I'd like to see Vivi win by 52%+ and enjoy the shock value. However, he'd be lucky to win by more than 51%, so I'll just take a win of any size.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

thats link. Link is different v.v

As long as the match lives up to the hype, I'll be fine either way...but, regardless, go Zelda.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

He had to get 10 votes to Tanner's 1 to increase percentage.

You say that like it's hard to do. >.>

And Vivi is looking good to split the Board vote. In his match with DK, DK didn't come within 47% in the early minutes of the match, despite having 65% of the brackets on his side. However, Zelda is more popular and more liked on the Board than DK is.
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Snake vs. Manny - Bracket: Snake - Vote: Snake (7/8)

pikachu vs master chief would be a full blowout by MC because xbox fanboys vote for anything xbox related while all the anti-voters would simply vote in the poll next to the contest match
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

Tis a good theory, but it doesn't matter, because Link defeated the strongest FF character, did he not? :P That and the fact that Vivi is from FF9 is enough for me.
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Actually, a 10/1 ratio was incorrect. He actually had to get at least 17 of every 18 votes.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

I know it's early to speculate, but what do you think the Vivi/Zelda prediction percentage is? I'd go 60% Zelda.
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vote for vivi.

56% side with Zelda against Vivi, I figure.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

I'd go even as high as 70% for Zelda, especially if DK got 65 last year.
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SC2K5 GAME REPRESENTATION TOURNAMENT
http://boards.gamefaqsascii.com/genmessage.php?board=5552&topic=25560

If DK last year and Ganondorf a couple of matches ago is any indication, I'd expect at least 60% for Zelda, maybe even close to 70.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

As I stated multiple times before this match, you can pretty much rest assured that Manny>Guybrush.

Huh? There's hardly anything that states Manny is stronger than Guybrush. The two should be around the same to the point of calling them equal.

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 2 - (4) Ness
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/135/cunningplan32kw.jpg

Don't forget, Guybrush has had 3 more games than Manny has, and the most recent, Monkey Island 4, was on PS2 as well. I'd say Guybrush would be a little bit more popular than Manny. After all, he can hold his breath for ten minutes.
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SC2K5 GAME REPRESENTATION TOURNAMENT
http://boards.gamefaqsascii.com/genmessage.php?board=5552&topic=25560

manny seems to have stalled snake it been 83.93/16.07 for ages
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

DK is good with the day vote, and Vivi didn't drop too much against him.

I would imagine Zelda being better with the day vote than Donkey Kong too. She should be able to gain quite a bit from it.

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 2 - (4) Ness
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/135/cunningplan32kw.jpg

We all know that KoaC is the weakest character in the tournament. Outside of board 8 no one really cares about KD.
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I don't think Zelda will benefit THAT much from the day vote. Heck, after the morning vote, Ganon lost most of the afternoon vote against Yuna. Vivi is arguably stronger than her and Zelda is definitely weaker than him.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Don't forget, Guybrush has had 3 more games than Manny has, and the most recent, Monkey Island 4, was on PS2 as well.

Yeah, that most certainly helps Guybrush. It isn't as though Grim Fandango is much more popular than the Monkey Island games to begin with. At best, I would imagine Manny being equal to Guybrush -- and I like Manny more than a vast majority of the entrants in the contest.

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 2 - (4) Ness
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/135/cunningplan32kw.jpg

The King wouldn't be the weakest even if he wouldn't be benefitting from Tidus's anti-votes.
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I'm sure more casuals know about KD than Grim Fandago.

Heck, after the morning vote, Ganon lost most of the afternoon vote against Yuna.

Which may play out again. But Zelda will undoubtedly benefit quite a bit from the morning vote. I don't see how that's debatable. Honestly, Zelda isn't going to gain only a little bit from it.

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 2 - (4) Ness
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/135/cunningplan32kw.jpg

the King will do just fine. the weakest looks like Yuri at this point, though we haven't seen 47 in action yet.
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vote for vivi.

Yeah, she'll gain, but if Vivi's already winning when that happens, he can gain all of it back and then some the rest of the day.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

We all know that KoaC is the weakest character in the tournament. Outside of board 8 no one really cares about KD.

Liar! >_>

KD is relatively recent, cult or not. The King should at least be stronger than Manny, for what it's worth >_> maybe at Laharl's level.
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well i'm off to bed. i hope this match lives up to it's hype when i wake up
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

well i'm off to bed. i hope this match lives up to it's hype when i wake up

You know...I'm expecting another FF7/OoT...
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"Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Lunar 2:EB
*Claims KG's Eclair & Millia Rage*

LFL - all cult characters of any worth get assigned to Laharl's spot, as no one can actually surpass Laharl. similar to VFL.

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vote for vivi.

We've also got the LML (Luigi Midcarder Line): All characters thought to be able to do decently are arbitrarily assigned close to his value, though they won't actually reach it (Ridley, Lloyd, etc.).
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Now that I've done a list for how all of Solid's major opponents pre-2k4 would do against him if he was at 30.59% on Link 2k4 (like how Manny would suggest if Manny = Guybrush), I'll compare how they'd all do against unadjusted Solid 2k4, just to show everyone the difference this could make:


If Solid is 30.59% on Link 2k4:
--SFF'd Vivi: Solid gets 58.78%.
--Vivi through DK 2k3: Solid gets 55.64%.
--Zelda: Solid gets 53.84%.
--Alucard 2k3: Solid gets 57.68%.
--Alucard 2k4: Solid gets 54.95%.
--Sora: Solid gets 55.92%.
--Tidus 2k3: Tidus gets 52.11%.
--Tidus 2k4 (no 20XXF): Solid gets 62.7%.
--Bowser 2k3/2k4: Solid gets 52.8%
--Bowser Spring 2k5 (2k4 Seph): Bowser gets 55.41%.
--Ryu: Solid gets 51.23%.

