DP, just e-mail the bracket to me.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

You took my comment out of context. You literally don't NEED the X-stats to see that Liquid did worse in the spring contest than in the summer contest. You can just see that Liquid barely lost to Frog who was pretty close to Snake to see that Liquid was about as popular as Solid Snake by comparison. And you wouldn't expect that Sephiroth would beat Solid Snake like he did Liquid, so it was obvious that Liquid Snake did worse in the spring contest. I know this is essentially what the X-stats are, but I was just responding to something that you said earlier.

If you want to talk about bracket-support hurting someone in the X-stats, you have to go all the way down the line, and more often than not, you'll fail completely.

I had never even MENTIONED the X-stats in any of my posts regarding bracket votes. The only hard stats that I mentioned were with Ken Masters. And I took that data from direct matchups. Plus the people he faced have also had TWO direct matchups. Those are the only contest numbers I really used outside of bracket numbers.

And I'm still wondering what point you are trying to bring up with Magus. Like I said, he didn't even HAVE the bracket support so it doesn't matter how well he does. But anyways, this discussion is pointless if you're going to keep taking my points in another direction....
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

And I'm still wondering what point you are trying to bring up with Magus. Like I said, he didn't even HAVE the bracket support so it doesn't matter how well he does. But anyways, this discussion is pointless if you're going to keep taking my points in another direction....

My point was that Link underperformed badly in that match despite having overwhelming bracket-support.

As for the XS...if you want to speak of more than just the one character, you have to use them. And if you're just going to speak of one character, you're not proving anything.

As for the XS...if you want to speak of more than just the one character, you have to use them. And if you're just going to speak of one character, you're not proving anything.

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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

You know how it's generally assumed that SEGA is the master of the day vote? If you really look into that, it's really just Knuckles.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Fear the Echidna. Or however the hell you spell it.

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
Sp2k5 - 77/80 (stupid Master Hand)

OK Ulti....should I send it to the public address you have listed, or is there a different address you want me to send it to?

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So I put two and two together there and, uhh....decided that you're pissin' me off. -Carl
*DpObliVion* SC2K5 Printable Bracket in profile

You know how it's generally assumed that SEGA is the master of the day vote? If you really look into that, it's really just Knuckles.

Didn't Tails creep up on Dante through-out the day? I also thought Sonic generally owned fodder as far as the day-vote goes, too; not really anybody else so much, though.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Knuckles
Serious Reminder: Vote for Tifa Lockheart, too

The g-mail addres is pretty much the only one I use.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Shadow absolutely creamed Wario and Mario with the day vote, too.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

Knuckles is the only one who has owned the day vote every time. He turned close matches with Kefka and Yuna into runaway victories. He's gained on Snake every time with the day vote, too.

Sonic lost it to Cloud and did nothing with it against Samus the 2nd time. Tails hasn't really been all that powerful with it. Shadow did nothing with it against Tidus. Robotnik bombed about as badly as we've seen anybody do with the day vote every time.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

He shouldn't have much problem winning it against Magus either, since anything Chrono Trigger sucks with the day vote.
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That... was her final mission. And like a true soldier, she saw it through the end.
ZSB [aX]

Those IGN polls were bringing in about 15,000 votes per match in the first round, according to that link. Of course, the whole "Kain beating KOS-MOS with 62% of the vote" thing makes their results seem a tad useless as far as GameFAQs goes.
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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO...Pac-Man?

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Who do you think would win in a Kirby/Sora match?

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A E I OWN U

You know how it's generally assumed that SEGA is the master of the day vote? If you really look into that, it's really just Microsoft.

There we go.
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

tag
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Spring Contest 2k5 Score: 76/80 T-117th

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Spring Contest 2k5 Score: 76/80 T-117th

Sora wins Kirby/Sora.
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Revenge is a dish best served cold. ~Old Klingon Proverb

There doesn't seem to be anything to discuss right now, so I will tell you which characters I think is the 20th strongest ever. They may however not be in the right order.

