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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 157
From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 7/18/2005 4:33:21 AM | Message Detail
I had a nightmare. The wolf ate the raven.



*Creativename's websites*

Everything you could ever imagine:
http://www.sc2k5.com
http://www.sc2k4.com

Summer 2002 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/1

Summer 2003 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/2

Spring 2004 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/3

Summer 2004 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/4

Summer 2005 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/5

Sortable Table for Every Contest Match:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/19



*Extrapolated Standings*

Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/11

Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

Summer 2002 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/13

Summer 2003 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/14

Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/15

SFF Adjusted Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/16

Summer 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/17

SFF Adjusted Summer 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/18

Spring 2005 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/27

All Time Extrapolated Standings:
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/alltimexsts.htm



*Solarshadow's Sites*

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html

Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html



*Old Stats topics*

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)

2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.

Spring 2004 Pre-Season (Chance the number after "Season" to view other pages; there are three of them):
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm

Spring 2004 Contest (Change the number after "Stats" to view other pages; there are eight of them):
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm



*Match Pictures*

All the match pics, save for three from 2002:
http://www.sc2k5.com/gallery/index.php



*Miscellaneous*

Creativename's Page of Links:
http://sc2k4.com/links.php

MMXcalibur's Contest Sites:
http://prophetchallenge.hyperboards2.com/index.cgi
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/

Poll Vote Total Updater:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/25

All Time Top 25/Top 10 Lists:
http://www.rpgdl.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3251



!yawa tsoP
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus
From: voltch | Posted: 7/18/2005 4:35:29 AM | Message Detail
omg! so soon?
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft
From: KingBartz | Posted: 7/18/2005 6:52:22 AM | Message Detail
whoamg hawt
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KingBartz: Been a full Virgin since '87
From: raytan7585 | Posted: 7/18/2005 6:53:36 AM | Message Detail
AWOOOOOOOO!!

Terra >>>>>> Dante

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FFVI says "A Love Between Human and Esper".
From: Slowflake | Posted: 7/18/2005 6:55:07 AM | Message Detail
Glitched copy of FF10 with the audio of the laughing scene over the video of Tidus and Yuna making out >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Terra
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth
From: Dranze | Posted: 7/18/2005 6:55:16 AM | Message Detail
Terra for the upset!
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Shut up, make me a sandwich. That is all.
From: Heroic Viktor | Posted: 7/18/2005 7:01:34 AM | Message Detail
Ness>CJ

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
Sp2k5 - 77/80 (stupid Master Hand)
From: I_Dont_Love_You | Posted: 7/18/2005 7:02:28 AM | Message Detail
I can't wait to see Dante get over 70% on Terra.
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The NEW Board 8's Best Female Summer Contest Guru
From: Dranze | Posted: 7/18/2005 7:03:07 AM | Message Detail
When he can't even get over 60% on Kefka.
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Shut up, make me a sandwich. That is all.
From: Tediz247 | Posted: 7/18/2005 8:41:23 AM | Message Detail
The second sentence sounds like something Vulcan Raven would say, but I don't remember him talking about Wolf.

Terra >>> Slowflake's taste
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That... was her final mission. And like a true soldier, she saw it through the end.
ZSB [aX]
From: moogle96 | Posted: 7/18/2005 8:43:55 AM | Message Detail
Dude it's from a Sonata Arctica's "Wolf and Raven"

One of the best power metal bands evar \m/
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RIP Dimebag Darrell
From: Draco1214 | Posted: 7/18/2005 8:44:06 AM | Message Detail
Dante > Vincent
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Spring Contest 2005 - 68/80 points
"Not even death can save you from me" - Diablo
From: Phediuk | Posted: 7/18/2005 8:53:24 AM | Message Detail
*tag for now*
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 7/18/2005 8:53:44 AM | Message Detail
Tails > VJ.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Knuckles
Serious Reminder: Vote for Tifa Lockheart, too
From: Shadowdude II | Posted: 7/18/2005 9:20:47 AM | Message Detail
Frog > Samus
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SC2K5- Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot
I prefer to think that SFF stands for Some Frivolous Factor. ~Dabu
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/18/2005 10:02:59 AM | Message Detail
Squall > Magus
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno
From: Tai | Posted: 7/18/2005 10:05:57 AM | Message Detail
Sora > Alucard
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PETITION: Ability to preview contests to moderators before posting it. http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=19643565 (198 Signs!)
From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 7/18/2005 10:09:17 AM | Message Detail
Luigi > Tifa
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"Luca Blight's insane. He's a wolf raised on the smell of fire and the taste of blood."" ~ Viktor, Suikoden II
From: Shadowdude II | Posted: 7/18/2005 10:15:23 AM | Message Detail
Goku > Samus.

