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Are you SERIOUSLY thinking that Alucard would gain from Aria of Sorrow or Dawn of Sorrow? Most likely, only people that have played Symphony of the Night would know that he was Alucard in that game. The game never explicitly says who he is.

That being said, I doubt his role in Aria of Sorrow would cause many people to vote for him when they wouldn't vote for him after Symphony of the Night...
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I don't know why some people would honestly disregard that.

You're right in that Yuna probably saw some increase from FFX-2, but, it wasn't a very well-received game from the gaming populace, from what I hear and see. The Final Fantasy X FAQs and message boards get more love from this site's viewers. Not to mention Yuna wasn't really the most striking of characters, both visually and personally. If it wasn't for her origins in FFX, she wouldn't be that much different from your bland heroine.
A 3% increase does sound reasonable, though.

Of course, there's always the possibility Tifa bombs and barely escapes, or even loses to Luigi, but that's difficult to see happening.

Actually, now thinking about that, I wouldn't rule out that possibility. Luigi could have gained popularity with his awesome performance in Paper Mario 2.
Tifa, though has some serious potential. She cannot be that far from Aeris's level, and I'm getting worried that she very well might be above it. She is the main female lead in VII, and that has to get her at least in the top 20 characters. Not to mention having ****ing planets for breasts doesn't hurt.
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Hmm...

Using 2k4 Ganon(Pre-Villians Contest) ~ Ganon is underperforming by 3%... Now if you think Ganon is stronger than his value(using the Villians Contest as your argument).
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Villains Contest Ganon ~ VC Ganon is 3% stronger than 2k4 Ganon...VC Ganon is underperforming by a whole 6%..You can't attribute all 6% to FFX-2...

So either..

1) Ganon is actually near his 2k4 level and NOT his Villians Contest level

2) FFX-2 made up 6% for Yuna..

I would go with Choice 1..However, that makes Bowser look quite weak....Ganon's underperformance is starting to put Bowser in danger of losing to Ryu..I would throw his chances against Snake away right now..
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Aeris DID get 47% on Sonic...but that was also Sonic's worst year. I have good faith in Tifa being stronger than Aeris, but I don't think it'll be enough to pull such a huge upset off.
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1) Ganon is actually near his 2k4 level and NOT his Villians Contest level

2k3 level, actually.
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Ganondorf's percentage in the last hour: 64.10%. And the day vote isn't even in full swing yet.
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Putting Ganon near his 2k3 level is no problem, he will just get 2-3% less against Samus..However, if the Villians Contest was some kind of fluke(which it is according to this match), then Bowser retains his 2k3 level which puts him below Ryu and a good deal behind Snake..
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I would throw his chances against Snake away right now..

Why is that? Snake may very well not even be at his adjusted ranking to begin with. That means, even with MGS3 boost, he would be playing catch up to Bowser, as opposed to the other way around.

Ganon in the Spring Contest showed a minimal increase if you look at it from the most reasonable point of view, which Sephiroth decreasing, Ganon increasing marginally, and Bowser having a noticeable yet reasonable increase.

There's hardly anything to say that Bowser doesn't stand a chance against Snake. In fact, given some recent events, I would say Bowser is looking good to beat Snake.

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Ganondorf's percentage in the last hour: 64.10%

He needs to keep that up. <3

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Saying Ganondorf increased by his performance in the villain contest seems unreasonable to me from this. But at the least, Bowser still looks decent at least because he played Sephiroth right before Ganondorf and did better in comparison to Ganondorf than what he would have been expected to.

Whether it's legit or not, who knows. But it's not farfetched.


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This could also mean that Seph's Spring Contest performances were more of a drop from him than a rise for the other two.

Goooo Samus!
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I would doubt a Ganon increase as well, but it wasn't by very much to begin with, unless you think Sephiroth remained the same, which is insanity.

From these results, I do find it reasonable to think that Ganon is very close to his 2003 value, though. Most of this showing can be attributed to Yuna increasing as opposed to Ganon decreasing, as its a reasonable increase.

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Clearly there was tons of anti-Seph sentiment in that contest. Being the only who who could possible even come CLOSE to winning in the slightest. At least every character in the regular character contest has some kind of rival that can beat him or her.
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TRE was doing this earlier... <3

Link vs. Cloud @ 9:15 - 45997
Ganondorf vs. Yuna @ 9:15 - 41276
Ness vs. CJ @ 9:15 - 38086

^_^

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Ganondorf 62% 25733
Yuna 38% 15771
TOTAL VOTES 41504

Ganon hits 62%!

