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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 154
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/11/2005 5:55:10 PM | Message Detail
I'm thinking more for my own bracket.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno
From: transience | Posted: 7/11/2005 6:00:56 PM | Message Detail
oh, and if you're going to rank a top 20:

1.) Link
2.) Cloud
3.) Seph
4.) Samus
5.) Crono
6.) Mario
7.) Mega Man
8.) Sonic
9.) Snake
10.) Zero
11.) Ganon
12.) Magus
13.) Bowser
14.) Tifa
15.) Aeris
16.) Squall
17.) Auron
18.) Tidus
19.) Ryu
20.) Master Chief

I'm really not sure where to put MC.
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From: swirldude | Posted: 7/11/2005 6:04:15 PM | Message Detail
I'm really not sure where to put MC.

Above Aeris would help <.<
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Clinkeroth: CLINKEROTH!
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From: BeTheMan | Posted: 7/11/2005 6:10:55 PM | Message Detail
Top 20 as of today:

1. Link
2. Cloud
3. Sephiroth
4. Samus
5. Crono
6. Mario
7. Mega Man
8. Sonic
9. Auron
10. Zero
11. Squall
T-12. Aeris/Tifa
14. Bowser
15. Ganondorf
16. Magus
17. Vivi
18. Solid Snake
19. Ryu
20. Dante

There's a slew of characters that fall in the area below Ryu...I give Dante the benefit of the doubt because of DMC3.

Definitely an odd looking list. I don't know why I'd take Bowser over Ganondorf...it just wouldn't feel right otherwise, somehow. As far as Solid Snake rating that low...I've gotta stay true to my bracket. :-P For what it's worth, there's not much separating everyone from Auron through Solid Snake.
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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO...Pac-Man?
From: transience | Posted: 7/11/2005 6:16:09 PM | Message Detail
but MC isn't above Aeris.

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From: NewLib | Posted: 7/11/2005 6:37:56 PM | Message Detail
Let me ge this straight. You dont think MC can beat Vivi or DANTE??
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia
From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 7/11/2005 7:00:48 PM | Message Detail
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From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 7/11/2005 7:02:08 PM | Message Detail
1. Link
2. Cloud
3. Samus
4. Sephiroth
5. Crono
6. Mario
7. Mega Man
8. Sonic
9. Ganon
10. Magus
11. Zero
12. Solid Snake
13. Bowser
14. Aeris
15. Zelda
16. Master Chief
17. Auron
18. Squall
19. Ryu
20. Tidus

There we go. Solid Stats that I quite like, with the rightful placement of Samus above Sephiroth. Auron and Aeris might be a bit high, but other than that I'm pretty sure it would be like this.
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 7/11/2005 7:09:31 PM | Message Detail
You know how it's generally assumed that SEGA is the master of the day vote? If you really look into that, it's really just Master Hand.

NOW it's fixed for good.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Knuckles
Serious Reminder: Vote for Tifa Lockheart, too
From: BeTheMan | Posted: 7/11/2005 7:10:06 PM | Message Detail
I have MC behind Vivi because I don't think MC would top 55% on Donkey Kong. As far as Dante goes...I give him the edge simply because there's no telling how strong MC really was last year (curse you, Frog), and Dante had an edge on MC in the 2k3 rankings. I think it would be a very good match, though.
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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO...Pac-Man?
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/11/2005 7:11:38 PM | Message Detail
Somehow I doubt Knux would lose the day vote to either Master.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 7/11/2005 7:33:39 PM | Message Detail
Likewise, I have a hard time imagining Master Hand losing the day-vote to anybody not from Nintendo...despite ultimately losing in most any match he's in. I could see MC and Knuckles almost cancel each other out with their day-votes though.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Knuckles
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/11/2005 7:34:36 PM | Message Detail
Master Hand faced two bottom feeders. You really think he could take the day vote from somebody like Knuckles?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 7/11/2005 7:38:14 PM | Message Detail
It may have been bottom-feeders, but he still absolutely raped the vote and made huge swings. I don't think MH would storm away with the day-vote against Knuckles though...but I do think he'd end up making the percentage a lil' closer than before the day vote (not much, mind you)...enough to win, not enough to matter.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Knuckles
Serious Reminder: Vote for Tifa Lockheart, too
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/11/2005 7:39:16 PM | Message Detail
Yeah, Sin raped Robotnik with the day vote, too. Honestly, don't be too impressed with what someone does against fodder.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno
From: NewLib | Posted: 7/11/2005 7:42:09 PM | Message Detail
Dante has the edge in 2k3 where he took a drop in 2k4 and MC got a huge new game. Thinking Dante could beat MC this year is simply ludicrous.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia
From: BeTheMan | Posted: 7/11/2005 7:43:37 PM | Message Detail
*shrug* Don't ignore Devil May Cry 3.
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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO...Pac-Man?
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 7/11/2005 7:44:55 PM | Message Detail
Touche about Sin, though that only had Sin close in maybe 1,000 votes, I think (as opposed to MH's 6,000-vote turn-around, never before seen)? Thinkin' on it more though, I guess I can see Knuckles taking the day vote afterall...I think it's been said he hasn't lost the day-vote yet, afterall, though I don't think any of his opponents have been all that strong in the day-vote (Solid, maybe? Don't remember his trends).
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Knuckles
Serious Reminder: Vote for Tifa Lockheart, too
From: Tediz247 | Posted: 7/11/2005 7:45:07 PM | Message Detail
The same Devil May Cry 3 that's been outsold by games like Tales of Symphonia? As opposed to a game that's sold well over 5 million.
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From: Eggplant Lord | Posted: 7/11/2005 7:45:52 PM | Message Detail
I never took the time to think about it, but what percentage is Geno expected to get? Could be avoid a tripling? Wouldn't be awesome if he could prevent a doubling?