From: maplejet | Posted: 7/18/2005 12:12:58 PM | Message Detail
Guys with big muscles and Hadoken > Girls in disturbing clothes

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SC2K5- Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot
I prefer to think that SFF stands for Some Frivolous Factor. ~Dabu
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/18/2005 10:16:00 AM | Message Detail
...Rikku's clothes are disturbing? Since when?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno
From: Shadowdude II | Posted: 7/18/2005 10:18:47 AM | Message Detail
I'm talking about Samus >>;
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SC2K5- Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot
I prefer to think that SFF stands for Some Frivolous Factor. ~Dabu
From: bigkevinm84 | Posted: 7/18/2005 10:20:46 AM | Message Detail
Vincent > Dante
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Vote for Yoshi
You have no chance to survive make your time.
From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 7/18/2005 5:06:10 PM | Message Detail
To copy from the last topic:

Vice City sold 13 million copies, actually. But Pokemon Yellow sold 15 million, which makes it the highest selling game across any platform within the past decade. Only concerning consoles though, VC is indeed the highest selling.

Super Mario 64 sold 12 million copies worldwide, for the record.



But how about that Mario pick? He's already lookin' good to start things off. Break that 80%, M. <3

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 1 - (8) Joanna Dark
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6734/cunning9ej.jpg
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/18/2005 5:06:23 PM | Message Detail
Ending my topic with the subtitle of the best MGS = Instant win
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno
From: transience | Posted: 7/18/2005 5:06:34 PM | Message Detail
ouch, same time 499/500. ulti got screwed.

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From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 7/18/2005 5:07:23 PM | Message Detail
Less than an hour before the bracket lockdown.

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 1 - (8) Joanna Dark
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6734/cunning9ej.jpg
From: NewLib | Posted: 7/18/2005 5:08:15 PM | Message Detail
Less than 31 hours until an interesting match happens.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia
From: FourthDeus | Posted: 7/18/2005 5:08:56 PM | Message Detail
The Italian Stallion will definately be breaking the 80% barrier.

As for the sales figures, what makes Vice City all the more impressive is that, unlike Mario 64, it wasn't packaged with the system, and recieved astronomical sales while being rated M.

Just further proves that no games this generation reach the level of success and influence as GTA.

And where can you find San Andreas worldwide figures? I know that the game is inching toward's Vice City's domestic take, but have no clue what how its doing worldwide.
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5/18/05
Never forget. Never forgive.
From: Blackapino1984 | Posted: 7/18/2005 5:09:06 PM | Message Detail
Dude it's from a Sonata Arctica's "Wolf and Raven"
I've heard one of their songs before. "False News Travels Fast" is an awesome song.

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Rockman's Road to Victory: Round 1: Conker
Don't forget to vote for: Ryu(SF)
From: NewLib | Posted: 7/18/2005 5:10:47 PM | Message Detail
Mario 64 was packaged? I dont remember that...
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia
From: charmander6000 | Posted: 7/18/2005 5:10:52 PM | Message Detail
As for the sales figures, what makes Vice City all the more impressive is that, unlike Mario 64, it wasn't packaged with the system, and recieved astronomical sales while being rated M.

SM64 was never packaged with the N64 even though it matches it sale to sale.
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17 handhelds Nintendo has taken down 1 more to go (see quote for rest)
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/18/2005 5:10:56 PM | Message Detail
Since it looks like the sprite round will be in the second round now, here's what we can possibly look forward to...

