What? So soon? Yeah, just to be safe, since I'm about to go to bed.

*Creativename's websites*

Everything you could ever imagine:
http://www.sc2k5.com
http://www.sc2k4.com

Summer 2002 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/1

Summer 2003 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/2

Spring 2004 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/3

Summer 2004 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/4

Summer 2005 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/5

Sortable Table for Every Contest Match:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/19



*Extrapolated Standings*

Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/11

Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

Summer 2002 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/13

Summer 2003 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/14

Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/15

SFF Adjusted Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/16

Summer 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/17

SFF Adjusted Summer 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/18

Spring 2005 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/27

All Time Extrapolated Standings:
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/alltimexsts.htm



*Solarshadow's Sites*

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html

Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html



*Old Stats topics*

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)

2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.

Spring 2004 Pre-Season (Chance the number after "Season" to view other pages; there are three of them):
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm

Spring 2004 Contest (Change the number after "Stats" to view other pages; there are eight of them):
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm



*Match Pictures*

All the match pics, save for three from 2002:
http://www.sc2k5.com/gallery/index.php



*Miscellaneous*

Creativename's Page of Links:
http://sc2k4.com/links.php

MMXcalibur's Contest Sites:
http://prophetchallenge.hyperboards2.com/index.cgi
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/

Poll Vote Total Updater:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/25

All Time Top 25/Top 10 Lists:
http://www.rpgdl.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3251



!yawa tsoP
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Mega Man > Crono

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A E I OWN U

Sonic > Mega Man
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The King of all Cosmos' route to summer victory:
Round 1: (4) Tidus... LET ME DREAM :

We could add the Guru topic for bracket submission. Here it is:

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=22205558

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When you get upset, remember it takes 42 muscles to frown, but only 4 to extend your middle finger.

Hey... that's a pretty nice topic number.
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When you get upset, remember it takes 42 muscles to frown, but only 4 to extend your middle finger.

I will ejaculate on Board 8 when Sonic beats Mega Man.
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5/18/05
Never forget. Never forgive.

I'll save your topic insulting the voters when Mega Man beats Sonic.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

Cloud VS Tifa in the final
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My biggest predictions: Mario over Samus, Alucard over Sora, Magus over Dante.

Knuckles > Magus, Squall, Vincent, and Crono.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Knuckles
Serious Reminder: Vote for Tifa Lockheart, too

Luigi > Tifa
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"The strong men take everything and the weak men die." ~ Luca Blight, Suikoden II

In terms of being better, yes. In actually winning the match, no.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

From: Sir Crono
In terms of being better, yes. In actually winning the match, no.


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VOTE MARIO IN SC2K5
http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/8386/votemario26vf.gif

Sonic beats Mega Man.

I did Xsts for 2003 and 2004.


In 2003, Sonic got 33.79% on Cloud and Mega Man would have gotten (With only 1-round off Xsts) 37.4%. Big difference.


In 2004, (When Cloud dropped), Sonic would have gotten 34.83% on Cloud (Sonic got 1% more on a weaker Cloud) and Mega Man would have gotten...... 33.61%! So not only did the number vs. Cloud drop..... MEGA MAN DID WORSE AGAINST A WEAKER CLOUD! Almost 4% weaker! SO whether or not Cloud dropped, stayed even, or rose, Sonic still would have done 1.2% better.

Check and Mate.


(The Xsts say Mega Man wins 55-45 in 2003 and loses 48-52 in 2004)

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Happily married to Alanna82 on Valentines Day 2005
America's True Favorite Pastime: Naked DDR.

...Cloud was weaker in 2k4?
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The King of all Cosmos' route to summer victory:
Round 1: (4) Tidus... LET ME DREAM :

And he's not taking into account Megaman underperforming on Link, either.

What a cruddy, worthless explanation that is nothing more than a blatant display of fanboyism.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

... I hate you Tediz.

=P
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SC2K5: Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot
I wouldn't be surprised if Mario doubled Zero. ~maplejet

^_^
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That... was her final mission. And like a true soldier, she saw it through the end.
ZSB [aX]

Don't get me wrong though, I love Ocelot.

>_>
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SC2K5: Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot
I wouldn't be surprised if Mario doubled Zero. ~maplejet

From: outback | Posted: 7/15/2005 12:28:43 PM | Message Detail
From: Sir Crono
In terms of being better, yes. In actually winning the match, no.

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PETITION: Ability to preview contests to moderators before posting it. http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=19643565 (198 Signs!)

Only a few more days....
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

In 2004, (When Cloud dropped)

...proof?
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That... was her final mission. And like a true soldier, she saw it through the end.
ZSB [aX]

Maybe he thinks going from beating Link 52-48 to losing 52-48 must absolutely means Cloud dropped, when it makes far more sense that Link increased and Cloud stayed the same?

Man, we're asking common sense out of a Sonic supporter. Maybe we shouldn't be so harsh... =)
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

In 2003, Sonic got 33.79% on Cloud and Mega Man would have gotten (With only 1-round off Xsts) 37.4%. Big difference.

:o
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SC2K5: Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot
I wouldn't be surprised if Mario doubled Zero. ~maplejet

Of course, based on the 2004 stats, Sonic is stronger than Mega Man. The whole 20XX Division is all outta whack though.
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It's just not the same without this name.
Faithful supporter of Squall Leonhart in SC2K5

Yeha, that's one thing this board has taught me... don't expect common sense from Sonic fanboys.
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"Have you missed me? Was I there? I was dreaming... someone cared" - Iio "Give it Up"

Yeha, that's one thing this board has taught me... don't expect common sense from Sonic fanboys.

I find that highly offensive. >_>

BTW, Zidane is a thief who uses double daggers, right?
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SC2K5: Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot
I wouldn't be surprised if Mario doubled Zero. ~maplejet

"I find that highly offensive. >_>"

You haven't been the pinnacle of common sense yourself.
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"Have you missed me? Was I there? I was dreaming... someone cared" - Iio "Give it Up"

How could you possibly say that?... I... Damn.
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SC2K5: Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot
I wouldn't be surprised if Mario doubled Zero. ~maplejet

Tag.
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www.SC2K5.com

Anyone else worried about Tidus/Bowser?

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A E I OWN U

Naw, I don't think Tidus can win that. Unless he disproves all transitivity then his 2k3 number was a fluke and he should lose soundly.
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"Have you missed me? Was I there? I was dreaming... someone cared" - Iio "Give it Up"

BTW, Zidane is a thief who uses double daggers, right?

Pretty much, yeah. Don't forget the monkey tail.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

*tag until I have something useful to say*
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

how badly would you want the contest to start tomorrow instead of having to wait so long?
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

Well, I'm just glad it's almost here.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

I wouldn't care, I'm still worried over a few matches.
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Shut up, make me a sandwich. That is all.

so what are the realistic odds that one of us on board 8 preferably one who also signed up for the guru contest actually won the entire thing. it's possible cause we have the experts but will we get a winner from here. plus who thinks they will be no perfect brackets this year
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

RAWR I NEED A CONTEST DAMMIT.

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Explicit Content, having fun, not being warned.
Cheer Up Emo Kids.

so what are the realistic odds that one of us on board 8 preferably one who also signed up for the guru contest actually won the entire thing. it's possible cause we have the experts but will we get a winner from here. plus who thinks they will be no perfect brackets this year

There will not be a perfect bracket, and I think we've only had a guru contester win once (Ulti).
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

Well, I'm back. I hope I didn't miss anything.
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Spring Contest 2005 - 68/80 points
"Not even death can save you from me" - Diablo

There will not be a perfect bracket,

Correct! Except mine, of course.

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 1 - (8) Joanna Dark
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6734/cunning9ej.jpg

LOL VINCENT VALENTINE.

>_>
<_<

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Explicit Content, having fun, not being warned.
Cheer Up Emo Kids.

Ryu should get 51-52% on Bowser based on the SFF adjusted X-Stats
Ryu should get 59-60% on Bowser based on the non SFF adjusted X-Stats

_0
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May 05 NPD Sales - PSP - 250k. DS - 57k.
PSP trumps DS by 4.38x in sales for the month of May.

Ryu should get 59-60% on Bowser based on the non SFF adjusted X-Stats

And Bowser clearly suffered SFF, so using them for a match like this would be rather dumb.

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 1 - (8) Joanna Dark
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6734/cunning9ej.jpg

There was no SFF in Bowser/Mario obv.
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May 05 NPD Sales - PSP - 250k. DS - 57k.
PSP trumps DS by 4.38x in sales for the month of May.

Strange how Ganondorf/Alucard puts Ganondorf and Bowser in nearly the exact same proportion as they were in the Spring Contest, isn't it? Of course, those two staying constant either means that Sephiroth dropped a WHOLE LOT or the Villains Contest stats aren't worth considering (I'd go with the latter).
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Ryu should get 51-52% on Bowser based on the SFF adjusted X-Stats

Also Bowser's 2k3 level, which we had no idea whether he increased or not.
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Shut up, make me a sandwich. That is all.

There was no SFF in Bowser/Mario obv.

Are you joking?
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Shut up, make me a sandwich. That is all.

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

I was obv joking on the SFF comment _-.

Bowser > Guybrush can hint if he increased/decreased.
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May 05 NPD Sales - PSP - 250k. DS - 57k.
PSP trumps DS by 4.38x in sales for the month of May.

Using a 3-year-old Guybrush number probably wouldn't be very helpful.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

If he decreased I think it would of at least shown in the last Spring Contest.
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Shut up, make me a sandwich. That is all.

Well, he did exactly as was expected. Boring.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/16/2005 7:52:59 PM | #051
Using a 3-year-old Guybrush number probably wouldn't be very helpful.

Well, if it's of any value, Bowser didn't move much. Barring that wacky match with Seph, Ryu is the statistical favorite.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

I was obv joking on the SFF comment _-.

Bowser > Guybrush can hint if he increased/decreased.

Based on Guy's 2k2 Number and Bowser's 2k3 Number(Adjusted to the strenght of Link/Cloud) Bowser was expected to get 85-86% on Guy.

In 2k4, Bowser got 83% on Guy.

It's fodder but call it what you wish -_.
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May 05 NPD Sales - PSP - 250k. DS - 57k.
PSP trumps DS by 4.38x in sales for the month of May.

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

Actually, Bowser doing "exactly as expected" against 2002 Guybrush would drop him down to 28.87, just above Kirby. He was "supposed" to get 84.12% instead of the 82.99% he actually got.

Yes, it doesn't seem like that big of a difference (1.13%), but remember that it gets far more difficult to increase percentage as you get higher. Going from 50 to 55 is MUCH easier than going from 80-85. It's just as difficult to go from a tripling to a quadrupling (5% difference) as it is to go from a doubling to a tripling (9% difference).
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

But 2k2 is very old data. Maybe if Guybrush did way better, it would hint something, but it predicted almost exactly.
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Shut up, make me a sandwich. That is all.

Slow, who do you have in your bracket, just wondering.

And Im kinda worried about Ryu/Bowser vs Tidus.

If Tidus is relatively equal to Shadow's level then he could get 44-46% on Mario. Now Ryu who is relatively equal IF stronger(statistically) than Bowser got 45% on Sonic.

Last I checked,

44-46% on Mario > 45% on Sonic

Of course, you can go say "Shadow overperformed" but that is a baseless statement supported by no facts.

Personally, I hate the Tidus/Bowser/Ryu/Snake foursome

_-.
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May 05 NPD Sales - PSP - 250k. DS - 57k.
PSP trumps DS by 4.38x in sales for the month of May.

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

Look at the BOP. I have the exact same thing in every match.

Not that it's a good thing, but I made these picks without checking anything prior, and I'm scared of changing anything.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

You know, nevermind, Guybrush did better in 2004 than he did in 2002. My mistake.

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 1 - (8) Joanna Dark
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6734/cunning9ej.jpg

Honestly, if Snake is going down before the semis, it'll be to Tidus. But he has to get there first, as he is erratic as sin.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

Bowser can, and will, beat Snake. I had Tidus for a good, but just can't see that one for some reason.

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 1 - (8) Joanna Dark
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6734/cunning9ej.jpg

Of course he is. You could sooner blame the erratic activity on Mega Man.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Sonic more or less = Ganondorf. Tidus goes from 41% to 49% in the span of one year, though you can chalk that up to KH like the rest of them.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

Sonic was stronger in 2002 than he was in 2003 anyhow.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

err..

We don't even know if Bowser will beat Ryu or Tidus..so putting him over Snake is erratic.

Taking one statistical upset is fine and dandy, but two is just borderline crazy _-.

I don't have Excel Slowflake _-. Can you just like post the BOP bracket in the topic when you update. Thanks.
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May 05 NPD Sales - PSP - 250k. DS - 57k.
PSP trumps DS by 4.38x in sales for the month of May.

How does Sonic = Ganondorf?

I had Tidus for a good, but just can't see that one for some reason.

Playing SMB3 is my guess.
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SC2K5: Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot
I wouldn't be surprised if Mario doubled Zero. ~maplejet

Taking one statistical upset is fine and dandy, but two is just borderline crazy _-.

Haha.

No.

Don't worry, I'll post the entire thing when it's over.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

Snake is going down to Zelda. >_>
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I know what I'm getting into, I don't care if I die trying!-Peppita Rossetti

Zelda's not beating Vivi.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Taking one statistical upset is fine and dandy, but two is just borderline crazy _-.

..No.
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Shut up, make me a sandwich. That is all.

Taking one statistical upset is fine and dandy, but two is just borderline crazy _-.

I assume that you have all the bracketmaking skills of Slowflake then.

Enough to perform decently, but never enough to win...
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SC2K5: Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot
I wouldn't be surprised if Mario doubled Zero. ~maplejet

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

However, 2k4 Mario dropped 3% from 2k3 -> 2k4 therefore making 2k3 Shadow vs 2k4 Mario a 48-52% affair.

Where are you getting this from? If you're looking at creative's stats on his site, 2003 and 2004 use a different base.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

2k3 Mario vs Crono - 50-50
2k4 Mario vs Crono - 47-53

Comparing 2k3 Mario vs 2k3 Link and 2k4 Mario vs 2k3 Link yields a 2% droppage so he dropped 2k3 -> 2k4 2-3% more or less.
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May 05 NPD Sales - PSP - 250k. DS - 57k.
PSP trumps DS by 4.38x in sales for the month of May.