</random fantasies>

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*Has KOS-MOS > Luigi*
From: meche313 | Posted: 7/11/2005 7:45:57 PM | Message Detail
1. Link
2. Cloud
3. Samus
4. Sephiroth
5. Crono
6. Mario
7. Mega Man
8. Sonic
9. Ganon
10. Magus
11. Zero
12. Bowser
13. Solid Snake
14. Aeris
15. Zelda
16. Auron
17. Master Chief
18. Squall
19. Tidus
20. Vincent

That's my list. I think Master Cheif can be even lower...but meh.
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That's right. Cloud N. Candy would get a NEGATIVE percentage, and RPGuy's extrapolated calculator would crash. - therealmnm
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/11/2005 7:46:54 PM | Message Detail
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 7/11/2005 7:47:54 PM | Message Detail
I'm not gonna make my own version of that list...but I think MC and Vincent would be a killer match, thus should be side-by-side in everyone's list. =P
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Knuckles
Serious Reminder: Vote for Tifa Lockheart, too
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 7/11/2005 7:49:25 PM | Message Detail
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/11/2005 7:50:13 PM | Message Detail
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From: Ballpoint Pencil | Posted: 7/11/2005 7:52:29 PM | Message Detail
Mo' like Sir Cronowned.
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There's fear and darkness all around you.
The criminals are on the run.
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 7/11/2005 7:54:26 PM | Message Detail
Since I'm such a great guy.....
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Knuckles
Serious Reminder: Vote for Tifa Lockheart, too
From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 7/11/2005 7:55:11 PM | Message Detail
I can't possibly see Geno getting tripled and fully expect him to avoid a doubling.
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 7/11/2005 7:57:27 PM | Message Detail
I think Geno's gonna end up barely gettin' doubled, myself.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Knuckles
Serious Reminder: Vote for Tifa Lockheart, too
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/11/2005 7:58:07 PM | Message Detail
So you think Geno's midtier? I know Mario RPG did well in the Spring Contest and all, but I'm not expecting that much from Geno himself.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/11/2005 7:59:38 PM | Message Detail
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/11/2005 8:00:12 PM | Message Detail
Oops, posted that in the wrong topic. Man, I'm just off tonight.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno
From: BeTheMan | Posted: 7/11/2005 8:05:07 PM | Message Detail
The same Devil May Cry 3 that's been outsold by games like Tales of Symphonia? As opposed to a game that's sold well over 5 million.

Game sales don't mean much in the grand scheme of things. Vice City and San Andreas are both well over the 10 million unit mark, yet I don't hear anyone touting Vercetti or CJ as a top twenty character. I'm not saying that Halo 2 won't have a good impact for MC, but DMC3 was a highly acclaimed title itself, so it'd be silly to write it off.
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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO...Pac-Man?
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/11/2005 8:05:59 PM | Message Detail
Sales matter up to a certain point. Ask Viewtiful Joe.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 7/11/2005 8:09:37 PM | Message Detail
If Geno got 33% on Squall, that'd have him barely losing to Viewtiful Joe, something I deem as very credible. I at least expect Geno to be as strong as HK-47, who'd get 31.41% on Squall.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Knuckles
Serious Reminder: Vote for Tifa Lockheart, too
From: Ballpoint Pencil | Posted: 7/11/2005 8:10:33 PM | Message Detail
VJ wouldn't do well with high sales anyway. Not on GameFAQs.
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There's fear and darkness all around you.
The criminals are on the run.
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/11/2005 8:11:30 PM | Message Detail
I think that puts Geno a little too close to Kefka for my tastes. I feel that Super Mario RPG definitely benefitted from its title in the Spring Contest, something Geno won't get.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno
From: transience | Posted: 7/11/2005 8:14:59 PM | Message Detail
I expected Geno to be among the weakest characters in the contest. I'd expect at least 80% from Squall.
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From: Dranze | Posted: 7/11/2005 8:16:11 PM | Message Detail
Think he could suffer a bit of SFF?
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Shut up, make me a sandwich. That is all.
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/11/2005 8:19:25 PM | Message Detail
I think SFF will be minimal. Whatever we see from Geno won't be too far from his true strength, methinks.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno
From: Tequilla Gundam | Posted: 7/11/2005 8:24:19 PM | Message Detail
1.) Link
2.) Cloud
3.) Seph
4.) Samus
5.) Crono
6.) Mario
7.) Mega Man
8.) Snake
9.) Sonic
10.) Magus
11.) Ganon
12.) Zero
13.) Bowser
14.) Ryu
15.) Squall
16.) Auron
17.) Tifa
18.) Tidus
19.) Aeris
20.) Master Chief

