We're already around 85k with 7:30 hours to go. Damn this one's gonna reach 110k.
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"Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Lunar 2:EB
*Claims KG's Eclair & Millia Rage*

"but if I wasn't hardcore into MGS I doubt I would know that"

The only game in the series I've ever played is the original and I know that's the art style they use. You don't have to be hardcore in the games if you pay attention to the contest.

"and played the other MGS' the name Big Boss isn't going to stay in your head"

I'd bet most of the MGS3 players got one of the previous games as well.

"So what it comes down to is, I don't think people are gonna recognize him."

I think they will. He won't be above Ocelot or LS but they'll know who he is even if they don't know he is NS.
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"Have you missed me? Was I there? I was dreaming... someone cared" - Iio "Give it Up"

Ganondorf 61.79% 54925
Yuna 38.21% 33963
TOTAL VOTES 88888
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For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to refer to Gordon Freeman versus Tanner as Schrodinger's Match. -Phoenix Flattener

Wow, this topic died....

In other news, there are specifically four potential matches that I can't wait for. In fact, these matches are my biggest reasons for following the contest.

1. Mario vs. Zero. To end this whole thing about Zero dropping or being overrated. Ryu improved just like I thought he would with a more recognizable pic, but now everyone is calling for Zero dropping last year. Mario vs. Zero will prove this BEYOND A DOUBT! And if Zero does better than expected, I don't want to hear ONE WORD about Mario dropping.

2. Bowser vs. Snake. Blah blah... don't care if Snake's drop is legit or not... blah blah... don't care about MGS3. If Bowser beats Snake, I don't care WHAT else happens in this contest.

3. Vincent vs. Magus. To verify how strong the FF7 train is. If Vincent beats Magus, it would pretty much confirm that FF7 >>> ANYTHING else Square.

4. Tifa vs. Sonic. See #3. Also to see if Tifa is indeed more popular than Aeris.

Those are the only matches I really care about, although I'd like to see how these characters perform leading up to those matches, and also would like to see my other favorite characters do well (Knux, Sonic, Vivi, Link). But those are the main matches I am interested in.
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Fortunately, #3 isn't going to happen.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

That's a good list, though I'd definitely add Auron vs. Ganon to that list. As well as the whole Mario/Samus/Crono thing and Link vs. Cloud.
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Heh, but Squall > Magus is going to happen instead?
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Well, I'm just waiting for Zelda/Vivi more cause that's just gonna be a close match...
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"Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Lunar 2:EB
*Claims KG's Eclair & Millia Rage*

Squall > Magus and Squall > Vincent, mind you.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

"Fortunately, #3 isn't going to happen."

You can't say that for sure yet.
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"Love forever, love is free. Let’s turn forever you and me." - Gorillaz "Fell Good INC"

If you have Squall > Magus, you should have Vincent > Squall...

It's "Love forever, love is free. Let's turn forever you and me." Gorillaz ~ "Feel Good INC"
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Summer 2005 Contest Score : 5/5
Rank : 1/33793 Today: Frog Tomorrow: Ganondorf

I still can't believe how little support Dante has...
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Raiden fact of the contest: Alucard is a plagiarist, this year Raiden will prove it!

90k! 10k to go with 6 hours left!
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"Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Lunar 2:EB
*Claims KG's Eclair & Millia Rage*

Ganondorf 61.75% 55581
Yuna 38.25% 34425
TOTAL VOTES 90006

Only 10K more....
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Ganondorf vs. Yuna - Bracket: Ganon - Vote: Ganon (5/6)

Aeris is my ENTIRE basis for Vincent > Magus. Aeris is right up there with Magus in 2k3. And I personally think Magus has a WHOLE lot more going for him in terms of being likeable. So if Aeris can be as strong as he is, I don't see why Vincent and Tifa wouldn't be as strong as her, if not stronger.

I also haven't seen ANY indication that Aeris is more popular than Tifa and Vincent. All of the polls point to the latter two being more popular. And even if Cloud and Sephiroth had the majority of the votes, if someone likes Cloud or Sephiroth the most in the game, I would see them liking Vincent more than Aeris. That's just my opinion though.

