previously upheld that stance wants to speak up while people who are in favor of 47 have more reason to speak up. Everyone keeps forgetting that weird things are supposed to happen (they do every single contest) and that shouldn't stop you from sticking to your guns.
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"Love forever, love is free. Let’s turn forever you and me." - Gorillaz "Feel Good INC"

It doesn't seem like too long ago that people were claiming this agent to be the new tanner (I'm not going to capitalize his name).

When (and more importantly why) did this change?

I don't think it has. If you check out the Oracke predictions for Sora/Agent 47 you'll see almost everyone going high with Sora.

http://www.oraclechallenge.com/archives.php?contest=SC2k5&type=total&match=12

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A E OUTBACK OWNS ME

It doesn't seem like too long ago that people were claiming this agent to be the new tanner (I'm not going to capitalize his name).

When (and more importantly why) did this change?

I was calling Manny as the next Tanner (which thankfully got proven wrong). Now I don't know who is going to fill that spot.
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Today's subliminal thought is:

I'm inclinded to think Jin is going to be the newest Tanner. I didn't even know who he was when I first saw his name, and I don't know anyone who cares about Tekken.
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I need to put something here.

No one's going to "fill his spot", but Yuri will probably come the closest. I've been saying it would be between Yuri and Manny "formerly known as Manny Tanner" Calvera for a while now.
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Raiden fact of the contest: Alucard is a plagiarist, this year Raiden will prove it!

I think Yuri's the closest we're gonna get to Tanner in this contest.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 9/11 points
Current Match Prediction: Sora vs. Agent 47

I personally don't think anyone in this contest is near the level of Tanner. A lot of fodder got weeded out, a lot of the new people are actually pretty good midcarders, and Tanner is freaking generic as hell. Take a look at Agent 47: He's pretty badass.
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Currently: 10/11 | Next: Sora
Let no one doubt the flawlessness of the plan.

I was going to say Jin, but really at the worst, I can only see him doing 2-3% worse than Terry.

Fact or Fiction:

Sora will break 70%.

I'm going to say fiction here. 69% on the nose.

It doesn't seem like too long ago that people were claiming this agent to be the new tanner (I'm not going to capitalize his name).

When (and more importantly why) did this change?

Well, maybe it dawned on people that Sora isn't the power he's been hyped to be. Sora couldn't even double HK-47 last year; why should he dispose of Agent 47 like pathetic fodder?
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

Yuri, Laharl, or CATS.

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A E OUTBACK OWNS ME

The weakest character in this contest will be the King of All Cosmos
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17 handhelds Nintendo has taken down 1 more to go (see quote for rest)

Didn't Jin make the 2k2 bracket? I don't think it did all that bad.

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A E OUTBACK OWNS ME

Jin's old man made the bracket in 2002, where he was destroyed by Scorpion.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Oh, so it was that bad.

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A E OUTBACK OWNS ME

And for the record, Sonic would be expected to get 81.10% on Kazuya Mishima.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

When (and more importantly why) did this change?

I've been saying it's ridiculous to call him Neo-Tanner from the beginning. The only reason he is getting compared to Tanner is because he's in a suit. You guys must not realize how pathetic that Tanner picture looked. He looks like a random guy and his picture wasn't even that detailed. He could have been "random white male" from a GTA game.

Agent 47 actually LOOKS like a character. He's had his face in the Hitman commercials and he actually has something to LIKE about him. I think his pic from the profile page would have been better, but the one he got isn't too bad. But comparing him to Tanner, Agent 47 sounds better than Tanner from the name alone. People could vote for him due to looking like an Agent from the Matrix for all we know. Plus Hitman actually has a backing, so he might have a small amount of legit strength due to that fanbase.

Plus Agent 47 is up against Sora. We know that there are people that specifically DON'T like Sora and would not vote for him. Snake doesn't really have that against him, at least not vocally. And even if you haven't played Hitman, there are plenty of people that could probably at least recognize him as the Hitman guy. I'm sure a lot of us could do it if he wasn't in the contest and someone showed his pic. Those that recognize him from Hitman and who don't like Sora would probably vote for him.

Conclusion: He should have more than enough going for him to prevent him from being anywhere NEAR Tanner. I'd say JC Denton would be his floor. But that's just a random prediction.
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Tanner is also an awful character. Agent 47 isnt that bad.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

we should start a movement for who we think is the weakest character ever and get him into next year's contest. I wonder who we would decide on.
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metroid: zero mission - 28:50
http://speeddemosarchive.com/mzm.html

Nah, we don't need to see Tanner again. I don't know of anyone who could do worse, quite frankly.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Thing is that its hard to beat Tanner. If anyone faces Link/Mario/Cloud/Sonic the anti-votes alone will get them over Tanner. If you get too pathetic, the weak character starts getting joke votes. Tanner was a perfect situation.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Well, some hypothesized that Link vs. Tingle might be able to beat Tanner.
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The world is toroidal

Tingle would get way too many joke votes. Hell, I think Tingle would do better in the stats than Guybrush or JC Denton.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

I don't think so. Depending on the match pic I think Tingle might even get close to hanging with Ganon vs Link just on joke votes alone. He'd look better than he should I bet.