2k3 Mario vs Crono - 50-50
2k4 Mario vs Crono - 47-53

Yes, because we KNOW that Mario HAD to have dropped instead of Crono increasing.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Leonhart, stop. Just read this:

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=22186678
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Flee back to your masters, Aldaris, and huddle with them in darkness! For your actions shall set us all unto the Zerg! ~ Tassadar

From: Mumei | Posted: 7/14/2005 6:32:35 PM | Message Detail | #031
... You are quite annoying. >_>

>>>>XD

You can be so cruel, Moomei.
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SC2K5: Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot
I wouldn't be surprised if Mario doubled Zero. ~maplejet

... I can't help but find him annoying. He somehow reminds me of Tai. Not in every aspect, but in some ways. The most annoying ways.

Though I'm sure he is a wonderful person.

<_<
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Flee back to your masters, Aldaris, and huddle with them in darkness! For your actions shall set us all unto the Zerg! ~ Tassadar

However, 2k4 Mario dropped 3% from 2k3 -> 2k4 therefore making 2k3 Shadow vs 2k4 Mario a 48-52% affair.

Mario didn't drop, he stayed constant.

Since 2k4 Shadow dropped 2% from 2k3 Shadow then 2k4 Shadow would be predicted to get 46% on 2k4 Mario.

Show me.

2k3 Shadow got 45% on a stronger 2k3 Mario.

Everything is about Shadow isn't it....>_>
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Shut up, make me a sandwich. That is all.

Thinking Crono didnt increase is foolish. Chrono Trigger as a whole just keeps looking stronger year after year. Now I wonder if that will continue this year.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

He somehow reminds me of Tai.

Tai used decent logic.
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Shut up, make me a sandwich. That is all.

Mario didn't drop, he stayed constant.

Or so we assume.
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

And you claim that I am cruel, Shadowdude. =P
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Flee back to your masters, Aldaris, and huddle with them in darkness! For your actions shall set us all unto the Zerg! ~ Tassadar

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

Or so we assume.

Didn't Crono perform about as he was expected to on Link (if Link hadn't increased) and that is why we assume that Crono went up and Mario didn't drop? ... That was my understanding, at least.

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Flee back to your masters, Aldaris, and huddle with them in darkness! For your actions shall set us all unto the Zerg! ~ Tassadar

And you claim that I am cruel, Shadowdude. =P

Me? Cruel?

My internet ego is shattered.
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SC2K5: Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot
I wouldn't be surprised if Mario doubled Zero. ~maplejet

Nothing suggests that Crono strenghtened.. Regardless..

You mean other than the fact that he did?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Me? Cruel?

My internet ego is shattered.

Actually, I was referring to Dranze's comment.

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Flee back to your masters, Aldaris, and huddle with them in darkness! For your actions shall set us all unto the Zerg! ~ Tassadar

I wonder what's this guy's thoughts on that Mega Man match.
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Shut up, make me a sandwich. That is all.

My ego is restored, but my dignity is forsaken.

Alas, the only way to redeem myself is suicide.
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SC2K5: Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot
I wouldn't be surprised if Mario doubled Zero. ~maplejet

And even that's a stretch.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

According to creative's 2K3 stats, Crono was supposed to get 38.14% on 2K3 Link in 2003. Assuming Link went up as much as we think he did, Crono should've gotten 39.87% on 2003 Link.

It may be more or it may be less, but I don't see how one can make the argument that it doesn't look like Crono went up...
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Flee back to your masters, Aldaris, and huddle with them in darkness! For your actions shall set us all unto the Zerg! ~ Tassadar

According to SC2k5

2k3 Mario vs 2k3 Link - 38.18
2k4 Mario vs 2k3 Link - 37.28

2k3 Crono vs 2k3 Link - 38.14
2k4 Crono vs 2k3 Link - 39.87

Mario weakened about a percent.
Crono strengthened nearly two percent.

Mario dropped from 2k3 -> 2k4
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May 05 NPD Sales - PSP - 250k. DS - 57k.
PSP trumps DS by 4.38x in sales for the month of May.

And he still beats Shadow easily.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Ok, let's try this again..

2k4 Tidus > 2k4 Shadow by 1%

2k3 Shadow got 45% against 2k3 Mario

2k3 Mario > 2k4 Mario by 1%

2k3 Shadow > 2k4 Shadow by 1%

2k4 Shadow would get 44% against 2k4 Mario

2k4 Tidus(being 1% stronger than 2k4 Shadow) would get 45% against 2k4 Mario.

In comparison, Ryu got 45% against Sonic. Sonic is approx 1% weaker than 2k4 Mario. So Ryu would be predicted to get 44% against 2k4 Mario.(Bowser would be expected to get around the same if SFF didn't exist)

So..

Tidus' 45% Against 2k4 Mario > Ryu/Bowser's 44% Against 2k4 Mario

That makes Shadowdude's Elite 8 Tidus pick look better ^_^

If you believe the winner of Ryu/Bowser could beat Snake, then going by my logic, Tidus could very well be in the Final 4. Creepy, isn't it?

I smell Dark Horse :)
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May 05 NPD Sales - PSP - 250k. DS - 57k.
PSP trumps DS by 4.38x in sales for the month of May.

..But that's only assuming everyone and I mean EVERYONE stayed constant...
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Shut up, make me a sandwich. That is all.

This topic would be rather amusing if Chichiri were here. >_>
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Flee back to your masters, Aldaris, and huddle with them in darkness! For your actions shall set us all unto the Zerg! ~ Tassadar

That's what I've been saying from day 1. Bowser over Snake is a helluva longshot. Ryu over Snake is a helluva longshot. Tidus over Snake is actually somewhat doable.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

Playing SMB3 is my guess.

I play that weekly, fool. =p

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 1 - (8) Joanna Dark
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6734/cunning9ej.jpg

Tah-dah!
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"Have you missed me? Was I there? I was dreaming... someone cared" - Iio "Give it Up"

That sig is soooo appropriate right now, Chichiri.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

I play that weekly, fool. =p

Super Mario 64. Close this topic.

=P

And I don't see why Tidus over Snake is any more likely than Bowser over Snake.

Granted, neither will beat him.
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SC2K5: Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot
I wouldn't be surprised if Mario doubled Zero. ~maplejet

YAY!

*hugs Chichiri* ^_^
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Flee back to your masters, Aldaris, and huddle with them in darkness! For your actions shall set us all unto the Zerg! ~ Tassadar

Bowser over Snake is a helluva longshot. Ryu over Snake is a helluva longshot.

I want to know how a match projected to no greater than 53% for Snake can be called a "helluva longshot."

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 1 - (8) Joanna Dark
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6734/cunning9ej.jpg

Tidus can't beat Snake unless his 2k3 number is correct and still applicable. Tidus' 2k3 number can't be correct unless he magically falls victim to massive beatings against noble nine member which destroys transitivity and still doesn't give him a great shot at Snake, considering. I have no inclination to believe that Tidus would score the same on Ganon. There is a fair chance that Tidus did so well in that match for the same reason that 70% took him over Shadow in a match we knew would be close... he's a FF lead. Tidus won't beat Ryu/Bowser and couldn't beat Snake. The proposition is rather ridiculous considering that they had a common opponnet last year, anyway.
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"Have you missed me? Was I there? I was dreaming... someone cared" - Iio "Give it Up"

Metal. Gear. Solid. Three.

And I don't see why Tidus over Snake is any more likely than Bowser over Snake.

Because Tidus has shown the necessary power to do so in a non-themed contest.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

I want to know how a match projected to no greater than 53% for Snake can be called a "helluva longshot."

Easy. Slowflake used an interesting new formula where you say upsets that are extremely plausible are "longshots."
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

Tidus over Snake is actually somewhat doable.

Considering his tendency to choke against the big boys, I actually think this is the least likely.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

The proposition is rather ridiculous considering that they had a common opponnet last year, anyway.

Yeah, and many people are parading Mega Man over Crono too. =\
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SC2K5: Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot
I wouldn't be surprised if Mario doubled Zero. ~maplejet

Metal. Gear. Solid. Three.

Ah, right, yes, that's going to completely put him out of Bowser's league. After all, Bowser has remained the same since 2003.

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 1 - (8) Joanna Dark
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6734/cunning9ej.jpg

Indeed.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

Easy. Slowflake used an interesting new formula where you say upsets that are extremely plausible are "longshots."

Probably true.

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 1 - (8) Joanna Dark
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6734/cunning9ej.jpg

SSBM bloodied MGS2. Don't you remember?
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

Dominated, destroyed, decimated, demolished, etc.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

MGS3 = Metal Gear missing Snake. I just don't see him getting so much better off a game he's not in.

Yeah, Tidus showed that power once, and half the math points to the whole four pack being wrong.

Mega Man over Crono is a bad pick. A year ago, sure... but since they had a common opponent there's no reason to believe MM > Crono.
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"Have you missed me? Was I there? I was dreaming... someone cared" - Iio "Give it Up"

Speaking of MGS2, it's amazing how all the Raiden hate just vanished since two years ago. What the hell happened? I can understand Squall, because of KH, but Raiden? Is it a side-effect of facing Snake? (Is Knuckles a deity now?)
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

But Solid Snake IS in Metal Gear Solid 3.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

I still use the logic for MGS 3 to increase Snake, people would have had to play MGS 3. People who play through MGS 3 know by the end of that playthrough Naked Snake != Solid Snake. These same people would then have no reason to favor Solid Snake anymore unless we are going by the logic that series strength has a big affect on character strength which the FF series (really the only example I can use) doesnt seem to hold up.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Yeah, and you all underestimated MGS2, as well. In comparison that was indeed a very well fought match for SSBM.
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"Have you missed me? Was I there? I was dreaming... someone cared" - Iio "Give it Up"

It's because MGS3 came out, and people are whining about how MGS2 is better. But then they see Raiden and they're faced with the choice - Bash Raiden, or bash MGS3? They chose MGS3, and Raiden hate has died down.

=P
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SC2K5: Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot
I wouldn't be surprised if Mario doubled Zero. ~maplejet

Shadow and Liquid put up insane fights in seemingly hopeless causes in the past... I wouldn't put the clone factor to rest just yet.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

People aren't exactly stupid to the point where they play through Metal Gear Solid 3 and suddenly have this urge to vote Solid Snake last year. If anything, Big Boss being in this contest should help him more than it would Solid Snake. If he does get a boost from MGS3, I wouldn't expect him to get that much from it, especially to make Bowser over Snake a "helluva longshot."

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 1 - (8) Joanna Dark
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6734/cunning9ej.jpg

From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/16/2005 9:38:41 PM | #122
But Solid Snake IS in Metal Gear Solid 3.

As a sperm in Naked Snake's left nut?
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

The clone factor should help Big Boss not the person being cloned in Solid Snake. Unless you are using the logic that the game Shadow the Hedgehog will boost Sonic even if he isnt in it.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Shadow got lucky, he faced the only character where it'd be important to be a Sonic clone.
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"Have you missed me? Was I there? I was dreaming... someone cared" - Iio "Give it Up"

No, as Solid Snake. Snake vs. Monkey, yo.

Naked Snake is sterile anyway.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

As a sperm in Naked Snake's left nut?

XD

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 1 - (8) Joanna Dark
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6734/cunning9ej.jpg

Anybody think that the fact that Solid Snake is the face of his series could help him, even though he's not in the newest release?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Just checked the BOP _--.

More people have Ryu > Bowser than Bowser > Snake. That's a good thing.

My bracket is the same as the BOP sans Ryu > Bowser and Tidus and Dante > Vincent.

Slow, if your bracket is the same as the BOP, wouldn't you be relying on a good tie breaker?
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May 05 NPD Sales - PSP - 250k. DS - 57k.
PSP trumps DS by 4.38x in sales for the month of May.

How many times has the clone been stronger than the original?

Big Boss over Auron, 2005.
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SC2K5: Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot
I wouldn't be surprised if Mario doubled Zero. ~maplejet

From: ChichiriMuyo
Shadow got lucky, he faced the only character where it'd be important to be a Sonic clone.

You mean the only characterS.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

I'm going for as good a score as I possibly can, not stray from the pack in all the wrong matches like I did for the two 2004 contests.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

Anybody think that the fact that Solid Snake is the face of his series could help him, even though he's not in the newest release?

Yeah. I don't see any reason why someone who'd played MGS3 wouldn't vote for Solid.
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SC2K5: Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot
I wouldn't be surprised if Mario doubled Zero. ~maplejet

From: Shadowdude II

Yeah. I don't see any reason why someone who'd played MGS3 wouldn't vote for Solid.

Ive played MGS3, there are A LOT of characters I vote for over Solid.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

"You mean the only characterS."

I suppose so.

"I'm going for as good a score as I possibly can, not stray from the pack in all the wrong matches like I did for the two 2004 contests."

Sometimes you just get the urge to go for the WIN instead of the good score. Don't call us crazy just because we follow through.
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"Have you missed me? Was I there? I was dreaming... someone cared" - Iio "Give it Up"

Also, does anybody think that a huge Mega Man X release would help the Blue Bomber, even though he technically would not be in the game? After all, he and X are almost identical.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

More people have Ryu > Bowser than Bowser > Snake. That's a good thing.

WRONG. 24 vs. 25. Which makes no sense, you gotta admit that.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

Ive played MGS3, there are A LOT of characters I vote for over Solid.

I don't think he meant over anybody. I think he meant as a general rule of thumb.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/16/2005 9:47:32 PM | #141
Also, does anybody think that a huge Mega Man X release would help the Blue Bomber, even though he technically would not be in the game? After all, he and X are almost identical.

According to CJayC, the Megaman entries regroups all Megamen... dunno if the front-page voter picks up on this though. After all, each incarnation has a different name, unlike Link and Zelda.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

As a general rule of thumb? Saying MGS 3 is going to cause more people to vote for Snake is like saying FFXII is going to cause more people to vote for Tidus just because the two leads are girly men.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

"Also, does anybody think that a huge Mega Man X release would help the Blue Bomber, even though he technically would not be in the game? After all, he and X are almost identical."

