I'm thinking enough saw what Frog did last year for Frog to have the majority of the brackets... not by a huge margin, though.

Me too; I stick with my original 52% prediction for bracket-support.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

Pikachu! Show me your Summer Contest trophies!
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Obviously LoZ Collection outsold them, but still, we have no proof that collections actually increase a characters strength.

It greatly outsold them. And was packaged with the GameCube. That is the very large difference.

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Yeah, because sales automatically mean a quality title. Uh-huh.

Did I ever say that? Did I ever imply that? No, I did not.

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Didn't most people already have their GameCubes by that point?
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Pikachu! Show me your Summer Contest trophies!

Heh.

It greatly outsold them. And was packaged with the GameCube. That is the very large difference.

I concur.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

Didn't most people already have their GameCubes by that point?

Uh, my God.

Listen, during the time that it was packaged with the GCN, it sold 1.5 million copies/systems.

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 2 - (4) Ness
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Well HM, it'd make sense that you've heard more negatives about The Wind Waker, considering that's the one you've played/have interest in. I'm sure you've heard more good about it too.

Seriously, how many "outside of board 8" sources do you have on FFX-2? Probably not many. They're both pretty similar, and I'd put my money on FFX-2 having more haters, but I'm not going to start a debate on that.
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Didn't most people already have their GameCubes by that point?

It doesn't matter, really; if five billion people had a Gamecube at that time, it still wouldn't change the fact that one or two million Gamecubes were still sold afterwards with LoZ:CE.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

I used to frequent a big FF fansite before I started coming here regularly. Back when FFX-2 was released, most of the FFX fans ate it up (and they still do, from what I've seen when I occasionally still visit). Of course, there were a few naysayers, but that's with any game.
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Did I ever imply that?

Actually, yes. You defended WW, then brought up FFX-2 and its sales.

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"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Uh, my God.

Listen, during the time that it was packaged with the GCN, it sold 1.5 million copies/systems.

Oh, ok. <_<
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Seriously, how many "outside of board 8" sources do you have on FFX-2? Probably not many.

Only from a few select boards, which includes the FFX-2 board, but they aren't the entire world or anything. But the most negative I have heard of FFX-2 actually comes from this board. The TWW hate I saw came from here, its own board, and a few choice Nintendo boards. Obviously, it's nothing that is something to take that seriously, but I never saw a hatred of it outside of here -- FFX-2 that is.

But regardless, I don't see why FFX-2 wouldn't help someone who has only appeared in one game and is significantly weaker than Link. It isn't just another entry featuring the same character, like with the TWW. But, eh, we'll see.

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Just wondering, but why is just about every case of underperformace or overperformace reffered to as SFF? And if all under/overperformaces have to be SFF, doesn't that make WDF a case of rSFF under a different name?
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No, everything has to be SFF. We can't just have an inexplicable anomaly.
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Actually, yes. You defended WW, then brought up FFX-2 and its sales.

I brought its sales up, yes. It's always nice to have a comparison between how the previous game sold and how the game in question sold. I never stated that FFX-2 was a quality game or that it was anything like that. I even stated multiple times that I haven't ever played the game.

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 2 - (4) Ness
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Here is probably the more credible source for opinions on new games anyway. One who frequents the FFX board is likely to be voting Yuna regardless, same with Link.
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Raiden fact of the contest: Alucard is a plagiarist, this year Raiden will prove it!

Apparently eveything in life must have an explaination.
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Personally, I try to keep myself from calling certain under-performances SFF (like Mega/Tidus)...that's actually a kinky way of thinkin' with Link/Sephiroth though; I haven't called it be called rSFF yet. The thing on that, though (at least to my understanding), is that WDF is more of a huge backlash of votes against an all-Nintendo final than rSFF.

Essentially the same, with only the intentions being different, really.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

And if all under/overperformaces have to be SFF, doesn't that make WDF a case of rSFF under a different name?

That's it! Samus was able to rSFF both Sonic and Sephiroth due to Super Metroid and Smash Brothers being so close to the 2D Sonic games and FF7!

Obvious SFF, just like Link/Mega Man!

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"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

I even stated multiple times that I haven't ever played the game.

And believe me, you really don't want to.

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is that WDF is more of a huge backlash of votes against an all-Nintendo final than rSFF.

Then wasn't there a WDF in 2k3
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17 handhelds Nintendo has taken down 1 more to go (see quote for rest)

Which is something else I've brought up before when I didn't believe in WDF. Looking at it now though, Mega Man DID make a hefty drop.....
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

As a side-note, I'm watching Dilbert right now...and it just had a quick scene where abunch of useless bull****-reasoning was made up on the spot and used to explain how one blurry star in a picture of the sky had to be beaming with life-forms. It reminded me alot of some of the factors we make (and yes, I know I can be bad for it on occasion, too, heh).
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

How much did Zero/Ryu cap off at? Is this one past it already?
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*Claims KG's Eclair & Millia Rage*

91k IIRC
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91278
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Next victim: Master Ness

Hah, guess what, I just played CT on a rom for the first time today. Man that is an incredible game. I would now vote for Frog if I had played it earlier. But, I just had to check out the game after today, to see just how cool Frog was.
Although, Frog still won't be getting my vote over Samus...
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You have no chance to survive make your time.

This one will cap off at 94k...not bad...
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"Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Lunar 2:EB
*Claims KG's Eclair & Millia Rage*

Man that is an incredible game.

You disgust me.
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5/18/05
Never forget. Never forgive.

Uh huh. Yep, I disgust you. That's great.
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Vote for Yoshi
You have no chance to survive make your time.

The fight for 94k 12 min. less then 300 votes left
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Man that is an incredible game.

You are an enlightened one.
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"Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Lunar 2:EB
*Claims KG's Eclair & Millia Rage*

prediction- Ganon with 57.2%
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The Ohio State: We are so much better than m*ch!g@n. ^_^

CT's not a bad game...but as a casual RPG player, there's others I enjoy more: FF7, SMRPG, and FF3/6 are three that come to mind.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

While I will agree that the only things about CT that stand out are Magus and the battle system, it doesn't stop me from loving the game.

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"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

And I am content in saying the only thing that's good about Chrono Trigger is Lucca, and the fact that it spawned a sequel that has one of the greatest soundtracks ever composed.
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5/18/05
Never forget. Never forgive.

130 till 94k
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100 votes to go. And 7 minutes. Piece of cake.
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"Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Lunar 2:EB
*Claims KG's Eclair & Millia Rage*

Ganondorf with 70%. </totally unfounded prediction>

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 2 - (4) Ness

Ganon with 63%.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

Frog with 47.12%
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Ganondorf vs. Yuna - Bracket: Ganon - Vote: Ganon (5/6)

And I am content in saying the only thing that's good about Chrono Trigger is Lucca, and the fact that it spawned a sequel that has one of the greatest soundtracks ever composed.

Haha, you sound like me.

I'll say Yuna gets 43%.
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55.11% of brackets with Frog advancing, I wager.
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Ganon with 67%.

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and Ganon with 65%
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Ganondorf vs. Yuna - Bracket: Ganon - Vote: Ganon (5/6)

>.>
<.<
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Flee back to your masters, Aldaris, and huddle with them in darkness! For your actions shall set us all unto the Zerg! ~ Tassadar

Tifa >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vincent.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

Mario > Samus >>>>>>>>>>> Crono
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Mario is Winnar
Next victim: Master Ness

Donkey Kong > Magus

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 2 - (4) Ness