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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 172
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:33:06 AM | Message Detail
Vivi 38.04% 1393
Zelda 61.96% 2269
TOTAL VOTES 3662
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From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:33:28 AM | Message Detail
Heh, this tournament makes Knuckles/Yuna/Vivi an interesting trio. Knuckles got 55.32% on Yuna, Ganon got 61.2% on Yuna, and Snake got 59.54% (2k4) and 63.13% (2k3) on Knuckles. Is Vivi as strong as Knuckles? Is Zelda as strong as Ganon? Is Yuna as strong as Vivi?
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From: bigkevinm84 | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:33:35 AM | Message Detail
Yoshi over Megaman, now that would make my day.

As much as I like MM, that would make my day also... I'm just hoping the little guy can over perform a little bit :)
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From: Explicit Content | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:34:16 AM | Message Detail
Goooooooooooooooo Vivi... just no so much that you actually beat Zelda. >_>

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From: voltch | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:34:27 AM | Message Detail
vivi is now starting to gain steadily but very slowly
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From: Keno316 | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:34:51 AM | Message Detail
Well, Zelda winning this one doesn't bug me. Despite losing a point.
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From: BeTheMan | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:35:26 AM | Message Detail
00:30:01

Vivi 1302
Zelda 2146

00:30:01

Vivi 1285
DK 1019

Okay, so this match is over 1,000 votes ahead of Vivi/DK's pace from last year...and all of those extra voters have sided with Zelda. >_<

This is really odd...DK's going to come off looking weaker than Lara Croft.
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From: FastFalcon05 | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:36:02 AM | Message Detail
As much as I like MM, that would make my day also... I'm just hoping the little guy can over perform a little bit :)

Amen.
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From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:37:19 AM | Message Detail
OK! How many here actually have 2005 Champ over Sephiroth in their brackets?!

I know I do. If Snake beats Bowser, Samus beats Sephiroth. Book it.

...not to say she couldn't beat Sephiroth anyway, but Snake over Bowser would make it a certainty.
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From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:37:46 AM | Message Detail
This is really odd...DK's going to come off looking weaker than Lara Croft.

This is really starting to annoy me. If you put Zelda and Lara in another match together, Zelda would likely clear 70% with ease. Just because two characters had a match once upon a time doesn't mean that the result is static two years after the fact. I mean no offense, but that's probably my big gripe with the stats. It is not static, transitive data.

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From: voltch | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:38:49 AM | Message Detail
this match is going at the same pace as ganondorf/yuna right now.
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From: Kaxon | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:39:17 AM | Message Detail
DK > MC would be too awesome for words, quite frankly.

I think it's quite possible, honestly... as long as this match is Zelda rising/Vivi falling and doesn't reflect on DK. Everyone admits that the 20XX stats from last year are questionable, and Frog/MC/LS even moreso. If you compare DK 2k3 with MC 2k3, DK doesn't need to make up a whole lot of ground.
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:39:29 AM | Message Detail
The stats we have certainly aren't static or transitive in many cases...but they're still fun to look at and compare, heh.
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From: Dranze | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:41:03 AM | Message Detail
Now, I wouldn't be surprised if Zelda beat Snake, if this match continues like this, Snake is in some deep trouble. Even at Vivi's unadjusted value, Zelda's doing better than 2003 Snake..
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Bracket: Zelda - Vote: Zelda - Points: 8/9
From: Lucid Faia | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:41:13 AM | Message Detail
Samus over Sephiroth... an eight-point boose over the majority of the competition is just what the doctor ordered.

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From: Lucid Faia | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:41:25 AM | Message Detail
Boost, even.

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From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:41:36 AM | Message Detail
If you compare DK 2k3 with MC 2k3, DK doesn't need to make up a whole lot of ground.

Yeah, but if you compare the sales of Halo 2 and Donkey Konga, you cry your eyes out with the injustice.
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From: voltch | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:42:13 AM | Message Detail
so this match will break 100k as well right
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:42:19 AM | Message Detail
If you compare DK 2k3 with MC 2k3, DK doesn't need to make up a whole lot of ground.

Right...then factor in noticably-improved Xbox ownership and the release of Halo 2.
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From: Lucid Faia | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:42:52 AM | Message Detail
I wonder how many brackets have Zelda > Snake.

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From: Kagato Toujou | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:43:01 AM | Message Detail
Vivi 38.65% 1709
Zelda 61.35% 2713
TOTAL VOTES 4422

Zelda clears 1K.
From: Dranze | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:43:44 AM | Message Detail
Wait..nevermind, she isn't. >_>
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Bracket: Zelda - Vote: Zelda - Points: 8/9
From: BeTheMan | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:44:10 AM | Message Detail
This is really starting to annoy me. If you put Zelda and Lara in another match together, Zelda would likely clear 70% with ease. Just because two characters had a match once upon a time doesn't mean that the result is static two years after the fact. I mean no offense, but that's probably my big gripe with the stats. It is not static, transitive data.