Using common sense I've come up with two responses to that statment.

1: It's pretty much consensus that we all consider MM and X as one. If you don't you should be aware that you're supposed to. If you still don't then remember that MM is greater than X anyway.

2: There will never again be a good game in the MMX series.
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"Have you missed me? Was I there? I was dreaming... someone cared" - Iio "Give it Up"

According to CJayC, the Megaman entries regroups all Megamen

Well, that doesn't really mean anything to the voters. I'm asking if it would result in a strength increase.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Mega Man is one of those characters that only has one way to go.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Saying MGS 3 is going to cause more people to vote for Snake is like saying FFXII is going to cause more people to vote for Tidus just because the two leads are girly men.

Yeah, it's not like MGS3 is connected to the rest of the series or anything.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Fine. Does Sonic get a boost from Shadow the Hedgehog?
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

If it means anything to the voters, then yes, it could. Doesn't mean it will.

If it means nothing, then there's no chance of a boost.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

From: NewLib | Posted: 7/16/2005 9:52:02 PM | #150
Fine. Does Sonic get a boost from Shadow the Hedgehog?

The problem doesn't lie there. From what I understand, there are more similarities between Solid and Naked than just looks. Attitude, etc.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

Does Shadow the Hedgehog have essentially the same personality as Sonic?
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SC2K5: Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot
I wouldn't be surprised if Mario doubled Zero. ~maplejet

From Shadow's game? Since Sonic will be in it, there's a chance.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

*Analyzes Shadowdude's Elite 8*


SC2K5: Mario ~ Likely, Frog ~ Frog would break 45% on Samus; Nothing more :(, Snake ~ Likely, Tidus ~ One of the better upset picks(Tidus > Bowser/Ryu), Crono ~ Likely , Knuckles ~ If he gets Sonic stength magically, then it WOULD happen, Sonic ~ Likely, Ocelot ~ MGS3 Young Ocelot obv gets a leet boost over Megaman

I like your Elite 8 Shadowdude. It has a magical feel to it ;)
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May 05 NPD Sales - PSP - 250k. DS - 57k.
PSP trumps DS by 4.38x in sales for the month of May.

"Yeah, it's not like MGS3 is connected to the rest of the series or anything."

By the loosest of threads, from what I understand of the story. To be honest it's rather clear that the storyline is a "we made **** up as we went along" case and that all attributes binding it together were clearly contrived.
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"Have you missed me? Was I there? I was dreaming... someone cared" - Iio "Give it Up"

The problem doesn't lie there. From what I understand, there are more similarities between Solid and Naked than just looks. Attitude, etc.

Yep. If you imagine MGS3 as Solid Snake as a rookie, you've got it. Big Boss reacts exactly as Snake would act, but he is considerably less battle-seasoned, which gives them some distinction. Personally, Boss's naivite makes him a better character to me, but hate it as I might, the two are pretty interchangeable.
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SC2K5: Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot
I wouldn't be surprised if Mario doubled Zero. ~maplejet

"Fine. Does Sonic get a boost from Shadow the Hedgehog"

I'd say not likely.

Bout time for me to mosey off now. Laters.
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"Have you missed me? Was I there? I was dreaming... someone cared" - Iio "Give it Up"

And of course, Sonic rules and Shadow sucks.

It begged to be said.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

Why do people have to make this so difficult.

Okay lets pretend Sonic isnt in Shadow the Hedgehog. Does Sonic still get a noticable boost from the game?
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Knuckles owns everyone else in that series even with his crappy SA2 raps.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Probably not. Still going from hearsay, you can't swap around Sonic and Shadow like you could Solid and Naked.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

If Shadow was just like Sonic, then he just might. As it stands, they're quite different in personality.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Okay Shadow = Sonic except Shadow has "BAD ATTITUDE" and Sonic has "GOOD ATTITUDE". Basically, Shadow is Sonic during his random mood swings.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

I'm starting to think if there was any justice, King of all Cosmos is the neo-Tanner of SC2K5.
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Vote every day in the NCAA Character Battle 2005 contest!

Okay Shadow = Sonic except Shadow has "BAD ATTITUDE" and Sonic has "GOOD ATTITUDE". Basically, Shadow is Sonic during his random mood swings.

You can't say the same for Big Boss and Solid Snake.
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SC2K5: Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot
I wouldn't be surprised if Mario doubled Zero. ~maplejet

The King will probably be below the Vyse fodder line.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

There is no doubt The King will be below Vyse. The question is will he be closer to Gordon Freeman or Tanner.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

On August 1st, you're waking up WITHOUT the King! Mwaha!
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

It'll be very weird to see Tidus with such a high percentage. It almost doesn't make sense.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

Snake will return to around his 2k3 levels after MGS3 + MGA. Not to mention the new "Gamespot" Factor. I see Snake returning to the Elite 8 after the contest.

My 2005 Noble 9

1) Link - 50.00
2) Cloud - 49.34
3) Sephiroth - 43.86
4) Samus - 41.74
5) Crono - 40.17
6) Megaman - 39.31
7) Mario - 38.78
8) Snake - 38.05
9) Sonic - 37.91

Numbers are a little high but I don't don't see Link getting 65%+ on any of the Noble 9 this year. This bracket is too close and too fun for that :)
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May 05 NPD Sales - PSP - 250k. DS - 57k.
PSP trumps DS by 4.38x in sales for the month of May.

It'll be very weird to see Tidus with such a high percentage. It almost doesn't make sense.

And it would be great. That's the only time I want to root against my bracket(hey, gotta have an upset special or two hidden somewhere in there). The King shouldn't even beat Cats.
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Vote every day in the NCAA Character Battle 2005 contest!

Ive played MGS3, there are A LOT of characters I vote for over Solid.

Snake shouldn't have suddenly gained fans from MGS3. If you didn't vote for Snake pre-MGS3, why would you vote for him post-MGS3? His role in the game was even lesser than it was in MGS2. Yes, you played as somone similar, but I would like to think that people realize they aren't playing as Solid Snake when the game, you know, alerts you to this fact. Hell, Konami made this clear before the game even came out.

Honestly, why Snake is somehow going to receive substantial boost from this game doesn't make a lick of sense to me. The game sold well, yes, (915,000), but it didn't exactly sell on par with the 2 million of the previous entry or even MGS. I would wager that Snake's boost will be minimal.

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 1 - (8) Joanna Dark
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6734/cunning9ej.jpg

Seriously dude, listen to me. The King has NO chance to beat Tidus whatsoever. Ask all of his serious fans. They'll tell you the same thing.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Snake will return to around his 2k3 levels after MGS3 + MGA.

Ah, yes, MGA, the game that is on a platform roughly one million own and not even 300,000 own said game.

So, I suppose MGS3 is going to boost Snake up a whopping 8%? Excuse me while I laugh.

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 1 - (8) Joanna Dark
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6734/cunning9ej.jpg

If it matters, I'll be voting Solid Snake as I would be voting Big Boss.

I'm sure I'm not the only one.

>_>
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SC2K5: Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot
I wouldn't be surprised if Mario doubled Zero. ~maplejet

Eh, sometimes characters go through a rough spot. Sonic had his in 2003 and he recovered a bit last year. Granted, he never fell as far as Snake did, but still.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

I still don't see why Bowser > Snake is such a longshot.

It seems like a better pick than Terra > Dante or Squall > Magus.

I think the Bower/Snake make is still a little bit of a coin flip. Bowser will make it there but he might need some extra help to win.

Bowser over Snake isn't a bad upset by any means. I'm just not taking it.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

err

MGS3 is 1.2 Mill +

MGA is 600k +

Thats your near 2 Mill Right there..

Did you ever think that MGS3 would *gasp* bring more fans to the series? or *gasp* make you like Snake even more?

Random Fan 1:

*votes against Snake in 2k4*

Reasoning : I hated the confusing story line in the last MGS2 and I didn't even get to play as Snake!

*votes for Snake in 2k5*

Reasoning : I got to play as the badass the whole game! Sniping Russians in the ****ing jungle with awesome and understandable cinemas!

Random Fan 2:

*votes against Snake in 2k4*

Reasoning : I had heard of a MGS and Snake but never played it. Maybe I will catch the next MGS game.

*votes for Snake in 2k5*

Reasoning : I played MGS3 and liked it. I am now a fan of the series!

That is how you gain votes!
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May 05 NPD Sales - PSP - 250k. DS - 57k.
PSP trumps DS by 4.38x in sales for the month of May.

Bowser > Snake = Ryu > Bowser in upset potential on this board ( 25 vs 24 in BOP) and in my head :)
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May 05 NPD Sales - PSP - 250k. DS - 57k.
PSP trumps DS by 4.38x in sales for the month of May.

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

Bowser/Snake

Alucard/Sora

Luigi/Tifa

Are the only matches i'm worrying about now, but mostly the last two.

I think i'm just going to have to flip a coin with Alucard/Sora and I'm leaning towards Tifa the more I think about it.

Maybe I'm just too proud of Bowser, but I have to agree with you Tequila Gundam.

MGS3 is 1.2 Mill +

MGA is 600k +

I'll enjoy it if you not pull random numbers out of your ass, thank you.

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 1 - (8) Joanna Dark
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6734/cunning9ej.jpg

Link to MGS3's 915k? plz.
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May 05 NPD Sales - PSP - 250k. DS - 57k.
PSP trumps DS by 4.38x in sales for the month of May.

Try this "soon to be answered" 4 pack

1 Ganon
4 Vivi

3 Zelda
2 Auron

or better yet... inequality all 4

My analysis/gut pick right now is:
Ganon>Auron>Zelda>Vivi

though I feel like I'm not doing justice there.

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Spring Contest 2k5 Score: 76/80 T-117th

I have a question. How better would Tifa need to do over Aeris for her to beat Sonic? Thanks.
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That's right. Cloud N. Candy would get a NEGATIVE percentage, and RPGuy's extrapolated calculator would crash. - therealmnm

Getting at least 70% on Vyse.
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Shut up, make me a sandwich. That is all.

Tifa would need 55.49% on 2k3 Aeris to take out 2k4 Sonic.
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"The strong men take everything and the weak men die." ~ Luca Blight, Suikoden II

..Or that..
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Shut up, make me a sandwich. That is all.

Live by ATV, die by ATV :)
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May 05 NPD Sales - PSP - 250k. DS - 57k.
PSP trumps DS by 4.38x in sales for the month of May.

RPG, did you post your bracket anywhere on the board?

I would like to see how the master statistician makes his bracket :)
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May 05 NPD Sales - PSP - 250k. DS - 57k.
PSP trumps DS by 4.38x in sales for the month of May.

The master statisticians are creativename, Dabu, and Apronsenf, not I. My bracket is filled with what some might consider implausible upsets, and you can find it in the Guru contest.
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"The strong men take everything and the weak men die." ~ Luca Blight, Suikoden II

Tifa would need 55.49% on 2k3 Aeris to take out 2k4 Sonic.

Sounds about impossible! ^_^

I'm curious, how much would Tifa need to get on Aeris to be equal to Luigi? I could figure this out myself but.... you can do it instead! ^_^
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

The master statistician defies the stats quite often, from what I've seen.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Would the FF7 SFF go towards Aeris or Tifa?

*pulls out the bull rSFF used for Mario/Samus upsets*
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May 05 NPD Sales - PSP - 250k. DS - 57k.
PSP trumps DS by 4.38x in sales for the month of May.

Ahh, Sir Crono.

Examples?

A statistician never betrays his own numbers :)
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May 05 NPD Sales - PSP - 250k. DS - 57k.
PSP trumps DS by 4.38x in sales for the month of May.

RPGuy has the same number of upsets (according to the BOP) as me, for anyone interested.

Unless that was RPGGamer... --;
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

No, yeah, it was RPGuy! ~_^ 12 upsets 4 laif!!!
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

I'm curious, how much would Tifa need to get on Aeris to be equal to Luigi? I could figure this out myself but.... you can do it instead! ^_^

Well, you know that I disagree with Luigi's 25.24% very much, but 2k3 Aeris would be expected to get 61.54% on that number.

And that was indeed me, and I don't remember if I counted Alucard > Sora as an upset, so I might have more.
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"The strong men take everything and the weak men die." ~ Luca Blight, Suikoden II

Alu over Sora is an upset :()
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May 05 NPD Sales - PSP - 250k. DS - 57k.
PSP trumps DS by 4.38x in sales for the month of May.

Aluc > Sora is definitely a risk.
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- So says Swift -
Proud Supporter of Link and Samus!

It is by the BOP, though it's very close.
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"The strong men take everything and the weak men die." ~ Luca Blight, Suikoden II

I'm starting to think if there was any justice, King of all Cosmos is the neo-Link of SC2K5.

Obviously.

Too bad that there's no chance >:(
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The King of all Cosmos' route to summer victory:
Round 1: (4) Tidus... LET ME DREAM :

Thats your only BOP upset, Pi?
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May 05 NPD Sales - PSP - 250k. DS - 57k.
PSP trumps DS by 4.38x in sales for the month of May.

...

He has the same number as ME!

That's 12 upsets.
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

w00t :)

Pi, what would you consider inplausible in your upset pile?

I wouldn't diss them :)
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May 05 NPD Sales - PSP - 250k. DS - 57k.
PSP trumps DS by 4.38x in sales for the month of May.

...


RPGuy, you appear to have a very incessant stalker.
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

Let's see...I have:

Ness > CJ
Vivi > Zelda
Kefka > Vercetti
Terra > Dante
Kerrigan > Vincent
Alucard > Sora
Kirby > Tidus
Terra > Kerrigan
Luigi > Tifa
Mario > Samus
Bowser > Snake
Mario > Snake (which really isn't an upset, persay, but it's supposed to be Samus > Snake)
Mario > Crono
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"The strong men take everything and the weak men die." ~ Luca Blight, Suikoden II

His big inplausible upset is Luigi over Tifa, if you must know.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Bowser > Snake
Mario > Snake

That is indeed quite the implausible upset, having Snake lose twice.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Okay, I can tell you that his most inplausible one is Terra over Kerrigan, mostly because Terra over Dante is just as ridiculous.
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

XD, Leonhart wins.
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

Alucard > Sora

...That's an upset? >_> I guess I have three then.
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The King of all Cosmos' route to summer victory:
Round 1: (4) Tidus... LET ME DREAM :

Heh. The BOP has Samus > Snake, so I more or less just subbed Mario in.
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"The strong men take everything and the weak men die." ~ Luca Blight, Suikoden II

It's an upset by a margin of like, 5 people.
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

If you count the Tourney of Champs, I have 16 BOP upsets. Whoo!