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I just got back home after one kickass night and a ****ing half, and DAYUM did Riku make it close.

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From: Master Moltar | Posted: 7/25/2005 9:58:14 AM | Message Detail | #312
This could also mean that Seph's Spring Contest performances were more of a drop from him than a rise for the other two.
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Bowser isn't looking "good" to beat Snake..I would compare his chances of beating Snake to the same or maybe even less than Auron beating Ganondorf or Squall beating Magus..
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err Bowser is the one playing catchup..and with Ganon's showing making him look weaker....

Bowser is 3% behind in the X-Stats to begin with..Factor in Snake's inevitable MGS3 boost and Bowser looking weaker..

You do the math.
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I just got back home after one kickass night and a ****ing half, and DAYUM did Riku make it close.

He got over 48%
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Bowser won't make it to Snake.

Ryu for the win!
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Summer 2005 Contest - 5/6 points
Current Match Prediction: Ganondorf vs. Yuna

2k3 Ganondorf:
28 Dante 26.84
29 Kirby 26.84
30 Knuckles 26.70
Yuna 26.33
31 Liquid Snake 26.28
32 Tommy Vercetti 25.49
33 Donkey Kong 25.34

2k3 Yuna:
15 Bowser 32.10
16 Ryu 31.55
17 Aeris Gainsborough 31.28
Ganondorf 31.20
18 Tidus 30.64
19 Shadow 30.52
20 Zelda 30.29

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Knuckles > Yuna. This is indisputable fact.
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Aeris DID get 47% on Sonic...but that was also Sonic's worst year. I have good faith in Tifa being stronger than Aeris, but I don't think it'll be enough to pull such a huge upset off.

I emphasize that I doubt that Sonic was "less popular" that year. It was his worst year because he went up directly against the Cloud bandwagon, a la Bowser. That being said, I think all of Sonic's matchups were legit (he just really sucks against Cloud). Direct matchups are much easier to trust than trying to compare characters across the XStats.
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Ganondorf's percentage in the last half hour: 64.71%.
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Bowser won't make it to Snake.

Ryu for the win!

Ryu won't either

Tidus > Ryu > Bowser
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Heh, nice how it works out. Yuna under her 2003 opponent, and Ganon right over his.
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You've really gotta trust the 2k3 Yuna more. 2k3 Dorf puts Yuna way too close to Knuckles.
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Staring in a game when you were only in one before will give you a boost, no matter if this board hates it or not.
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If we assume that SC2K3 Ganondorf is accurate, and the rest of the underperformance today is due to FFX-2, and figure Sephiroth's Spring 2005 value that way, and thereby also Bowser's value, we get the result that Bowser would get 33.57 on '03 Link, which is higher than both Ryu and Snake with 20XXDF.
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The villain contest is messed up, but I think Seph Vs. Ganondorf and Seph Vs. Bowser gives a decent indication of their strength in comparison to each other even if all the other results are wack.

Even with Ganondorf not showing an increase, if you adjust Bowser's performance to Sp2K4 Ganondorf assuming it equals 2K3 Ganondorf, he's going 50-50 with a Solid Snake adjusted for SFF. Technically he's about a 1% favorite. Not to mention UNADJUSTED Snake.

Sure, Bowser will always be the underdog and I personally don't think it would happen since that's before MGS3. But I'm not counting it out.
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You've really gotta trust the 2k3 Yuna more. 2k3 Dorf puts Yuna way too close to Knuckles.

If you ask me, putting Ganondorf under Bowser is even more suspect.
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Not to mention that if Ganondorf continues to rise, Yuna will fall further and further from Knuckles anyway.
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From: red sox 777 | Posted: 7/25/2005 10:32:24 AM | Message Detail | #331
If we assume that SC2K3 Ganondorf is accurate, and the rest of the underperformance today is due to FFX-2, and figure Sephiroth's Spring 2005 value that way, and thereby also Bowser's value, we get the result that Bowser would get 33.57 on '03 Link, which is higher than both Ryu and Snake with 20XXDF.

Except you know...

2k3 Ganon isn't accurate; He could be weaker...
An underperformance can't be TOTALLY on FFX-2; There is a good mixture of both : FFX-2 and Ganon being overrated
Sephiroth's Spring 2005 value is flawed..you know that.

