Okay then, 1/5th-1/6th of the US people who own ToS visit the site on the day of Lloyd's match. I still don't think it's that unreasonable.

AND none of them can vote for Wesker. :-P
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There's less likelihood of fanbase overlap with them.
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AND none of them can vote for Wesker. :-P

Are you seriously arguing for a Wesker victory? He has a common opponent to Mithos, and Mithos is the stronger of the two. Unless you believe in the mythical vote cap wesker really doesn't have anything going for him. Mithos was incredibly obscure for most of TOS, and Lloyd was the main character. Lloyd being weaker then Mithos is so unlikely it's not even funny.
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There's less likelihood of fanbase overlap with them.

I agree. This is freakin' Wesker we're talking about. Even for Resident Evil fans, there are bound to be tons of characters that they like before they would vote Wesker. Just because you're a fan of a game doesn't mean that you would vote for all things related to that game.
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Likely most of them would vote Lloyd, but that doesn't even matter. We were bringing up Lloyd's vote ceiling. And I'm saying he could obtain 75000 votes against the likes of Tanner.
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"Okay then, 1/5th-1/6th of the US people who own ToS visit the site on the day of Lloyd's match. I still don't think it's that unreasonable."

But 250-300% of the people who own Panzer Dragoon Saga showing up isn't?
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Just because you're a fan of a game doesn't mean that you would vote for all things related to that game.

Werd. We can look at what happened yesterday to prove that.
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I'm failing to understand... how is it you think that hate votes can't exist? Someone could vote against Wesker out of hate and while it'd happen to go to Lloyd in this instance it's not a vote for Lloyd. There is no ceiling.
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I agree. This is freakin' Wesker we're talking about. Even for Resident Evil fans, there are bound to be tons of characters that they like before they would vote Wesker. Just because you're a fan of a game doesn't mean that you would vote for all things related to that game.

Weird, all the RE Fans I've met love Wesker.
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Again: I am NOT arguing for a Wesker victory. I am arguing against Lloyd hitting 70%.

Oh, and the Wikipedia reference to Leon Kennedy compares his popularity level among RE shipers to that of Albert Wesker. :-D
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Weird, all the RE Fans I've met love Wesker.

Weird, they failed to show any sort of appreciation en masse in the spring contest when they let freakin' Kefka get 70% on him.
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I'm failing to understand... how is it you think that hate votes can't exist?

I hope nobody truly believes this. I've never played FFVII and have no idea what type of character Cloud is, yet I have consistently and ignorantly anti-voted his spikey-haired dumb ass every single time he's been in a match.
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Oh, and the Wikipedia reference to Leon Kennedy compares his popularity level among RE shipers to that of Albert Wesker. :-D

Yeah, here's hoping Leon isn't as popular as Wesker here, or the universe could be ready to implode.
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I'm not arguing that Wesker got beaten badly in the villains contest, Yes Kefka got 70% on him, but I still maintain Wesker got screwed there, and is stronger, or equal too Mithos.
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Leon with RE4 pic = Instant win.
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anyone that played the original RE when it first came out is bound to love wesker. in addition, they're bound to love jill, chris, especially barry, etc... that game was so classic and the voice acting was so horrible, that it becomes an instant favorite just like starfox64. everyone loves wesker, i dunno why he flopped so hard against kefka. that said, he won't beat lloyd.

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I'm failing to understand... how is it you think that hate votes can't exist? Someone could vote against Wesker out of hate and while it'd happen to go to Lloyd in this instance it's not a vote for Lloyd. There is no ceiling.

I never said that hate votes don't exist. There are obviously plenty of anti-voters out there, myself included. But I don't see why Wesker would get an avalanche of anti-votes against him, or why Lloyd would get off scot-free.
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"I found this Jill, It's a weapon. It's especially effective aginst LIVING THINGS"
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Took awhile, but...
Suikoden II - 91,726
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I don't think Wesker gets anti-voted. He's just weak. For some reason, this site doesn't care for villains, with the exception of a notable few. Resident Evil isn't exactly the most popular series either.

It's sorta similar to Ocelot. He's extremely popular with the fans of the series, but perhaps not so much with the average voter.
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I've beaten Suikoden II....but didn't buy it.
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Oh, and as far as the Panzer Dragoon Saga thing goes...there's always the chance that fans of the much better selling Panzer Dragoon Orta could have had a hand in the seemingly impossible vote totals for that match. I'm still mystifed that PDS made the field. :-P
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anyone that played the original RE when it first came out is bound to love wesker. in addition, they're bound to love jill, chris, especially barry, etc... that game was so classic and the voice acting was so horrible, that it becomes an instant favorite just like starfox64. everyone loves wesker, i dunno why he flopped so hard against kefka. that said, he won't beat lloyd.

*mild spoilers*

The hell? I got the original RE when it came out. There's nothing that I liked about Wesker. He was at the beginning and disappeared. Showed up a couple of times during the game, and then ended up being a traitor during the last fight. Big whoop. I'd vote for Jill, and that's about it. No Chris, no Barry, no Rebecca... Everybody DOESN'T like Wesker. That's why he flopped so hard against Kefka.

I don't even think that was worth responding to...
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Wesker is by far and away my favorite RE character. Mercenaries in RE4 alone would be enough to give him that title; let alone the original and CV.
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At the 19:00 mark, this match has 79,757 votes.

Mario/Joanna Dark: 86,711
Ness/CJ: 87,186
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Ha ha. I guess it's just the Nintendo magic that's pulling in the votes!
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Zero 63.04% 50435
Ryu Hayabusa 36.96% 29565
TOTAL VOTES 80000
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And I was saying that most RE Fan's love Wesker, or at least are neutral towards him, so he isn't going to draw a lot of Anti-votes.
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Incidentally, if today's match is all Zero falling because he rSFF'd Mega Man (rather unlikely, I will admit), Vercetti would be projected to get 50.97% on Kefka.
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Well, we'll have to wait a while before we find out the answer. I'm hoping it just means 20XX doesn't exist, though Hayabusa's still overperforming in this case. I guess we can chalk up the rest to being more recognizable.
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It could be all Zero falling because, ya know, Mega Man was overadjusted.
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I tend to agree that megaman was overadjusted. No SFF existing in megaman vs. link would partially explain master cheif's huge rise in popularity last year, liquid snake's piss poor performance in the spring contest, and zero's current performance.
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How does Zero doing bad make Kefka look better?
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And it will help explain why Sonic makes Mega Man his ***** this year too.
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How does Zero doing bad make Kefka look better?

Well, he's trying to say that if Zero rSFFed Mega Man somehow to explain for this underperformance (which would be a notable amount of something we've never seen before elsewhere), it lowers Vercetti.
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I'm still thinking this is all Ninja Hayabusa. It does make that much of a difference in this case.
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One thing to realize though, if Mega Man lowers because of Link, Kefka looks just as inferior as Vercetti does.
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One thing to realize though, if Mega Man lowers because of Link, Kefka looks just as inferior as Vercetti does.

Yeah, we know that. But if Mega Man didn't actually get SFFed, he is going to lose to Sonic, and has no shot at Crono.
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He obviously has no shot to beat Crono if he's losing to Sonic.
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As per request, I did a least squares estimation for the Spring Villains Contest. To my surprise the estimated scalar values were more stable than I had thought they would be.

The estimated value for Sephiroth against Base Link (Link '03) was 43%. This was the value obtained using data for all 7 characters. Excluding individual characters didn't alter the optimal value too much; the minimum scalar gave an estimated value of 41.62% (arrived at by excluding Liquid Snake) for Sephiroth, and the maximum scalar gave a value of 44.27% (by excluding Bowser). I've put up a new column LSE Value vs. Base Link at the Spring X-stats page:

http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/27

The Excel file used is also linked to, if anyone wants to play around with it.
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Well, I meant if he SOMEHOW manages to squeeze by Crono, Sir Crono. :P
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Speaking of statistics! I made a slightly-improved version of Slow's BOP spreadsheet, by adding percentages to each of the matches. If you'd like to take a peek, it can be found in the Archives:

http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/05Sum-BoardOdds.xls

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Oh, and an obligatory tidbit about Luigi. Yesterday I mentioned that if Tifa doubled Vyse, Luigi would need 58% on KOS-MOS. Well, here's how he gets that 58%.

In 2k3, Cloud did 1.25% better on Bowser than he would normally do (changing the result from 29.97% to 31.22%), which seems to mesh up decently with Sonic. Bowser also benefited 4% of SFF on Yoshi (changing the result from 43.67% to 47.67%), which, given what a non series related Link did to him, is perfectly reasonable. Then, in 2k4, Yoshi benefited from 2% of SFF on Luigi (changing the result from 45.52% to 47.52%), which also seems perfectly reasonable. So, Cloud ever so slightly overkilled Bowser, and Yoshi and Luigi were ever so slightly SFF'd. The result? 57.55% for Luigi against KOS-MOS.
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Huzzah for random amounts of SFF!
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Speaking of statistics! I made a slightly-improved version of Slow's BOP spreadsheet, by adding percentages to each of the matches. If you'd like to take a peek, it can be found in the Archives:

http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/05Sum-BoardOdds.xls

When will the Guru topic be up? Every day I can't look at my bracket compared to everyone else's is another day that makes me sad I even entered!!!
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So Sephiroth only allegedly dropped about 2%? Looks like Ganondorf>Auron and Bowser>Ryu are safer picks now.
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Regardless, as I said, anything that makes Squall look stronger is okay by me. I still don't think characters that are close to one another in strength SFF each other.
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still don't think characters that are close to one another in strength SFF each other.

And for that I point to Aeris/Sora. There aren't quite as close as I think Bowser/Yoshi and Yoshi/Luigi are, but there was still a significant amount of SFF involved.
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Of course, those Luigi calculations are wrong if he ends up losing to KOS-MOS... though after seeing Mario and Ness, I'm pretty sure that this upset isn't getting pulled off >_>

Go Luigi!
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