According to last year's unadjusted stats, Vivi would get over 70% on Lara Croft. So unless you're suggesting that Zelda is suddenly equal to Samus, this is pretty ******* insane.
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From: bigkevinm84 | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:44:31 AM | Message Detail
Vivi 38.72% 1736
Zelda 61.28% 2748
TOTAL VOTES 4484

I'm going to bed, let's hope Zelda is still winning by this much when I wake up...
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From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:45:47 AM | Message Detail
Ganon(dorf)- I must take over Hyrule because I'm evil and rawr.

This stood out more than anything from the last topic. Ganon is not that simple. He's much more complex than people give him credit for. He isn't evil to be evil, with no purpose. Everything he does is calculated and nearly unbeatable. But yeah, don't want to get into that now.

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From: Eggplant Lord | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:45:50 AM | Message Detail
If Zelda beat Snake, the prediction percentage would just be horrendous. Perhaps... 10%?

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From: outback | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:45:52 AM | Message Detail
From: Lucid Faia
I wonder how many brackets have Zelda > Snake.

I think there's 3 each in the BOP and the Guru.


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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:47:24 AM | Message Detail
Yeah, MAYBE 15% would take Zelda over Solid. Maybe.
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From: Kaxon | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:48:18 AM | Message Detail
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From: Haste2 | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:48:54 AM | Message Detail
To be optimistic about Solid Snake, Snake '03 would beat unadjusted Vivi with 62%.

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From: cavedog0 | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:49:57 AM | Message Detail
Yeah, MAYBE 15% would take Zelda over Solid. Maybe.

Im thinking < 2. People must have a lot of faith in Snake, considering 98% picked him over manny...
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From: LeonhartForever | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:50:10 AM | Message Detail
Regardless, these results don't make much sense right now. Either Zelda's up there with the best of 'em (and way above Ganon, which she definitely wasn't in '03), or Vivi's as weak as the DK he beat last year.

Bah.
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From: yoblazer33 | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:50:23 AM | Message Detail
Sure he has good games, I've been playing them for close to 20 years, but I don't see what makes him THAT appealing as a character.

He's the icon of our industry. If Link, Cloud, and Sephiroth can hoist a tournament title in the air, then Mario sure as hell can too.
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From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:51:03 AM | Message Detail
but I don't see what makes him THAT appealing as a character.

Mario is kick ass on levels that cannot be described.

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From: LeonhartForever | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:51:24 AM | Message Detail
People must have a lot of faith in Snake, considering 98% picked him over manny...

No, it's mostly because he was facing Manny Calavera, whom most of the bracket-makers had either never heard of or at least never had played his game. His 2% probably came from favorites and zero attempts.
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From: Eggplant Lord | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:51:35 AM | Message Detail
Zelda's dropping Like Fox in SSBM...

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From: Explicit Content | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:52:15 AM | Message Detail
Zelda's dropping Like Fox in SSBM...

...Fox floats?

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From: Vietboizz | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:52:30 AM | Message Detail
Percentage wise but not vote wise

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From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:52:46 AM | Message Detail
From: LeonhartForever | Posted: 7/28/2005 3:50:10 AM | Message Detail | #432
Regardless, these results don't make much sense right now. Either Zelda's up there with the best of 'em (and way above Ganon, which she definitely wasn't in '03), or Vivi's as weak as the DK he beat last year.


If I had to take a guess, I'd say that Vivi benefited from a massive amount of DK anti-voting.

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From: yoblazer33 | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:53:01 AM | Message Detail
She's dropping in neither.
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From: BeTheMan | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:53:16 AM | Message Detail
...Who anti-votes DK? Does anyone care that much about him?
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From: Eggplant Lord | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:53:29 AM | Message Detail
I jinxed it.

I think I'll just... stop talking about it >_>

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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:53:30 AM | Message Detail
DK anti-voting doesn't make any sense.
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From: LeonhartForever | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:53:38 AM | Message Detail
No more anti-voting than DK would normally get because there's no reason for it to increase. Any anti-voting DK gets would be part of his strength anyway.

I ain't buying that.
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From: MegatokyoEd | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:53:49 AM | Message Detail
Nobody cares enough to vote for DK or anti-vote him.
From: Dilated Chemist | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:54:02 AM | Message Detail
It's obvious this Zelda is Link in disguise. He wants to be more and more like Cloud.

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From: yoblazer33 | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:54:17 AM | Message Detail
I sure love it when the stats crap all over themselves. I can just imagine Leonhart tucked away in an underground lair, brooding over pieces of paper and yelling "THESE NUMBERS!!! THEY MAKE NO SENSE!!!!"
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:55:11 AM | Message Detail
I sure love it when the stats crap all over themselves. I can just imagine Leonhart tucked away in an underground lair, brooding over pieces of paper and yelling "THESE NUMBERS!!! THEY MAKE NO SENSE!!!!"

While I couldn't before, I can now. Super-sweet.
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From: Explicit Content | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:55:12 AM | Message Detail
What's the numbers on this compared to Yuna/G-dorf.

Just wondering because of the suspected vote stuffing in that match, although it was only 600 votes, and not this early either. Just curious.

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From: LeonhartForever | Posted: 7/28/2005 12:55:38 AM | Message Detail
Meh, I'm more upset about people making a big deal about this than about this screwing up the stats because I'm confident Vivi will even this out in due time. I only said that because Zelda's performance in context makes no sense, and I don't see any reason for her to stay there.
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