100% Fact _-
-Leet List
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May 05 NPD Sales - PSP - 250k. DS - 57k.
PSP trumps DS by 4.38x in sales for the month of May.
From: therealmnm | Posted: 7/11/2005 8:29:40 PM | Message Detail
I don't think Geno would suffer from SFF. Most of his fans would probably vote him over anyone. Plus the fact that he would probably have more of a Nintendo fanbase than a Square fanbase. Even though Square MADE the game, it still was essentially a Nintendo game. It's kinda like saying the Minish Cap would bring Link a bunch of Capcom fans (although definitely not to that degree as MANY more people know that Square produced Super Mario RPG....)
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."
From: therealmnm | Posted: 7/11/2005 8:32:53 PM | Message Detail
Damn... I meant Square DEVELOPED Super Mario RPG.
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."
From: NewLib | Posted: 7/11/2005 8:36:29 PM | Message Detail
Halo 2 was highly acclaimed too, whats your point? The fact is that a few months after the fact and the only thing I hear about DMC 3 is that its really hard. Not thats its a good game or anything about the quality, just hard. Its not even seen as a contender for GOTY especially when games like Jade Empire, Forza/GT4, and Resident Evil 4 are all out. It hasnt sold ONE THIRD of DMC 2. One third of a hated game! MC is in the second best selling game last year, an already strong character, and has no where to go but up. Plus, I cant be the only one who has noticed the Microsoft hate slowly erodding away, a lot of it being replaced by Sony hate. Sony hasnt made too many friends with all the stuff its pulled in the last few months.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia
From: Ballpoint Pencil | Posted: 7/11/2005 8:38:40 PM | Message Detail
Jade Empire, Forza/GT4

Well there goes that argument.
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There's fear and darkness all around you.
The criminals are on the run.
From: Tequilla Gundam | Posted: 7/11/2005 8:40:55 PM | Message Detail
Snake vs Sonic would be EXTREMELY close theoretically..

Using Ryu as a direct medium for Snake vs Sonic[More accurate than X-Stats when you have a direct person to compare them to]

Sonic vs Ryu 2k4 : Sonic - 55.54
Snake vs Ryu 2k3 : Snake - 57.26

Stats say Snake would win with around 52% of the vote, but Snake has obviously dropped off between 2003-2004 but I believe MGS3 would renew Snake's 2k3 strength..In fact, I would believe that 2k5 Snake will be more powerful than 2k3 and possibly 2k2 Snake.

Anyway, in a direct Snake on Sonic(eww) matchup, I would take Snake in an extremely close match, RE: Sonic/Samus 2k2.
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May 05 NPD Sales - PSP - 250k. DS - 57k.
PSP trumps DS by 4.38x in sales for the month of May.
From: NewLib | Posted: 7/11/2005 8:41:52 PM | Message Detail
I forgot God of War as well. Really I dont agree with GT4/Forza or Jade Empire (and I love Bioware) but all three of those games have recieved more GOTY talk than DMC 3. Resident Evil 4 deserves it at this point, but will probably be eclipsed by THAT game.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia
From: NewLib | Posted: 7/11/2005 8:44:23 PM | Message Detail
From: Tequilla Gundam
In fact, I would believe that 2k5 Snake will be more powerful than 2k3 and possibly 2k2 Snake.

You are completely delusional then. Snake not going to get that kind of boost from a game he wasnt in.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia
From: therealmnm | Posted: 7/11/2005 8:47:49 PM | Message Detail
You are completely delusional then. Snake not going to get that kind of boost from a game he wasnt in.

Snake can still get a potential boost from the game. Metal Gear Solid 3 could have potentially brought more Metal Gear Solid/Snake fans to the site.

It's not like Naked Snake and Solid Snake are THAT different anyways. But I actually don't know, since I haven't played the game yet.

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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."
From: Tequilla Gundam | Posted: 7/11/2005 8:50:17 PM | Message Detail
NewLib..

If KH can give Sephy/Cloud/Squall a boost..

Then MGS3 can give Snake a boost...
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May 05 NPD Sales - PSP - 250k. DS - 57k.
PSP trumps DS by 4.38x in sales for the month of May.
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