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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 155
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/13/2005 2:52:25 PM | Message Detail
Do you like your shoe with or without tongue?

Heh.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 7/13/2005 2:54:20 PM | Message Detail
Puh-lease; the tongue is the lobster of the foot-accessory sea.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Knuckles
Serious Reminder: Vote for Tifa Lockheart, too
From: creativename | Posted: 7/13/2005 3:08:14 PM | Message Detail
Sorry all for SC2K5.com/oraclechallenge.com being down. I was away on vacation for the weekend. The problem was that the /var partition (where the MySQL databases are located) on the hard drive got filled up, because of other sites I have on the server. (sc2k4.com was unaffected because I never bothered to move that over to my server)
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www.SC2K5.com
From: CompmanJX3 | Posted: 7/13/2005 3:10:02 PM | Message Detail
Bomberman isn't exactly a powerhouse. Or a hot woman with a gun.
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Festivus
From: Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted: 7/13/2005 3:33:41 PM | Message Detail
Alucard, with the help of the plan, shall overcome Sora on the date of August 25th, 2005.


That's all I have to say for now.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/13/2005 3:34:38 PM | Message Detail
Hey, you missed Vivi beating Cloud in my contest, HM. Where you been?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno
From: Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted: 7/13/2005 3:48:14 PM | Message Detail
Aw, damn, Vivi beat Cloud? How bad was it?

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire
From: Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted: 7/13/2005 3:48:46 PM | Message Detail
Oh, and I was just busy doing some things these past few days. Nothing really big.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire
From: FastFalcon05 | Posted: 7/13/2005 4:28:43 PM | Message Detail
I feel as if I haven't posted in a bit...

Zelda/Snake isn't an upset I'm willing to take, but she'll probably do fine on him anyways.

Sora/Alucard surprised me a lot (in terms of how many people are supporting him) because he's been underrated twice now, and it just seems weird that now he has a good deal of support. To his credit, he did have Chain of Memories, but when I picked Sora I suspected favoritism was coming into play.

And, since everyone seems to be so dismissive of Kerrigan, how is she expected to do against Vincent? And, anecdotally, I recall seeing posts of it depends if she gets her Brood War picture, and funnily enough, I show Kerrigan to my friend, and he goes, "Isn't that the girl from the cover of Brood War?" I found it amusing.
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Revenge is a dish best served cold. ~Old Klingon Proverb
From: NewLib | Posted: 7/13/2005 4:56:52 PM | Message Detail
Kerrigan got a bad first round draw. Zidane got the worst first round draw possible. I feel sorry for the little guy with the tail.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia
From: Dilated Chemist | Posted: 7/13/2005 5:09:23 PM | Message Detail
As there been a rSFF match in the past?

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A E I OWN U
From: Adept_Of_Aiur | Posted: 7/13/2005 5:11:39 PM | Message Detail

And, since everyone seems to be so dismissive of Kerrigan, how is she expected to do against Vincent? And, anecdotally, I recall seeing posts of it depends if she gets her Brood War picture, and funnily enough, I show Kerrigan to my friend, and he goes, "Isn't that the girl from the cover of Brood War?" I found it amusing.


I recently entered the state of mind that Kerrigan will beat Vincent with about 52% of the vote.
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119
From: FastFalcon05 | Posted: 7/13/2005 5:23:57 PM | Message Detail
My bracket currently agrees with you.
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Revenge is a dish best served cold. ~Old Klingon Proverb
From: Prometheus321 | Posted: 7/13/2005 5:30:26 PM | Message Detail
*tag*

Kerrigan > Vincent
From: Heroic Viktor | Posted: 7/13/2005 5:32:57 PM | Message Detail
I think we may have ascertained some rSFF in Zero/MM, but maybe that was just me...

