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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 158
From: therealmnm | Posted: 7/19/2005 7:01:03 PM | Message Detail
How much of a day vote did Vercetti actually have?
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From: Dilated Chemist | Posted: 7/19/2005 7:03:33 PM | Message Detail
Against who?

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From: PiGuy96 | Posted: 7/19/2005 7:05:29 PM | Message Detail
How much of a day vote did Vercetti actually have?

Almost nothing against Max Payne (http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/22?matchnum=1728)
He actually lost a bit against Zero (http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/22?matchnum=1755)

DK would probably be the most relevant...I'll check for it on Ngamer's archives.
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From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 7/19/2005 7:08:19 PM | Message Detail
http://www.thengamer.com/gamefaqs/03Summer/TommyVsDKupdates.txt

He actually decreased against Donkey Kong.
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/19/2005 7:08:19 PM | Message Detail
Actually...Looking at 2004, Ness gained with the day vote in both of his matches (very slightly against Jak, but almost a full percent against Auron). Vercetti barely changed at all against Max Payne and lost nearly 1% against Zero with the day vote.

Hmmm...
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/19/2005 7:12:19 PM | Message Detail
Looking at it more closely, Vercetti was at his strongest in the early morning hours against Zero, which is when Ness was at his weakest against Jak. He gradually gained all day against Auron. Vercetti was at his strongest very early in the poll against Max, but once the morning hit, the percentage was very steady.
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From: charmander6000 | Posted: 7/19/2005 7:21:31 PM | Message Detail
*Looks at Ness vs. CJ pic*

That's not CJ that's Ryder!
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From: Dilated Chemist | Posted: 7/19/2005 7:22:17 PM | Message Detail
That's not Ryder.

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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/19/2005 7:24:03 PM | Message Detail
I've never even played San Andreas before, but I looked at a picture of Ryder, and that's not him in the match picture.

...Does this bode well for CJ if the GameFAQs population has difficulty telling blacks apart? People have been saying that's not CJ all day.
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From: Dilated Chemist | Posted: 7/19/2005 7:27:46 PM | Message Detail
It could be him, with all the customization features in SA. Or it could be a Los Santos Vargo since their gang color is yellow.

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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/19/2005 7:30:26 PM | Message Detail
From what people have been saying, it's a picture that's shown during loading screens, but I dunno. Ceej probably would've been better suited to show an in-game picture, like the one in his profile.
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From: Dilated Chemist | Posted: 7/19/2005 7:32:05 PM | Message Detail
Or this one:
http://www2.tky.3web.ne.jp/~shio/gta/gtasa/j_cj3.jpg

The glasses, everyone thinks that's Ryder in the match pic because of the glasses.

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From: MegatokyoEd | Posted: 7/19/2005 7:32:08 PM | Message Detail
The picture used for Tenpenny in the Spring Contest was a loading picture as well.
From: Dilated Chemist | Posted: 7/19/2005 7:33:00 PM | Message Detail
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From: kinsho3 | Posted: 7/19/2005 7:37:15 PM | Message Detail
You can't really use an in-game picture for Carl, though. The game allows you to customize him to no end. It's best to use the in-game loading picture.
Or possible any promos done with Carl's mug on them.
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/19/2005 7:37:53 PM | Message Detail
So CJ doesn't really have any trademark look, like Vercetti's Hawaiian shirt?
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From: Adept_Of_Aiur | Posted: 7/19/2005 7:39:19 PM | Message Detail
So CJ doesn't really have any trademark look, like Vercetti's Hawaiian shirt?

Nope, you customize his clothes, his muscle mass, his hair, his facial hair, hell, even his weight.
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From: SonicRaptor | Posted: 7/19/2005 7:39:25 PM | Message Detail
So CJ doesn't really have any trademark look, like Vercetti's Hawaiian shirt?

His default outfit is a white tanktop with blue jeans, that's about it.

I just gave him a white shirt, dog tags, green jacket and camo pants. I didn't "gangsta" him up, just enough to distinguish him.
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From: Delirium Trigger | Posted: 7/19/2005 7:40:40 PM | Message Detail
I would go with the white beater. It's what most trailors have him in as well as game reviews I've seen on T.V, along with other things shown on Tech T.V.

I've never played SA, and I know that you can fully customize him, but I think the CJ with a shaved head and white beater is the most recognizable CJ.