Another thing that pushed me in Vincent's favor is Aeris/Sora. I would think that Vincent and Magus would be around the same strength. Aeris is around Sora's stregnth and she KILLED Sora with SFF. And I hardly think that Aeris is that much more likeable than Sora seeing how a lot of the voters liked Sora enough to give him his strength in 2k4. That being said, I would attribute Aeris/Sora to the power of the popularity of FF7. Of course Chrono Trigger is more popular than Kingdom Hearts. But if there was ANY SFF in Vincent/Magus, I would think that it would go to Vincent... especially after seeing that Magus IS capable of being SFFd (even though it was from his own lead). But nevertheless, you can't show any weaknesses in a close match.
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Yeah... spelling mistake. Took me forever to figure out what part was wrong since I knew the lyrics weren't and couldn't understand why you were correcting me.
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"Love forever, love is free. Let’s turn forever you and me." - Gorillaz "Feel Good INC"

Like I said before... Vincent has the exact same appeal as Dante, but with the FF7 pedigree. Seeing how FF7 is much more popular than Devil May Cry, I would give Vincent the edge in that match by default. Not to mention that I think Vincent is around Magus's strength anyways, so he also beats Dante by default based on that.

I know I'm sounding like Heroic Mario regarding Vincent. But to tell you the truth, I don't even LIKE Vincent. I would vote for Dante, Squall, AND Magus over Vincent should they meet. But I think that Vincent would beat Magus, and apparently it's enough of an upset to separate me from the pack.
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I still can't believe how little support Dante has...

Well, he's already at a big disadvantage against Squall and Magus, and DMC3 didn't sell well enough to merit a large boost.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Yuna's percentage continues to go up. With the night vote, she ought to be able to get at least 38.5% before all is said and done.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Well, she's climbed .3% in the past 3 hours. 6 hours left means she might get close to 39%.
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"Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Lunar 2:EB
*Claims KG's Eclair & Millia Rage*

Still only two days left until the first great match of the contest. Hopefully, Vivi can take down Zelda.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 6/7 points
Current Match Prediction: Auron vs. Big Boss

I wonder who the board favourite is between Vivi and Zelda?
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Zelda's the board favorite by far.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 6/7 points
Current Match Prediction: Auron vs. Big Boss

Yeah...Yuna is definitely getting past 38.5% before this is over...
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"Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Lunar 2:EB
*Claims KG's Eclair & Millia Rage*

Actually, I would say that Vivi is the board favorite.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Awesome, we can't even agree on who the board favorite is.

I say Zelda, but when the poll goes up, it's probably going to be split.
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Ganondorf vs. Yuna - Bracket: Ganon - Vote: Ganon (5/6)

I think Zelda will get a 55-45 lead, maybe more, due to bracket voting. I'd say they're about equal, as Vivi >>> Yuna and Ganon > Zelda.
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And that's a big underperformance by Ganon, at least according to their respective 2k3 stats.

Yuna is only supposed to get a little more than 34%.

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Just based on my contest, Vivi > Zelda here. This board has been big on FFIX lately, for whatever the reason, too.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

At least if Vivi is the board favorite, it makes me feel somewhat better about Vivi's chances. And the match will be close no matter who wins. I'd say it won't go above 52% for whoever wins.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 6/7 points
Current Match Prediction: Auron vs. Big Boss

I think (and am counting that) Vivi will beat Zelda with a very marginal lead. These 4 seed vs 5 seed battles really are the most interesting.
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Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 7/7 in the summer contest so far, Go Auron!.

Just based on my contest, Vivi > Zelda here. This board has been big on FFIX lately, for whatever the reason, too.

I doubt that, not too many people care for Zidane.
And IIRC more people picked Zelda on the BOP.

Even if that's true, Zelda's mainstream appeal would be too much to handle for poor Vivi.

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I doubt that, not too many people care for Zidane.

I didn't say Zidane. I said FFIX.

Even so, Zidane made it to the finals of a big Final Fantasy character contest here, too, somehow.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

The BOP definitely favored Zelda. It's not surprising after what happened in the Spring with Kuja.

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Oh. My. God.
Did the PS2's light just change color...?!

Even if that's true, Zelda's mainstream appeal would be too much to handle for poor Vivi.

And honestly, people need to get over the idea that Final Fantasy IX isn't mainstream. Yes, it's not as popular as FFVI, FFVII, or FFX, but then again, most games aren't. He's not going to lose to Zelda due to a lack of mainstream appeal.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Before SFF, I believe that Zelda could do better than 56.5-43.5 on Donkey Kong, which is what Vivi did. Zelda should take it, probably in a match similar to Frog/Riku.
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Zelda/Vivi is the best round 1 match just because of its appeal as Nintendo vs. Square. TV/Kefka or Luigi/KOS-MOS can't say that, though KOS-MOS is close to being a Square character.
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You shouldn't feel bad about your Vivi>Zelda pick. There was absolutely no SFF adjustment made for the Vivi/Sephiroth match, so Vivi could be potentially stronger than people expect.
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Never forget. Never forgive.

