Ack, shouldn't have refreshed the page. So what happens after that thing about the Patriots?
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

With each day that passes, I grow much less confident in two matches: Auron vs Ganondorf Dragmire, and Tifa Lockheart vs Luigi Mario. Seriously, I realize that both of these picks are most likely wrong, but I have had uncanny faith in both of the winners since the bracket debuted.

Keep that faith in Auron, because he'll be taking out the King of Evil. Spring be damned, there's a vast underestimation going around of Auron for some reason that is beyond my comprehension. It'll be close, but sticking with Auron is the right path.

Now, you had better change to Tifa. Luigi stands absolutely no chance of winning that match. He'll barely get by KOS-MOS, who Tifa would beat with ease. I really never understood the logic behind taking Luigi in that match, because you would be saying that Tifa is so much farther than Aeris. That doesn't make an ounce of sense. Besides, we like to leave MasterMage all alone with crazy picks that stand no chance of happening.

One match I am perfectly content in, however, is Dante Sparda vs Vincent Valentine. I feel that a lot of people are in for a rude awakening in that match.

I'm all worn out on discussing Vincent. Feel free to do whatever you please.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

1) Metal Gear (Solid)
2t) Final Fantasy
2t) (Super) Mario

~*The Metal Gear Master*~
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The Author of Metal Gear Solid: Dawn of the Concealed
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I'm leaning towards Metroid, The Legend Of Zelda, and Metal Gear, myself.

The only one out of that bunch I could agree with is Zelda.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

2t) Final Fantasy

Good man.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

Ganon and Tifa

Together, they'll make beautiful babies.

Hmm...could Dante/Vincent possibly have been an intentional set-up?
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SC2K5: Samus is going all the way!

Well, I happen to believe that Tifa Lockheart is far weaker than Aeris Gainsborough, myself, but both are much stronger than Vincent Valentine.

Team Rocket Elite, do you have AIM? I can easily just send you the entire synopsis over it. If you do not have AIM, I could send it to your email.

~*The Metal Gear Master*~
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The Author of Metal Gear Solid: Dawn of the Concealed
The CAC5 Website ~~~ www.freewebs.com/createacharacter

Well, I happen to believe that Tifa Lockheart is far weaker than Aeris Gainsborough, myself, but both are much stronger than Vincent Valentine.

I have no idea why one would expect them all to be so far apart. That just doesn't make any sense to me. I can understand thinking Vincent is the weakest, but he should be very close to Aeris regardless. Ditto for Tifa.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

He'll barely get by KOS-MOS

Nah.
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The King of all Cosmos' route to summer victory:
Round 1: (4) Tidus... LET ME DREAM :

Oh, on the subject of discussing games, Symphony of the Night kicks complete ass.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

You know what is scary, though? I think we have Squall Leonhart in the exact same position on our favorite characters lists.

~*The Metal Gear Master*~
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The Author of Metal Gear Solid: Dawn of the Concealed
The CAC5 Website ~~~ www.freewebs.com/createacharacter

Mega Man, DKC, Mario. I'm a sucker for platformers.
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You know what is scary, though? I think we have Squall Leonhart in the exact same position on our favorite characters lists.

Where, 10th? If so, we do indeed have him in the same spot.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

Keep that faith in Auron, because he'll be taking out the King of Evil. Spring be damned, there's a vast underestimation going around of Auron for some reason that is beyond my comprehension. It'll be close, but sticking with Auron is the right path.

The Summer 2003, Summer 2004(assuming static Alucard) and Spring 2005 contest all have Ganondorf falling in about the same place. Ganondorf should be somewhere around his 35% on 2k3 Link ranking. Auron needs to rely on a significant SFF adjustment just to get in range of Ganondorf, I see no problem with picking Ganondorf to be the huge favorite for the match.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

The Summer 2003, Summer 2004(assuming static Alucard) and Spring 2005 contest all have Ganondorf falling in about the same place.

Not really. I think Ganon has gone up by the same proportion as Link.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

I see no reason to believe that Auron didn't suffer enough SFF to contend with Ganon and be in a position to have more people going after him in this match. It would require around 5%, based on 2003 Link, for him to reach Ganon's level. He obviously doesn't need all of that in order to beat him by stats. He can be underneath Ganon and still win, but it does require him suffering a good amount of SFF. But I definitely see him doing such. In either scenario, whether based on Tails or Scorpion, he still gives Ganon a good fight by the stats. I do believe he's ahead when you measure him through the latter.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

Yes, I do believe he falls in the same position. In terms of Auron vs Ganondorf Dragmire, I have always believed that Auron was extremely underrated in the statistics.

Hell, Team Rocket Elite, I will use your own logic. You just stated that the extrapolated statistics all have Ganondorf Dragmire ranking in about the same position acorss the aforementioned contests, correct? Well, in one of the contests you mentioned, Tidus nearly defeated Ganondorf Dragmire. According to you, the King of Evil apparently stayed fairly constant, so believing he underwent a statistical increase between contests has already been ruled out.

I happen to believe Auron is stronger than Tidus.

That should make more sense out of the pick, now.

~*The Metal Gear Master*~
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The Author of Metal Gear Solid: Dawn of the Concealed
The CAC5 Website ~~~ www.freewebs.com/createacharacter

Metroid is the only game series that comes to mind that has over three games where every game is a great game. Mega Man has several mediocre games and a few bad ones. Grand Theft Auto has Vice City - as a big GTA fan, let me inform you all that it is a piece of garbage - , Metal Gear has Ac!d and SNake's Revenge (though SR doesn't really count...), etc.

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

Yeah, you see, Ulti's logic makes a lot more sense out of his pick, since he believes Ganondorf Dragmire statistically increased over the recent contests.

~*The Metal Gear Master*~
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The Author of Metal Gear Solid: Dawn of the Concealed
The CAC5 Website ~~~ www.freewebs.com/createacharacter

Lucid Faia, in terms of Metal Gear, you have to think in terms of the canon games. Metal Gear 2: Snake's Revenge, Metal Gear AC!D, Metal Gear Solid: Ghost Babel, and Metal Gear Solid: VR Missions are not canon. There are only five canon games in the series, and they are all phenomenal, especially considering the actual library at the time of the original Metal Gear title.

By God, the truck have started to move.

~*The Metal Gear Master*~
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The Author of Metal Gear Solid: Dawn of the Concealed
The CAC5 Website ~~~ www.freewebs.com/createacharacter

Plus, if you are including games that are not canon, none of the series really apply. Maybe I am misinformed, but was there not a new Metroid title announced at E3 that involved ... pinball?

~*The Metal Gear Master*~
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The Author of Metal Gear Solid: Dawn of the Concealed
The CAC5 Website ~~~ www.freewebs.com/createacharacter

Metroid Prime Pinball will be the greatest pinball game EVER.

>_>

Okay, you make a good point. My thoughts on Mega Man and GTA still stand, though.

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

I prefer looking at everything that the series did good as opposed to bad. For example, Final Fantasy has some bad titles mixed in there. However, all of the things it has that are great far out do anything concerning Metroid. So while it may have more titles that are bad, it also has more titles that are good than the best Metroid has to offer.

I don't merely compare how many bad games are in the series, especially when a number of franchises are so large in their library.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

Okay, I just finished reading Ultimaterializer's top games topic. I take back what I said. We have the EXACT same taste in games, outside of MMORPGs and Strategy games. I guess it's the age similarity. But yeah, any top games list including Crystalis is an instant win.
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

You just stated that the extrapolated statistics all have Ganondorf Dragmire ranking in about the same position acorss the aforementioned contests, correct?

Ganon's 2004 is nothing more than his 2003 value plugged into the stats, and last I checked, Spring 2005 shows an increase.

Using a really old close match to decide a current match is a bad, bad idea. Ask 2003 Mario, who was totally annihilated by Sephiroth despite being a so-called obvious choice going in.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

I really need to play Crystalis. It sounds like a phenomenal game. Oh, and I might have given the wrong impression about my feelings on Xenogears. Actually, Xenogears is one of my favorite game, probably in my top twenty or twenty-five ... but, I can get a bit, what is the word ... "defensive" when it comes to Metal Gear.

~*The Metal Gear Master*~
---<3---
The Author of Metal Gear Solid: Dawn of the Concealed
The CAC5 Website ~~~ www.freewebs.com/createacharacter

Am I the only one who doesn't think of all the Final Fantasy games as a series?

I consider a series something that has the same characters in it... which most of the Final Fantasy games do not do. Thus, I consider them all to be their own games. That's just me though. =\

Not really. I think Ganon has gone up by the same proportion as Link.

Stayed equal or increased. Either one is good enough to deal with Auron.

Hell, Team Rocket Elite, I will use your own logic. You just stated that the extrapolated statistics all have Ganondorf Dragmire ranking in about the same position acorss the aforementioned contests, correct? Well, in one of the contests you mentioned, Tidus nearly defeated Ganondorf Dragmire. According to you, the King of Evil apparently stayed fairly constant, so believing he underwent a statistical increase between contests has already been ruled out.

I happen to believe Auron is stronger than Tidus.

If your assumption that Auron is stronger than Tidus is true, than Auron will beat Ganondorf. However, I disagree with that assumption and still consider Ganondorf to favorite to win the match.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

Oh, I know. I was simply responding to Team Rocket Elite's logic, in that Ganondorf Dragmire remained constant. In my own personal belief, he has increased, but I also feel that Auron has increased, and was stronger than most suspect to begin with.

Tidus vs Ganondorf Dragmire does play a role in my decision, but the ultimate deciding factor was the uncanny faith I have always placed in Auron. It is not just Ganondorf, either. I would take Auron over Zero, as well.

Perhaps it is blind faith. But, Hell, I am already half way there, pun intended, so why not aim for full circle?

~*The Metal Gear Master*~
---<3---
The Author of Metal Gear Solid: Dawn of the Concealed
The CAC5 Website ~~~ www.freewebs.com/createacharacter

Auron is stronger than Tidus, but 2003 Tidus is horribly overrated. Whenever there is a really close fourpack, the two entrants that lose in the first round tend to be far weaker than the stats would indicate.

For example, I'm willing to bet that Halo and Soul Calibur aren't nearly as strong as everyone will think come the next game contest (if there ever is one). Liquid Snake is another good example, and would you really assume that Bub could give Terry Bogard a good match?

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

I would not be in a position to judge a match between Bub and Terry Bogard. I honestly have not the slightest clue who Terry Bogard is, and the only definition I have for a "bub" is a means of reference to an inferior person.

Make sense, bub?

~*The Metal Gear Master*~
---<3---
The Author of Metal Gear Solid: Dawn of the Concealed
The CAC5 Website ~~~ www.freewebs.com/createacharacter

Whenever there is a really close fourpack, the two entrants that lose in the first round tend to be far weaker than the stats would indicate.

Except that logic doesn't make sense. Lets say there is a anomaly in a close match. If you correct for it, the characters become further apart. If it was a significantly large anomaly, the characters are no longer close. If the characters are no longer close, the match not be close and the anomaly should never come into play.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

Crystalis is an amazing game. Best adventure game on the NES, if you ask me.

I prefer looking at everything that the series did good as opposed to bad. For example, Final Fantasy has some bad titles mixed in there. However, all of the things it has that are great far out do anything concerning Metroid. So while it may have more titles that are bad, it also has more titles that are good than the best Metroid has to offer.

I don't merely compare how many bad games are in the series, especially when a number of franchises are so large in their library.

That's why it's called a "series," because you're including every game, both the good and the bad. Metroid's Hit-or-Miss ratio is All to None, which is what makes it so great of a series. And to me, the best of FF and the best of Metroid (FF3/6j, Echoes) are equally great.

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

That's why it's called a "series," because you're including every game, both the good and the bad. Metroid's Hit-or-Miss ratio is All to None, which is what makes it so great of a series. And to me, the best of FF and the best of Metroid (FF3/6j, Echoes) are equally great.

That's fine. I understand that Metroid is a great series, it's one of my personal favorites. However, while Metroid's worst may be better than Final Fantasy's worst, I believe that Final Fantasy's best is better than Metroid's best. I do agree that Echoes is the best Metroid game, but there are so many great Final Fantasy games while Metroid has many that are good. It's not something that makes much sense when you go about describing it unless you bring out comparisons between the different games within the franchise of each.

Let's just say that because Metroid's worst games are better than something like Final Fantasy's worst games isn't necessarily making it a better series, or at least in my eyes. You also have to bring in the amount of great each brings to the table, which I am sure we can both agree with.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

For example, I'm willing to bet that Halo and Soul Calibur aren't nearly as strong as everyone will think come the next game contest (if there ever is one).

Well, those games have reasons to be weaker in another game contest. Kingdom Hearts, The Wind Waker, and even StarCraft would all be slightly weaker than what the game contest stats dictate. This is because the cheated votes in favor of StarCraft were never removed.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

Bowser would get 45.01% on Mario (thanks, Sp2k5!)
Sephiroth would get 40.27% on Cloud
M. Bison would get 35.49% on Ryu
Revolver Ocelot would get 35.37% on Solid Snake
Ramirez would get 35.21% on Vyse
Ganondorf would get 32.63% on Link
Vergil would get 32.15% on Dante
Liquid Snake would get 30.95% on Solid Snake
Ansem would get 30.67% on Sora
Andross would get 30.28% on Fox
Sin would get 29.7% on 2k4 Tidus
Wesker would get 29.62% on Jill
Albedo would get 29.57% on KOS-MOS
Dr. Wily would get 27.55% on Mega Man
Ridley would get 24.68% on Samus
Sin would get 23.58% on 2k3 Tidus*
Dr. Robotnik would get 22.5% on Sonic
Giygas would get 22.44% on Ness
Lavos would get 22.24% on Crono
Kuja would get 21.36% on Vivi
Sigma would get 21.15% on Zero (since there's no X...)
Mother Brain would get 18.96% on Samus
Officer Tenpenny would get 16.46% on Tommy Vercetti (close enough)

One thing that bugs me is that all but two of the heroes are male.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

would you really assume that Bub could give Terry Bogard a good match?

Assuming there's any justice in the world today.


Favorite series (I have 'em ranked, but they're all so close that the rankings barely matter and are likely interchangable):
1) Mario
2) Sonic
3) Mega Man
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Knuckles
Serious Reminder: Vote for Tifa Lockheart, too

One thing that bugs me is that all but two of the heroes are male.

Yes, and look how well Jill and KOS-MOS compare to their villains. That list lacks a Nemesis/Jill comparison, by the way.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Knuckles
Serious Reminder: Vote for Tifa Lockheart, too

Assuming a static Sephiroth, dividing the Spring 2005 Xst value into 42.4% and multiplying the result by 50 gives you a hypothetical Summer 2004 value, right?

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Favorite Series???

Didn't even take much thought.

1. Zelda
2. Final Fantasy
3. Mega Man/Mario

I can't decide. Mario games are better quality, but there are so many good Mega Man games that I like. It becomes even more difficult if we count spinoffs like Mega Man Legends and the Mario RPG series....

Zelda is my favorite series, no contest. And I haven't even played through Link's Awakening or the Oracle games.
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Zelda > Tidus

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A E I OWN U

Assuming a static Sephiroth, dividing the Spring 2005 Xst value into 42.4% and multiplying the result by 50 gives you a hypothetical Summer 2004 value, right?

Value / 42.4 * 50 = what you're looking for, methinks. I don't think a static Sephiroth is the best thing to assume though.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Knuckles
Serious Reminder: Vote for Tifa Lockheart, too

Assuming a static Sephiroth, dividing the Spring 2005 Xst value into 42.4% and multiplying the result by 50 gives you a hypothetical Summer 2004 value, right?

You got it backwards. You would divide by 50 and multiply by 42.4 to get the ranking against Link 2k4 based on a static Sephiroth.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

My bad then; it's late and I've been meanin' to go to bed for the past hour, heh. I think I'll take this oppertunity to...ya know, go to bed.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Knuckles
Serious Reminder: Vote for Tifa Lockheart, too

TRE, you never cease to amaze (see: correct) me.

Assuming a static Sephiroth, Kefka is actually projected to score around 44% on Dante.

As for Zelda... *snicker* <3

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

And people call me a stat fanboy. Jesus.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

I'd say Bogard beats Bub with ease. Bub isn't a well-known character while Terry is the star of KoF. Expect low-voter turnout though.
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Supporter of Magus, Mario, Mega Man, and Kerrigan for sc2k5
Your favorite character > Goku

my two favourites are Final Fantasy and Metroid. I like other rpgs more than FF, but FF's the only series with more than two games that are much good. Metroids are simply the best 2d platformers around.

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And 3D, too.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

I don't like 3d metroids, though I don't really like 3d platformers in general.

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