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
Sp2k5 - 77/80 (stupid Master Hand)
From: FastFalcon05 | Posted: 7/13/2005 5:35:29 PM | Message Detail
Other people have said that, yeah, but that just sounds silly to me. It logically sounds like it would make a lot more sense for Megaman to benefit fighting Zero than for Zero to get more votes because it's Megaman. If anything, Zero could have done better. It could even (but I highly doubt it) be a Mario/Samus situation where the second character is stronger than the first, but not if fighting the other character. Hopefully that's how Mario/Samus goes...
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Revenge is a dish best served cold. ~Old Klingon Proverb
From: Aprosenf | Posted: 7/13/2005 6:26:57 PM | Message Detail
Right when the bracket came out, I called a doubling of Kerrigan by Vincent, and I stand by it.
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For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to refer to Gordon Freeman versus Tanner as Schrodinger's Match. -Phoenix Flattener
From: Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted: 7/13/2005 6:30:19 PM | Message Detail
It will never happen and I'll be happy when Vincent is the one doing the doubling.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire
From: Adept_Of_Aiur | Posted: 7/13/2005 6:31:13 PM | Message Detail
It will never happen and I'll be happy when Vincent is the one doing the doubling.

Apro SAID he thinks Vincent will double Kerrigan.
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119
From: CompmanJX3 | Posted: 7/13/2005 6:31:26 PM | Message Detail
HM... take another look at his post.
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Festivus
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/13/2005 8:26:14 PM | Message Detail
Vivi beat Cloud? How bad was it?

Vivi won, 38-32.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno
From: LordOfDabu | Posted: 7/13/2005 10:25:50 PM | Message Detail
It could even (but I highly doubt it) be a Mario/Samus situation where the second character is stronger than the first, but not if fighting the other character.

Just so you know, by saying that A > B and B > C do not necessarily mean A > C, you are admitting that the extrapolated values are meaningless, as they rely on the A > C assumption to work at all.
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Think fast. Click faster.
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 7/13/2005 10:41:27 PM | Message Detail
Just as you said A > C isn't necessarily true, the x-stats being meaningless isn't necessarily true, either. You still need to know when you should and shouldn't go against them.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Knuckles
Serious Reminder: Vote for Tifa Lockheart, too
From: LordOfDabu | Posted: 7/13/2005 11:46:12 PM | Message Detail
If upper tier characters are not transitive [For example, Mario/Samus/Crono], then the rest of the stats break apart since they are calculated through those characters.

Transitivity is a requirement. Assuming that characters A, B, and C have values of 1, x, and y [which correspond to 50%, 50x%, and 50y%], then A > B is 1 - x/2, B > C is 1 - y/(2x), and A > C is 1 - y/2 [I will not post how these calculations are derived here, although they are relatively straightforward calculations]. The idea behind the extrapolated statistics is that the secondary parts are transitive, in that x/2 * y/(2x) * 2 = y/2. Since the extrapolated uses percentages instead of decimal numbers, they divide by 50 instead of multiplying by 2 as I have done here. That the transitivity comes from x/2 and not 1 - x/2 is why the stats are calculated through the loser's percentage and not the winner's percentage [CvA is obtained instead of AvC].
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Think fast. Click faster.
From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 7/13/2005 11:51:06 PM | Message Detail
I think that Joanna will score around 25%. I can't see her as being weaker than JC Denton, and she was on the Xbox. Xbox fans will vote anything Xbox over anything else.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/13/2005 11:51:50 PM | Message Detail
That's good news for Conker then.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno
From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 7/13/2005 11:54:42 PM | Message Detail
I think either Ulti is highly overestimating the Xbox fans or confusing them with the Halo fans. Ryu Hayabusa has proven that being on the xbox doesn't get you all that far.
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!
From: LagunaMG | Posted: 7/13/2005 11:55:12 PM | Message Detail
Joanna isn't on the Xbox yet. =p

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 7/14/2005 12:09:24 AM | Message Detail
Joanna doesn't have an Xbox game yet though, nor will she by a week from now.


