I don't think that rSFF wuld be enough to get anyone over a hump as big as the one it would take to get Tifa over crono...
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since no one's posting anything, what SFF matches would you want to see? here's a quick list off the top of my head:

Bowser/Ganon/Zelda
Tifa/Aeris
Auron/Tidus
Lloyd/Kratos (though maybe not after seeing what happens with Diablo)

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vote for vivi.

oh, and Vivi/Zidane.
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vote for vivi.

Of those you mentioned, Tifa/Aeris is the only one that wouldn't result in a predictable horrible beating, and would resolve the question of who's stronger between the two.
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a horrible beating which way? I remember Harrich saying he'd take Bowser over Ganon, and Tidus/Auron is a tossup in my mind. I have no clue on Lloyd/Kratos, though I'd probably take Kratos. Vivi/Zidane is the only match that would result in a beating.
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vote for vivi.

I'd definitely take Bowser over Ganon. Did you see how the fanbase abandoned him against Link? I'm sure Bowser could do it too, to a lesser extent. Even Zelda might be able to... I do think Zelda would do a bit better against Link than Ganondorf.
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Than Ganondorf did. There, now it's not confusing.
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I'm shocked at the analysis crew picks. I really am.

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"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

I'd sooner take Vivi at those crazy numbers than Zelda at them. Zelda just seems to have more reasons to be too high in the stats than Vivi does.
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Luigi is in a long list of middle of the road characters in SSBM.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Just because they abandoned Ganon for Link does not mean they would do so for any other character, Nintendo, Zelda, or otherwise. All that did was reinforce that a number of Ganon's voters come from people who are also big Link fans.

Ganon, against anyone else, is still going to be a very threatening competitor.

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And by the way, you can apparently CC a hit, then DI straight upwards to survive for insane periods of time in SSBM. This is a recent discovery, and it really is quite insane how long you can survive after mastering the technique.

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I'm not saying that Bowser would beat Ganondorf 88%-12% or anything crazy, but after seeing Ganon utterly collapse against Link, it's hard not to think that Bowser wouldn't at least take some of his votes. Enough to make Bowser win. They're pretty close anyway.

If Ganon makes it to Samus, I expect him to underperform.
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I wouldn't expect any sort of underperformance that is worth getting worked up over when he does make it there. Again, Ganon losing by such a margin to Link does not signify that he'll underperform against every Nintendo character out there. It only implies that Ganon's fans are far bigger Link fans, which is understandable.

But I certainly agree that Bowser can win, especially since I believe he's dead even with Ganon in the stats. I just don't believe he would win because of Ganon losing SFF, or votes or whatever, because he performed horribly against Link.

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With all the sentiment that Bowser's performance against Sephiroth should be thrown out, people still aren't looking at the proportion between Ganondorf and Bowser. And if anything, Ganon would have MORE of a reason to overperform due to it being the final match....

All signs point to Bowser being above his 2k3 numbers... And he has reason to be.
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I think Ganon will do okay vs. Samus. Samus won't triple him or anything, at least. there are a lot of people out there that will vote Zelda over anything else.
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vote for vivi.

Samus won't even double him! Honestly, Ganon is a strong competitor. Samus iis projected to win that match with 59.01%. Now, it's certainly reasonable to believe she can break the 60% mark, but it won't be by much.

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yeah, I'd take Samus with about 62%. I'm just saying that the fanbase isn't about to abandon him like they did against Link.
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vote for vivi.

That's right ulti, my one crew mate cape has lived from Samus fully charged shots at nearly 200% as mario

See that's not how I interpret it. How I interpret it is, Ganon's support exists pretty much only due to game series voting and company voting. I mean, Ganondorf and Link are nothing alike, if he had much appeal on his own, he would've been able to hold up a little better. Like Bowser or Magus did. (I realize he shouldn't have got 30% because Link is stronger, but 25% or even 20%, is that too much to ask?)

Raiden, the guy who is hated pretty much just because he isn't Solid Snake, did better against Solid Snake than Ganondorf did against Link. That really says something about Ganon, if you ask me. I'd probably put Zelda over Ganondorf too, now that I think about it. I just can't see Zelda going that low vs Link.
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I agree with you, but there are a hell of a lot of Zelda fans out there. as long as he's not facing a Zelda character, he should do all right, and that includes Bowser.
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vote for vivi.

err, that's kind of ambiguous. I meant that I'd take Ganon to beat Bowser due to franchise voting.
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vote for vivi.

wow ultimaterizer goes to smashboards.
Yea too bad Ness's CC sucks v_v (I use Ness btw.)