For reference, Solid-though-Manny/Guybrush facing unadjusted Solid 2k4 would go 54.66-45.34.

If Solid is 27.74% (unadjusted) on Link 2k4:
--SFF'd Vivi: Solid gets 54.54%.
--Vivi through DK 2k3: Solid gets 51.08%.
--Zelda: Zelda gets 50.89%.
--Alucard 2k3: Solid gets 53.33%.
--Alucard 2k4: Solid gets 50.32%.
--Sora: Solid gets 51.39%.
--Tidus 2k3: Tidus gets 56.5%.
--Tidus 2k4 (no 20XXF): Solid gets 58.87%.
--Bowser 2k3/2k4: Bowser gets 51.97%
--Bowser Spring 2k5 (2k4 Seph): Bowser gets 59.09%.
--Ryu: Ryu gets 53.52%.

Again, Solid better pray that Manny is at least as strong as Guybrush.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

Bowser Spring 2k5 (2k4 Seph): Bowser gets 55.41%.

Once again, it is completely pointless to use that value.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Not everyone believes that (though I don't think there's anybody in this topic that fully does beleive that, to be fair), so, again, it's just for comparison purposes.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

Nobody in their right mind SHOULD believe that. It puts Bowser way too close to Mario, and he should never get a boost that big from anything. He's too well-established.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

hmm. if Bowser and Zelda face off, who wins? I have no idea how to account for SFF in a match like that.
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vote for vivi.

if Bowser and Zelda face off, who wins?

I would take Bowser and not worry at all.

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 2 - (4) Ness
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/135/cunningplan32kw.jpg

Bowser would win, unless Zelda somehow ran away with the SSBM vote. I'd expect next-to-no SFF though, so I'd take Bowser in a fairly close one.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

I wouldn't expect any "SSBM SFF," as there was none (at least any noticeable) in Bowser/Yoshi and Yoshi/Luigi. It only hurts those whose primary help is Smash Brothers (such as Ness, Marth, Roy, or Game & Watch).
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Zelda would win, easily. If she can beat Snake, I think she can beat Bowser. >_>
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She can't beat Snake, nor will she even beat Vivi.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

If she can beat Snake, I think she can beat Bowser.

There's no guarantee she can beat Snake, even though I hope she does, and there's certainly nothing to say that Bowser isn't stronger than Snake. You're just making some very crazy assumptions thinking their factual.

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 2 - (4) Ness
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/135/cunningplan32kw.jpg

At the same time though, think how loved and used Zelda/Sheik is (mainly Sheik, I know, but work with me) in SSBM...then think about how useless Bowser is in the game, too. Again, I wouldn't expect much/any SFF, but I think Zelda would take the voters' votes who probably have only played SSBM, thus making it closer...

...how many people are actually like that though (only played SSBM and not any Mario/LoZ games) are few and far between though, if I were to guess, thus why I don't necessarily agree with this logic.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

As I've said, Zelda and Bowser don't draw the majority of their fanbase solely from SSBM (I wouldn't even imagine it's a very large portion), so it wouldn't matter.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

how would you account for "SSBM SFF" in Bowser/Yoshi or Yoshi/Luigi? you'd be trying to single it out from the "Mario SFF", and I don't see any way that would be possible unless you had a match before and a match after.

I'm quite the casual player when it comes to SSBM, but Bowser, Yoshi and Luigi suck. Zelda, on the other hand, rules. I could see that helping her. I know you guys don't think performance in battle relates to character strength, but it can't hurt.
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vote for vivi.

Bowser absolutely sucking in Melee didn't stop him from obliterating Ness.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Something else to consider, too (though again, I'm not saying I agree with it): we've seen the damage both Link and Mario can do to characters in their respective series (in this case, both villains)...but as far as seeing what they can do to each other's characters, we've seen Link/Mario (which arguably had no SFF) and Link/Yoshi (where Yoshi got pounded). Neither Ganon nor Zelda has faced any of Mario's characters, and LoZ is generally stronger than Mario in these contests...perhaps they could whip out a small advantage like that in a close match against a Mario character?

Just a thought.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

Luigi is awesome in SSBM.

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 2 - (4) Ness
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/135/cunningplan32kw.jpg

It helps if you're more popular in the first place. If Zelda's not stronger than Bowser already, she wouldn't benefit from any sort of SFF.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Neither Ganon nor Zelda has faced any of Mario's characters,

The only time I would expect them to house an advantage as far as "SFF" is concerned is if they already had an advantage in strength to begin with. Zelda isn't going to get something worth noting against someone like Bowser simply because she's apart of the Zelda series.

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 2 - (4) Ness
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/135/cunningplan32kw.jpg

Neither Ganon nor Zelda has faced any of Mario's characters, and LoZ is generally stronger than Mario in these contests...perhaps they could whip out a small advantage like that in a close match against a Mario character?

that's what I was thinking. when SFF is involved, I generally go with the more popular series, and on this site Zelda > Mario. I think I'd still take Bowser, but it'd be close. plus, there's that whole hero-villain thing that Zelda has on her side, even though she's not the main character.
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vote for vivi.

Oh, and I just checked: according to 2k3 stats, Bowser/Zelda would have Bowser only getting 51.1%...plenty close, and considering LoZ:CE was released since then, it could still be closer even, especially if you don't think Bowser's jump in the Villain Contest is true.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

If the fanbase liked Zelda more than Bowser, she'd likely already be stronger than him already and wouldn't NEED rSFF.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno