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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 159
From: voltch | Posted: 7/20/2005 10:31:01 AM | Message Detail
you saying parents are banning there kids from the computer to stop them from finding out the hack thus stopping them from voting for cj?
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 7/20/2005 10:37:00 AM | Message Detail
*points to sig*
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From: Eggplant Lord | Posted: 7/20/2005 10:37:14 AM | Message Detail
I guess TFCFF can only apply to Cats...

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From: GTM | Posted: 7/20/2005 10:37:23 AM | Message Detail
2 for 2 for me?
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 7/20/2005 10:44:16 AM | Message Detail
Well, I'm pretty certain CJ's gonna make a small push in about two hours percentage-wise, but it's still certain that Ness > CJ.
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From: Master Moltar | Posted: 7/20/2005 10:51:00 AM | Message Detail
Mushroom Division Round 1 - Match 3 – (3)Zero vs. (6)Ryu Hayabusa

Zero
Game/Series Known From: Mega Man X
Extrapolated Rank in 2002: N/A
Extrapolated Rank in 2003: 14th (33.28%)
Extrapolated Rank in 2004: 10th (28.50%) Adjusted Value: 11th (31.67%)
Seed in 2002: N/A
Seed in 2003: 7
Seed in 2004: 4
Lost in 2003 to Sonic in Round 2
Lost in 2004 to Mega Man in the Sweet 16

Zero is back, with a nice seed and a lust for blood.

Ryu H.
Game/Series Known From: Ninja Gaiden/Dead or Alive Series
Extrapolated Rank in 2002: N/A
Extrapolated Rank in 2003: N/A
Extrapolated Rank in 2004: 28th (20.65%)
Seed in 2002: N/A
Seed in 2003: N/A
Seed in 2004: 3
Lost in 2004 to Sora in Round 2

Ryu H. is back and ready to take some more names and kick…not a lot of ass.

In our first vet vs. vet match, Zero goes at it with Ryu H. Yeah, I know it’s a dissapointing one, but hey, we gotta slug through it.

In 2004, Ryu H was set to win his four-pack. He just had to get through Jill….Jill. Ok, maybe it wasn’t a given that he was going to take it. Maybe people believe Ryu was over-estimated and Jill was under-estimated. People were saying the winner of this match was winning the four-pack. So the match took place (twice) and Ryu won by a close margin. Now, Sora destroyed him in the next round, which was pretty surprising, but hey, at least he isn’t over-estimated this time.

Zero is strong. Very strong. Ryu H. has no chance to win here. Oh well, at least Ryu is going to lose looking bad-ass. Have you seen the match picture for this match? It’s one of the best Round 1 pics ever!

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Zero will win.

Moltar’s Prediction is: Zero: 69% - Ryu H: 31%



Ulti’s Analysis

Zero scored 46% on Sonic in 2003 and managed to actually win updates against Mega Man in 2004 during an SFF match. Ryu H failed to break 40% on SORA. There is nothing to discuss, and though it's possible that Ryu H is underestimated by the 2004 stats, that only means that he may overperform by a percent or two. Zero has this with ease.

Ulti’s Prediction: Zero with 67.04%



Soul’s Analysis

Robot Vs. Ninja. A gamers dream. Pshh, yeah, ok. One of the overlooked matches in the bracket, and with plenty of reason. Hayabusa stunk it up last year. He almost lost to Jill Valentine, then was blown out of the water by a kid with a key. Hmm... Zero, on the other hand, got 47% on Sonic in 2003, and got 44% against Megaman with SFF. No brainer really.

My prediction: Zero wins with 76.53% of the vote. NEXT!



Outback’s Analysis

Ninja vs. Robot! WHOAMG COOL!

There's really nothing to analyze here. Zero is one of the strongest performers in the contest, and, if given a good draw, could have a shot at defeating a member of the Noble Nine. This year, however, he gets a couple of easy matches with Hayabusa and Lloyd before bowing out to Mario. Maybe next year, Zero.

Zero, 68.90%, Ryu Hayabusa 31.10%
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Ness vs. CJ - Bracket: CJ - Vote: Ness (1/1)
From: Master Moltar | Posted: 7/20/2005 10:51:11 AM | Message Detail
Inviso’s Analysis

Finally, we have a match where BOTH characters have been in a contest before. Zero made a strong showing in last summer’s contest, perhaps managing to reverse-SFF Megaman in order to do as well as he did. Ryu on the other hand, struggled to keep a 14 seed down, and failed against the might *rolls eyes* of Sora. That’s right…Kingdom Hearts Sora. Anyway, Zero is shown to be a second tier character, right below the noble nine, perhaps overtaking Solid Snake, while Ryu is a mid tier character with nothing special about him. I suppose Ryu has a chance to make a strong showing…and he’ll do better than Joanna against Mario…but that’s the best he can hope for.

