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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 170
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/26/2005 5:33:16 PM | Message Detail
At least they don't matter when the character is highly recognizable by name alone.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno
From: Lucid Faia | Posted: 7/26/2005 5:33:53 PM | Message Detail
Pics really dont matter all that much.

The difference they make isn't a large one, but it's still a difference, and it becomes increasingly important in close matches. People DO vote based off of the pic sometimes.

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From: Tediz247 | Posted: 7/26/2005 5:34:31 PM | Message Detail
This is contest STATS and discussion (cause Lopen is funny) and is intended to focus on things that have an effect on the contest.

Forgive me for being ignorant, but was the "and discussion" tacked on to the end by Ulti as some sort of sick joke?
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From: sidharta | Posted: 7/26/2005 5:34:45 PM | Message Detail
I still expect Vivi to take down Zelda. Even with the pic.

Honestly, as long as both chars are recognizable, pic really isn't a factor.
Even then, for super-well-known chars like Zelda, even an unrecognizable pic won't matter.
I'd say both chars look equally good in Vivi vs. Zelda.

Btw, I expect a narrow victory by Zelda.
Though I won't be surprised if Vivi wins.

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Reserved for the winner of the SC2K5 Guru Challenge.
From: NewLib | Posted: 7/26/2005 5:35:38 PM | Message Detail
Please there are much more disgusting matchups than Ganon vs Auron. Both of those characters deserve to win two rounds. However Lloyd beating Wesker, Dante beating Terra (if it happens), Squall beating Geno, and Yoshi beating Ocelot are all disgusting.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/26/2005 5:37:28 PM | Message Detail
Squall beating Geno is the right outcome. I've never seen the big deal about him.

Mallow >> Geno
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno
From: FastFalcon05 | Posted: 7/26/2005 5:37:56 PM | Message Detail
Forgive me for being ignorant, but was the "and discussion" tacked on to the end by Ulti as some sort of sick joke?

No, I think it's always been this way.
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Revenge is a dish best served cold. ~Old Klingon Proverb
From: NewLib | Posted: 7/26/2005 5:38:44 PM | Message Detail
From: Sir Crono

Mallow >> Geno

YOUR OPINION IS NO LONGER VALID
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia
From: FastFalcon05 | Posted: 7/26/2005 5:38:45 PM | Message Detail
I'd say both chars look equally good in Vivi vs. Zelda.

I agree. They're both just sort of standing there.
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Revenge is a dish best served cold. ~Old Klingon Proverb
From: Tediz247 | Posted: 7/26/2005 5:39:13 PM | Message Detail
*hands FastFalcon a sarcasm detector*

Geno seemed generic and boring to me as well, Leon.
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That... was her final mission. And like a true soldier, she saw it through the end.
ZSB [aX]
From: arkenaga | Posted: 7/26/2005 5:39:50 PM | Message Detail
Yes, it is indeed sad that Geno has to go out in the first round. But, as his opponent is Squall, he has no choice.

<3

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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/26/2005 5:40:15 PM | Message Detail
YOUR OPINION IS NO LONGER VALID

Sorry, but there is nothing good about Geno. He's the typical "bad boy" type of character who's overpowered for no reason other than to look cool, and Mario RPG didn't even pull it off well.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno
From: NewLib | Posted: 7/26/2005 5:40:58 PM | Message Detail
I dont care. You can think Geno is overrated. But saying Mallow > Most Anything is a lie.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia
From: FastFalcon05 | Posted: 7/26/2005 5:41:24 PM | Message Detail
Forgive me for being ignorant, but was the "and discussion" tacked on to the end by Ulti as some sort of sick joke?

well, I'll take your sarcasm detector, but granted the joke never registered with me, either.
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Revenge is a dish best served cold. ~Old Klingon Proverb
From: transience | Posted: 7/26/2005 5:41:29 PM | Message Detail
I don't get this 'standing there' argument. what are they supposed to be doing, blowing the living crap out of each other? they're always just standing there.
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/26/2005 5:41:34 PM | Message Detail
Mallow > A lot of things
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/26/2005 5:42:27 PM | Message Detail
I don't get this 'standing there' argument. what are they supposed to be doing, blowing the living crap out of each other? they're always just standing there.