Actually, Link would probably be Tingle's best match. He'd get more joke votes there methinks and he'd be facing the strongest opponent for raw %. Tingle would reverse SFF Link possibly just because of the joke votes... heh heh. (not for the win, for the higher %)
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Raiden fact of the contest: Alucard is a plagiarist, this year Raiden will prove it!

Tingle vs. Link - rSFF proof! I actually agree with you here. I'd vote for Tingle.

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metroid: zero mission - 28:50
http://speeddemosarchive.com/mzm.html

Agent 47 will be weak, but he won't come close to Tanner. He should be triple Tanner's Xstat strength actually.

As for Link vs. Tingle...I don't think there would be reverse SFF. That is exactly the type of match that could lead to a Tanner-like performance. Tingle would probably do monstrously worse than even he would normally do. We know Link can SFF to extreme amounts, and Link has had monster performances before. Tingle would likely be very SFF vulnerable.

I still think Tingle would get over 6% and be above Tanner. But some match like that would be necessary to approach Tanner numbers. Tanner was just a ridiculous fluke, so far beyond anything else we've ever seen.
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www.SC2K5.com
www.sc2k5.com/gallery

we should start a movement for who we think is the weakest character ever and get him into next year's contest. I wonder who we would decide on.

Jay Solano
-Seems to be the hero of the N-Gage action game Operation Shadow
-The game seemed to have gotten poor reviews
-His name is fairly generic
-The game has no reviews, FAQs or any board activity at all on GameFAQs
-I haven't looked that hard but I can't locate a picture of him where you can see his face. The back shots of him I can find aren't too great

How well do you think he would do? =D
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

We have a winner.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

TRE, you never cease to impress me.
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For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to refer to Gordon Freeman versus Tanner as Schrodinger's Match. -Phoenix Flattener

as long as he looks generic, he's got my vote. that dude cannot get more than 500 votes.

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metroid: zero mission - 28:50
http://speeddemosarchive.com/mzm.html

damn, I forgot his name already. we have a winner.
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metroid: zero mission - 28:50
http://speeddemosarchive.com/mzm.html

hmmm... sounds like a name of a random person. If he gets something like Tanner (A guy in a suit) then I think he can do worse.
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17 handhelds Nintendo has taken down 1 more to go (see quote for rest)

http://www.n-gage.com/NR/rdonlyres/A518651B-1721-4D7A-B7F0-E2CC2519A764/
0/OpShadow3.jpg

See the guy in green near the front middle. That's what he looks like in game. I still can't find a front picture of him.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

Kratos almost won a 15 minute update. Alucard gained six votes on it.

I'm surprised that Alucard's not gaining from the night vote yet.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Well, he's a "military man," so I doubt his picture will look worse than Tanner's.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

With all these unexpected 4/5 seed match performances so far, what are the chances of the Universe imploding in a couple of weeks?
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"Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Lunar 2:EB
*Claims KG's Eclair & Millia Rage*

So...err...why isn't Alucard winning the night vote yet? <__<
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That's right. Cloud N. Candy would get a NEGATIVE percentage, and RPGuy's extrapolated calculator would crash. - therealmnm

0%!

Gordon Freeman is NOT, I repeat, NOT beating Leon Kennedy. There's absolutely no reason for it to happen. Leon won't be that weak, and ANYTHING that Freeman may have possibly gained by Half-Life 2 will be promptly cancelled out by Resident Evil 4.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

man, if this match was close it would be freaking awesome to watch. here's the last 20 minutes:

18:15 - Alucard by 8531
18:20 - Alucard by 8530
18:25 - Alucard by 8533
18:30 - Alucard by 8537
18:35 - Alucard by 8532

now that's 50-50.
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metroid: zero mission - 28:50
http://speeddemosarchive.com/mzm.html

Yeah. I know its impossible, but the resulting brackets and stats would be hilarious to see...
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"Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Lunar 2:EB
*Claims KG's Eclair & Millia Rage*

maybe Kratos is doing nicely on the night vote too, which cancels Alucard night vote? That's...surprising.
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That's right. Cloud N. Candy would get a NEGATIVE percentage, and RPGuy's extrapolated calculator would crash. - therealmnm

I wouldn't even expect Leon/Gordon to be a big bracket buster with the casuals, honestly.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

considering Lloyd/Wesker, I'd expect Leon with at least 75%.
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metroid: zero mission - 28:50
http://speeddemosarchive.com/mzm.html

I'm starting to wonder if Kratos may actually be the bracket favorite.

I'm lazy, where do the current results put Kratos on the 2004 X-Sts?
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SC2K5 status - Points: 008/009 - Matches: 08/09 - Rank: 03492/33793 - Today: Zelda - Tomorrow: Alucard

Thats assuming Lloyd has hardcore fans. To my knowledge Lloyd has no fans.