Conker 2k4 should get 22.74% on adjusted Mega Man, and 25.27% on unadjusted Mega Man. With Conker: Live And Reloaded being out for a lil' under three months before his match comes along, I'd love to see Conker get 30%...but I bet against that happening pretty hard. That would mean Conker would now be at least as strong as Scorpion, and that's based off of an unadjusted Mega Man. I'd love that, but that's nothing more than wishful thinking on my part.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Knuckles
Serious Reminder: Vote for Tifa Lockheart, too
From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 7/14/2005 12:09:51 AM | Message Detail
1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Ngamer64
3 - yoblazer33
4 - Team Rocket Elite
5 - Ballpoint Pencil
6 - HaRRicH
7 - NewLib
8 - Heroic Mario
9 - RPGGamer0
10- Tirofog
11 - Haste2
12 - Fiop
13 - Starion
14 - Lopen
15 - greatone10
16 - MegatokyoEd
17 - SonicRaptor
18 - Lucid Faia
19 - Draco1214
20 - Gr8CyberMonkey
21 - Heroic Viktor (tnote)
22 - Undeniable
23 - CaptainFlufflez
24 - Dranze
25 - Vile Requiem
26 - Forceful Dragon
27 - Lieutenant Kettch
28 - swirldude
29 - andaca
30 - Ed_Bellis
31 - RPGuy96
32 - Janus5000
33 - Dilated Chemist
34 - Applekidjosh
35 - Mac Arrowny
36 - Z1mZum
37 - Link Jr
38 - Aprosenf
39 - Chinballz
40 - somdude04
41 - Buzzup
42 - Silverflame
43 - cavedog0
44 - Shake
45 - Lettuce Kefka
46 - Rufus Shinra 18
47 - Gooper Blooper
48 - Ringworm
49 - stepintothearena
50 - Zylo the wolf
51 - Fantusta
52 - XxSoulxX
53 - Heroic Gamma Ray
54 - jonthomson
55 - Master Moltar
56 - XIII is cool
57 - Tediz247
58 - charmander6000
59 - plasmabeam
60 - Phediuk
61 - alpha door
62 - ExThaNemesis
63 - Tai
64 - Shdwdde
65 - VicPez
66 - Sir Bormun
67 - Tjian
68 - Brainstruck
69 - ChichiriMuyo
70 - ShinDragon (sidharta)
71 - Brett with Atreyu
72 - Smurf87
73 - DeeJayDragon
74 - Weird Kirby Dude11
75 - DomaDragoon
76 - dragoontheguy
77 - Radix
78 - rpgapzx
79 - PugTheNinja
80 - Kaxon
81 - FastFalcon05
82 - ubarn
83 - King Morgoth
84 - Mithrandir1331
85 - cyko
86 - Fett0001
87 - SecondBest
88 - Shivan Reincarnated
89 - outback
90 - A worlds envy
91 - Crono801
92 - LuniNutz99
93 - Sephirot1
94 - ExquisiteSamurai
95 - SlangEdter41
96 - voltch
97 - transience
98 - igota75
99 - dethfddddh
100 - red sox 777
101 - Yesmar
102 - ff6man
103 - arkenaga
104 - meche313
105 - BeTheMan
106 - bigkevinm84
107 - Steinershocker
108 - steve illumina
109 - Naye745
110 - MasterMage119
111 - Acronym
112 - SoulKnightX
113 - perdevious
114 - Jman_gamerX8
115 - fallenstar
116 - ps2rulezzz
117 - KingBartz
118 - Heroic Knuckles
119 - MMXcalibur
120 - nh82
121 - Explicit Content
122 - KrahenProphet
123 - Figlar20000
124 - nifboy
125 - dethwing
126 - Garsha
127 - Prometheus321
128 - JonPen1416
129 - TheGreatMaster
130 - The Wise Tonberry
131 - futuresuperstar
132 - TheRye
133 - XxSabin FigaroxX
134 - DpObliVion
135 - expaniol
136 - CompmanJX3

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 7/14/2005 12:12:06 AM | Message Detail
Also, for kicks, if Mega Man deserved full credit of his 2k3 performance and Conker got 30%, he's right in-between Tails and Kefka. Awesome, but not happening there. =/
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Knuckles
Serious Reminder: Vote for Tifa Lockheart, too
From: sidharta | Posted: 7/14/2005 1:51:26 AM | Message Detail
I'd hate to use MM as a measuring stick for anything.