Well, I think it's more of another way of saying it's very plain.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno
From: NewLib | Posted: 7/26/2005 5:42:54 PM | Message Detail
If A lot of things = Rinoa, Selphie, Rosa, Steve from RE:CV, Yuna, and Raiden, then yes I agree. Otherwise, no.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/26/2005 5:43:20 PM | Message Detail
You forgot Geno, too.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno
From: NewLib | Posted: 7/26/2005 5:44:06 PM | Message Detail
No I would have remembered leaving out the greatest doll in gaming history.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia
From: sidharta | Posted: 7/26/2005 5:44:41 PM | Message Detail
I know what is being implied. Reading comprehension involves a skill known as "reading between the lines" and when you posses such a skill (if you should ever come to posses such a skill) then you'll understand that talks of bad pics are directly related to talks of poor performance. It's an implied condition, and frankly anyone who would even remotely imply it are idiots.

Before you call others idiots, look at the mirror.
I have NEVER implied that Snake's pic will hurt him in any way or form.

Btw, I'd rather call your so-called skill "making up bs" than "reading between the lines".

He's butt-ugly, he'll never have a good pic, if it's not at all meant to imply anything to do with the contest (having an effect on it) go vent elsewhere. This is contest STATS and discussion (cause Lopen is funny) and is intended to focus on things that have an effect on the contest.

It's contest stats and DISCUSSION, learn to read, buddy.

It's supposed to be my one-time comment about the match pictures, you blew it out of proportions.

If I have a problem with it you'll becoem regretfully aware soon enough.

By all means try, please!

Make me regret my statements!

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Reserved for the winner of the SC2K5 Guru Challenge.
From: therealmnm | Posted: 7/26/2005 5:44:58 PM | Message Detail
Picture positioning doesn't really matter as long as the picture isn't blatant (i.e. Mega Man blasting Snake's face in, but that picture having an effect is QUESTIONABLE at best).

If the picture is a totally different representation of what a character is known and liked for MAY also play a factor.

But thinking a character has an advantage because he or she looks "cooler" than the other character or saying that one character looks like crap is utterly ridiculous. Especially if the "crappy" picture still looks like the character. For example, if Sephiroth used ONLY had his crappy looking pic against Auron last year, he still would perform nearly the same regardless.
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."
From: transience | Posted: 7/26/2005 5:45:35 PM | Message Detail
the greatest doll in gaming history is Bebedora from Arc the Lad: ToTS.

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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/26/2005 5:46:12 PM | Message Detail
No I would have remembered leaving out the greatest doll in gaming history.

Crono doll > Geno
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno
From: Tequilla Gundam | Posted: 7/26/2005 5:46:27 PM | Message Detail
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From: NewLib | Posted: 7/26/2005 5:46:50 PM | Message Detail
My favorite match pic is Samus/Cloud when Samus had the pic advantage in both of the "Owning" drawings.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia
From: Tediz247 | Posted: 7/26/2005 5:46:50 PM | Message Detail
well, I'll take your sarcasm detector, but granted the joke never registered with me, either.

It was a jab a Chichiri for implying that pics weren't worthy discussion material for this topic, since they have little to do with stats.

Back to Geno, I still have no clue why people like him, other than the fact that he has a 9999 damage attack. I couldn't find anything else to like about him.
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That... was her final mission. And like a true soldier, she saw it through the end.
ZSB [aX]
From: transience | Posted: 7/26/2005 5:48:29 PM | Message Detail
TG, three fourths of the regulars here have you on ignore. the only reason I don't is that I'm at work and don't have the option. the only person that would bother to flame you at this point is yourself.

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From: therealmnm | Posted: 7/26/2005 5:49:03 PM | Message Detail
No I would have remembered leaving out the greatest doll in gaming history.

The Mario Doll that Bowser throws >>>> Geno
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."
From: LordOfDabu | Posted: 7/26/2005 5:49:47 PM | Message Detail
Everyone, I was really impressed with Part 169. Of the 500 posts, 315 of them were either about contest stats or contest discussion!
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/26/2005 5:50:23 PM | Message Detail
The Mario Doll that Bowser throws >>>> Geno

Heh, I really thought about posting that at first instead of the Crono doll.

As I said in the last topic, Ryu firing a Hadouken vs. Bowser throwing Mario = Best match pic EVER.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno
From: Team Rocket Elite | Posted: 7/26/2005 5:51:07 PM | Message Detail
Forgive me for being ignorant, but was the "and discussion" tacked on to the end by Ulti as some sort of sick joke?

No, I think it's always been this way.


Nope, not always. The idea was first proposed by Slowflake during the Spring 2004 Contest.

http://www.sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats4.htm

Scroll down to the 9th post on Page 6.

