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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 173
From: Starion | Posted: 7/28/2005 8:39:30 AM | Message Detail
Who would you choose in an Aeris/Zelda match?
From: voltch | Posted: 7/28/2005 8:39:44 AM | Message Detail
well diablo/ridley was supposed to be even and we know how that turned out.
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft
From: yoblazer33 | Posted: 7/28/2005 8:39:45 AM | Message Detail
somehow i feel like zelda/snake is ocelot/wily x10

Definitely. The only difference is that this fear has more to do with Zelda's strength, while last time it was all about Ocelot's weakness.
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From: The n00b Avenger | Posted: 7/28/2005 8:40:49 AM | Message Detail
Zelda is clearly winning because of the Bad Zelda ytmnd that was put up recently.
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So I said "Supercollide her? I just met her!"
From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 7/28/2005 8:42:17 AM | Message Detail
Who would you choose in an Aeris/Zelda match?

I've always said I would go with Zelda in that match.

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 2 - (4) Ness
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From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 7/28/2005 8:42:18 AM | Message Detail
Adjusted Vivi (higher)/Unadjusted Vivi (lower):
5 Mega Man 38.63
6 Crono 38.44
7 Mario 37.94
Zelda 36.39
8 Sonic the Hedgehog 36.26
9 Ganondorf 34.99
10 Magus 34.93
Zelda 34.64
11 Solid Snake 34.39
12 Auron 33.56
13 Zero 33.44

2003 Zelda:
33 Donkey Kong 25.34
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37 Aya Brea 24.80
38 Diablo 24.69
39 Felix 24.60
Vivi 24.24
40 Strider Hiryu 24.23
41 Scorpion 24.12
42 Wario 24.07

I have nothing. Absolutely nothing.
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Summer Contest 2005: 9/9
Today: Vivi, Tomorrow: Alucard
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 7/28/2005 8:43:10 AM | Message Detail
well diablo/ridley was supposed to be even and we know how that turned out.

That was with two new-comers though; we didn't REALLY know what to expect out of either of them. Vivi and Zelda both are characters we've had before, and yet, even after our stats lookin' like it was supposed to be close, Zelda's beating Vivi noticably worse than Diablo beat Ridley...

...and Zelda's still gaining, too.
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From: voltch | Posted: 7/28/2005 8:43:36 AM | Message Detail
zelda over sonic? now that is bizzare
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft
From: Master Moltar | Posted: 7/28/2005 8:45:41 AM | Message Detail
I don't know what to say. I really don't see Zelda being that high and Vivi being so low...
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Vivi vs. Zelda- Bracket: Zelda - Vote: Zelda (8/9)
From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 7/28/2005 8:46:00 AM | Message Detail
Well, that's entertaining. God of War, due to its acclaim, is getting a movie based on it. Talk about appropriate timing, heh.

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 2 - (4) Ness
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From: voltch | Posted: 7/28/2005 8:46:09 AM | Message Detail
by the way kefka is stronger than ocelot by a bit right. and pacman pushed kefka to the brink. so if pacman remained constant he could fall in a little bit above ocelot. is that theoraticaly possible?
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft
From: The n00b Avenger | Posted: 7/28/2005 8:46:11 AM | Message Detail
Kuja losing to a hand was clearly an omen.
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So I said "Supercollide her? I just met her!"
From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 7/28/2005 8:47:03 AM | Message Detail
I really don't see Zelda being that high and Vivi being so low...

It's a matter of seeing an increase for Zelda and a decrease for Vivi. Those work on extremes.

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 2 - (4) Ness
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 7/28/2005 8:49:46 AM | Message Detail
Kuja losing to a hand was clearly an omen.

LOVE THE GLOVE: 2005.


Well, let's consider one more thing about today's match: while you could argue for it in the Vivi/DK match, you can't really argue for it in Vivi/Zelda; that's right, I'm talking about the Black Mage Factor (which, by the way, Ulti should probably put this on that new link he made). I don't see any real reason to see BMF drop so hard from 2k4 to 2k5 though; I'm just saying that now there's a match to argue against it.
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From: therealmnm | Posted: 7/28/2005 8:53:34 AM | Message Detail
You know it's probably just another instance of one character dropping beyond the scope of linearity in the Xstats. We've seen the same thing last year with Mega Man and Samus projected to beat Link based on their performances against Tidus and Sam Fisher respectively. In the end though, Samus and Mega Man ended up coming back down to earth.