I would like to see knux vrs sonic. Why isnt Shadow in this contest?
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Today- Snake; Tomorrow- Vivi

This topic really needs its own "social" topic.
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I just noticed something weird about Lara Croft's numbers. In 2k4, they took a massive drop. Something seems fishy there. It seems to suggest overperformance by Zelda on Mega Man. Anyone feel the same way?
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I remember Harrich saying he'd take Bowser over Ganon

Did I? I may have made a case for Bowser > Ganon, but I really think Ganon would take Bowser down; I just got done trying to make a case for how ZELDA could possibly take Bowser, and I fully believe Ganon's stronger than Zelda.


As for SFF matches I'd like to see:

DK/Luigi/Fox/Ness (give a match with any two of them, and you have a match)
Tifa/Vincent
Tidus/Sora (as shaky as Tidus is and as vurnable to SFF Sora is, I'd simply like to see the result)
Bowser/Zelda (Bowser'd probably win, but it'd still be a good match)
Raiden/Big Boss
Protoman/Dr. Wily
Ridley/Metroid (yes, a metroid)
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I just noticed something weird about Lara Croft's numbers. In 2k4, they took a massive drop. Something seems fishy there. It seems to suggest overperformance by Zelda on Mega Man. Anyone feel the same way?

Lara Croft (or Tomb Raider in general) is hideously unpopular right now, I think that would explain her dropping. Though TR: Legend is getting some good press right now, even though the game is looking to take hints from Sands of Time.
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You don't just up and score 41% on Sephiroth without having SOME kind of strength to yourself. Otherwise, Zelda would theoretically be just as strong as Ganon, if you're taking the LoZ fanbase into consideration.

And you can't forget that Link is the most popular character ON this site. We didn't see a Ganondorf weakness. We just saw SFF in it's purest form. If you happen to like Ganondorf, then you probably like the hero from his game, who just so happens to be the most popular character PERIOD.

Other characters have excuses for performing better against SFF. Raiden was a playable protagonist in MGS2. Magus is a big fan favorite in Chrono Trigger. Bowser has grown from being the villain at the end of a Mario game. He has a great personality and a large fanbase.

Ganon hasn't really grown out of only being the villain at the end of the Zelda games. I hope he finally gets over that hump in TP. Wind Waker was a good start, but there wasn't nearly enough interaction with Link in the game, although the sequences in Forsaken Fortress and at the end are among the best in the game....
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I think Zelda has a more interesting personality than any other Zelda character.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

It seems to suggest overperformance by Zelda on Mega Man. Anyone feel the same way?

I used to argue heavy that Mega Man under-performed against LoZ characters (Lara falling and Link smashing Mega Man were my two big cases), but since 20XXF seems to be essentially non-existant now, I don't agree with my theory on that anymore.

Zelda still might have over-performed though; it's just that I don't think so anymore.
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From: LordOfDabu | Posted: 7/27/2005 7:51:11 PM | Message Detail | #374
This topic really needs its own "social" topic.

Oh screw that. Half the fun of this topic is that we can be social without being hounded by idiots.

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"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

I think Lara's fall had more to do with Lara and Samus than Zelda.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Navi has the best personality in a Zelda game. It isnt a good personality, but a personality nonetheless.
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From: Draco1214 | Posted: 7/27/2005 7:51:23 PM | Message Detail | #375
I just noticed something weird about Lara Croft's numbers. In 2k4, they took a massive drop. Something seems fishy there. It seems to suggest overperformance by Zelda on Mega Man. Anyone feel the same way?

One of the biggest problems I have with Xsts is the psychological assumption that every character is still conjoined together by their stats well after the fact. No offense to you or anything, but I just think statements like that are preposterous.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Are you trying to say that no Zelda character has a personality? Because Zelda and Ganondorf would like to have a word with you. Even Link has a personality that is noticable in the way he interacts throughout the game.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

DK/Luigi/Fox/Ness (give a match with any two of them, and you have a match)

Luigi > DK > Fox > Ness

All four of them have the SSB factor, so it'll come down to other games. I don't think Earthbound can can stand against the Mario, Donkey Kong, and Star Fox series.

Tifa/Vincent

Hell if I know. I'm one of the few here who's never played this game.

Tidus/Sora (as shaky as Tidus is and as vurnable to SFF Sora is, I'd simply like to see the result)

Tidus.