The topic follwing that one, with the new title, can be found here:
http://www.sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats5.htm
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From: NewLib | Posted: 7/26/2005 5:51:11 PM | Message Detail
Bowser throwing Mario is a thing of beauty.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia
From: Team Rocket Elite | Posted: 7/26/2005 5:53:55 PM | Message Detail
You were here for last topic, right? I can turn this topic into a 500 post flame fest against me at my will. Don't direct me and I won't direct you. Hell, I bet I get some responses from just responding to your post. That's how damn influential I am in this topic.

You're free to try. But you'll probably make some excuse like you don't care enough to actually do it or it's not worth your time.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are bu another reality. Never forget..."
From: NewLib | Posted: 7/26/2005 5:54:48 PM | Message Detail
Remember kiddies, dont feed the troll or Uncle Chichiri will haunt you.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/26/2005 6:01:58 PM | Message Detail
Auron 71.44% 57154
Big Boss 28.56% 22846
TOTAL VOTES 80000
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno
From: Tediz247 | Posted: 7/26/2005 6:03:16 PM | Message Detail
How's this match comparing to Ness/CJ and Mario/Joanna?
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That... was her final mission. And like a true soldier, she saw it through the end.
ZSB [aX]
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/26/2005 6:04:40 PM | Message Detail
At 18:00...

Ness/CJ - 83,828
Zero/Hayabusa - 76,483
Riku/Frog - 76,963
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno
From: King Morgoth | Posted: 7/26/2005 6:13:58 PM | Message Detail
From: solarshadow | Posted: 5/2/2004 6:23:19 PM | Message Detail
We're going through about a topic a week at this point. Four parts is a stats topic record for a single contest. And this one is only half over. My how we've grown...

Wow, insane speed these days compared to what it was....didn't remember the topics being so....slow
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From: yoblazer33 | Posted: 7/26/2005 6:16:58 PM | Message Detail
It seemed like we flew past Part 100 yesterday. Hell, it wasn't even that long ago when we were behind the Home Run Contest topic on the SSBM board. They're barely on Part 108 now.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.
From: transience | Posted: 7/26/2005 6:17:59 PM | Message Detail
reading these things are great. it's amazing how far these things have come. here's my current favourite:

From: cyko | Posted: 5/5/2004 7:47:10 AM | Message Detail
lol, i really did go out on a limb on my SSBM prediction. looks like the limb broke. SSBM vs. Vice City should be a good match after all. now, i really can't see either beating FFX. and i'm not counting out FFX against Wind Waker yet either. after seeing the sales number comparison for Shenmue vs. Skies of Arcadia, Shenmue really might have been the tougher match.


you can't blame the logic, that's for sure.
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/26/2005 6:19:37 PM | Message Detail
Well, the only part of that post that was wrong was SSBM not being able to beat FFX or WW.

If you want to have a good laugh, read pre-Squall/Luigi analysis. And then read their reactions as the match is going on.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno
From: transience | Posted: 7/26/2005 6:21:02 PM | Message Detail
heh, I remember them.. I just wasn't here to read the game contest. in retrospect, that probably would have been the best contest to be on the board for. I hope we have another one without generational divisions, cause that will be a ton of fun.
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From: therealmnm | Posted: 7/26/2005 6:21:51 PM | Message Detail
I thought SSBM winning the division was a no-brainer. It might have been because I don't like FFX....
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/26/2005 6:23:07 PM | Message Detail
Yeah, I had SSBM winning from the start, too, though FFX did worry me. It was the only game in that division that really did.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno
From: Keno316 | Posted: 7/26/2005 6:26:04 PM | Message Detail
Judging from the boards reaction, its gonna be pandemonium if Vivi beats Zelda on Thursday.
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"Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Lunar 2:EB
*Claims KG's Eclair & Millia Rage*
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/26/2005 6:26:47 PM | Message Detail
And I'm gonna love it.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno
From: Keno316 | Posted: 7/26/2005 6:28:03 PM | Message Detail
Oh, I'm definitely gonna enjoy it if Vivi beats Zelda. But I really wouldn't mind if the opposite happened either...
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"Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Lunar 2:EB
*Claims KG's Eclair & Millia Rage*
From: yoblazer33 | Posted: 7/26/2005 6:29:12 PM | Message Detail
I was never too worried about SSBM from the start; it just felt special in that division. Throughout most of the contest, I viewed Chrono Trigger as my "real" risk.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.
From: JonPen1416 | Posted: 7/26/2005 6:30:33 PM | Message Detail
Thinking about it in retrospect, it does seem like it's always a good idea to go with the character you like less when the match is expected to be very close. That way you either get the points or you get to see the character you like more win. No matter who wins in Vivi vs Zelda, I'll be happy. I guess I should have picked Ganondorf after all.
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