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From: therealmnm | Posted: 7/19/2005 7:40:52 PM | Message Detail
...Does this bode well for CJ if the GameFAQs population has difficulty telling blacks apart? People have been saying that's not CJ all day.

Huh? What does it have to do with telling blacks apart? The problem is that a lot of GTA characters in-game look WAY different than they do in the official GTA art. Look at Mercedes in Vice City... her art doesn't look like her in-game model. There are more, but I don't have Vice City or San Andreas in front of me right now.
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From: Mister Mario | Posted: 7/19/2005 7:41:05 PM | Message Detail
I so made my guy a fat nerd type fellow.

Baddest mutha' in town.
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From: Dilated Chemist | Posted: 7/19/2005 7:41:36 PM | Message Detail
Hmm, There is no Tommy Vercetti character artwork in Vice City.

By character artwork I mean these kind of pics:

http://img18.exs.cx/img18/7763/gtacharacters8cg.jpg

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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/19/2005 7:42:35 PM | Message Detail
Hey, I recognize Tenpenny and CJ in those pictures. Huzzah.
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From: Adept_Of_Aiur | Posted: 7/19/2005 7:43:33 PM | Message Detail
I guess it IS CJ. None of those other ones is him, that's for sure.
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MasterMage119
From: kinsho3 | Posted: 7/19/2005 7:43:58 PM | Message Detail
Carl not actually having a definite image was worrisome to me. Then, I saw this...

Top 10 FAQ Pages (7/18)
01 GTA: San Andreas - PS2
02 GTA: San Andreas - PC

03 World of Warcraft - PC
04 Halo 2 - XBOX
05 Guild Wars - PC
06 GTA: San Andreas - XBOX
07 Final Fantasy X - PS2
08 Pokemon Emerald - GBA
09 NCAA Football 06 - PS2
10 God of War - PS2

If Ness manages to win against Carl, I'll be damned.
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From: Tai | Posted: 7/19/2005 7:45:28 PM | Message Detail
If Ness manages to win against Carl, I'll be damned.

Board 8 will go to hell, and we'll need another account level requirement. :-p
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/19/2005 7:45:31 PM | Message Detail
Well, I just did a Google image search for CJ. His match picture is the third image shown.
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From: Dilated Chemist | Posted: 7/19/2005 7:46:01 PM | Message Detail
Wasn't Vice City on top of the charts when he Vercetti battled DK?

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From: therealmnm | Posted: 7/19/2005 7:46:26 PM | Message Detail
You can't really use an in-game picture for Carl, though. The game allows you to customize him to no end. It's best to use the in-game loading picture.
Or possible any promos done with Carl's mug on them.


It didn't stop Ceej from using one for the character profile page. It would be perfectly fine to use in-game models similar to the ones you see in the commercial and magazine ads and reviews. It's not really the CLOTHES that matter for CJ.... No matter what he's wearing, his in-game model is still recognizable.

Personally, I have my CJ medium built with a low cut or braids, usually with slacks and a button up shirt. The wife beater got played out....
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From: Adept_Of_Aiur | Posted: 7/19/2005 7:47:38 PM | Message Detail
Yes but see... This round happens not to be an in-game model round, so he wouldn't do that.
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MasterMage119
From: Dilated Chemist | Posted: 7/19/2005 7:48:12 PM | Message Detail
I always had mine in a tuxedo with a black cap backwords and shades.

Ghetto Fabulous.

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From: Crono801 | Posted: 7/19/2005 7:48:27 PM | Message Detail
http://images.amazon.com/images/G/01/videogames/editorial/screenshots/gta-carl.jpg

That would have worked the best.
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From: NewLib | Posted: 7/19/2005 7:49:52 PM | Message Detail
If CJ loses to Ness it means I clearly have no idea how strong any of the new characters are. So if Ness Wins, all bets are off for the rest of the tourny.

There is one good thing that can come out of a CJ win (besides a point for me), we will get an answer to how strong Mario really is fairly early.
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From: Dranze | Posted: 7/19/2005 7:50:05 PM | Message Detail
I agree, that would of seem better..though, it's still in-game..
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From: Dilated Chemist | Posted: 7/19/2005 7:50:45 PM | Message Detail
The match pic looks like CJ all G'd up. If I were CJayC I would've used that pic too.