Last contest he randomly overperforms and underperforms at will.

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Posts without a sig looks ugly, so I guess I need something here.
From: Dilated Chemist | Posted: 7/14/2005 2:00:44 AM | Message Detail
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/5119/yoshivsocelot7uw.jpg

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A E I OWN U
From: Zylo the wolf | Posted: 7/14/2005 2:13:55 AM | Message Detail
Also, for kicks, if Mega Man deserved full credit of his 2k3 performance and Conker got 30%, he's right in-between Tails and Kefka.

Awesome
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My biggest predictions: Mario over Samus, Alucard over Sora, Magus over Dante.
From: voltch | Posted: 7/14/2005 2:38:05 AM | Message Detail
so what do people expect jin to get on sonic? better or worse than terry bogard
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft
From: Zylo the wolf | Posted: 7/14/2005 2:42:35 AM | Message Detail
I wish Jin would do worse than Terry Bogard. But now that Tekken 5 has been released I don't see how Jin could do any worse than Terry.
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My biggest predictions: Mario over Samus, Alucard over Sora, Magus over Dante.
From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 7/14/2005 3:24:26 AM | Message Detail
I expect less than Terry. Tekken may be bigger than KoF but no one really cares. KoF has one of the more hardcore fanbases, and for as much as you'd expect for Tekken it's latest incarnation recieved much less fanfare than the previous one (which was considered by many to be the worst in the series at that point).
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!
From: A Hogasm IN POG FORM | Posted: 7/14/2005 4:43:46 AM | Message Detail
1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Ngamer64
3 - yoblazer33
4 - Team Rocket Elite
5 - Ballpoint Pencil
6 - HaRRicH
7 - NewLib
8 - Heroic Mario
9 - RPGGamer0
10- Tirofog
11 - Haste2
12 - Fiop
13 - Starion
14 - Lopen
15 - greatone10
16 - MegatokyoEd
17 - SonicRaptor
18 - Lucid Faia
19 - Draco1214
20 - Gr8CyberMonkey
21 - Heroic Viktor (tnote)
22 - Undeniable
23 - CaptainFlufflez
24 - Dranze
25 - Vile Requiem
26 - Forceful Dragon
27 - Lieutenant Kettch
28 - swirldude
29 - andaca
30 - Ed_Bellis
31 - RPGuy96
32 - Janus5000
33 - Dilated Chemist
34 - Applekidjosh
35 - Mac Arrowny
36 - Z1mZum
37 - Link Jr
38 - Aprosenf
39 - Chinballz
40 - somdude04
41 - Buzzup
42 - Silverflame
43 - cavedog0
44 - Shake
45 - Lettuce Kefka
46 - Rufus Shinra 18
47 - Gooper Blooper
48 - Ringworm
49 - stepintothearena
50 - Zylo the wolf
51 - Fantusta
52 - XxSoulxX
53 - Heroic Gamma Ray
54 - jonthomson
55 - Master Moltar
56 - XIII is cool
57 - Tediz247
58 - charmander6000
59 - plasmabeam
60 - Phediuk
61 - alpha door
62 - ExThaNemesis
63 - Tai
64 - Shdwdde
65 - VicPez
66 - Sir Bormun
67 - Tjian
68 - Brainstruck
69 - ChichiriMuyo
70 - ShinDragon (sidharta)
71 - Brett with Atreyu
72 - Smurf87
73 - DeeJayDragon
74 - Weird Kirby Dude11
75 - DomaDragoon
76 - dragoontheguy
77 - Radix
78 - rpgapzx
79 - PugTheNinja
80 - Kaxon
81 - FastFalcon05
82 - ubarn
83 - King Morgoth
84 - Mithrandir1331
85 - cyko
86 - Fett0001
87 - SecondBest
88 - Shivan Reincarnated
89 - outback
90 - A worlds envy
91 - Crono801
92 - LuniNutz99
93 - Sephirot1
94 - ExquisiteSamurai
95 - SlangEdter41
96 - voltch
97 - transience
98 - igota75
99 - dethfddddh
100 - red sox 777
101 - Yesmar
102 - ff6man
103 - arkenaga
104 - meche313
105 - BeTheMan
106 - bigkevinm84
107 - Steinershocker
108 - steve illumina
109 - Naye745
110 - MasterMage119
111 - Acronym
112 - SoulKnightX
113 - perdevious
114 - Jman_gamerX8
115 - fallenstar
116 - ps2rulezzz
117 - KingBartz
118 - Heroic Knuckles
119 - MMXcalibur
120 - nh82
121 - Explicit Content
122 - KrahenProphet
123 - Figlar20000
124 - nifboy
125 - dethwing
126 - Garsha
127 - Prometheus321
128 - JonPen1416
129 - TheGreatMaster
130 - The Wise Tonberry
131 - futuresuperstar
132 - TheRye
133 - XxSabin FigaroxX
134 - DpObliVion
135 - expaniol
136 - CompmanJX3
137 - A Hogasm IN POG FORM
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From: voltch | Posted: 7/14/2005 5:25:18 AM | Message Detail
so jin may get quite a beating by sonic heh
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 7/14/2005 7:44:08 AM | Message Detail
It shoulda been Yoshimitsu, not Jin. =/ Regardless, I think Jin's gonna barely out-perform Terry.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Knuckles
Serious Reminder: Vote for Tifa Lockheart, too
From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 7/14/2005 7:47:09 AM | Message Detail
Which would make me sick.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus
From: Phediuk | Posted: 7/14/2005 7:56:01 AM | Message Detail
I can't remember if I've posted in this topic yet or not. So, I guess I'll just tag it for now.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 7/14/2005 8:34:06 AM | Message Detail
Yes, well, it's a shame Dhaslim doesn't double Ryu, too, but not much we can do about that.....
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Knuckles
Serious Reminder: Vote for Tifa Lockheart, too
From: voltch | Posted: 7/14/2005 8:47:01 AM | Message Detail
this may sound incredibly stupid but how do you write in bold and italics?
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft
From: meche313 | Posted: 7/14/2005 8:48:57 AM | Message Detail
for bold --> <b ></ b> and <i ></i > <-- for italic (without the spaces)
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That's right. Cloud N. Candy would get a NEGATIVE percentage, and RPGuy's extrapolated calculator would crash. - therealmnm
From: Tediz247 | Posted: 7/14/2005 8:51:33 AM | Message Detail
From: Dilated Chemist | Posted: 7/13/2005 7:09:23 PM | #161
As there been a rSFF match in the past?