And I can't believe there's so much argument about Naked Snake vs Solid Snake. They look, act, and sound nearly identical. The Naked Snake distinction is just so the story makes sense... but for all intents and purposes, he pretty much is Solid Snake. The typical Metal Gear Solid fan is not going to not boost Solid Snake in their own "personal favorites list" because of the name technicality. I guarantee you most fans think like Shadowdude, myself included.
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Raiden fact of the contest: Alucard is a plagiarist, this year Raiden will prove it!

*checks to see how many BOP upsets he has*

12, if you count Cloud winning both of his matches.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Yeah, I have the exact same as Leonhart. I only have 10 in the main bracket.
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

Link to MGS3's 915k? plz.

NPD released a large file of all the games that have sold more than 500,000 units in America -- where everything counts as far as this contest is concerned -- as of May 2005. There's no website link, however, there is a long file I will post here. But be warned, because this is the Stats Topic and not a topic about game sales, I won't post every game; I will post the games that are around MGS3 though.

116 GBA METROID FUSION NINTENDO OF AMERICA Nov-02 931,062
117 PS2 MIDNIGHT CLUB II ROCKSTAR GAMES (TAKE 2) Apr-03 929,489
118 PS2 TONY HAWK UNDERGRND 2 ACTIVISION Oct-04 925,103
119 PS2 METAL GEAR3:SNAKE EAT KONAMI OF AMERICA Nov-04 915,367
120 XBX DEAD OR ALIVE 3 TECMO Nov-01 912,424
121 PS2 CALL OF DUTY: FINEST ACTIVISION Nov-04 912,355
122 GCN SONIC MEGA COLLECTION SEGA OF AMERICA Nov-02 908,374

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 1 - (8) Joanna Dark
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6734/cunning9ej.jpg

122 GCN SONIC MEGA COLLECTION SEGA OF AMERICA Nov-02 908,374

SONIC > MEGA MAN 4 LAIF!!!!
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

97 NDS SUPER MARIO 64 DS NINTENDO OF AMERICA Nov-04 1,004,092

Mario over Samus! Book it! =p

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 1 - (8) Joanna Dark
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6734/cunning9ej.jpg

Mario over Crono 4 life. ^_^
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

I refuse to ever have Mario losing to Crono.

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 1 - (8) Joanna Dark
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6734/cunning9ej.jpg

You have Mario winning the main bracket???
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

You'll find out... Monday. =)

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 1 - (8) Joanna Dark
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6734/cunning9ej.jpg

You have Samus over Mario, don't you?

Dude, learn how to take some risks god damn it.
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

I refuse to ever have Mario losing to Crono.

...Didn't you vote for Crono in Leonhart's contest?

Regardless, I did last year, and I did this year, too, until a week ago. But, as Kaxon said, if Mario can beat Samus he can probably beat Crono, so I went for it.
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"The strong men take everything and the weak men die." ~ Luca Blight, Suikoden II

He's got Crono over Samus I think... he posted it in the guru thingy.
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Raiden fact of the contest: Alucard is a plagiarist, this year Raiden will prove it!

...Didn't you vote for Crono in Leonhart's contest?

Well, Crono has no chance of winning any big match at this board, so I threw him a vote. I do like him, but I have never voted anyone over Mario in an actual contest.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

Yes, he did, while he was on his Chrono Trigger binge. Speaking of which...

Ryu > Crono

(Not in terms of contest strength, unfortunately)
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Unfortunately indeed... it's also unfortunate that Crono's above... about 90 of the other characters he's above.
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Raiden fact of the contest: Alucard is a plagiarist, this year Raiden will prove it!

Only Clinkeroth and Samus stand in Crono's way!

Also, what is up with the Crono > Megaman > Mario __-

It should be Crono > Mario > Megaman damnit! __-.
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May 05 NPD Sales - PSP - 250k. DS - 57k.
PSP trumps DS by 4.38x in sales for the month of May.

I think that Mega Man's chances might be being underrated around here. People have no confidence in him to beat Crono. I do have Crono winning that match and Crono as the favorite makes sense, but I think Mega Man has a decent shot, and he might be a good strategy pick.
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www.SC2K5.com

They had a common opponent, and one did much better. That's all there is to it for me.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

*blah blah blah* Old School SFF *blah blah blah*
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Raiden fact of the contest: Alucard is a plagiarist, this year Raiden will prove it!

Blah blah blah lame excuse blah blah blah
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Speaking of Mega Man, what is he expected to get against Yoshi based on the 2k4 xstats?
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Vote for Yoshi
You have no chance to survive make your time.

We are treading into dangerous terrority by accepting old school SFF in MM/Link's case. If we accept that, we have to accept matches such as Magus/Luca, Vercitti/Payne, Sonic/Ryu, Fisher/Freeman, and others as SFF matches.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Blah blah blah lame excuse blah blah blah

Heh. I concur.

But Mega Man would actually have to increase, or Crono decrease, for that to be a real nice upset to consider -- that's assuming he was even at his 2003 level and didn't drop. I love the Blue Bomber, but after last year, it's hard to honestly consider him against Crono.

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 1 - (8) Joanna Dark
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6734/cunning9ej.jpg

With MM/Link adjustment, 65-35. Without it, 61-39. I also think Yoshi is a bit weaker in the stats than he is shown.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

MM seems to massively underperform against Link for some wtf reason, but I don't think it's any kind of SFF at all.

But with that said, I'm still very confident in my Crono/MM pick.

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Posts without a sig looks ugly, so I guess I need something here.

Speaking of Mega Man, what is he expected to get against Yoshi based on the 2k4 xstats?

Going by the adjusted stats, if Mega Man retained the same strength from 2003, he would be expected to get 64.96% against Yoshi.

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 1 - (8) Joanna Dark
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6734/cunning9ej.jpg

Going by the adjusted stats, if Mega Man retained the same strength from 2003, he would be expected to get 64.96% against Yoshi.

That's sad...
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That's right. Cloud N. Candy would get a NEGATIVE percentage, and RPGuy's extrapolated calculator would crash. - therealmnm

People forget he underperformed againist Sephiroth in 2k3 even with Sephiroth gaining strength. This isnt an uncommon thing for Mega Man to do. Thats why MM/Sonic worries me slightly.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

All I'm saying is if Cloud were the common opponent, we could very well have the favorite be Mega Man. And hey, how's this for common opponent?

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=997
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1775

What's up now? We have a little conflictation! And "Old School" SFF is about the only SFF I accept that's not direct. It's the same reason Pac Man collapsed against Luigi, and Ms. Pacman collapsed against Mega Man. It does make some sense. It's not technically "SFF", it's just voting not being transitive.
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Raiden fact of the contest: Alucard is a plagiarist, this year Raiden will prove it!

What is MM expected to get on Sonic if he actually did get 'Old School SFF'd'?

From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 7/16/2005 11:22:26 PM | Message Detail
The master statisticians are creativename, Dabu, and Apronsenf, not I. My bracket is filled with what some might consider implausible upsets, and you can find it in the Guru contest.

Why thank you for the recognition.

From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/16/2005 11:22:52 PM | Message Detail
The master statistician defies the stats quite often, from what I've seen.

Maybe I defied other peoples' stats, but I stayed true to my own stats. Of course, the hard part was guessing where new characters land and how they relate to the other characters in their games (if any).
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For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to refer to Gordon Freeman versus Tanner as Schrodinger's Match. -Phoenix Flattener

Wait Lopen did you just try to make an argument using stats of Crono at his weakest vs Snake at a stronger point than 2k4?
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

What's up now?

Because it makes sense to take 2002 data and compare it to 2004 data. Forgetting the fact that all three characters have changed a lot since then.

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 1 - (8) Joanna Dark
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6734/cunning9ej.jpg

I know that was a bad argument. It was kind of a joke... what with the "what's up now, conflictication" stuff. Then again, I post in that manner more than I should...

The rest of the argument stands though.
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Raiden fact of the contest: Alucard is a plagiarist, this year Raiden will prove it!

The only argument that stands is Raiden needs to fall off the tallest cliff and land on Yuna's body.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

It's not technically "SFF", it's just voting not being transitive.

No, actually, it would be SFF. Nothing to do with transitivity.
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www.SC2K5.com

Considering [Tidus's] tendency to choke against the big boys, I actually think this is the least likely.
No...he didn't "choke" against Sonic...only Mega Man. So, we obviously can't guess whether Tidus will choke against Snake.

MGS3 = Metal Gear missing Snake. I just don't see him getting so much better off a game he's not in.
I believe MGS3 resparked interest in the entire MGS series, not just MGS3, meaning Snake probably beneffited, anyway. Similarly, I think Advent Children will spark up interest in FF7 again resulting in an increase for not only Cloud, but Sephiroth, as well.

Of course, there's a zillion other explananations for how Snake could increase. (who knows which ones will even be significant, if any?)

Tifa would need 55.49% on 2k3 Aeris to take out 2k4 Sonic.
Hey, now...that's assuming your extrapolated standings is correct. Sonic 2K4 could easily be right on par with his 2K3 level, as KOS-MOS vs. Ryu and Ryu vs. Sonic were predicted almost perfectly from the previous year. So, Tifa may only need to be slightly ahead of Aeris to take out Sonic.

I think that Mega Man's chances might be being underrated around here.
Indeed. My cousin has Mega Man > Crono (who loses to Samus). :P Most of the rest of his bracket is pretty reasonable, too, even though he's not exactly experienced with predicting GameFAQs contests. I hope Mega Man pulls the miracle, and then he ends up in the Top 50. :P

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Aprosenf, do you think you could post those those 00ber extrapolated standings you have again? I know you've posted them two or three times already, but I forgot to copy them. ;_; Or, if you have a file, you can just email it to me...

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Yeah, but almost every match has "SFF". "SFF" is a silly term, and we should just be using "SSF" (same series factor) for the matches where it really hurts and makes perfect sense. I mean if 50000/80000 voters would vote Dante over Cloud, but of those 50000 Dante faithful, 30000 abandon him when he faces Kirby, who would get 10000 non Dante fan votes vs Cloud, is Kirby SFFing Dante? Technically, yeah, but people would throw you out of their home if you said that to them.

SFF is just another way for saying voters don't think transitively. I prefer to call things like Link/Mega Man transitivity gone wrong. Or "Old School SFF"... just because it sounds so hip.

To make more sense of what I'm saying. Chew on this one... Mega Man SFFed Tidus. Is it probably what happened? Yes. Do you want to say "OMG WTF NOOB?!" to me now? I bet that's also a yes.
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Raiden fact of the contest: Alucard is a plagiarist, this year Raiden will prove it!

Here they are one more time. I should probably put these on a website or something, if people are interested.

DISCLAIMER: These are not normalized to any particular character. As it turns out, Fox 2k3 lands almist right on 0.5, so these numbers can be interpreted as percent against Fox, but be careful when comparing characters from different years. It doesn't make much sense to compare Link 2k4 to Fox 2k3, it makes more sense to compare Link 2k4 to Link 2k3, and then to compare Link 2k3 to Fox 2k3.

Link2k4 0.829443
CloudStrife2k3 0.813912
CloudStrife2k4 0.813765
Link2k3 0.810995
Link2k2 0.794956
Sephiroth2k3 0.784903
Sephiroth2k4 0.778775
Sephiroth2k5 0.769037
SamusAran2k4 0.753302
Sephiroth2k2 0.752275
Crono2k4 0.738095
MegaMan2k2 0.732126
Crono2k3 0.725804
SamusAran2k3 0.722987
CloudStrife2k2 0.721662
Crono2k2 0.720313
MegaMan2k4 0.719757
SamusAran2k2 0.718056
MegaMan2k3 0.715143
Mario2k2 0.712722
SolidSnake2k2 0.710714
Mario2k4 0.709517
SonicTheHedgehog2k2 0.708719
Mario2k3 0.706826
SonicTheHedgehog2k3 0.70537
AerisGainsborough2k3 0.69598
SolidSnake2k3 0.691981
SonicTheHedgehog2k4 0.687832
Bowser2k5 0.685757
AerisGainsborough2k2 0.682262
Bowser2k4 0.678616
Ganondorf2k5 0.672913
Bowser2k3 0.671391
Zero2k3 0.669526
Zero2k4 0.66687
SolidSnake2k4 0.658954
Ryu2k2 0.653147
Ganondorf2k4 0.646052
ShadowTheHedgehog2k3 0.642992
Ryu2k3 0.641425
Ryu2k4 0.640865
Auron2k3 0.636
Auron2k4 0.632434
ShadowTheHedgehog2k4 0.623488
Tidus2k2 0.622909
SquallLeonhart2k3 0.621455
Ganondorf2k3 0.620615
Frog2k4 0.616595
Tidus2k3 0.616153
MasterChief2k4 0.613808
Tidus2k4 0.611358
MasterChief2k3 0.608476
Vivi2k4 0.607
Zelda2k3 0.602424
Yoshi2k3 0.601088
SquallLeonhart2k4 0.60098
Sora2k4 0.59703
Dante2k3 0.595815
SquallLeonhart2k2 0.595483
Magus2k3 0.595323
KnucklesTheEchidna2k2 0.59333
LiquidSnake2k4 0.588469
Yoshi2k4 0.587151
Dante2k4 0.585976
Dante2k2 0.581484
Felix2k3 0.579918
Alucard2k4 0.575191
KnucklesTheEchidna2k3 0.57487
Alucard2k3 0.572756
Magus2k4 0.571851
ClaireRedfield2k2 0.570238
Sora2k3 0.568327
KnucklesTheEchidna2k4 0.562755
Kasumi2k2 0.560564
LiquidSnake2k5 0.56028
DonkeyKong2k3 0.55618
DonkeyKong2k2 0.55618
Ken2k2 0.555311
Alucard2k2 0.555104
TommyVercetti2k3 0.554154
MorriganAensland2k2 0.552104
JillValentine2k2 0.551857
Luigi2k4 0.551112
DonkeyKong2k4 0.549927
Kirby2k4 0.547467
TommyVercetti2k4 0.547151
AyaBrea2k2 0.545691
Kirby2k3 0.543122
Ken2k3 0.539666
Luigi2k3 0.533402
Scorpion2k2 0.532898
Kirby2k2 0.530894
JillValentine2k3 0.529326
RevolverOcelot2k5 0.529312
StriderHiryu2k2 0.528187
Scorpion2k3 0.5273
KOSMOS2k3 0.525751
KOSMOS2k4 0.523514
Yuna2k3 0.522068
Diablo2k5 0.52136
JillValentine2k4 0.512945
MilesTailsPrower2k4 0.507046
MilesTailsPrower2k2 0.507036
Scorpion2k4 0.506546
Lavos2k5 0.504158
MilesTailsPrower2k3 0.502095
FoxMcCloud2k3 0.500224
RyuHayabusa2k4 0.496729
Wario2k3 0.493474
MBison2k5 0.49251
Raziel2k2 0.489618
FoxMcCloud2k2 0.488326
DrWily2k5 0.484113
Nemesis2k5 0.482581
Kefka2k5 0.478705
Raziel2k3 0.476902
Vergil2k5 0.472429
Kefka2k4 0.469883
DukeNukem2k4 0.467415
RamzaBeoulve2k3 0.466037
LaraCroft2k2 0.465184
Servbot2k2 0.464302
LaraCroft2k3 0.460896
Isaac2k3 0.460773
ViewtifulJoe2k4 0.45896
Vyse2k4 0.457418
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For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to refer to Gordon Freeman versus Tanner as Schrodinger's Match. -Phoenix Flattener

I prefer to think that SFF stands for Some Frivolous Factor.
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Think fast. Click faster.