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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/19/2005 7:53:28 PM | Message Detail
At the 19:50 mark, this match has 89,412 votes. At the same time, Cloud/Samus had 90,963 votes. The pace has slowed down a bit.
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From: therealmnm | Posted: 7/19/2005 7:55:30 PM | Message Detail
Yes but see... This round happens not to be an in-game model round, so he wouldn't do that.

http://www.sc2k4.com/frog/images/sc2k4_pics/sum04b38.jpg

He's done it before with Vercetti against Zero and DK. And even though CJ has official art, it doesn't necessarily mean that it would be the best pic to use...
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From: Adept_Of_Aiur | Posted: 7/19/2005 7:56:37 PM | Message Detail

He's done it before with Vercetti against Zero and DK. And even though CJ has official art, it doesn't necessarily mean that it would be the best pic to use...


Well, I think he typically likes to stay with his theme. Vercetti was a pretty rare exception.
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/19/2005 7:56:48 PM | Message Detail
Well, apparently, Vercetti has no official artwork, so he had no choice. Still, he used in-game battle models of Squall and Tidus in the first round last summer.
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 7/19/2005 8:00:37 PM | Message Detail
What would cause such an increase in votes? Gamespot? If it is, Gamespot isn't as pro X-Box as I thought.

Not like Xbox support would help her yet anyways...though it's still interesting to see Joanna boost herself when the Xbox vote generally come into play(notice that I'm not giving credit to said-vote).

You're just basing that on the board. Tidus had 70% of the brackets behind him. I'd hardly consider that highly debated to the casual bracket maker.

I also see the board being much more likely to rally and garner more votes than your casual bracket-maker. I'm taking devil's advocate in this case, keep in mind.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/sum05/b02.jpg
http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/sum05/b03.jpg
http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/sum05/b04.jpg


Ness looks silly, CJ ain't much better, Zero/Ryu looks awesome, Lloyd looks...uh...and Wesker looks decent. I do think that Ryu's gonna do better against Zero than the stats expect and that Lloyd will impress against Wesker (a doubling is more than possible), which is gonna spark some heavy Zero/Lloyd discussion outside of this topic.

LLOYD BANKS IS ON FIRE!

Funny #500; I was just listenin' to that today.

Revolution > Xbox 360 > Playstation 3

Damn straight.

I wonder who this helps more, Vivi or Zelda?

Actually a good question, though I don't know if either would get an advantage worth noting.

I think Protoman/Zero from last year is the only first round match picture that can really compare.

That WAS a bad-ass picture; Proto really should have returned this year.
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From: Crono801 | Posted: 7/19/2005 8:00:59 PM | Message Detail
Squall's menu portrait would have been prefect for a first round pic.
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/19/2005 8:01:35 PM | Message Detail
Mario 81.15% 73034
Joanna Dark 18.85% 16966
TOTAL VOTES 90000

Hurray!
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From: Tai | Posted: 7/19/2005 8:03:03 PM | Message Detail
And 4 hours to go.

100k, here we come.
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/19/2005 8:03:06 PM | Message Detail
Squall's menu portrait would have been prefect for a first round pic.

But it's only a head shot...I'm not particularly fond of it anyway.
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From: MrGrahf | Posted: 7/19/2005 8:05:35 PM | Message Detail
why does everyone think CJs pic doesn't look good? I think he looks cool. is it because he looks gangster or cause hes black?
From: Crono801 | Posted: 7/19/2005 8:06:21 PM | Message Detail
Ah, I forgot that they were full body shots last year. It would work this year, although I'd much rather see the one from FMV with all the boats landing.
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From: Dranze | Posted: 7/19/2005 8:07:02 PM | Message Detail
Because it's slightly unrecognizable.
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From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 7/19/2005 8:09:25 PM | Message Detail
Mario 81.15% 73034
Joanna Dark 18.85% 16966
TOTAL VOTES 90000

~*ST*~
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From: Delirium Trigger | Posted: 7/19/2005 8:10:38 PM | Message Detail
Only 8 minutes or so late Ulti. =P

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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 7/19/2005 8:11:47 PM | Message Detail
I just got to thinkin', since we've talked about Terra and Kefka likely gettin' better pictures with the new pic-format...this can affect CATS's match against MC pretty good, too. From the Villain Contest, either CATS got a nice boost from the face-pic, Ansem heavily over-performed against Ganon, or Ganon dropped alot and Sephiroth dropped even more...your call.

Now, of course, CATS isn't gonna win, and he'd be super-lucky to prevent a tripling...but CATS could possibly make MC not look as impressive as he should until DK or Crono.
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