My Bracket: Zero
My Vote: Ryu Hayabusa
My Prediction: Zero with 70.32%



Tnote’s Analysis

Zero is comfortably ahead of Sora, who easily dispatched Mr. Hayabusa last contest. Zero keeps appearing in the overly pimped Capcom games, and Hayabusa will probably be getting a crappy picture again. Nothing will outdo the futility of Prince Ryu, however Zero will not need any outside forces to double the X-Box ninja. I would like to take this time to rant about what a completely overrated piece of trash Ryu was last contest, costing me two very valuable points. This is probably where my hatred for Ninja Gaiden originated…

Pick: Zero with 68.27%



Vlado’s Analysis

Another day, another boring match. This contest seems like it'll get interesting in the closing stages, as opposed to the early one, much unlike last year's. A single glimpse at the X-Stats tells you that Zero has this in the bag, and it won't be close at all. After missing the fodder-ridden original Character Battle, Zero made a triumphant debut in 2003, owning Scorpion, a quarterfinalist the previous year, and then inevitably losing to Sonic, but coming much closer than anyone would have expected him - namely 47.66%. The year after we saw a similar picture, though he was involved in two SFF matches - against Protoman, which made the old school Megaman series badass look really bad and against Mega Man, where Zero did extremely well.

Zero is one of the most intersting contestants and I think his popularity actually increased between 2003 and 2004, despite the X-Stats suggesting otherwise. It should be kept in mind, however, that, thanks to the ****load of SFF matches, the 2004 stats are the ones one can least rely on. The blatant SFF in the Mega Man vs. Zero match wasn't even considered when making those (though, I admit, it would be hard to determine exactly what the adjustment should be) and that's why I believe Zero was actually stronger in 2004. His top match so far, however, remains the one against Sonic in 2003:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1344

Not all that much to say about Ryu Hayabusa... He was expected to do really well last year, when many thought he would beat Sora, even after his less-than-stellar performance against Jill in a match he barely managed to win. While Ryu might have increased a little, as Ninja Gaiden's popularity keeps growing among Xbox owners, it's clear that he won't come anywhere near Zero. When the most memorable thing about your only appearence so far is that Cats took over your match pic, you know you are not exactly going to do great.

Predicted percentage: Zero with 65.70%.

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Ness vs. CJ - Bracket: CJ - Vote: Ness (1/1)
From: voltch | Posted: 7/20/2005 11:00:08 AM | Message Detail
i know ness's lead is increasing but cj's percentage is also increasing. why?
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/20/2005 11:01:08 AM | Message Detail
i know ness's lead is increasing but cj's percentage is also increasing. why?

Because he's still getting more than 50% of the votes, but now he's getting less than 55% of them, so his percentage is falling.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno
From: GTM | Posted: 7/20/2005 11:01:19 AM | Message Detail
Ness 54.92% 27460
Carl Johnson 45.08% 22540
TOTAL VOTES 50000
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/20/2005 11:08:18 AM | Message Detail
Ness 54.93% 27884
Carl Johnson 45.07% 22882
TOTAL VOTES 50766

The lead breaks 5000.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno
From: Tai | Posted: 7/20/2005 11:09:42 AM | Message Detail
Ness 54.92% 27460
Carl Johnson 45.08% 22540
TOTAL VOTES 50000


And with one hour until the half-way point. I'm loving it. 3>

Also, at the 11:00 mark:
CJ/Ness - 49950
Mario/Joanna - 49806

Good stuff. :-)
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From: therealmnm | Posted: 7/20/2005 11:12:59 AM | Message Detail
It's funny how some people are saying that Zero got rSFF against Mega Man with 44%, and still think that Sonic can BEAT Mega Man even though Zero got 47% against him....

I'm a Sonic fan by the way, but I'm also a Zero fan too. He's a beast!
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/20/2005 11:14:59 AM | Message Detail
Nah, Zero got SFF'd last year and it made it look like he and Mega Man had barely changed.

...Yeah, so I'm probably overestimating Sonic's chances again. Sue me.
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From: yoblazer33 | Posted: 7/20/2005 11:15:37 AM | Message Detail
Zero was actually closer to 48%. He got 47.66% to be exact.
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 7/20/2005 11:16:53 AM | Message Detail
Mega Man > Sonic > Protoman's bare ass >>>>> Zero.
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From: voltch | Posted: 7/20/2005 11:17:01 AM | Message Detail
carl is increasing his percentage so slowly at the moment who's voting for him now?
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/20/2005 11:17:17 AM | Message Detail
*whistles*
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Round 1: (7) Geno
From: Zylo the wolf | Posted: 7/20/2005 11:17:39 AM | Message Detail
I think Zero will get around 64% on Ryu Hayabusa, this is not the same Hayabusa we saw in 2004.
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My biggest predictions: Mario over Samus, Alucard over Sora, Magus over Dante.
From: Slowflake | Posted: 7/20/2005 11:18:54 AM | Message Detail
I hate how Magus got SFFed to heck, but Zero had no problem.