Bomberman2k2 0.457306
Ness2k4 0.45533
DukeNukem2k3 0.450307
Bomberman2k4 0.446852
MotherBrain2k5 0.446215
DukeNukem2k2 0.44468
Ridley2k5 0.444496
Vyse2k3 0.444409
Kefka2k3 0.444194
Bomberman2k3 0.443851
LaraCroft2k4 0.441647
Protoman2k4 0.441114
PacMan2k2 0.439092
SimonBelmont2k2 0.437873
HK472k4 0.437725
Conker2k4 0.437597
Ness2k3 0.435666
Conker2k3 0.435089
Bub2k2 0.434831
PacMan2k3 0.424262
SamFisher2k3 0.421769
LittleMac2k2 0.419146
TinaArmstrong2k2 0.419076
SamFisher2k4 0.416594
MaxPayne2k4 0.412553
Ansem2k5 0.409028
Jak2k4 0.405428
CrashBandicoot2k2 0.404431
CrashBandicoot2k3 0.403227
MaxPayne2k3 0.401008
CrashBandicoot2k4 0.400628
PacMan2k4 0.399105
Kite2k3 0.3984
Kain2k4 0.398103
TerryBogard2k2 0.395175
Ramirez2k5 0.393344
MaxPayne2k2 0.389852
DrRobotnik2k5 0.385336
Sigma2k5 0.380045
QBert2k2 0.373097
sin2k5 0.372859
CATS2k5 0.367714
CATS2k4 0.364991
SpyroTheDragon2k2 0.363973
GordonFreeman2k4 0.3593
Laharl2k4 0.357642
SlyCooper2k4 0.357063
CATS2k3 0.356697
GordonFreeman2k3 0.354004
Pikachu2k2 0.350962
Andross2k5 0.347697
RyoHazuki2k2 0.347393
Ultros2k5 0.345173
EarthwormJim2k4 0.345085
TerryBogard2k4 0.343091
CATS2k2 0.341839
PitfallHarry2k2 0.341311
Mithos2k5 0.340783
GordonFreeman2k2 0.339797
Pikachu2k3 0.334287
Ghaleon2k5 0.330603
RyoHazuki2k3 0.325023
JCDenton2k4 0.324962
IoriYagami2k2 0.322522
RyoHazuki2k4 0.317961
KazuyaMishima2k2 0.317784
Raiden2k3 0.316927
KyoKusanagi2k2 0.316436
ParappaTheRapper2k2 0.311837
Albedo2k5 0.309195
TomNook2k3 0.304476
GuybrushThreepwood2k4 0.302051
MasterHand2k5 0.299131
GabeLogan2k2 0.298575
PyramidHead2k5 0.295456
AiAi2k3 0.288822
Wesker2k5 0.287053
Ulala2k2 0.283088
ChopChopMasterOnion2k2 0.275028
Ratchet2k3 0.272788
Kuja2k5 0.268548
Ratchet2k4 0.268352
Giygas2k5 0.266618
AkiraYuki2k2 0.260396
Abe2k2 0.252687
OfficerTenpenny2k5 0.24774
CaptainOlimar2k3 0.239935
MrResetti2k3 0.237461
Goemon2k2 0.231547
LucaBlight2k4 0.223541
LucaBlight2k5 0.2186
SeriousSam2k2 0.19544
Kane2k2 0.191063
MsPacMan2k2 0.185615
GuybrushThreepwood2k2 0.175441
DirkTheDaring2k2 0.166588
MrDriller2k2 0.145798
Tanner2k4 0.104657
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For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to refer to Gordon Freeman versus Tanner as Schrodinger's Match. -Phoenix Flattener

I can't believe anyone would point to Acid as a boost for Snake. He DROPPED after TS, he's certainly not being helped by Acid.
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"Have you missed me? Was I there? I was dreaming... someone cared" - Iio "Give it Up"

I was looking for something witty with which to bump this, but I guess taking a poop on Metal Gear AC!D will do.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

maybe snake might get a couple of votes with the relatively small hype for mga2,mgs3:subsistence,mgs4. i think that could give him at best 500-600 extra votes that will help him out in close matches.
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

2 more days, yah?
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"Have you missed me? Was I there? I was dreaming... someone cared" - Iio "Give it Up"

I've only got ten BOP upsets:

Kefka>Vercetti, Kerrigan>Vincent, Alucard>Sora, Dante>whoever, Squall>Magus, Squall>whoever, Mario>Samus, Mario>Snake, Mega Man>Crono, Mega Man>whoever.
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Jon Thomson - MARIO, Samus, SOLID SNAKE, Bowser, CRONO, Squall, Sonic, MEGA MAN

XD, Dabu.
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SC2K5: Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot
I wouldn't be surprised if Mario doubled Zero. ~maplejet

maybe snake might get a couple of votes with the relatively small hype for mga2,mgs3:subsistence,mgs4. i think that could give him at best 500-600 extra votes that will help him out in close matches.

None of those combined would be greater than the effect of Snake Eater's actual release. MGS4's hilarious would more redeem the MGS series, not Solid Snake himself.
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SC2K5- Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot
I prefer to think that SFF stands for Some Frivolous Factor. ~Dabu

i'm surprised given that the contset is about to start in under 2 days that no one seems to be talking about the matches anymore.
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

They have been talked to death. Really I expect talk to pick up again during the Joanna/Mario match as people start questioning and requestioning their pick in CJ/Ness.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

I've been rererequestionin' my CJ/Ness pick for awhile now, anyways; we may get bit in the ass early by it.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Knuckles
Serious Reminder: Vote for Tifa Lockheart, too

Mario's demolition of Joanna Dark shall pave the way in what is known as a "Path to Victory."

I also came from the future and have found out who the real contest winner is.

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/9176/contestchampion5nc.jpg

CHANGE YO BRACKETS!

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 1 - (8) Joanna Dark
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6734/cunning9ej.jpg

Ah nuts.

*changes back to Crono*
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"The strong men take everything and the weak men die." ~ Luca Blight, Suikoden II

*looks on in amusement as half the board does so, like they did for Squall*

Thanks for paving my way to an easy victory, HM.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

Well HM, at least your supporting someone with a chance of winning this time. Even though that chance is...very small. =)

Also, you supporting Mario makes sense, I mean since your name is.....

....

*wait for it*

.....

Heroic Mario!
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SC2K5: Samus is going all the way!

Thanks for paving my way to an easy victory, HM.

Hey, I'm here to please.

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 1 - (8) Joanna Dark
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6734/cunning9ej.jpg

Gotta love HM and the reactions he gets. =)
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When I win this contest, we'll see what people start thinkin' of my little predictions.

Mwa, ha, ha.

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 1 - (8) Joanna Dark
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6734/cunning9ej.jpg

SFF is just another way for saying voters don't think transitively.

No, no, no...SFF has nothing to do with transitivity. I already said this. They are completely different animals.

SFF does not indicate a transitivity violation, as it only deals with winners, not their percentages. SFF doesn't affect who wins a match; only percentages. Unless you believe in the mythical reverse SFF, which we've never seen.

SFF simply indicates a matrix of relationships between each character; rather than a single factor ordering. In most cases it is minimal, so that the single factor ordering is accurate enough. But in certain cases the matrix cell—the paired relationship—is substantially different than the single factor ordering. This is similar to the Beta of a stock vs. the covariance matrix, for those familiar with the stock market and the Capital Asset Pricing Model.

You can of course extend the relationships into other factors; e.g. day of the week, time of day, etc. Time of day obviously matters but seems to equalize over the course of 24 hours. The year would clearly be the most important other factor in the strength process.

Transitivity never enters into the SFF discussion at all.
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SFF does not indicate a transitivity violation, as it only deals with winners, not their percentages.

^By "it", I mean transitivity.

Time of day obviously matters but seems to equalize over the course of 24 hours

^By "equalize", I mean equalize in terms of functional impact.
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HM, when did you start supporting Mario as champ?
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

He's always supported Mario as champ, heh; he just gets side-tracked here and there.
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Mario does have a good chance to win. A lot of things have to fall just so, but it's certainly a good risk (much better than Mega Man last year anyway).
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

I've been hearing alot about common opponents, here's some:

Auron and Zero have a common opponent - Scorpion
Auron and Alucard have a common opponent - Tails
Auron and Bowser have a common opponent - Ness

What do you think? OMGSFF.
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DC's alt.

He's always supported Mario as champ, heh; he just gets side-tracked here and there.

This man speaks the truth. It would be awful that I took Mario to win in 2002 and 2003, then when he has his best chance to win not take him.


Besides, picking Mario to win isn't as out there as one would think. He is, after all, capable of doing such. It's risky, yes; especially considering how many points it'll end up being worth, but it could pay off in a pretty big way should it happen. And, like mentioned, it isn't a Mega Man over Link scenario. =p

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 1 - (8) Joanna Dark
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6734/cunning9ej.jpg

CHANGE YO BRACKETS!

Judging by the loss record.. I may have to change my bracket. >_>

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Shut up, make me a sandwich. That is all.

Heh, methinks 2k2 was his best chance to win, even with Clinkeroth (which, for the record, Mario is the only character outside of Clinkeroth who holds a win over any of the three, beating Cloud in 2k2).
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Less than 12 hours until it begins!

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
Sp2k5 - 77/80 (stupid Master Hand)

And, like mentioned, it isn't a Mega Man over Link scenario. =p

I damn well hope not.

Less than 12 hours until it begins!

Er...I think you mean 33 hours until it begins...
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

A lot of things have to fall just so, but it's certainly a good risk (much better than Mega Man last year anyway).

Better than MM This year, too.
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SC2K5- Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot
I prefer to think that SFF stands for Some Frivolous Factor. ~Dabu

Less than 12 hours until it begins!

Not the contest, but you ARE right about something beginning in twelve hours.....
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Bracket closing time?
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Shut up, make me a sandwich. That is all.

Nah, it's more HaRRicH-related than that, heh.
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Your birthday?
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That... was her final mission. And like a true soldier, she saw it through the end.
ZSB [aX]

Yeah; today's the last day of my teenage innocence.

The big 2-0 tomorrow boys.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Knuckles
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Good thing I rechecked my bracket, because my tiebreaker was in double digits since it cuts off the number if you use commas.
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Please sign this petition for a history board:
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=20119594

Okay. Finally caught up. I've been hanging in ATL for the weekend for a family reunion and going out and all of that good stuff.

TWO glaring things I've read about that I have to comment on.

1. MGS3:Snake Eater not being able to boost Snake.

Disagree. Who cares if Snake is in the game or not. The REAL factor of MGS3:Snake Eater having an effect is that it is a game that brings more Metal Gear/Snake fans to the sight (yes, I've said this before). It's a factor that not too many people consider. Of course, I'm banking that it doesn't make a huge difference for Snake as I have Bowser beating him, but it's an argument that must be brought up for him. In the same way, I can see KH boosting up the FF characters because it brought those fans to the site (NOT because of cameos).

2. MM/Link "old-school" factor.

Although I am an advocate for Mega Man doing worse against Link due to somewhat having a similar fanbase, I do NOT agree with a general "old-school" factor being applied at will. My argument for Mega Man/Link was an individual instance and only applies to Mega Man. And it had NOTHING to do with "old school". The only way "old school" would apply is to a game contest, for instance, SMW/Sonic 2. In that instance, the CHARACTERS may have different fanbases, most gamers back then probably played both games. Obviously, SMW is more popular, but it doesn't necessarily mean that those voters all like Mario better than Sonic. I'm starting to drift now, but as I said before, that is the only way I could see "old-school" as being applied as a general factor. I think Mega Man is a special case....
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I catch myself agreeing with therealmnm again (besides how I see Samus or Tidus beating Solid before Bowser does).
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I'm kinda interested to see what format Ceej is gonna use for the first round match pictures. I know it'll be full body profiles, but last year, he had the name in the background. I wonder what he'll do this year.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

I wouldn't be opposed to the first round being all sprites/oldest body shots, myself (though I'm certainly not counting on it)...I don't think it'll be much different from last year though.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Knuckles
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Wow, congratulations and happy birthday, HaRRicH!
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SC2K5- Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot
I prefer to think that SFF stands for Some Frivolous Factor. ~Dabu

Much appreciated Shadowdude.
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MGS3 = Metal Gear missing Snake. I just don't see him getting so much better off a game he's not in.
I believe MGS3 resparked interest in the entire MGS series, not just MGS3, meaning Snake probably beneffited, anyway. Similarly, I think Advent Children will spark up interest in FF7 again resulting in an increase for not only Cloud, but Sephiroth, as well.

