From: therealmnm
You are completely delusional then. Snake not going to get that kind of boost from a game he wasnt in.

Snake can still get a potential boost from the game. Metal Gear Solid 3 could have potentially brought more Metal Gear Solid/Snake fans to the site.

I disagree, but I can see why people think that. If he was talking MGS 3 could get him near his 2003 levels, I wouldnt say a word. Trying to suggest Snake might be stronger than ever is wrong, however.

It's not like Naked Snake and Solid Snake are THAT different anyways. But I actually don't know, since I haven't played the game yet.

You should play it.

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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

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NewLib..

If KH can give Sephy/Cloud/Squall a boost..

Then MGS3 can give Snake a boost...

First off, there is reason to believe Sephy didnt get a huge boost from KH and that he just overperformed against Cloud. Second off, Cloud and Squall, especially Squall, played substantial roles in KH. Snake played no role. I can buy a small increase due to increase interest in the series, but I wont buy a huge leap.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Metal Gear Solid 3 could have potentially brought more Metal Gear Solid/Snake fans to the site.

And don't forget Acid.

(CARD BATTLE!
Oliolio!)

Seriously, Acid was hyped to be one of the PSP's killer apps. I can see it helping Snake a little.
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Actually, Snake was higher in 2003 anyways if I remember correctly
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

I'm still haven't even played through 2, even though I've had it for over 2 years now. I haven't been keeping up with games like I used to. I still haven't played Resident Evil 4... I think buying an XBox at the beginning of this year took me off focus due to playing strictly Halo, Halo 2, and Ninja Gaiden.

But yeah, I'm slowly catching up though.

I'm currently playing:

The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask (on Gamecube)
Metroid Prime 2: Echoes
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas

And I have Metal Gear Solid 2, Devil May Cry, and Viewtiful Joe, which I have had for years and are sitting on the backburner. I also just bought Tales of Symphonia so I can hurry up and play it before my eyes fall out from all the people here that spoil it for me. I also have Knights of the Old Republic sitting there, but I just can't get into the game....
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

You can't just write off the Sephy/Cloud match as "overperforming"..

2k2 Snake was stronger than 2k3 Snake, you didn't remember correctly(sadly).
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May 05 NPD Sales - PSP - 250k. DS - 57k.
PSP trumps DS by 4.38x in sales for the month of May.

You can't just write off the Sephy/Cloud match as "overperforming"..

2k2 Snake was stronger than 2k3 Snake, you didn't remember correctly(sadly).
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May 05 NPD Sales - PSP - 250k. DS - 57k.
PSP trumps DS by 4.38x in sales for the month of May.

Game of the Year talk or not, I haven't seen that translate into any extra love for Master Chief around these parts...besides, we know that GameFAQs isn't always in line with the mainstream. I'm very interested to see how MC fares against Donkey Kong in the second round. If he tops 55%, I'd be a little more convinced of his strength...but until that happens, he's still the guy that gave up 47% of the vote to Felix in 2003, and still the guy that scored out virtually equal to Liquid Snake in 2004...and after seeing what Liquid did against Sephiroth, that's not something to be proud of. MC might have a lot of potential, but until he backs it up with at least one strong contest performance, he's nothing more to me than a glorified mid-carder.
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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO...Pac-Man?

Why cant I? The same match happened in 2004 with very different results.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Okay MC did equal to LS who did a fraction of a percentage worst than Frog who is less than a percent lower than Solid.

If you take the trio down based on LS, you got to take Solid Snake down a little too.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

I doubt 2k3 Snake could break 47% on Crono or break 83% on Squall or 56% on Aeris(You get the point on 2k2 Snake > 2k3 Snake)
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May 05 NPD Sales - PSP - 250k. DS - 57k.
PSP trumps DS by 4.38x in sales for the month of May.

What are you talking about, Newlib? Naked Snake looks and sounds just like Solid Snake. He is also commonly referred to as "Snake". The only ones that care about the distinction are the fanatics that will likely vote Snake anyway.

For all intents and purposes, Solid Snake = Naked Snake. And Auron had better watch out if ol Boss gets a flattering picture.
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Raiden fact of the contest: Alucard is a plagiarist, this year Raiden will prove it!

I doubt 2k3 Snake could break 47% on Crono or break 83% on Squall or 56% on Aeris

I don't think anyone could do that.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

And Auron had better watch out if ol Boss gets a flattering picture.

He won't. I'm almost convinced that Big Boss got in due to Naked Snake nominations and Ceej put him in under "Big Boss" to distinguish him from Solid Snake.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Anyone who played the game could tell the difference.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

First off, there is reason to believe Sephy didnt get a huge boost from KH and that he just overperformed against Cloud.