I would vote Lloyd over nearly every entrant in this contest.

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 2 - (4) Ness
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/135/cunningplan32kw.jpg

Near Knuckles.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Fact or Fiction:

Sora will break 70%

Fiction: About 61-65% is my guess
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VOTE: BOWSER in the Summer Contest

I'm surprised that Alucard's not gaining from the night vote yet.

He never ceases to impress me. I like Alucard, but Kratos doing this well is just awesome. It's nice that a brand-new character who is actually excellent can do well in these contests and not come from an RPG.

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 2 - (4) Ness
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/135/cunningplan32kw.jpg

HM... when's the last time a brand new RPG character did well in the contest?
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Currently: 10/11 | Next: Sora
Let no one doubt the flawlessness of the plan.

I say KOS-MOS did fairly well...
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

HM... when's the last time a brand new RPG character did well in the contest?

Tidus in 2002...

...What? He was brand new then.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

I know someone who initially put Kratos winning the division. He may as gone as far as to put him even further then that.

I would guess Kratos is going to have just under 50% of the bracket support.
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Happiness is like peeing on yourself. Everyone can see it, but only you feel it's warmth.

KOS-MOS, for one. She does well in these contests and is a new character. But I didn't mean to say that new characters from new RPGs do well in these contests. It's just that the strongest characters do, in fact, tend to come from RPGs, whether it be Final Fantasy or otherwise.

It isn't often that someone like Kratos can come along and put up a damn good performance. Him showing some strength is awesome.

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 2 - (4) Ness
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/135/cunningplan32kw.jpg

So... 2003? And that's the only one I can think of, unless you want to count 2k2 Tidus.
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Currently: 10/11 | Next: Sora
Let no one doubt the flawlessness of the plan.

Tidus and Auron count as well.

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 2 - (4) Ness
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/135/cunningplan32kw.jpg

I guess you could count Felix, too, but there's still questions as to whether it was a fluke or not.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Tidus and Auron count as well.

Auron wasn't brand new when he made his debut in 2003 though.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Those elite RPG characters come from all of four (five if you count Sora (I don't)) games, all made by the same company.
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Currently: 10/11 | Next: Sora
Let no one doubt the flawlessness of the plan.

Xenosaga wasn't made by Square.

And I don't know why you wouldn't count Sora.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

The fact that they are affliated with Square enough for the average gamer to think that they are Square serves as a reasonable basis for comparison.
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Spring Contest 2k5 Score: 76/80 T-117th

But what about Felix?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

I would limit discussion of the "strongest" to the top 20. KOS MOS or Ness could both arguable be the strongest non-square RPG character, and neither is particularly strong. Not to mention that a large chunk of Ness's voters probably don't even know that he originated in an RPG -_-
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Currently: 10/11 | Next: Sora
Let no one doubt the flawlessness of the plan.

Leonhart, its obvious. Felix sounds like a Square character thus the average gamer thinks Golden Sun is a Square game.

Duh.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Auron wasn't brand new when he made his debut in 2003 though.

Perhaps I should have clarified this more. I didn't mean brand-new as in entered the contest the year their game come out. I just mean that they were created within this generation. There haven't been too many of those that held some strength, weren't from an RPG, and came from this generation. Two that come to mind are Master Chief and Dante.

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 2 - (4) Ness
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/135/cunningplan32kw.jpg

And Shadow the Hedgehog, of course.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Clearly, I was referring to KOS-MOS and Sora.

Don't mock me. You may regret it =P
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Spring Contest 2k5 Score: 76/80 T-117th

I remember reading the discussion topics from back then about the possible effect of SC2. >.>

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Flee back to your masters, Aldaris, and huddle with them in darkness! For your actions shall set us all unto the Zerg! ~ Tassadar

Yep, I remember those discussions, too.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Tanner was just a ridiculous fluke, so far beyond anything else we've ever seen.

Actually, Adventure embarrassed itself even moreso then Tanner. Heck, Adventure got almost a whole 1% lower, which is hard to do when you get so low.
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I need to put something here.

Yeah, but Adventure had more total votes. The reason it had a lower percentage is due to a higher vote total.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

4492 vs 4686

Close enough
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I need to put something here.

And games are different to characters to the point that characters are more likely to get anti-voted than games.

Except if the game is named Halo.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

aasasd
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Mario is Winnar
Next victim: Master Ness

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We're the Mario Brothers, and plumbing's our game
We're not like the others who get all the fame
If your sink is in trouble, you can call us on the double
We're faster than the others, you'll be hooked on the Brothers Unh!
H-hooked on the Brothers. Gimme gimme, gimme gimme.
Yo, you're in for a treat, so hang on to your seat
Get ready for adventure and remarkable feats
You'll meet Koopas, the Troopas, the Princess, and the others

Hangin' with the plumbers, you'll be hooked on the brothers to the brink!
Unh! Unh!
I say a h-h-h-h-hooked on the brothers! [echo and fade out]

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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

Gogo Alucopter

You ain't cool, unless ya pee ya pants!

</Sandler>
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.