Oh, so that's why Perfect Dark is outselling MGS2?

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It starts Tuesday? Awww boo! Happy early b-day Harrich... the end of the teens is definitely something I did not look forward to.

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
Sp2k5 - 77/80 (stupid Master Hand)

Thanks man; I'm not lookin' forward to turnin' 20 much either. These past few days have really made me miss high school and especially high school sports...

...why can't I turn to some useful age, like 21? =)
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True dat... graduating college did that for me. And you will very quickly learn that 21 is nothing too fun. Then again, I went to a college where you could get into bars at 19 =)

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
Sp2k5 - 77/80 (stupid Master Hand)

I went to a college where you could get into bars at 19

*eyes widen* And, ahem, where was this college...?

Seriously though, drinkin' ain't even that big a thing for me; I just wanna have the ability to drink when I want (not all that often), instead of relyin' on other people to get it if/when I want.


Back to stats now (I'm not gonna hijack this toppic, damn you all, heh)...what does everyone expect Rikku to get on Ryu?
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I think Kratos will beat Alucard, Dante will beat Vincent, Kirby will beat Titus and Mega Man will beat Sonic and Crono. Discuss.
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"That's like saying Herpes is better than Broadband if more people have Herpes"-Vinnie Pain
R.I.P, Tech TV 12/31/04

You're likely to be wrong on all but one of them, and the one left out is still more 50/50 than people wanna give it credit for.
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Titus?
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Shut up, make me a sandwich. That is all.

Probably a typo, but it's decent cheap humor regardless of the explanation.
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Crono/Samus and Link/Cloud are the two matches that should be getting the most attention, seeing as 48 (out of 216) points are riding on those two matches.
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Think fast. Click faster.

I'd say that while it is the single most likely possibility, Samus/Crono has a less than 50% chance of actually happening.
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Yeah, but we've discussed Link/Cloud through hell and high-water since the end of the last contest, and most people are agreed on Samus/Crono...the ones who aren't are, for the most part anyways, people who doesn't have Samus/Crono as their final.
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Crono in the finals is very likely, though.
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Shut up, make me a sandwich. That is all.

I actually wouldn't be surprised if Vincent somehow wins the whole thing to be honest. :)
Not that I think it has any realistic chance of happening, but it just simply wouldn't surprise me if it did. The great thing about it though is that it wouldn't even be seen coming after his first few matches ("Oh Kerrigan was just fodder after all").
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Think fast. Click faster.

1) Assuming Kerrigan is on Bomberman's level (first character I looked at that's between where I've heard reasonable ranges for Kerrigan) and Vincent = Samus, that's still almost a tripling. Kerrigan will likely be a lil' stronger than that, and Vincent will certainly be weaker.

2) We'd know by Vincent's second match, anyways.
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Back to stats now (I'm not gonna hijack this toppic, damn you all, heh)...what does everyone expect Rikku to get on Ryu?

58%. <_<

Well, I wouldn't expect her to be too far from Yuna's strength. Unfortunately, Yuna's only value being from before X-2 doesn't help the matter, since it should have given her and Rikku a boost. Using 2k3 Ryu (Ryu has been a pretty constant guy) gets about 38%, which is believable enough for me. But since I do consider Rikku to be stronger than Yuna, might as well push that up a little. I'd expect the ratio of Rikku:Yuna to be similar to Aeris:Tifa, with the former being stronger in both cases.

It's win/win for me though. Either Rikku impresses, possibly earning her a spot next year and making her look good in the X-stats, or she bombs making my Ryu > Bowser pick look all the better.

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I need to put something here.

Ryu actually was a little stronger last year though. Regardless, I think Rikku can top what KOS-MOS did, so she MIGHT get 40% in the match.
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It's just not the same without this name.
Faithful supporter of Squall Leonhart in SC2K5

Champaign, Illinois!

And actually, in Urbana, they let you into the bars at 18 <_<

Talk about contributing to the delinquency of minors.

Only 50 hours until my match of the tourney begins... go Ness!

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
Sp2k5 - 77/80 (stupid Master Hand)

In my personal predictions I made about a day after the bracket was released, I put down that Rikku would get 43% on Ryu...heh. I do think she'll crack 40% though, even if 41% is pushing it.
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I have a feeling that we'll see a lot of "Oh, Bowser is gonna beat Ryu for sure now!" topics should Rikku get 40%, even though it SHOULD be expected.

I'd rather Chun-Li break 40% on Bowser though. Just don't get killed out there, eh?
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It's just not the same without this name.
Faithful supporter of Squall Leonhart in SC2K5

I think Chun-Li's also breaking 40%, heh. I think Chun-Li'll get closer to Bowser than Rikku will get to Ryu, too.
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The closer Thunder Thighs gets to Bowser, the better I feel about Ryu.
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It's just not the same without this name.
Faithful supporter of Squall Leonhart in SC2K5

Likewise about Rikku, heh. Either way, unless one of them get surprisingly close/stomped, I'm lookin' at Bowser to bring it home in a close one.
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I'd be rather surprised if either of them breaks 40%.
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"Luca Blight's insane. He's a wolf raised on the smell of fire and the taste of blood."" ~ Viktor, Suikoden II

Chun-Li will break 40%, Rikku will not.

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I have a hard time believing either of them are weaker than KOS-MOS, personally.
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It's just not the same without this name.
Faithful supporter of Squall Leonhart in SC2K5

I could definitely see Ken being stronger then Chun-Li.
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I need to put something here.

"Seek an opponent who is your equal. Only then can you improve." -Ryu

How fitting, and ironic.

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A E I OWN U

It shoulda been:

"You must defeat Shen-Long to stand a chance."
~~~
"[Zelos] clearly should be writing in his book of dark poetry and slitting his wrists with a cruxis crystal - meisnewbie

I'm not expecting either of them to break 40% against Bowser, myself.

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 1 - (8) Joanna Dark
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6734/cunning9ej.jpg

You don't expect Chun-Li or Ryu to break 40% on Bowser?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Should there be any justice, Bowser would double Ryu.
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Your moral value must suck if you think that's justice.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

...Yeah, "either" should just be Chun-Li, because Ryu will break 40% quite easily.

But like Harrich said, if there were justice, Ryu wouldn't come close to getting 40%.

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 1 - (8) Joanna Dark
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6734/cunning9ej.jpg

Actually, the only upheaval of justice that will happen in that entire division is Bowser beating Chun-Li. The rest is well and good.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

I'll upheave your justice, smart guy.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

Bowser > Kirby would be the greatest justice in that division...however, that's lookin' a lil' grim. I feel better knowing justice IS blind though.....
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Well, this is GameFAQs, the place of great justice.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

As I didn't get an answer the last two times I asked..., I'll just up for the Guru Challenge:
(tell me if I'm too late)
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130 - futuresuperstar
131 - TheRye
132 - XxSabin FigaroxX
133 - DpObliVion
134 - expaniol
135 - CompmanJX3
136 - A Hogasm IN POG FORM
137 - Lagoona
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SC2k5 Prediction Percentage Challenge:
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=21997510

25 hours before the start of the contest!
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Should there be any justice, Ken would be in the contest instead of Chun-Li.
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VOTE MARIO IN SC2K5
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Er, should there have been any justice.
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Nah, Chun-Li deserves her shot.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Yes, can one still enter the guru contest?
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Sir Chris, Chief of Police at Board 8
Board 8: Where yoblazer is king of gurus.

Of note, the last time Mario kicked off a contest he got the finals. <3

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 1 - (8) Joanna Dark
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6734/cunning9ej.jpg

I also found it interesting that every contest has started off with a Nintendo character/game.

SC2002: Mario vs. Servbot
SC2003: Link vs. AiAi
SP2004: SMB3 vs. Metal Gear
SC2004: Link vs. CATS
SP2005: Bowser vs. Pyramid Head
SC2005: Mario vs. Joanna Dark

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 1 - (8) Joanna Dark
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6734/cunning9ej.jpg

People still don't know there's a contest going on..
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Shut up, make me a sandwich. That is all.

Fun Fact:
The only non-humanoid character to ever make the Round of Eight in the Character Battles is Sonic the Hedgehog.

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we have I'd say about a 60% chance of have 2 this year.
Sonic for the 4rd year straight, and Bowser(more likely) or Kirby

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Spring Contest 2k5 Score: 76/80 T-117th

Correction: Thats a 3rd*
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Spring Contest 2k5 Score: 76/80 T-117th

Fun Fact:
The only non-humanoid character to ever make the Round of Eight in the Character Battles is Sonic the Hedgehog.

Non-human, you mean.

Sonic IS humanoid, he has arms and legs that resembles those of humans.
He even walked and run like one, it's only when he rolled that he goes beyond normal human ability.

In that note, MM isn't exactly human either, and possibly neither is Samus.

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Scorpin wouldnt really qualify under those standards either I guess.
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Spring Contest 2k5 Score: 76/80 T-117th

Let's not get too technical, I think we all know what was meant there.
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"Have you missed me? Was I there? I was dreaming... someone cared" - Iio "Give it Up"

I want to know how a match projected to no greater than 53% for Snake can be called a "helluva longshot."

Because Slowflake sees nothing outside of the Xsts.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Well this topic was... interesting, to say the least. And apro, do those stats account for SFF yet? Some things still look very weird.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

On the main page's banner, who is the character between Link and Master Chief? He's the only one I can't make out.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

i think it's carl johnson
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

So I hear that Mario be winnin' the contest this year.

And I see that Ulti is back from holidaying.
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Yoblazer did rather well in the guru contest.
Rather well, indeed.

And quite the holiday it was. I have discovered the beauty of Advance Wars.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Great game.
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Yoblazer did rather well in the guru contest.
Rather well, indeed.

I expect Ryu to crack 62% on Rikku, and Chun Li to break 40% on Bowser.
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SC2K5- Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot
I prefer to think that SFF stands for Some Frivolous Factor. ~Dabu

From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 7/18/2005 6:24:40 AM | #358
I want to know how a match projected to no greater than 53% for Snake can be called a "helluva longshot."

Because Slowflake sees nothing outside of the Xsts.

~*ST*~

Haha, you're funny. If there was nothing besides the X-Sts, I'd at least be giving Bowser an outside chance.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

I have a hard time believing either of them are weaker than KOS-MOS, personally.

That's exactly my train of thought as I'd pick both Chun-Li & Rikku to beat KOS-MOS head to head (although the matches would be close). I expecting them both to finish their matches around the 38%-42% range.

People used to say I'm evil, but the zombies are much worse. I left my wife and kids at home to run away from them. That's how scary the zombies are.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

In mere hours the brackets lockdown...takin too long yep yep...

Then we gotta wait some more...what a pain...

Gives me time to post my bracket, I guess...

That is all...
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Steve Illumina: 'Sage of Board 8', Renowned Author, MK Master, Noob Basher & Fanbaby Smacker! Score: 0/0

You'd pick Rikku to beat KOS-MOS? I'd have a hard time picking Yuna...
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

I'd take Chun and Yuna over KOS-MOS, but not Rikku.
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SC2K5- Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot
I prefer to think that SFF stands for Some Frivolous Factor. ~Dabu

I expect Ryu to crack 62% on Rikku, and Chun Li to break 40% on Bowser.

The first one I'm expecting and if Chun Li were to break 40 on Bowser the Ryu would win next round (which I'm hoping).

Also who here expects Tidus to get 80% or more on The King of All Cosmos?
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17 handhelds Nintendo has taken down 1 more to go (see quote for rest)

Yuna: she was a lil' stronger than KOS-MOS pre-FFX-2 (it'd be a 51.5-48.5 affair if they faced in 2k3), so I don't see the big deal about that one...and yes, I know KOS gained a lil' bit last year and had a game recently released.

Rikku: I'm of the opinion she's not gonna be all that far away from Yuna...I'd take her in a close one over KOS-MOS.

Chun-Li: let's look at this; M. Bison would get 48.68% on KOS-MOS with his stat-numbers...and keep in mind he lost to Diablo, where he got linkage in every match of his except against Ganondorf (where it counts in the stats). Granted, it wouldn't make enough of a difference to let Bison win, in all likelyhood, but that's still all the closer he should be to KOS-MOS. Also...

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=840

...Chun-Li is an easy third, whereas M. Bison only beats two characters (and ties with Dhalsim). Not alot should always be put into those polls, I know, but Chun-Li more than QUADRUPLES what M. Bison got there...that ought to be enough to put her over KOS-MOS.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Knuckles
Serious Reminder: Vote for Tifa Lockheart, too

MAybe not 80, but it'll definitely be a tripling.
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SC2K5- Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot
I prefer to think that SFF stands for Some Frivolous Factor. ~Dabu

Why in God's name are people worried about GameSpot's influence?
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Flee back to your masters, Aldaris, and huddle with them in darkness! For your actions shall set us all unto the Zerg! ~ Tassadar

GS won't even have 10% of the votes
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17 handhelds Nintendo has taken down 1 more to go (see quote for rest)

i just had a laugh when i saw this progamme in england where people try to sell there buisness ideas to investors.
occasionally you get someone trying to sell a percentage of there website and they say something like '' our website is now a behemoth getting 8000 clicks a WEEK'' while we are are complaining if a match gets under 60000 votes in a DAY. this site really is underrated by most people.
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

That isn't why I'm not concerned. I'm not concerned because if you pay even the slightest bit of attention to the polls they run (when they do have the rare poll with characters in them), their tastes are not all that different from this site's. In a Nintendo character poll (which Nintendo character would you want to see in a movie), about 42% of the vote went to Link and Mario and Samus each got about 21%. The poll itself had around 60,000 votes (after a few days) when I had last looked at it.

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Flee back to your masters, Aldaris, and huddle with them in darkness! For your actions shall set us all unto the Zerg! ~ Tassadar

Also who here expects Tidus to get 80% or more on The King of All Cosmos?

I do.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

I guess a tripling would be in order.
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PETITION: Ability to preview contests to moderators before posting it. http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=19643565 (198 Signs!)

Just curious to see what people think...

Will the Link vs. Cloud poll this contest get more or less votes than the match-up in 2004? That match received 124,353 votes, for reference...
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Flee back to your masters, Aldaris, and huddle with them in darkness! For your actions shall set us all unto the Zerg! ~ Tassadar

I'll let you know after I see how many votes the first match gets.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

More, but only by a few thousand. Both Link and Cloud will have more votes, and it'll be a tighter match.
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SC2K5- Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot
I prefer to think that SFF stands for Some Frivolous Factor. ~Dabu

Same Time Posted... except I gave a real answer and Leon gave a cowardly one. >>
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SC2K5- Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot
I prefer to think that SFF stands for Some Frivolous Factor. ~Dabu

Tighter match? Who will be the winner? ^_^

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Flee back to your masters, Aldaris, and huddle with them in darkness! For your actions shall set us all unto the Zerg! ~ Tassadar

probably more with both sides gaining boost and people now site traffic is increasing we should get quite a high vote total
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

Tighter match? Who will be the winner? ^_^

Link 66555
Cloud 64443
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SC2K5- Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot
I prefer to think that SFF stands for Some Frivolous Factor. ~Dabu

If there was any justice in the world, Knuckles would win the ToC

But yeah, Cloud's the favorite thanks to Advent Children. Blast it.
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This sig avaliable for rent.

While I'd detest GS linkage, higher vote totals and a few surprises can't hurt.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Now less than 10 hours remaining.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Match 1: (1) Mario Mario vs. (8) Joanna Dark

Past Performance:

Mario Mario

Summer 2002
Beat Servbot, 74.11% - 25.89%
Beat Morrigan, 66.81% - 33.19%
Beat Donkey Kong, 81.98% - 18.02%
Beat Cloud Strife, 50.11% - 49.89%
Beat Crono, 50.05% - 49.95%
Lost to Link, 37.47% - 62.53%
Ranked: 6th

Summer 2003
Beat Captain Olimar, 88.42% - 11.58%
Beat Shadow the Hedgehog, 55.10% - 44.90%
Beat Crono, 50.05% - 49.95%
Lost to Sephiroth, 38.40% - 61.60%
Ranked: 5th

Summer 2004
Beat JC Denton, 83.54% - 16.46%
Beat Bowser, 70.65% - 29.35%
Lost to Crono, 46.76% - 53.24%
Ranked: 6th

Spring 2005
Did not attend
Ranked: N/A

Joanna Dark

Summer 2002
Did not attend
Ranked: N/A

Summer 2003
Did not attend
Ranked: N/A

Summer 2004
Did not attend
Ranked: N/A

Spring 2005
Did not attend
Ranked: N/A

Analysis

Here we have one of the strongest characters in the contest against a new character. Mario has a lot of matches under his belt and with Clinkeroth out of the way Mario now has a good chance of winning this contest. Joanna Dark has been in only one game, which was Perfect Dark, a rather popular game during the end of the life for the Nintendo 64. Joanna could be considered a cult character do to people don’t really know her, but those that do really liked her.

Now we all know that Joanna has no chance of winning this match, but the real question is how much will Mario beat her by? Over the contest we’ve seen some cult characters do rather well, but we’ve also seen them crash and burn like mad. Now we have to consider a few factors to determine her strength.

First of all sales for Perfect Dark were over 2 million in the US. Now that’s pretty well for a game near the end of the Nintendo 64 era. But as we may all know sales don’t give the full picture or else Pokémon characters would do very well in these types of contest. Also in the games contest Perfect Dark may have done well again SotN, but the Castlevania game didn’t do as well against GoldenEye.

Second, Joanna Dark is from a FPS game and unless your name is Master Chief you’re not going to do to well in these contests. Take a look at Duke and Lara they’re both from popular game series yet they do poorly in the contest, but then again both of those characters are hated by many people so Joanna might not do worse then them.

There is also a possible chance of SFF happening on that match. Even though the game was made by Rare, the game was on the system where almost everyone had some kind of Mario game. Whether it be Super Mario 64, Mario Kart 64 or even a Mario Party game I can tell you that at least 80% Nintendo 64 owners had some kind of Mario game. Though if there was going to be SFF in this match it will be fairly small.

Finally there are Mario anti-votes. Personally I don’t think that’s true and it’s only an excuse used during Mario’s first match because he did so poorly and even if there was any anti-vote it will be fairly small and would most likely be cancelled out by Joanna’s anti-votes.

I’m going to expect something around 80-20, but there is no way Joanna is going to escape a tripling by Mario. This may be the first match of the contest, but it won’t be the most interesting.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Mario Mario over Joanna Dark

charmander6000’s Prediction: Mario wins, 80.29% - 19.71%

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17 handhelds Nintendo has taken down 1 more to go (see quote for rest)

While I'd detest GS linkage, higher vote totals and a few surprises can't hurt.

Anything that can shake up the contest a bit is A-OK in my book (as long as it's legal, obviously).
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Today's subliminal thought is:

I consider Likn to be the favorite simply because it's the ToC. It's a mini bracket to see who is the champ of champs. If it were part of the regular bracket I'd take Cloud, but in a situation asking who is the all-time greatest champion Link wins, fo sho.
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"Have you missed me? Was I there? I was dreaming... someone cared" - Iio "Give it Up"

...But that's not really what it's asking.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

What else can a tournament of champions ask, other than "which of these champions is the best champion?"
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"Have you missed me? Was I there? I was dreaming... someone cared" - Iio "Give it Up"

What else can it ask?

"Which champion is the most popular?" That's basically what the whole contest is about anyway. Nobody's gonna vote Link because he was the "best champion."
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Also who here expects Tidus to get 80% or more on The King of All Cosmos?

It wouldn't surprise me, but I'm trying to be more optimistic than that >_>
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The King of all Cosmos' route to summer victory:
Round 1: (4) Tidus... LET ME DREAM :

At worst, (using Tidus's strict 2004 ranking and making the King equal to Vyse), Tidus should get 63.82% on the King.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Also who here expects Tidus to get 80% or more on The King of All Cosmos?

*crosses fingers*

I guess I do understand why people got bugged by CATS/Cats/whatever.

Plus, I'm no expert on stats, but..

If Tidus can only get 63-64% on the King, I don't like his chances at all against Kirby unless Cecil performs better than I expect him to.
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Vote every day in the NCAA Character Battle 2005 contest!

That's just the floor percentage for Tidus.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Here is a little list I made. Wonder how it will hold up by the end of the contest.

Hardest Division: Devil Division
Easiest Division: 20XX Division
Most Underrated Division: Gear Division
Most Overrated Division: Dream Division
Most Underrated Character: Big Boss
Most Overrated Character: Dante
Closest Matchup: Alucard/Sora
Biggest Blow Out: Samus/Yuri (But Yuri wont be the weakest character)
Most Overrated Matchup: Tidus-Bowser/Ryu
Matchup That Deserved More Talk Than It Got: Kratos/Diablo
Characters That Will Break Brackets: Snake (obviously either way), Vincent
Characters That Could Shock Us All (aka Master Hand, Starcraft): Cecil, Zelda
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Your last list lacks Terra.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Terra has enough support where it wouldnt be that SHOCKER. Cecil over Kirby and Zelda over Snake seem like they are much less taken picks that could come up huge.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

How is Dante most overrated? If anything, the loser of kerrigan/vincent ought to get that award.
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This sig avaliable for rent.

Most Overrated Character: Dante

That's the only thing you've got wrong. The average person has him losing in round 2. If anything Vincent or Bowser is the most Overrated Characters.
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17 handhelds Nintendo has taken down 1 more to go (see quote for rest)

This was mostly in reference to this thread where most people accept the fact Vincent will probably destroy Kerrigan. Now if its a close match, Vincent wins the most overrated hands down, but I dont think it will be. Dante on the other hand really is going to have a tough time surviving the first round and I find people picking him over Vincent which is something I cant see happening. A runner up to that award goes to Tidus.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

If...

Namco X Capcom came out today was released today...
(the bolded ones would screw this bracket up even more)


Ryu would have Bowser 55-45 (Ryu's pretty damn good)
The Chunner would also get 40+ on him (She's damn fun for this game, if not ultra powerful)
KOS-MOS would have Luigi 60-40 (KOS-MOS is even better, arguably the best character in the game)
Megaman would be deadlocked with Crono (MM is disappointing but fun)
Unfortunaely, Zero's not in the game, otherwise his match with Mario would be even closer. If he rocked I'd call it 52/48 in Mario's favor.
Jin wouldn't be tripled/quadded by Sonic
Leon would get absolutely no boost cuz both RE and Dino Crisis sucks in this game and he is already gunna double GFNW


Too bad games are released for this contest eh?

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Spring Contest 2k5 Score: 76/80 T-117th

From: NewLib | Posted: 7/18/2005 3:40:14 PM | Message Detail
Here is a little list I made. Wonder how it will hold up by the end of the contest.

Hardest Division: Devil Division
Easiest Division: 20XX Division
Most Underrated Division: Gear Division
Most Overrated Division: Dream Division
Most Underrated Character: Big Boss
Most Overrated Character: Dante
Closest Matchup: Alucard/Sora
Biggest Blow Out: Samus/Yuri (But Yuri wont be the weakest character)
Most Overrated Matchup: Tidus-Bowser/Ryu
Matchup That Deserved More Talk Than It Got: Kratos/Diablo
Characters That Will Break Brackets: Snake (obviously either way), Vincent
Characters That Could Shock Us All (aka Master Hand, Starcraft): Cecil, Zelda

IMO, this is it:
Hardest Division: Dream Division
Easiest Division: Mushroom Division
Most Underrated Division: Gear Division
Most Overrated Division: Devil Division
Most Underrated Character: Leon Kennedy
Most Overrated Character: Vincent Valentine
Closest Matchup: Bowser vs. Ryu (Alucard vs. Sora is a close second)
