Ansem's performance against CATS.

A better example would be his performance against Ganon.

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Riku 38.36% 832
Frog 61.64% 1337
TOTAL VOTES 2169
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Sora/Riku share a very similar relationship with Tidus/Auron and Kratos/Lloyd. Don't see why it's so far fetched.

We don't have anything solid on Tidus, Auron, Lloyd or Kratos.
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2004 called. They want their obvious back.

Good so we won't discuss it until Riku breaks that number.

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The whole villain contest was a joke, don't look into it too much.

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From: Tjian | Posted: 7/24/2005 3:17:39 AM | Message Detail | #096
Can someone give me a quick summary of Riku's involvement in Kh?

He's the best character in the game.

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Well lots of people seem to think Auron would beat Tidus and Kratos will be as strong or around Lloyd's strength.

From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 7/24/2005 12:10:51 AM | #075
Frog is pretty stable around 62.5%, and I fully expect him to be at ~57% by the end of the day.

And even when he does, I still think that people are massively underestimating the CT characters in this contest.

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Cheh. I hope so. My oracle skills have proven me to be horrifically incompetent so far. At least if it goes down to that, I can gain several places (made allowable by previous errors >_>)...

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Yeah...Frog will definitely be around 55% by the end...
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And hell, there's likely to be a bit (not much, but this is Square vs. Square) of SFF mixed in here too. What level would Riku be around if he got 40% on Frog (ignoring any possible mitigating factors)?
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Just out of curiosity what's an unadjusted static frog suppsoed to get on a static Sora?

50%. Seriously.
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From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 7/24/2005 1:19:48 AM | Message Detail

He's the best character in the game.

Fair enough.
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Just out of curiosity what's an unadjusted static frog suppsoed to get on a static Sora?

Sora would get 50.01% against an unadjusted Frog.

Using Frog's adjusted value, Frog would get 54.97% against Sora.

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Well lots of people seem to think Auron would beat Tidus and Kratos will be as strong or around Lloyd's strength.

I don't know much about ToS because I haven't played it, but with SFF factored in, I can't see how Auron wouldn't slaughter Tidus.
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And hell, there's likely to be a bit (not much, but this is Square vs. Square) of SFF mixed in here too. What level would Riku be around if he got 40% on Frog (ignoring any possible mitigating factors)?

If there was SFF, Frog would be going HIGHER. Unless we actually have a case of rSFF here...
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For some reason, I have this weird feeling Frog Vs Sora would go similar to Frog VS MC, dunno why.
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I guess this really doesn't tell us much about megaman vs. link SFF existing or not. Not et at least. I'd like to see Riku get about 45% just so that it makes that SFF look false again.
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That's probably because if you don't adjust Frog, he would have one of those insanely close matches with Sora like he did against Master Chief.


Wait, wait, not adjusting Mega Man?! Why, who would have thought of that?

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What level would Riku be around if he got 40% on Frog (ignoring any possible mitigating factors)?

Around Luigi, which I can actually see.

And damn, Square SFF is fickle as all hell.

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If there was SFF, Frog would be going HIGHER. Unless we actually have a case of rSFF here...

Keep in mind that CT came out, what, ten years ago as opposed to Kingdom Hearts about two-three years ago...and that KH sold about 4,000,000 copies, too.
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Riku's up to 39%

Riku in KH? *SPOIELRS*




Riku is the original weilder of the Keyblade, but since he chose to follow darkness, it chose Sora. He then joins evil so he can find Kairi, (He though Sora abandoned him) and evntaully finds her and tries to get her heart back.

When you get to Hollow Bastion, Riku comes and claims the Keyblade, so Donald and Goofy leave with him as he walks away. Eventaully you fight him, and win and get the Keyblade back, and Riku upset that he was beaten, fuses with Ansem for more power, but Ansem is doing ti to get a body.

So when Ansem takes Riku, he gves him the Keyblade of Chaos, and battles Sora again, and then you don't see Riku until the very end when he helps Sora close the door to all the worlds, but with Riku trapped within the gate.

Riku is now with micky Mouse being mysterious and kicking serious ass in Black robes.
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Still, that's a pretty large generation gap for it to be a factor anyway...
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Well, I'm just saying we can't be sure. rSFF hasn't been proven to exist in any form yet... so I wonder if Riku will even be stronger than whatever he shows today.