Super Metroid Samus vs. Frog sprite
Pig Ganon vs. bulky Auron
Classic Snake vs. Classic Black Mage
Koopa Klown Kar getting HADOUKEN'D
Sprite Crono vs. Sprite Kefka would be cool, but we won't see it
Magus vs. CoM Squall
Yoshi vs. Ocelot hand gesture
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno
From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 7/18/2005 5:11:06 PM | Message Detail
There are games out there more popular than SSBM from a tournament perspective? I find that hard to believe, given that SSBM is as popular in colleges as poker these days.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/18/2005 5:11:43 PM | Message Detail
Wasn't Pilot Wings 64 packaged with the N64?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno
From: NewLib | Posted: 7/18/2005 5:11:52 PM | Message Detail
Oh yeah the Sprite Snake vs the winner of Zelda/Vivi. Gives even more food for thought of an upset.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia
From: MegatokyoEd | Posted: 7/18/2005 5:12:47 PM | Message Detail
If Snake gets the pic he did against Frog last year then I'd be extremely scared of Zelda pulling the upset.
From: NewLib | Posted: 7/18/2005 5:12:50 PM | Message Detail
No considering my parents got it at launch for Christmas and I got Super Mario 64, Shadow of The Empire, and Wayne Gretzky 3D Hockey with it.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/18/2005 5:13:18 PM | Message Detail
Also remember that Alucard has a hideous sprite as well, facing off against CoM Sora.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno
From: NewLib | Posted: 7/18/2005 5:13:28 PM | Message Detail
SSB:M is probably still the second most popular party game at my college behind Halo 2. It barely beats out Madden however.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia
From: Aprosenf | Posted: 7/18/2005 5:13:32 PM | Message Detail
Ulti - to answer your question from the last topic, here is how I accounted for SFF in my stats: After doing the least-squares regression, I sorted that matches by the difference between their predicted and actual results. I then removed from the data the matches with the biggest differences and re-ran the regression, repeating until all of the biggest errors were eliminated. The matches I ended up removing were Link/Ganondorf 2k4 (10.55% error), Bowser/Mario 2k4 (5.75% error), Mario/Donkey Kong 2k2 (5.83% error), Cloud 2k3 -> 2k4 (5.96% error), Cloud/Sonic 2k3 (5.02% error), Link/Magus 2k3 (5.25% error), and Sephiroth 2k2 -> 2k3 (4.58% error).
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For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to refer to Gordon Freeman versus Tanner as Schrodinger's Match. -Phoenix Flattener
From: Undeniable | Posted: 7/18/2005 5:13:52 PM | Message Detail
CoM Sora vs Sprite Alucard...
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"[Zelos] clearly should be writing in his book of dark poetry and slitting his wrists with a cruxis crystal - meisnewbie
From: BeTheMan | Posted: 7/18/2005 5:16:34 PM | Message Detail
*smile* The great thing about Vivi is that he simply can't get a bad match picture. Mwahaha...
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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO...Pac-Man?
From: FourthDeus | Posted: 7/18/2005 5:16:50 PM | Message Detail
SM64 was never packaged with the N64 even though it matches it sale to sale.

Really? I got Mario 64 with my N64. Hm.

And at my school, the most popular games are far and away Halo, and in a distant second, Madden. No one really gives a **** about Smash Bros. :(
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5/18/05
Never forget. Never forgive.
From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 7/18/2005 5:16:57 PM | Message Detail
Link/Magus and Cloud/Sonic have error in them? You lost me.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus
From: Master Moltar | Posted: 7/18/2005 5:18:54 PM | Message Detail
Mushroom Division Round 1 - Match 1 – (1)Mario vs. (8)Joanna Dark

Mario
Game/Series Known From: Super Mario
Extrapolated Rank in 2002: 6th (37.47%)
Extrapolated Rank in 2003: 5th (38.18%)
Extrapolated Rank in 2004: 6th (34.77%)
Seed in 2002: 1
Seed in 2003: 1
Seed in 2004: 2
Lost in 2002 to Link in the Finals
Lost in 2003 to Sephiroth in the Elite 8
Lost in 2004 to Crono in the Sweet 16

Mamma Mia! Look who’s kicking off the Contest again with a 1-seed. It’s Mario!

Joanna Dark
Game/Series Known From: Perfect Dark
Extrapolated Rank in 2002: N/A
Extrapolated Rank in 2003: N/A
Extrapolated Rank in 2004: N/A
Seed in 2002: N/A
Seed in 2003: N/A
Seed in 2004: N/A

Joanna? Now there’s someone I didn’t expect to see in here. Must be PDZ hype.

It’s good to be analyzing a Summer Contest bracket again. So good…

This match should play out a lot like Mario/Morrigan did, except with Joanna being a much weaker Morrigan...meaning the match shouldn’t play out a lot like it at all…meaning that my previous statement doesn’t make sense. Oh well.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Mario will win.

Moltar’s Prediction is: Mario: 78% - Joanna: 22%



Ulti’s Analysis

In six contests, Nintendo has been the 1 seed in the first match six times. Mario continues the trend, and this year Joanna Dark is the fodder. Perfect Dark Zero may have had something to do with this, but Ngamer64 (the biggest Perfect Dark fan on the board) is no slouch in his own right when it comes to rallying some friends. And thankfully, we'll probably see the cel shaded hot Joanna instead of the short-haired idiot from the N64 title.

Not that the match is in question in the least, but Joanna could surprise everyone and land in the 20-25% range. Mario took on JC Denton of Deus Ex fame last year, and Denton managed 16.46%. You have to figure that a console FPS character from one of N64's most critically acclaimed games can do better than 16.46%, especially given recent Xbox exposure.

So what the hell, let's take JC's percentage and add 7% to it.

Ulti’s Prediction: Mario with 76.54%



Soul’s Analysis

What a better way to start off this contest with the mascot of videogames, Mario. Mario finally gets his deserving one seed again. It looks to be a great contest for this somewhat hefty plumber. He actually has a fair shot at winning it all! Well, enough about the future, let's get on with his first round match.