Biggest Blowout: Solid Snake vs. Manny Calavera (and he'll be the weakest character)
Most Overrated Matchup: Kefka vs. Tommy Vercetti
Matchup That Deserved More Talk Than It Got: Sonic vs. Tifa Lockheart
Characters That Will Break Brackets: Ryu (SF) and Solid Snake
Characters That Could Shock Us All: Pac-Man and Cecil
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Summer 2005 Contest - 0/0 points
Current Match Prediction: Mario vs. Joanna Dark

Talk about overrating one game.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Mushroom has one match that has some aura of doubt in it (CJ/Ness), 20XX doesnt even have that and dont give me Pac-Man. Even saying Ocelot was hugely overrated by the Spring Contest, having him lose to Pac-Man is still a huge stretch.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/sum05/b01.jpg

Close-ups for round 1, huh?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Mushroom has one match that has some aura of doubt in it (CJ/Ness), 20XX doesnt even have that

Yoshi vs. Revolver Ocelot.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 0/0 points
Current Match Prediction: Mario vs. Joanna Dark

Also, I almost put Leon as the most underrated character over Big Boss. Both are going to go down when they are suppose to but not nearly as easy as they are suppose to.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

NewLib:

1. I've played it. You haven't. You can't judge how good this game is and thus it's effect.
2. If KHF can contribuite so much from its characters being a guide, being playable and being in the spot light(KOS-MOS is arguably the games's main character other than the characters made just for the game and an unstoppable force/Ryu, Ken, and the Chunner appear early on as well and carry through) can contribuite more. I don't think I bumped percentages much more than KHF.

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Spring Contest 2k5 Score: 76/80 T-117th

Close-ups for round 1, huh?

Peace out, Dante. Hello, Terra.

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

This also means we likely won't see Lettuce Kefka this year.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

I dont care how good the game is. Kingdom Hearts is a multi-million seller, thus game will be lucky to break 200,000 copies sold.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

From: NewLib | Posted: 7/18/2005 3:54:58 PM | Message Detail
Also, I almost put Leon as the most underrated character over Big Boss. Both are going to go down when they are suppose to but not nearly as easy as they are suppose to.

Agreed. Big Boss is underrated but I had to put Leon because he will end up being the strongest RE character to be in a contest (yes, even moreso than Claire - they are from the same game).
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Summer 2005 Contest - 0/0 points
Current Match Prediction: Mario vs. Joanna Dark

In fact, if Namco X Capcom as released in the US at its Japan release date (5/26/05) I'd be willing to put money on all those bolded calls. NxC Factor baby.
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Spring Contest 2k5 Score: 76/80 T-117th

You think Mega Man is going to increase from a fighting game when he stayed the same the year he had his big Anniversary Collection come out. Yeah, right.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Here are my picks.

Hardest Division: Dream Division
Easiest Division: 20XX Division
Most Underrated Division: Gear Division
Most Overrated Division: Zebes Division (I really didn't know what to put here)
Most Underrated Character: Vivi, KOS-MOS
Most Overrated Character: Bowser, Vincent
Closest Matchup: Tidus/Ryu or Bowser
Biggest Blow Out: Samus/Yuri, Sora/Agent 47
Most Overrated Matchup: Ganondorf/Auron
Matchup That Deserved More Talk Than It Got: Luigi/KOS-MOS
Characters That Will Break Brackets: Ryu, Tidus
Characters That Could Shock Us All (aka Master Hand, Starcraft): Ryu, Tidus
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17 handhelds Nintendo has taken down 1 more to go (see quote for rest)

How is Ryu going to shock us when he was one of the bigger upsets taken? Unless you mean beating Snake.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

It's gonna be difficult for both Tidus and Ryu to be the biggest bracket busters.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Namco X Capcom is a SRPG and bombed in Japan so even if it came out in the USA don't expect anything major.

Its a Strategy RPG? Wow.... and for all this time I thought it was a fighting game.

Also any doubt that Mario wouldnt quadruple Joanna just went out the window with that pic. Wow, she is fugly in that one.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Hardest Division: Dream Division
Easiest Division: Flood Division
Most Underrated Division: Beats me
Most Overrated Division: Devil Division
Most Underrated Character: Terra
Most Overrated Character: Bowser
Closest Matchup: Alucard/Sora, Samus/Sephiroth
Biggest Blow Out: Sora/Neo Tanner
Most Overrated Matchup: Magus/Squall
Matchup That Deserved More Talk Than It Got: Kratos/Diablo
Characters That Will Break Brackets: Winner of Ryu/Bowser, Samus
Characters That Could Shock Us All (aka Master Hand, Starcraft): Lloyd Irving

*shrug*

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

Lloyd shocking us all as in losing to Wesker, or as in beating Zero?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Characters That Could Shock Us All (aka Master Hand, Starcraft): Lloyd Irving

I'm sure you can figure it out. I never said I would make that pick, just that it's possible. Kind of.

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

Hardest Division: Devil Division
Easiest Division: 20XX Division
Most Underrated Division: Gear Division
Most Overrated Division: Dream Division
Most Underrated Character: KOS-MOS
Most Overrated Character: Mega Man
Closest Matchup: KOS-MOS/Luigi
Biggest Blow Out: Snake/Manny
Most Overrated Matchup: Vincent/Kerrigan
Matchup That Deserved More Talk Than It Got: Luigi/KOS-MOS
Characters That Will Break Brackets: KOS-MOS, Alucard, Sonic
Characters That Could Shock Us All (aka Master Hand, Starcraft): The K- ...Terra >_>
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The King of all Cosmos' route to summer victory:
Round 1: (4) Tidus... LET ME DREAM :

It would require Lloyd being stronger than every FF protagonist not named Cloud. Can't buy it.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

You think Mega Man is going to increase from a fighting game when he stayed the same the year he had his big Anniversary Collection come out. Yeah, right.

I'm not asking for a Heroic Mario here in taking out Link. Megaman is already in the general range of Crono, clearly behind but he's in the vicinity. A few percentage points does put him close enough to Crono for it to be a deadlocked match. In addition, MMAC is just a colleciton of old games. It's not going to convince people because people who want MMAC would already vote for Megaman. An appearance in a new game, a new genre will bring in enough new voters to bump MM that 2% that makes the X-Stats too close to call.

Namco X Capcom is a SRPG and bombed in Japan so even if it came out in the USA don't expect anything major.

1. The game hasn't even been out 2 months, not long enough to make a call on it.
2. The voting population in Japan on gfaqs is relatively low, and people are asking for it to be imported here, so even if it is dipping in sales there(which I have not heard), it's clearly not diminishing it's demand here.
3. I've heard that it's performing decently unless you show me nubmers that produce otherwise.

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Spring Contest 2k5 Score: 76/80 T-117th

It seemed more possible to me than any other potential "shock us all" upset.

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

I don't have number but Namco said their were greatly dissapointed with the sales, the biggest blame for low sales is that alot of the characters are extremely obscure.

I'll put in my two cents.

Hardest Division: Dream Division
Easiest Division: Mushroom Division
Most Underrated Division: Gear Division
Most Overrated Division: Devil Division
Most Underrated Character: Tidus
Most Overrated Character: Bowser
Closest Matchup: Ryu/Bowser
Biggest Blow Out: Snake/Manny
Most Overrated Matchup: Vivi/Zelda
Matchup That Deserved More Talk Than It Got: Yoshi/Ocelot
Characters That Will Break Brackets: Auron, Squall Leonhart
Characters That Could Shock Us All (aka Master Hand, Starcraft): Terra Branford
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/sum05/b01.jpg

Joanna looks like Stifler's mom in that pic.... MILF! MILF! MILF!
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

You can blame that on the Namco end but some name worthy characters off the top of my head...

I'm gunna find the numbers and do a more thorough analysis on its success after work(in 1 hour)

SF
Ryu
Ken
Chun
Sakura

Darkstalkers
Morrigan
Demitri
Felicia
Hsien-Ko

Captain Commando and groupies
KOS-MOS
Megaman and Roll
Trone
King
Regina
Stahn and Rutee(ToD) pwnage.


That list of names ain't too shabby in terms of US gamers.


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Spring Contest 2k5 Score: 76/80 T-117th

Okay found it. Last week it was on the charts it did 121,000. Next week it was under the 10th ranked game and it only sold 7.000, so I doubt it even reached 150,000. And that was a game apparently built for Japan.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

I don't think any of these characters you're talking about has "shock us all" value. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if Terra won two rounds, nor if Ryu won two. it would have to be something like KOS-MOS > Tifa or Lloyd > Zero or Cecil > Kirby, something no one saw coming.
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Here is the US Consumer's reaction

SF
Ryu - STREET FIGHTER II!!
Ken - STREET FIGHTER II!!
Chun - Im assuming this is Chun-Li. See above.
Sakura - Some will know, some wont.

Darkstalkers
Morrigan - Dont know her but she has got a nice rack.
Demitri - WHO?
Felicia - WHO?
Hsien-Ko -WHO?

Captain Commando and groupies
KOS-MOS - She might be in that RPG most of us didnt play.
Megaman and Roll - MegaMan!
Trone - Who?
King - Who? Seriously who is this. King of all Cosmos? King from Tekken?
Regina - Who?
Stahn and Rutee(ToD) pwnage. - Double Who?
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Don't worry. I'm not senile enough to say that NxC would vault KOS-MOS over Tifa...
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Spring Contest 2k5 Score: 76/80 T-117th

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

Lots of people know who the Darkstalkers and Sakura are.

But outside of those most of them are too obscure.

OMG TJF!

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**Congratulations Naye745: Most closely predicted the release of the Summer Contest 2005 Bracket**

Lots of people. You are treading in dangerous terrority. Morrigan is really the only Darkstalker that I say is a recognizable figure.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Felicia ia also reconziable, and Demitri has been taking Morrigan's spot in crossover recently (thank god).

At least 2 of those characetrs are respectably strong in this contest (MM and Ryu)
and several of those characters would be mid-carders and perform well above the Vyse-fodder line. (Chun, Morrigan, Ken, KOS-MOS)

Even characters like Regina/Captain Commando will be recognized when played or even seen on the box.
The Stahn and Rutee inclusion was jsut for my satisfaction. I don't expect them to gain recognition.

I forgot Strider too. He's r0x0rz.
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Spring Contest 2k5 Score: 76/80 T-117th

Strider Hiryu's in NxC, dammit.
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Lonely Angel
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owned by 1min 3 secs =)
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Spring Contest 2k5 Score: 76/80 T-117th

And Strider Hien and Tong Poo.

And we all should know Captain Commando is the company's true mascot, as it was quite evident in his game and his quotes in Marvel vs Capcom.
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Lonely Angel
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Capcom built itself on fighting games and Megaman

As cool as Captain Corridor is, MM and Ryu all the way baby.
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Spring Contest 2k5 Score: 76/80 T-117th

MM and Ryu aren't worth playing in their fighting games, CapCom's got his assist.
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Lonely Angel
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Captain Cammando IS Capcom, why do you think he's the only God tier Capcom character in Marvel vs Capcom 2.

It's Marvel vs CapCom 2

Wait a second. Does this mean the sprite round will be in the 2nd round? Hmmm...
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

No.
The following are the God tier MvC2 chars
Sentinel
Cable
MagRushDown
StormRushDown
Doom

and the following are the God tier MvC1 char
Cap America
Chun
Strider
Wolv
Iron Man

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Spring Contest 2k5 Score: 76/80 T-117th

True, MM and Ryu aren't godly in their fighters
but hey, have you ever heard of a CapCommando Movie or Animated series?
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Spring Contest 2k5 Score: 76/80 T-117th

Darkstalkers isn't obscure in the US at all. It's just not as big as Street Fighter is. But Marvel Vs. Capcom and other crossover fighting games would MORE than make up for it for Felicia.

Sakura is a WELL known Street Fighter. Only those who stopped playing the series after Street Fighter II wouldn't know who she was. Alpha has been around since Super Nintendo, and she's in a number of crossover games as well.

Tron Bonne should be well known by now as well. Not only does she appear in the Mega Man Legends series and have her own game, but she is also a starting character in Marvel vs. Capcom 2. People would at LEAST know her for that role.
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

MvC1: Strider, Chun, Wolverine, War Machines
MvC2: MagSentStormCab (heh), Strider, Doom, CapCom, Tron, Blackheart
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Lonely Angel
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Doom isen't god tier, he's top tier, Cap is between god and top tier.

Doom plays like god with Strider and Blackheart, his Rocks assist is arguably the second best assist in the game after Captain Corridor.
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Lonely Angel
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From: therealmnm
Sakura is a WELL known Street Fighter. Only those who stopped playing the series after Street Fighter II wouldn't know who she was. Alpha has been around since Super Nintendo, and she's in a number of crossover games as well.

A very large portion of players. Ive had this argument before. Street Fighter sales drop after II.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

And I'm pissed Jin became unplayable in MvC2. BLODIA!
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Lonely Angel
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We can't forget about Tron's assist either. You can't really argue about the damage it deals.
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Rockman's Road to Victory: Round 1: Conker
Don't forget to vote for: Ryu(SF)

A very large portion of players. Ive had this argument before. Street Fighter sales drop after II.

That's like saying Yoshi is weak because Mario games took a sales drop after SMB3.

Third Strike is arguably the second most popular fighting game currently in the US.
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Lonely Angel
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Dont compare the sales drop of Street Fighter after SFII and Mario after SMB 3. Considering Super Mario 64 was still one of the top 5 best selling titles last generation.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

The only fighting games that have really sold this generation are Soul Calibur II and Tekken 4.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

SFAC sold well.
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Lonely Angel
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Add also DOA 3.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

How well? Im talking about games that have even appraoched the million sales barrier which is usually the point in which you can say a game is completely mainstream.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

You're seriously missing CapAm in MvC1.
Deals great damage
Takes great amounts of damage
Double jump
Double jump air combos for 1/2 life J,J,J Jump, J,S,S,F air throw/finish
excellent reach/priority
invincible super that chips well

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Spring Contest 2k5 Score: 76/80 T-117th

Dont compare the sales drop of Street Fighter after SFII and Mario after SMB 3. Considering Super Mario 64 was still one of the top 5 best selling titles last generation.

Really is one of them not Pokemon
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17 handhelds Nintendo has taken down 1 more to go (see quote for rest)

The most popular fighting games out right now are Soul Calibur and Tekken.

From a tournament perspective however, FrostHarpy is right. Third Strike is the second most popular fighting game out right now, with MvC2 being top dog.
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5/18/05
Never forget. Never forgive.

SCII had console exclusive characters, aka Spawn, Old Man, and Twelve with fans.
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Lonely Angel
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Why are we even arguing this in the first place? The point is a Strategy RPG, a genre which typically doesnt sell all too well, isnt going to be enough to raise Mega Man the 2 percent he needs at the least (probably more) to rival Crono.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Doom > Cap Com

He's one the reliable weapons that take out Sentinel

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Spring Contest 2k5 Score: 76/80 T-117th

Super Mario 64 was still one of the top 5 best selling titles last generation.

Super Mario 64 is the second best selling game of the past 10 years. Can anyone guess what #1 is?


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5/18/05
Never forget. Never forgive.

Super Mario 64 is to my belief the second best selling Nintendo 64 game behind Mario Kart 64. I also believe those two games outsold all the PSX games. If you count Red/Blue as one game then yes they are. If you dont, then maybe I dont know if they outsold Gold/Silver.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Pokemon?
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Rockman's Road to Victory: Round 1: Conker
Don't forget to vote for: Ryu(SF)

New: I still disagree.
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Spring Contest 2k5 Score: 76/80 T-117th

Nah. Super Mario 64 was far and away the best selling N64 game, with Goldeneye being the second best selling.
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5/18/05
Never forget. Never forgive.

You can disagree all you want, the game was made for Japan and will be lucky to break 200,000.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Oh, and the best selling game of the past 10 years is Grand Theft Auto: Vice City.
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5/18/05
Never forget. Never forgive.

No way GTA:VC outsold Pokemon Red/Blue.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

I love how substantial arguments give way to one-liners as post 500 looms over the horizon.
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Spring Contest 2k5 Score: 76/80 T-117th

Yeah, it did. But then again, that's if you tally them separately.
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5/18/05
Never forget. Never forgive.

Not Red and Blue combined, but individually. Vice City sold nearly 10 million, if I'm not mistaken.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

You are mistaken. We looked it up not too long ago. Its around 7 million.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Red and Blue needs to be combined together. A small percent can be taken out for people that buy both I suppose
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Spring Contest 2k5 Score: 76/80 T-117th

Super Mario 64 is to my belief the second best selling Nintendo 64 game behind Mario Kart 64.

Super Mario 64 outsold Mario Kart 64.

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 1 - (8) Joanna Dark
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To 500 here we go
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He's the main villain from Devil May Cry 3 and he's winning because he poured laxative into Ghaleon's tea. - cyko talking about Vergil

Meh, don't know where I got that from. Coulda swore I saw that number somewhere.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Final page

Anti-Tag
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Spring Contest 2k5 Score: 76/80 T-117th

In the US its 6.6 million. Worldwide the number breaches 10 million.
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5/18/05
Never forget. Never forgive.

500!
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He's the main villain from Devil May Cry 3 and he's winning because he poured laxative into Ghaleon's tea. - cyko talking about Vergil

Super Mario 64 is the second best selling game of the past 10 years. Can anyone guess what #1 is?

I can name more than 1.

Pokemon Red
Pokemon Blue
Pokemon Yellow
Pokemon Gold (I think it's Gold could be Silver)
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City
Grand Theft Auto 3

Might be added to list by the end of the year: Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (Halo 2's sales have dropped since it was launched)

Interesting Fact: The only other game other then GTA that has sold over 10 Million copies is The Sims.
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17 handhelds Nintendo has taken down 1 more to go (see quote for rest)

There we go. The worldwide number is what I was thinking of.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Vice City sold 13 million copies, actually. But Pokemon Yellow sold 15 million, which makes it the highest selling game across any platform within the past decade. Only concerning consoles though, VC is indeed the highest selling.

Super Mario 64 sold 12 million copies worldwide, for the record.

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Mario's Path to Victory: Round 1 - (8) Joanna Dark
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LEROY JENKINS

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
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