No way. He may have overperformed against Cloud, but look at how badly he kicked Mario and Mega Man's asses. He clearly made a big jump in 2k3. Sephiroth was supposedly overrated in 2k2 also, and he still was projected to do 5% worse against Mario, not to mention actually doing 11% worse against Mega Man.
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SpC2K5 First Vote Champion
Congrats to yoblazer, the Guru contest winner!

Actually, Snake was higher in 2003 anyways if I remember correctly

Beat me to it, which makes me think...



-----MGS2(3, too?) SPOILERS-----



...if Solid can gain from being playable for, what, an hour and then be known as an NPC named Pliskin for most of the rest of MGS2, then it's a real possibility that him being in a supposedly-funny mini-game and looking/acting almost just like the lead of MGS3 might bring him back closer to 2k3 levels than some of us might have thought (not that I'm the first to say this, most likely)...



-----MGS2(3, too?) SPOILERS OVER-----



...also, MGS2 seemed more hatable than MGS3 (though it also seems like MGS2 has had more exposure and credit given than MGS3, too), though I might not be lookin' at the fanbase right when I say that. I'm not saying MGS3 > MGS2 here, but it looks to have been generally better-received.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Knuckles
Serious Reminder: Vote for Tifa Lockheart, too

Well, MGS2 was higher in the rankings in the Spring Contest than MGS1 was. However, perhaps Sephiroth/Liquid hinted at something going wrong in FFVII/MGS.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Well the thing, his gain from MGS 2 was minimal. I dont think he even did a percent better than his 2002 performance. And that was game he was actually in.

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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Speaking of MGS, why is it so hard to find a new copy of MGS2 on PS2?? I'd think it would be part of the greatest hits series, but instead the Substance version is completely impossible to find and the regular version is only on ebay.
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SpC2K5 First Vote Champion
Congrats to yoblazer, the Guru contest winner!

MC might have a lot of potential, but until he backs it up with at least one strong contest performance, he's nothing more to me than a glorified mid-carder.

MC lost to Frog by seven votes. That's strength.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Knuckles
Serious Reminder: Vote for Tifa Lockheart, too

DAMMIT HARRICH! I'm reading through your post looking at your argument, and I didn't even notice the spoilers warning.... ;_;

I think I'm going to go very, very far away from this topic....
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Okay MC did equal to LS who did a fraction of a percentage worst than Frog who is less than a percent lower than Solid.

If you take the trio down based on LS, you got to take Solid Snake down a little too.

That's exactly how I feel, which is why I dropped Solid down to 18th. I have very little faith in Metal Gear at this point, and I will not be surprised if Vivi/Zelda takes him out in round two.
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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO...Pac-Man?

Heh, I had no problem finding MGS2 for the PS2 when I bought it last October at EBGames (got it for under 10 bucks, baby). I was there today and I saw a copy of Substance (though it was for the XBox).
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Well the thing, his gain from MGS 2 was minimal. I dont think he even did a percent better than his 2002 performance. And that was game he was actually in.

Take away another 1,000 votes from Crono against Mario in 2k2 (CJay didn't remove all the cheat-votes, remember?), and the gain now looks better. Also, interestingly enough, I think somebody said months ago that, after removing those cheat-votes, he looks very similar to Solid 2k4...but I haven't done the numbers for myself to check that one.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Knuckles
Serious Reminder: Vote for Tifa Lockheart, too

Wow forget what I said about MGS 2. It came out in 2001? I could have sworn it came out in 2002.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

DAMMIT HARRICH! I'm reading through your post looking at your argument, and I didn't even notice the spoilers warning.... ;_;

Sorry bro'sef; I did my part.

If it makes you feel any better, um, I lied in that entire post...ahem.....
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Knuckles
Serious Reminder: Vote for Tifa Lockheart, too

Basing Snake through Knuckles all 3 years, 2003 Snake is noticeably stronger than the other two years. 2002 Snake is still ahead of 2004 Snake.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Anyone who played the game could tell the difference.

You keep telling yourself that... I'll keep believing that the Naked Snake-Solid Snake distinction is a token one that exists because homeboy didn't want it to be unrealistic. He's made to be just like Solid Snake, and most casual fans will give Solid Snake a boost in their "inner favorites list" accordingly.

And yeah, Leonhart, I never hesitated in picking Auron... the profile only helped my confidence. But I do think I could be in danger of losing a point should CJay swerve us with the picture.
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Raiden fact of the contest: Alucard is a plagiarist, this year Raiden will prove it!

Why? I take Auron to beat Solid.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

MC lost to Frog by seven votes. That's strength.