Even if that's true, Zelda's mainstream appeal would be too much to handle for poor Vivi.

Who's to say that Vivi doesn't have mainstream appeal? He already proved himself by scoring over 57% on DK (which was better than what Tommy V. did a year earlier). Vivi also has the Black Mage Factor going for him, so even those who haven't played FF9 might vote for Vivi because of his image.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 6/7 points
Current Match Prediction: Auron vs. Big Boss

speaking of FF9, I've been thinking about Crono/Zidane; specifically, how badly will Zidane be beaten? I've seen it said that newschool Square and oldschool Square don't SFF each other that badly, which makes me wonder if Zidane can avoid a tripling. of all the oracle matches, I have no idea what to put for that match.
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So does anyone have any theories on today's vote totals? Are they hidden deep in this topic somewhere? Doesn't seem like the type of match to draw so many... Nintendo vs. Square factor, maybe?
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if Zidane can avoid a tripling

He won't. Overall this website despises FFIX. Its characters aren't prototypical "badasses" that appeal to homophobic teenage boys, and overall the game adopts a "fairytale" storybook vibe. Expect Zidane to recieve a royal ass kicking from Mr. DBZ.
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5/18/05
Never forget. Never forgive.

I didn't say Zidane. I said FFIX.

Even so, Zidane made it to the finals of a big Final Fantasy character contest here, too, somehow.

And honestly, people need to get over the idea that Final Fantasy IX isn't mainstream. Yes, it's not as popular as FFVI, FFVII, or FFX, but then again, most games aren't. He's not going to lose to Zelda due to a lack of mainstream appeal.

Reply the whole thing in ONE post please, you're confusing me.

My point is, if noone cares for a game's LEAD, what are the chances of people actually caring about that game as a whole?
I'd say slim at best.

Btw, I've never heard of said FF char contest, or at least I don't remember.

For proof that FF IX isn't all that mainstream, just look at Kuja.
He lost to a joke entrant.

Who's to say that Vivi doesn't have mainstream appeal? He already proved himself by scoring over 57% on DK (which was better than what Tommy V. did a year earlier). Vivi also has the Black Mage Factor going for him, so even those who haven't played FF9 might vote for Vivi because of his image.

I never said that Vivi doesn't have mainstream appeal, it's just that Zelda has him beat hands down in it.

The real question is whether or not those who know Zelda cared about her.

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Nah, the site doesn't despise FFIX. It's merely indifferent to it. For the record, Crono would be expected to get 64% against Vivi. I think Zidane can at least manage 30%, as long as there's no SFF.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

My point is, if noone cares for a game's LEAD, what are the chances of people actually caring about that game as a whole?
I'd say slim at best.

*points to FFX and KH*
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

For proof that FF IX isn't all that mainstream, just look at Kuja.
He lost to a joke entrant.

Look at Ansem. He almost lost to a joke entrant. That doesn't mean that KH isn't mainstream. Games =/= characters.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 6/7 points
Current Match Prediction: Auron vs. Big Boss

To tell you the pure truth, Squall has a very good shot at Magus and will probably win. Square SFF is a lot more rare than Nintendo SFF, and the voters generally prefer leads over secondary characters.

~*ST*~
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"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

well, looking at the stats, I'd place Zidane somewhere between Ramza (his floor) to Squall (his ceiling). before SFF, Ramza would get 29.25%, and Squall 41.59%. (2003 values of everyone). now if Squall got 29.08% SFF in his 2k4 match vs. Cloud and we assume the same would happen vs. Crono (unlikely, but we have no other data to go on), our range goes from 20.74 to 29.5%. ew. I think I did those numbers right.
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The overlap between FFVII and FFVIII is a lot bigger than the overlap between FFVIII and CT. It's unreasonable to think there'd be anywhere near that much SFF, if any at all.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Look at Ansem. He almost lost to a joke entrant. That doesn't mean that KH isn't mainstream. Games =/= characters.


FF series SPOILERS:

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Ansem isn't a good comparison for Kuja though, since he only appears at the end of KH, just like FF IX's Necron.
A better comparison for Kuja would be FF VIII'S Ultimecia.

Although games =/= chars, it shouldn't be as bad as to the point that the game's main villain would lose to a mere joke entrant.

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