Joanna Dark is from the Perfect Dark games. I'm sure everyone has heard of the PD game for N64 or heard about the PD game for XBox, right? For those of us who are a fan of FPS games, Perfect Dark is one of those truly "wow" games that makes us happy to be fans of the genre. Of course, it wasn't Half Life or another PC FPS, but for a console shooter, it was among the best. The XBox version of Perfect Dark is very anticipated because of it's performance with the N64. Joanna is the main character of the series, in case you didn't know.

So, we kick off the tourny with a relatively close match, right? I mean, PD is a classic game. Joanna should be able to put up a fight, right? Well, let me remind you who exactly she is facing. Mario, the most known video game character of all time. Mario, who stars in classic hits like Super Mario Bros. 3, Super Mario World and Super Mario 64. Mario, who stars in Super Smash Brothers, Super Smash Brother Melee, Super Mario Kart, Mario Kart 64, Mario Golf 64, Mario Tennis, Mario Party 1-18, the list goes on. If there's one way to get your character known is to place him/her in as much spinoffs as possible. It seems like Nintendo mastered that art.

So, can Joanna, with her one classic hit, compare with Mario? Nah, seriously doubt it.

My prediction: Mario wins with 85.56% of the vote. This will hopefully please Heroic Mario.
From: Master Moltar | Posted: 7/18/2005 5:19:19 PM | Message Detail
Outback’s Analysis

He's a friggin ICON!

Another season, another contest. And again, we start with a bang, but with the best bracket in recent contest history, who's complaining? I for one am very happy with the bracket, and await the beatdown that's coming in the first match.

Mario, 82.21, Joanna 17.79



Inviso’s Analysis

Well…once again...Mario is a one seed. And he’s against a hottie. I have seen Joanna Dark from the N64 game…and she was nowhere near as good looking as she is now, and I gotta applaud this pic. But anyway, on to the actual match. Mario is noble nine. He’s pretty much a lock for his division. But unlike previous contests…where he took on Servbot, a weak character from the Megaman series, Captain Olimar, a character from ANOTHER Nintendo game that is nowhere near as popular as the Mario series, and JC Denton, from another game that is relatively overlooked…he’s taking on Joanna. He’s taking on a female character, which is the main character of a game that gets a lot of praise not only on Gamefaqs, but also in the mainstream. It’s often regarded as the best FPS of all time alongside another Rare game…Goldeneye. Combine this with the fact that Mario’s popularity has been on the decline in recent years…with his lack of good games, and Joanna could perform well.

My Bracket: Mario Mario
My Vote: Joanna Dark
My Prediction: Mario Mario with 76.54%



Tnote’s Analysis

Mario has a documented history of first round blow-outs that are just not exactly as big as they should be. Actually, Mario has a documented history of beating a lot of opponents by not quite as much as he should. Some people equate this to some semblance of anti-voting, some people equate this to JC Denton vote stuffers, and everybody else really could care less about why Mario let Captain Olimar crack five-digits.

I personally never got a chance to play Perfect Dark, and I probably will not be touching any subsequent sequel or thirdquel Rare decides to release. That being said, Perfect Dark performed fairly admirably against an extremely under-seeded Symphony of the Night. Joanna should not be as strong in relation to her game as Alucard, but she still may be able to avoid a quadrupling.

Pick: Mario with 78.27%



Vlado’s Analysis

Not much to write here... It's clear Mario will win, even (or especially) if you're a complete n00b on GameFAQs. I'm very surprised Joanna actually made the contest... But there were even bigger surprises there (see Manny Calavera). Since it's her debut, I can only assume about how strong she will be. One could go on and say how she has the so-called TJF on her side and how Mario will also get anti-votes, but I doubt that'll do much... Well, Perfect Dark was one of the big N64 games and Perfect Dark Zero will be huge on the Xbox 360, but... "Will" is the keyword here. Hype alone could hardly give her a significant boost, especially knowing that Xbox is not big on GameFAQs. At least until then, Joanna is just your average fodder, though I believe she'll do a couple percent better than her fellow Rare character Conker.

Predicted percentage: Mario with 72.34%.
From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 7/18/2005 5:20:18 PM | Message Detail
Come to think of it, has Joanna been on the Xbox yet? I've had people tell me that my writeup is wrong.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus
From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 7/18/2005 5:21:14 PM | Message Detail
O_O

Great minds think alike.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/18/2005 5:22:25 PM | Message Detail
Now imagine if Mario actually gets 76.54% on Joanna. That would top Slow's perfect prediction of Sephiroth/Raziel.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno
From: Tediz247 | Posted: 7/18/2005 5:22:28 PM | Message Detail
Sonic/Kratos would be incredibly awesome if Kratos got his judgment costume. Of course, that's assuming he could beat Diablo. I'm also much more confident in Magus since his sprite is so awesome, and Sora/Alucard is starting to worry me even more.
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That... was her final mission. And like a true soldier, she saw it through the end.
ZSB [aX]
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