This just may simply be another case of linearity across the Xstats failing. At least we get to see how DK and Sam Fisher perform this year. If DK ends up being near the same strength as previously, then it just serves as probable proof of non-linearity. I don't see Vivi really dropping since last year with no reason to and not even being favored to win his match.
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From: voltch | Posted: 7/28/2005 8:55:12 AM | Message Detail
hmmm
God of War got behind BloodRayne, Hitman, Spy Hunter, Splinter Cell, and Metroid in the movie-adaptation queue.

all these games should not be made into movies.
it's like movies based on comic books and since there running out of comics to adapt into movies they use games now.

never going to work.
bloodrayne movie=blade trinity=very bad
hitman:says it will show the emotional side of agent 47,yeah vin diesel kills a guy looks sad for two seconds and moves on to the next guy.
the other three will probably flops as well. but trying to make a splinter cell movie? a MGS CGI movie would be better

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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 7/28/2005 8:58:53 AM | Message Detail
I'm off to work now, but I do wanna ask...Vivi or Riku, who wins?
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From: Adept_Of_Aiur | Posted: 7/28/2005 9:14:04 AM | Message Detail
Well, now Snake vs Zelda oughta be close... Seeing as I really believe that Guybrush and Manny would be about equal, I buy into the 1.whatever% increases on unadjusted Snake, which makes Zelda and Snake really close.
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119
From: FastFalcon05 | Posted: 7/28/2005 9:15:21 AM | Message Detail
somehow i feel like zelda/snake is ocelot/wily x10 as in quite a lot of people took someone and after round one they want to exchange there souls to go back in time yet the fav still won

Yes, I agree, nice point.

And, HM said that Sora could be looking forward to a boost,too, but not from hype, he has Kindgom Hearts Chain of Memories; sales were quite adequate, and they were on an entirely different system. If Frog still means anything as a competitor, then Sora could definitely be a force to be reckoned with.
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From: therealmnm | Posted: 7/28/2005 9:15:52 AM | Message Detail
Driving back to Miami now. I'll catch up later this evening.
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From: Master Moltar | Posted: 7/28/2005 9:17:51 AM | Message Detail
Vivi wins.

And I am still very confident in Snake. Zelda has just caught me off-guard today, but I still think Snake can take her.
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Vivi vs. Zelda- Bracket: Zelda - Vote: Zelda (8/9)
From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 7/28/2005 9:18:28 AM | Message Detail
If Zelda = 20XXDF Snake, Vivi is at 26.27%, around Knuckles.

If Zelda = unadjusted Snake, Vivi is at 24.20%, around Scorpion.

Either this is the worst match stat wise since Mega Man/Tidus or Zelda is going to beat Snake, Alucard/Sora, and have a very interesting match with Bowser.
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Summer Contest 2005: 9/9
Today: Vivi, Tomorrow: Alucard
From: Adept_Of_Aiur | Posted: 7/28/2005 9:18:56 AM | Message Detail
What do you guys think the prediction percentage on this match will be? I'm thinking somewhere in the high 70's.
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119
From: Master Moltar | Posted: 7/28/2005 9:20:42 AM | Message Detail
DK managed to get 65% against the Mage. Zelda should be clear over 75%.
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Vivi vs. Zelda- Bracket: Zelda - Vote: Zelda (8/9)
From: Tediz247 | Posted: 7/28/2005 9:22:14 AM | Message Detail
What's Zelda at according to a constant Vivi?
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From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 7/28/2005 9:24:00 AM | Message Detail
What's Zelda at according to a constant Vivi?

*points at message #156*
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Summer Contest 2005: 9/9
Today: Vivi, Tomorrow: Alucard
From: Tediz247 | Posted: 7/28/2005 9:26:12 AM | Message Detail
Oops, didn't see that >_>

I'd kill to see Zelda beat Sonic.
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That... was her final mission. And like a true soldier, she saw it through the end.
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From: Adept_Of_Aiur | Posted: 7/28/2005 9:26:41 AM | Message Detail
I'd kill someone IF Zelda beat Sonic.
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119
From: T4libKw4li | Posted: 7/28/2005 9:27:06 AM | Message Detail
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From: Mumei | Posted: 7/28/2005 9:31:42 AM | Message Detail
I'd be quite amused if someone beat Sonic...

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From: Tai | Posted: 7/28/2005 9:33:12 AM | Message Detail
Sonic > * :-)

This is impressive and all, in terms of what people THOUGHT would happen, but I still think Solid Snake can beat her.

Although, Zelda keeps on increasing in %, and that's scary to see. :-(
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From: T4libKw4li | Posted: 7/28/2005 9:39:33 AM | Message Detail
DK is looking like high end fodder at worst and a low end mid carder at best. Reminds me of Sam Fisher >_>
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From: Draco1214 | Posted: 7/28/2005 9:40:51 AM | Message Detail
I don't think Sam Fisher has a chance against DK, because Sam Fisher almost let the universe implode.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 8/10 points
Current Match Prediction: Kratos (God of War) vs. Alucard
From: Slowflake | Posted: 7/28/2005 9:40:52 AM | Message Detail
Sam Fisher is middle-end fodder at best and middle-end fodder at worst.
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SC2K5 status - Points: 008/009 - Matches: 08/09 - Rank: 03492/33793 - Today: Zelda - Tomorrow: Alucard
From: Slowflake | Posted: 7/28/2005 9:44:14 AM | Message Detail
Yeah, DK would lead Gordon by a lot more than seven votes three hours through.