Speaking of which, the biggest possible rSFF prospect backfiring last year is part of why I seriously doubt Mario can beat Samus.
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SC2K5 status - Points: 001/001 - Matches: 01/01 - Rank: 00001/33793 - Today: CJ - Tomorrow: Zero
From: yoblazer33 | Posted: 7/20/2005 11:19:25 AM | Message Detail
I bumped my Zero Oracle Challenge prediction a full five 5 points after I saw that pic.
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/20/2005 11:21:22 AM | Message Detail
I hate how Magus got SFFed to heck, but Zero had no problem.

Well, it's partially because Zero's closer to Mega Man than Magus is to Crono. Have you noticed that SFF is usually minimal between characters close to the same strength?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno
From: Slowflake | Posted: 7/20/2005 11:22:26 AM | Message Detail
Not by much though.
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From: Master Moltar | Posted: 7/20/2005 11:22:30 AM | Message Detail
this is not the same Hayabusa we saw in 2004.

I agree, which is why I think Zero will do better than projected on Ryu. Zero might be underestimated thanks to Link and Mega, while Ryu might be a tad overestimated thanks to bracket voting.
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Ness vs. CJ - Bracket: CJ - Vote: Ness (1/1)
From: NewLib | Posted: 7/20/2005 11:22:55 AM | Message Detail
I dont that is the main reason. The main reason is Zero is from a different series than Mega Man gets the majority of his votes for.
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From: Undeniable | Posted: 7/20/2005 11:24:02 AM | Message Detail
I just realized something, Hayabusa is now using a Ninja picture... we might see some actual change here.
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From: bigkevinm84 | Posted: 7/20/2005 11:24:37 AM | Message Detail
Damn you GTA and your general suckiness. How could I pick one of your filthy kind to take the match over one of my favorite Nintendo characters, who had the higher seed to boot? Ugh, I knew the fact that Giygas > Tenpenny should have predicted this match for me. Once again, my bracket is dead after the first round. At least it'll only cost 1 point, I still have a chance of doing well.

BTW, CJ, you best make a comeback you filthy GTA gangster.
(GTA currently ranks number 1 in my most hated games).
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/20/2005 11:24:41 AM | Message Detail
I agree, which is why I think Zero will do better than projected on Ryu.

Better than projected on a more recognizable Hayabusa? Doubtful.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno
From: NewLib | Posted: 7/20/2005 11:25:08 AM | Message Detail
Your bracket isnt dead. No one is getting a perfect bracket.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
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From: bigkevinm84 | Posted: 7/20/2005 11:26:39 AM | Message Detail
Your bracket isnt dead. No one is getting a perfect bracket.

I suppose you're right. The rest of my first round will probably be mostly right, unless somehow Kerrigan beats Vincent.

Luckily for me, I had an alt account make Ness win. Heh heh.
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From: therealmnm | Posted: 7/20/2005 11:27:25 AM | Message Detail
Mega Man > Sonic > Protoman's bare ass >>>>> Zero.

Blasphemy! Knuckles > Sonic > Zero > Bowser > Lemmy Koopa > Everyone else >>>>>>>>> Sephiroth > Ness

I dont that is the main reason. The main reason is Zero is from a different series than Mega Man gets the majority of his votes for.

Huh? Besides SvC, there hasn't been a Zero game that didn't have the title MEGA MAN. And I doubt that X would perform much differently than Mega Man. Zero is essentially a Mega Man character. Unless you meant that Zero has his own spinoff series....
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From: voltch | Posted: 7/20/2005 11:27:33 AM | Message Detail
true say.
no one will get the perfect
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From: NewLib | Posted: 7/20/2005 11:29:26 AM | Message Detail
No I mean that Mega Man gets most of his support from the Mega Man series not from the X series. Actually I think X wold perform quite a bit differently than Mega Man.
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 7/20/2005 11:35:09 AM | Message Detail
Ryu might be a tad overestimated thanks to bracket voting.

Jill, despite being a 14-seed, had the bracket-advantage on Ryu.
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From: swirldude | Posted: 7/20/2005 11:41:06 AM | Message Detail
Go Ness! Rip my bracket to shreds!!
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From: therealmnm | Posted: 7/20/2005 11:45:31 AM | Message Detail
No I mean that Mega Man gets most of his support from the Mega Man series not from the X series.