Bowser/Zelda (Bowser'd probably win, but it'd still be a good match)

I'd take Bowser now, but that might change depending how big of a hit Twilight Princess turns out to be.

Raiden/Big Boss

I'd take Raiden if Big Boss gets his old man picture. If not, it's Naked Snake all the way.

Protoman/Dr. Wily

Protoman. Most people were giving the edge to Wily during the Spring, and I was scratching my head, wondering "What the ****?"

Ridley/Metroid (yes, a metroid)

Ridley, but that would be a damn interesting match. =)
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After TP, Zelda wins.

Hell after TP, Zelda going to beat a lot of characters.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Well, if Zelda is actually playable (or if she just kicks a lot of ass in general, which she seems primed to do with that sword), her popularity may receive a sizable boost.
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From: NewLib
Are you trying to say that no Zelda character has a personality? Because Zelda and Ganondorf would like to have a word with you. Even Link has a personality that is noticable in the way he interacts throughout the game.

I agree.


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On another note, I think this account is much better than my old one. 49 days till I get search!
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There have been rumors of Zelda being playable and Im almost certain Zelda going to play her biggest role yet.

If Zelda is playable however, I can see her challenging Sonic.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

This is the personalities for three main people in Zelda.

Ganon(dorf)- I must take over Hyrule because I'm evil and rawr.

Zelda- I'm a happy girl who gets kidnapped constantly

Link- I am the hero.

It is the basic characters for a princess saving thing.

The only one with a little more backstory is Ganon(dorf) and that is that he was a thief.
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Contest stat 8/8
Today- Snake; Tomorrow- Vivi

Oh, I know Tidus would beat Sora. =P I'd just like to see what kind of percentages would plop out.
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Also, 40% on Mega Man doesn't seem so impressive when you take into account that Mega Man dropped from 2k2 to 2k3 (you can tell mostly because of his matches vs. Sephiroth).

And yes, I do know that the high vote totals benefited Square that year. But Mega Man only managed 38% of the vote against Sephiroth despite getting 49.5% the year earlier. That's a hint the Mega Man dropped between 2k2 to 2k3.

And Sephiroth/Vivi SFF was never accounted for. I don't know why stuff like Link/Mega Man gets an SFF tag but that doesn't. This could mean Vivi is stronger than the stats suggest.

Mega Man seems to fold like a card whenever he faces someone from LoZ. That seems kinda strange to me.

It's hard to gauge both Vivi and Zelda's strengths but I think they are equal. Also, I don't think TP did anything to the LoZ cast which may explain why Ganondorf underperformed so badly against Yuna. Yuna may have gotten a boost from X-2, but TP should have been there to counter that.

Well, that was the end of my pro-Vivi rant. >_>

GO VIVI!
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Current Match Prediction: Vivi vs. Zelda

I just like to say, Samus is no where near horrible in SSBM as you people make her to be. Her recovery pretty much owns all.

From: darkdragon9988675
This is the personalities for three main people in Zelda.

Ganon(dorf)- I must take over Hyrule because I'm evil and rawr.

Zelda- I'm a happy girl who gets kidnapped constantly

Link- I am the hero.

It is the basic characters for a princess saving thing.

The only one with a little more backstory is Ganon(dorf) and that is that he was a thief.

PLAY WIND WAKER. It's only flaw is being too easy.


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Zelda has had a consistent personality. She has a conflicting sense of duty and rebellion streak. She has a strong morale foundation and believes in fighting for what is right. However, some times she tries to do too much or believes she can do everything by herself. This in the end gets her in trouble. The lesson Zelda always seems to need to learn is that she can rely on other people.

Zelda is no Princess Peach.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

This is the personalities for three main people in Zelda.

Ganon(dorf)- I must take over Hyrule because I'm evil and rawr.

Zelda- I'm a happy girl who gets kidnapped constantly

Link- I am the hero.

It is the basic characters for a princess saving thing.

The only one with a little more backstory is Ganon(dorf) and that is that he was a thief.

Wind Waker deviates from that storyline quite a bit, actually. Zelda is a more dynamic character and Ganondorf actually has some backstory.

I'm not as excited for Twilight Princess as everyone else who owns a Gamecube is, but it still looks pretty good. I just hope horse battles aren't a pain in the ass to control.
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Even in Ocarina of Time, Zelda had a very noticable personality.
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"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

****WW SPOILERS****

i have and i have Tetra and Zelda different because tetra is a descendant of Zelda.
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Today- Snake; Tomorrow- Vivi

I agree, she had a noticable personality in OoT, especially when masquerading as Shiek.
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