Fisher has no chance, and it will be DK's biggest win ever. Get it through your head, TG.
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SC2K5 status - Points: 008/009 - Matches: 08/09 - Rank: 03492/33793 - Today: Zelda - Tomorrow: Alucard
From: Draco1214 | Posted: 7/28/2005 9:45:37 AM | Message Detail
It will be hilarious if DK does better on Sam Fisher than when he went up against Vyse.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 8/10 points
Current Match Prediction: Kratos (God of War) vs. Alucard
From: Slowflake | Posted: 7/28/2005 9:51:05 AM | Message Detail
Oh, he will. Fisher is noticeably weaker than Vyse.

Back to a much more interesting match... could Zelda continue increasing her score high enough to end up ahead of Mario?
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SC2K5 status - Points: 008/009 - Matches: 08/09 - Rank: 03492/33793 - Today: Zelda - Tomorrow: Alucard
From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 7/28/2005 9:53:43 AM | Message Detail
I'd kill someone IF Zelda beat Sonic.

I'd love to see Zelda beat Sonic. <3

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 2 - (4) Ness
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/135/cunningplan32kw.jpg
From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 7/28/2005 9:53:55 AM | Message Detail
Zelda needs to get adjusted Vivi down to 38.35% to beat Mario's average.
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Summer Contest 2005: 9/9
Today: Vivi, Tomorrow: Alucard
From: Slowflake | Posted: 7/28/2005 9:55:29 AM | Message Detail
I'm much more willing to trust the 2004 numbers on this. How much does Zelda need for that? (I'm not expecting a really big difference, since Mario's fairly consistent in his losses. Just asking.)
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SC2K5 status - Points: 008/009 - Matches: 08/09 - Rank: 03492/33793 - Today: Zelda - Tomorrow: Alucard
From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 7/28/2005 9:58:48 AM | Message Detail
Well, by my stats, 2k3 Mario = 2k4 Mario > 2k2 Mario, so Zelda would need to push Vivi down a little more to get to 2k4 Mario (38.11%, specifically). Going by cn's 2k4 stats, Vivi needs 39.03%.
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Summer Contest 2005: 9/9
Today: Vivi, Tomorrow: Alucard
From: Slowflake | Posted: 7/28/2005 10:00:27 AM | Message Detail
39.03%? Very much doable. Zelda over Mario... geez.
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SC2K5 status - Points: 008/009 - Matches: 08/09 - Rank: 03492/33793 - Today: Zelda - Tomorrow: Alucard
From: irriadin | Posted: 7/28/2005 10:02:13 AM | Message Detail
So, this is interesting. Zelda is looking to beat Vivi by the same margin she beat... Lara Croft... http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1335

Another noteworthy poll, 40% on megaman isn't too bad at all. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1352


http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1775

hmmm.....
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From: Draco1214 | Posted: 7/28/2005 10:11:35 AM | Message Detail
Snake decreased in 2k4. That's why Mega Man did better.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 8/10 points
Current Match Prediction: Kratos (God of War) vs. Alucard
From: XxSoulxX | Posted: 7/28/2005 10:16:52 AM | Message Detail
If the unadjusted stats prove to be correct, I'm happy that I went with the Sonic > Megaman upset.
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From: Lucid Faia | Posted: 7/28/2005 10:42:07 AM | Message Detail
Remember when I insisted that you can't compare characters across different contests? For example, you can't compare 2003 Link to 2004 Link. You can compare anyone in the 2003 contest because it's all connected; there's always something to go by. But you can't compare someone from a different year to 2003 characters and expect a reliable result, between every single character fluctuating in their strengths, and variables like vote totals, vote rallying, and vote stuffing.

This match was never going to be dead even, and I knew it. Hopefully people will pay more attention to that theory of mine. It would definitely explain what has been happening so far.

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From: yoblazer33 | Posted: 7/28/2005 10:45:53 AM | Message Detail
Agreed. People here are way too Xstats-happy. If the stats went back far enough, I'm sure they'd be comparing Zelda to 1984 Pitfall Harry and wondering what the hell happened.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.
From: SecondBest | Posted: 7/28/2005 10:48:12 AM | Message Detail
Hey Lucid, would you mind doing some pro-Terra ranting again? I'm starting to lose confidence in my pick of her over Dante.
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From: FastFalcon05 | Posted: 7/28/2005 11:02:28 AM | Message Detail
This match was never going to be dead even, and I knew it.

Yeah, I never looked for responses (doubt I got any anyway) but it just seems way more often than not, a match we expect to be close, won't be.

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From: FastFalcon05 | Posted: 7/28/2005 11:07:50 AM | Message Detail
Guesses as to when we'll have our first bracket upset?

I think it might be Vercetti/Kefka, if Kefka pulls through.
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