Depends on how strong you think Frog is. I don't think a whole lot of him, honestly.
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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO...Pac-Man?

Well, we'll find out what Frog's worth for sure this time...hopefully.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Yeah, with any luck we'll get answers to a lot of old questions this time around...I just wonder what new ones we'll end up with. *crosses fingers*
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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO...Pac-Man?

You know, unless Auron beats Ganondorf, we still won't have a definitive feel for where he stands in the stats because Samus is likely to SFF Ganon.
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It's just not the same without this name.
Faithful supporter of Squall Leonhart in SC2K5

I still stand by what USED to be controversial: Aeris > Frog. However, Frog shouldn't be all that weak. At worse, what, Yoshi's level?
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Knuckles
Serious Reminder: Vote for Tifa Lockheart, too

Yoshi shouldn't be that weak, either. :p
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"The strong men take everything and the weak men die." ~ Luca Blight, Suikoden II

Yeah if 'Dorf beats Auron we are going to have base the entire four pack on a character that hasn't been in a constant in 2 years and is the counterpart to one of the most inconsistent characters in this contest.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Auron might get screwed over if Mario somehow beat Samus, too. Two reasonable chances that Auron'll be behind SFF again this year.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Knuckles
Serious Reminder: Vote for Tifa Lockheart, too

Which means that Luigi shouldn't be either, which in turn means Squall shouldn't be either, which means that Samus was at her 2004 level in 2003, which means that Squall will beat Magus since he's close to Sonic's level.
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It's just not the same without this name.
Faithful supporter of Squall Leonhart in SC2K5

is the counterpart to one of the most inconsistent characters in this contest.

Though Auron seems pretty consistent by contrast.
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It's just not the same without this name.
Faithful supporter of Squall Leonhart in SC2K5

The whole Top 20 thing kinda died out, but here's mine anyway:

1. Link
2. Cloud
3. Sephiroth
4. Crono
5. Mario
6. Samus
7. Sonic
8. Magus
9. Ganondorf
10. Bowser
11. Solid Snake
12. Zero
13. Auron
14. Ryu
15. Squall
16. Aeris
17. Vivi
18. Yoshi
19. Zelda
20. Master Chief
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"The strong men take everything and the weak men die." ~ Luca Blight, Suikoden II

which means that Squall will beat Magus since he's close to Sonic's level.

...in 2003, the year that Magus was AHEAD of Sonic.
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SpC2K5 First Vote Champion
Congrats to yoblazer, the Guru contest winner!

Which means that Luigi shouldn't be either, which in turn means Squall shouldn't be either, which means that Samus was at her 2004 level in 2003, which means that Squall will beat Magus since he's close to Sonic's level.

Which would be great, except that Squall took a (slight) dip in 2004.
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"The strong men take everything and the weak men die." ~ Luca Blight, Suikoden II

...in 2003, the year that Magus was AHEAD of Sonic

Because Magus being .01% ahead of Sonic really means he'd beat Sonic. Not to mention the evidence that Magus was overrated.
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Wow, Mega Man doesn't make the top 20? I know he looked bad last year, but still... =P
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SpC2K5 First Vote Champion
Congrats to yoblazer, the Guru contest winner!

Note that I didn't say full 2k4 strength for Samus, either.
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"The strong men take everything and the weak men die." ~ Luca Blight, Suikoden II

Wow, Mega Man doesn't make the top 20? I know he looked bad last year, but still... =P

Curses!

1. Link
2. Cloud
3. Sephiroth
4. Crono
5. Mario
6. Samus
7. Mega Man
8. Sonic
9. Magus
10. Ganondorf
11. Bowser
12. Solid Snake
13. Zero
14. Auron
15. Ryu
16. Squall
17. Aeris
18. Vivi
19. Yoshi
20. Zelda

I'm more or less certain that I didn't miss anyone else.
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"The strong men take everything and the weak men die." ~ Luca Blight, Suikoden II

This is ridiculously off topic, but here is something that may be of interest for anyone curious about how much Starcraft fans will support Kerrigan, and it may give insight on Vincent's strength too.

http://gosugamers.net/forum.php?i=forum&visa=9&rubrik_id=104127&read=1

Now, I know that isn't many people, but still.
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MasterMage119

Which would be great, except that Squall took a (slight) dip in 2004.

That's kinda hard to prove, ain't it?
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It's just not the same without this name.
Faithful supporter of Squall Leonhart in SC2K5

That's kinda hard to prove, ain't it?

Yeah, there's only two of his matches supporting it. Out of two that are usable.
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"The strong men take everything and the weak men die." ~ Luca Blight, Suikoden II