You basically gave Ganon the benefit of the doubt on ALL 3 situations..If you point all the factors to one character, of course, they will seem strong as hell..Using Shadow, you can prove Tidus > Mario if you wanted..
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Summer 2005 Contest Score : 6/6
Rank : 1/33793 Today: Ganondorf Tomorrow: Auron

Maybe Ganondorf is just weaker against FFX.... Tidus was strong against him and then fell off the next year. Yuna is doing better than expected. Ganondorf vs. Auron???

DUN dun DUNNNNNNNNNNN

Not that I really believe that... Just starting a conspiracy theory....
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As far as Snake goes...there's still the problem that a sprite pic round is going to come around sooner or later. His best hope would be for it to come in a third round matchup against Sora or Alucard...but if it came up in a quarterfinals match with Bowser, or a second round match against Vivi, Snake's gonna have a lot to worry about.
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Using Shadow, you can prove Tidus > Mario if you wanted..

No you can't, because Tidus already beat Shadow with under 51%.
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From: therealmnm | Posted: 7/25/2005 10:41:45 AM | Message Detail | #336
Maybe Ganondorf is just weaker against FFX.... Tidus was strong against him and then fell off the next year. Yuna is doing better than expected. Ganondorf vs. Auron???

DUN dun DUNNNNNNNNNNN

Not that I really believe that... Just starting a conspiracy theory....

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Heh, Auron vs Ganon should be good :)
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Summer 2005 Contest Score : 6/6
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If you ask me, putting Ganondorf under Bowser is even more suspect.

There's also the possibility that Bowser will drop too. But then again, there's yet another possibility that Knuckles will rise. Yeesh.
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If Dante can go up over 3% from 2002 to 2003 with nothing inbetween but DMC2, why the hell can't Yuna go up by less than 2 and a half for FFX-2?
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From: swirldude | Posted: 7/25/2005 10:43:06 AM | Message Detail | #338
Using Shadow, you can prove Tidus > Mario if you wanted..

No you can't, because Tidus already beat Shadow with under 51%.

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I saw it on the board last year where someone proved Tidus > Mario tilting various factors towards Tidus of course..He used Tidus' performance against Ganon and Mario's perf against Shadow..I don't remember how he did it but it was damn entertaining..

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Summer 2005 Contest Score : 6/6
Rank : 1/33793 Today: Ganondorf Tomorrow: Auron

Maybe Ganondorf is just weaker against FFX.... Tidus was strong against him and then fell off the next year. Yuna is doing better than expected. Ganondorf vs. Auron???

DUN dun DUNNNNNNNNNNN

Not that I really believe that... Just starting a conspiracy theory....

If that were true and he underperformed about the same between Yuna & Tidus, that would still put Tidus at around Auron's level about Bowser and Ryu
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I find it funny that the only two matches that have gone according to expectations so far are the two blowouts.
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From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 7/25/2005 10:51:12 AM | Message Detail | #344
I find it funny that the only two matches that have gone according to expectations so far are the two blowouts.
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Yep, proves how little we(the board gurus) truly know..The predictions from the stats are just nuts...

Wesker overperforming by 10%+
Riku overperforming by 10%+
Ryu overperforming by 3%
Yuna overperforming by 3%
Ness winning...

The only things we got were the blowouts (Samus > Yuri ; Mario > JD)

This is making the X-Stats look unreliable..3% is so much in this contest :(


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Summer 2005 Contest Score : 6/6
Rank : 1/33793 Today: Ganondorf Tomorrow: Auron

You can also prove CATS > Link. It's not like any of those bizarre claims are true, direct matchups are much more accurate.
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10% is too. >_>


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Well, both Zero and Frog were involved in Mega's Division last year, and Yuna missed 2004, so we had to rely on her old pre-FFX-2 numbers.
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Well. The only things so far that have been really off for me was Ness Vs. CJ. CJ being outperformed by Jak is something I completely discounted as a possiblity.

And Lloyd Vs. Wesker. I knew people that thought that Mithos could beat Wesker just because "the stats say so" were crazy, but I was still expected 59ish.
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Ganondorf's showing doesn't make Bowser over Snake bad, everyone in the 20XX division is doing around expected, if this is true, Snake is already below Bowser 2k3 level, Snake has th be the one catching up. ;/
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Bracket: Ganondorf - Vote: Ganondorf Points: 5/6