About the only possible example that I can think of would be Cloud/Sephiroth 2K3, and we can't really know for certain due to Sephiroth being so damn hard to accurately place.
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That... was her final mission. And like a true soldier, she saw it through the end.
ZSB [aX]
From: Dranze | Posted: 7/14/2005 8:53:00 AM | Message Detail
To Mario over Samus supports:

Anyone having a feeling that Mario may be more riskier than we thought?
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Shut up, make me a sandwich. That is all.
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 7/14/2005 8:58:47 AM | Message Detail
For what it's worth...

http://www.alexa.com/site/site_stats/signup?site_
url=www.gamefaqs.com&range=1y&widget=g&style
=c&submitted=true&mode=graph&range=3m&amzn_id=
(put 'em together)

...look at the jump GameFAQs has made in the past year in terms of hits; it's a lot higher than when Link/Cloud was goin' on. While the Villain Contest didn't necessarily show alot of hope for great high vote totals, there was also alot of fodder characters not many people cared about...any chance we could be seein' some great vote-totals or big variences in strength this summer (remember, in 2k3, alot of people think the higher population's what helped the Square characters, moreso than KHF even).
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Knuckles
Serious Reminder: Vote for Tifa Lockheart, too
From: Dranze | Posted: 7/14/2005 9:20:09 AM | Message Detail
So we're expected to see higher vote totals?
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Shut up, make me a sandwich. That is all.
From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 7/14/2005 9:21:12 AM | Message Detail
I'd be shocked if we didn't see vote totals just under the 2003 levels, personally. I fully expect ~100k with most matches.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus
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