I find that hard to believe... it may be where his support BEGAN, but that's not his only support. We haven't had an original Mega Man title since Mega Man 8 on Playstation, unless you count Rockman & Forte/Mega Man & Bass. Fans of Mega Man X, Mega Man Legends, and Mega Man Battle Network all would be voting for Mega Man. Mega Man X fans may like Zero as well, but it doesn't mean that they wouldn't vote for X and it doesn't even mean that X can't beat Zero.

It's kind of like saying that Mario gets most of his support from his NES games, although Mario isn't as different in his games as Mega Man is in his... although it definitely isn't THAT big of a difference.
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 7/20/2005 12:12:33 PM | Message Detail
For what it's worth, Ness had starmen.net linking against Jak. He doesn't have any linkage from them right now against CJ...while that site would only account for so few votes in Ness's case, that's still all the worse CJ's lookin' right now. Being compared to Jak isn't what he wants or needs one bit, even if Jak is deceptively-decent fodder.
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From: Lucid Faia | Posted: 7/20/2005 12:15:47 PM | Message Detail
Ness is a mute with a baseball bat who is winning based soley on the strength of the Nintendo fanboy's haven known as Super Smash Bros. Melee, and the fact that *gasp* his opponent is black.

"Everything in the universe could be destroyed at the hands of Giygas. But he and his followers are also in trouble. The Apple of Enlightenment has foretold that Giygas' attempt will fail. It is because of the existence of a boy named Ness. ...That's me!"

WHAT DO YOU MEAN, "HE'S A MUTE," NEWB?

And quite frankly, I don't care how Ness wins. The important thing is that the better character is winning.

CJ is an infinately more developed, interesting character. For you to say that Ness is the better character with such confidence only makes me wonder if you know what "character" is.

More than you, apparently. Character =/= Character Development. Ness has a ton of character, despite the fact that Giygas didn't fall from the sky and kill Paula, despite the fact that his parent were killed and his hometown destroyed when he was just a boy, and despite the fact that they didn't all grow up together and just now remembered.

Ness is a teenage genius with psychic powers who sets off to save the world because a talking bee from the future told him to do it. How does it get more interesting than that? :P

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From: Lucid Faia | Posted: 7/20/2005 12:17:22 PM | Message Detail
*Weren't, that is.

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From: FourthDeus | Posted: 7/20/2005 12:19:25 PM | Message Detail
Ness is a mute.

Character =/= Character Development.

You need character to develop. Ness isn't a character. He, like Crono, like Ryu of BoF 1-4, like Link, is soulless avatar, void of personality, creativity, or energy.
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From: FourthDeus | Posted: 7/20/2005 12:20:58 PM | Message Detail
How are we doing on vote totals, BTW?
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 7/20/2005 12:21:23 PM | Message Detail
I'll testify that Link kicks all kinds of ass and that Ness, at least in SSB/M, is an enjoyable force to be reckoned with. For shame I couldn't get into Earthbound.
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From: swirldude | Posted: 7/20/2005 12:22:53 PM | Message Detail
Well there are 16000+ votes and Gran Turismo is leading with aroudn 53.6%...
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From: Applekidjosh | Posted: 7/20/2005 12:23:38 PM | Message Detail
Wow. So how about this. I just woke up a bit ago and go to check how bad my boy Ness is losing... and I had to do a double take. I'm so freakin happy right now! Yay for having faith in Earthbound and picking Ness! I figured I'd be coming to this thread to talk about how "even though I figured CJ would win, I took Ness because he's just such a better character and 1 point isn't that much" but instead I'm here to say...

"whoo hoo! GO NESS!"
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 7/20/2005 12:25:56 PM | Message Detail
About that side-poll...it'll be interesting to see if Project Gotham Racing got the Xbox vote here, too, even with the significantly less vote totals.
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From: buckwheat37 | Posted: 7/20/2005 12:29:56 PM | Message Detail
I thought the same thing but i guess Ness is actually gonna pull this through and give me my second point.
ALL RIGHT NESS!
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/20/2005 12:37:37 PM | Message Detail
At the 12:35 mark, this match has 59,482 votes. At the same time, Mario/Joanna Dark had 59,287 votes. Still staying neck and neck, for the most part.
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Round 1: (7) Geno
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 7/20/2005 12:39:29 PM | Message Detail
Now if that side-poll wasn't there, maybe Ness/CJ would have enough votes to boost them to the 100,000 mark.....
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/20/2005 12:40:19 PM | Message Detail
Come on, who is gonna vote in the side poll, but not the contest?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno
From: Tai | Posted: 7/20/2005 12:41:28 PM | Message Detail
Ness 54.9% 32938
Carl Johnson 45.1% 27062
TOTAL VOTES 60000

3>

40 minutes after half-way point. :-)

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