Man, the stats with this lot are totally bonkers. I mean, we don't even have much of a clue with Frog after last year. Guess we're probably better off waiting and seeing.
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God, I love this. You keep dropping Frog.

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Bah! Frog is struggling to keep it at 61...
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I'm amazed that people think that there were no problems with Link/Mega Man but that there were problems in Mega Man/Tidus.
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We all know Zero vs. Mega Man had rSFF. >_>


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From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 7/24/2005 12:24:23 AM | #119
What level would Riku be around if he got 40% on Frog (ignoring any possible mitigating factors)?

Around Luigi, which I can actually see.

And damn, Square SFF is fickle as all hell.

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Why is it that all controversial characters are at one time believed to be "around Luigi's strength"? At least, it seems so. Also, how are SFF and rSFF distinguished? Would Samus doing worse against Mario for both being Nintendo be SFF or rSFF. It's just that Mario is more significant to Nintendo...

@_@

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God, I love this. You keep dropping Frog.

Is there a reason you want Frog to drop?

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Riku 39.02% 1171
Frog 60.98% 1830
TOTAL VOTES 3001

Frog dipping under 61%, but keeping it around this level. The day vote won't be nice to him at all.

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Can anyone compare this match to the others at this time? I'm hoping this hits 100k.

Is there a reason you want Frog to drop?

The lower Frog gets, the more it helps show that the Mega Man/Link adjustment shouldn't have been done.

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Frog's match with Samus will answer everything. I'm 99% sure that he's overrated by 2004 stats, but we'll have to wait to see by how much.

And watch, now that I said this, the 1% will kick in and allow Frog to defeat Samus in the worst upset of all time.

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That big of a generation gap wouldn't have an effect? Look at the Game Contest; check out how even the lowest 128-game (Fire Emblem, which faced the SFF'd-and-not-accounted-for-FFTA) is still stronger than ten of the 8-games (and it's controversial if Tetris or Metroid should have ranked higher than FE, too, statistically speaking).

It's not guaranteed, but I would think a bigger generation gap would help.
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*smile* Weak Frog = Weak Solid Snake, which makes for a really, really, really interesting second round match.
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The lower Frog gets, the more it helps show that the Mega Man/Link adjustment shouldn't have been done.

Which really does make me fear Zelda being able to beat Snake.

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0:30
Ness vs CJ - 3157
Frog vs Riku - 3161
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

We're right on track with this one...
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At the 12:30 mark, here is the totals for this match and the previous match.

Samus/Yuri - 3010
Frog/Riku - 3161

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I hope Riku is playable or in your party atleast in KH2.

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On one hand, we have a 2-3.5% underperformance for Mega Man on Link. On the other hand, we have a 10-14% underperformance by Tidus on Mega Man, with the 14% being if Mega Man was not adjusted. It boggles the mind.

I needs sleep.
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Actually, I take that back. Frog is going to have a helluva time even keeping Riku under 45%. At this point, if I wake up and find out his lead is smaller than the 600 or so it is right now, I would not be shocked in the least.

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The lower Frog gets, the more it helps show that the Mega Man/Link adjustment shouldn't have been done.

I don't see how it does. Riku's strength is unknown. He could be anywhere between Ansem and Sora. How powerful Frog truely is will come from his match with Samus, not this one.
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Plus we don't know if Riku's being SFF'd, rSFF'd, or perfectly normal; you could make a case for any of those three.
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I don't see how it does. Riku's strength is unknown. He could be anywhere between Ansem and Sora. How powerful Frog truely is will come from his match with Samus, not this one.

I find it very hard to believe that Riku would equal Sora. And if Frog falls to around 55% tomorrow, that's exactly where Riku would sit. Yes, it's not definite, but it certainly isn't help proving that Frog's adjusted value is correct. I don't see how someone could think the two are equal.

But yes, you're right in the fact that it'll really come with his match against Samus more than anything. Hell, this is only what, the second time we've seen the unadjusted stats begin to look a little more correct than the adjusted ones? Yeah.

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*reads undeniables spoilers*

Going by this it sounds as though Riku isn't even a playable character. If that's true then his performance here is actually very surprising.
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I'm not sure why someone would expect very much SFF in this match either way. One could talk of it, but I really wouldn't say either one is being affected in large by it.

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Riku 39.87% 1595
Frog 60.13% 2406
TOTAL VOTES 4001

Lookin' like he might be dropping under 60% before long.

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