1st: Cloud
2nd: Link
3rd: Sephiroth
4th: Samus
5th: Crono
6th: Mario
7th: Megaman
8th: Sonic
9th: Solid Snake
10th: Magus
11th: Ganondorf
12th: Zero
13th: Bowser
14th: Aeris
15th: Squall
16th: Ryu
17th: Auron
18th: Tifa
19th: Masterchief
20th: Alucard

Discuss
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My biggest predictions: Mario over Samus, Alucard over Sora, Magus over Dante.

You've gotta put faith into Dante now after that contest... did you see him maim Tommy Vercetti? His X-Stat value is 42.85 assuming a constant Vercetti. Heheh. Yeah, I know it's pointless, but it's still pretty cool to say that.

And I'd take Kirby over Sora. You've just gotta go with your gut on a close match like that. My gut says go with the more mainstream character.
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Raiden fact of the contest: Alucard is a plagiarist, this year Raiden will prove it!

Oh, and as for that list, the only one that sticks out like a sore thumb is Alucard on the bottom. I'd take Dante and/or an assortment of FF characters over him. Not that Alucard's a slouch, and it's possible that he could be #20, but he's definitely the most debatable on that list.
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Raiden fact of the contest: Alucard is a plagiarist, this year Raiden will prove it!

Guys, can anyone calculate a projected score based on the x-rankings? I need to know what the score between Aeris and Vyse in sc2k3 would be.
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Your Favorite Character >>>>> General Greivous
*IS Maplejet

Vyse gets 29.03%. Someone can check me on that but I'm 99% I did that right.
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Raiden fact of the contest: Alucard is a plagiarist, this year Raiden will prove it!

As far as that list goes... I'd take Zero over Ganondorf and possibly even Magus.
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Festivus

I'd put Auron over Squall.

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A E I OWN U

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1st: Link
2nd: Cloud Strife
3rd: Sephiroth
4th: Samus Aran
5th: Mario
6th: Crono
7th: Mega Man
8th: Sonic the Hedgehog
9th: Zero
10th: Solid Snake
11th: Ganondorf
12th: Magus
13th: Auron
14th: Vincent Valentine
15th: Bowser
16th: Tifa Lockheart
17th: Ryu (Street Fighter)
18th: Squall Leonhart
19th: Dante
20th: Master Chief

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A E I OWN U

You guys are WAY underrating Master Chief.
1. Cloud
2. Link
3. Sephiroth
4. Samus Aran
5. Crono
6. Mario
7. Mega Man
8. Sonic the Hedgehog
9. Magus
10. Gannondorf
11. Zero
12. Tifa
13. Master Cheif
14. Vincent
15. Auron
16. Bowser
17. Solid Snake
18. Ryu
19. Squall
20. Zelda
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

You're way overrating Master Chief and Zelda, and underrating Snake and Auron.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Maybe with Zelda, I just kind of entered a name with 20. After the top 19 there is a quite a drop. I have Gannondorf > Auron and since I have Ganon basically = Zero = Tifa and I dont have MC or Vincent less than half a percent below Tifa, you can see how Auron will fall. Also how can you take Snake over anyone of those characters besides Vincent/Tifa or Bowser?
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

1. Link
2. Cloud
3. Sephiroth
4. Samus
5. Crono
6. Mario
7. Sonic
8. Mega Man
9. Magus
10. Ganondorf
11. Zero
12. Auron
13. Solid Snake
14. Bowser
15. Vincent
16. Master Chief
17. Tifa
18. Ryu
19. Squall
20. Tidus
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The King of all Cosmos' route to summer victory:
Round 1: (4) Tidus... LET ME DREAM :

Also how can you take Snake over anyone of those characters besides Vincent/Tifa or Bowser?

Let's see...How 'bout the fact that the only characters on that list you have above him that have actually outperformed him in a contest are the rest of the Noble Nine, Magus, Ganondorf, and Zero?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Auron has been SFFd the entire way and if he is close to Ganondorf he beats Snake.

Master Cheif barely lost to Frog who put up a fight against Snake, pre Halo 2. I do think MC and the gang were overrated, but I believe the biggest game of 2004 can overcome that. I also believe there is a good reason to think Bowser can beat Snake.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Ganondorf > Magus = Auron

Yes, I believe Ganon would win in a rematch.

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A E I OWN U

MC barely lost to Frog, frog barely beat Liquid Snake, Liquid Snake bombed badly.
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"[Zelos] clearly should be writing in his book of dark poetry and slitting his wrists with a cruxis crystal - meisnewbie

but I believe the biggest game of 2004 can overcome that

Master Chief wasn't in GTA: San Andreas.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

I guess we just have to wait and see how DK does against the Chief.
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Chun-Li > Bowser book it - lol_internet
Vote for Kirby in SC2K5!

Yes he is, you just forget to enter the right cheat code.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

I'd say the top 20 (of characters that have been in contests so far) are:

1. Link
2. Cloud
3. Sephiroth
4. Samus
5. Crono
6. Mega Man
7. Mario
8. Sonic
9. Aeris
10. Bowser
11. Solid Snake
12. Ganondorf
13. Zero
14. Ryu
15. Auron
16. Tidus
17. Master Chief
18. Shadow
19. Squall
20. Dante

And yes, I realize Magus isn't on there, and yes I would take Ganondorf in a rematch against him. These rankings are from my stats, which I explained and gave several topics ago. If you wish, I can explain more.
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For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to refer to Gordon Freeman versus Tanner as Schrodinger's Match. -Phoenix Flattener

*tag*

1) Link
2) Cloud Strife
3) Sephiroth
4) Samus Aran
5) Crono
6) Mega Man (overall, he was stronger)
6) Mario (he's the stronger of the duo now)
8) Sonic the Hedgehog
9) Solid Snake
10) Zero
11) Magus
12) Ganondorf
13) Auron
14) Ryu
15) Bowser
16) Tidus
17) Master Chief
18) Squall
19) Frog
20) Dante
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SC2K5 Elite Eight: Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot

... and I missed Aeris. **** it.
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SC2K5 Elite Eight: Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot

I like it that Aprosenf's rankings give Aeris the respect she deserves, but Bowser above Ganon seems pretty strange. I can only assume that you're taking their SFF matches into account, which seems wrong.

Also, I for one would NOT pick Ganon in a rematch against Magus. The only arguments against Magus are Sam Fisher and Luca Blight. Fisher can easily be dismissed due to bracket votes - I might take his drop against Samus more seriously if Samus hadn't also completely annihilated Lara. Luca can be explained by Kefka's angel pic. Plus the fact is, when you're measuring strength it's the matches against strong characters that are far more relevant than the ones against fodder.

As I see it, the three important pieces of information regarding Magus are (1) He beat Ganon, whose strength was recently verified in the Spring Contest, (2) He put up great numbers against Link, and (3) Crono has increased nearly as much as Link has. Magus vs. Ganon rematch, I take Magus again.
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SpC2K5 First Vote Champion
Congrats to yoblazer, the Guru contest winner!

Luca can be explained by Kefka's angel pic.

If you believe in such things. Regardless, we should get some answers since Wesker's in the contest.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Fisher can easily be dismissed due to bracket votes

Does no one realize that Magus was the decisive favorite in this match?

*extremely irritated by the repeated abuse of this*
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SC2K5 Elite Eight: Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot

Magus was the decisive favorite indeed, despite being the 13 seed. Sam might have benefitted from being the 4 seed, but not as much as his drop in 2004 would indicate.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

man, this contest needs to start. I'm finding myself changing picks I've been confident in for like two weeks thanks to overanalyzing.

also, I picked Cloud in 2002 and Link won; I picked Link in 2003 and Cloud won; I picked Cloud in 2004 and Link won. I'm trying to keep this streak going, so hopefully Cloud > Link.
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Well, who do you have winning the main bracket?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

I have Samus right now, but I had Crono as of yesterday. my bracket is a mess.

I was thinking more specifically about Link v. Cloud, though.
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