Well I know Aeris and Tifa > Vincent.

I'm just trying to see if there's anyway to justify a Luigi > Tifa upset.

Aeris is at 30%, while I believe Luigi is at the same strength as Yoshi for reasons I've said before which would put him at 25%.

Now if Aeris > Tifa, and Tifa was around the 27% marker, a Luigi over Tifa pick wouldn't be so clinically insane.

That said, I have Tifa > Luigi as of the moment.

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isn't it too early to say the order of strength of aeris/tifa/vincent? i mean two of them haven't even performed in a single match yet so we have no real hard facts that suggests an order. its like saying who's more popular between ayla,marle,lucca and robo
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There's no such thing as "sucking in battle" in Final Fantasy VII, the easiest RPG ever made.

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the easiest RPG ever made

Mystic Quest.

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Easier than Skies of Arcadia?

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^^^^

Note I'm not talking about Legends, because Piastol and some of the Bounty's actually take some strategy, and thought process.

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I'll give you that one. Okay, FF7 is the easiest RPG not named Mystic Quest.

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Mystic Quest was easy

...............except for the last boss, who somehow managed to beat the living SNOT out of me and Phoebe
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I think there should be another Game contest as well. CJayC's reasoning behind not having one is that since the contest was "Best. Game. Ever.", it was kind of a one time thing, and he would want to give time to let more games came out before he did another contest.

But there are already TOO many good games out to have a contest. And there are games that potentially could do well right now that probably wouldn't do as well in the future (say, Resident Evil 4). So I think he should just rename the contest "The Great GameFAQS Game Battle" and run it like a character battle with regular nominations, company caps, etc. The only catch would be that a different set of games should be used each year. We'd have a completely unpredictable contest every year as long as we have mixed brackets. We couldn't possibly predict how a current popular game would hold up against an older classic. Just my thoughts....
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...............except for the last boss, who somehow managed to beat the living SNOT out of me and Phoebe

Wasn't the last boss undead? I think I remember watching MegaPowerNinja beat the MQ final boss in under thirty seconds.

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If he was, I had no clue about it >_<

I just remember him having way too many HP and around three or so forms
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Anyone who thinks that Vincent is stronger than either of them is blinded by fanboyism and immune to reason (see: Heroic Mario). Vincent is a fan favorite who is there to look T3H BADAZZ and absolutely useless to the plot of the game. He also sucks in battle.

Ummm no. I personally don't like Vincent at all, and my reasoning is perfectly legit. I picked Vincent over Magus before I even HEARD Heroic Mario talking about it. I look at Vincent being a fan favorite AND take into consideration the overall popularity of FFVII. My main reason is comparison to Aeris. I don't think Aeris is anything special. The only real thing she has over Vincent is that she plays a bigger role in the story. That doesn't necessarily mean that she is liked more though.
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its like saying who's more popular between ayla,marle,lucca and robo

Robo > Marle > Lucca > Ayla, I'd say.

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Marle > Lucca > Robo = Ayla

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see no one can agree on marle,lucca,robo,ayla order of strength
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Yeah, I'd have put Ayla ahead of all of them

Dino Tail + ridiculous strength = godly
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Yeah, but this isn't about who's best in battle. And I forget who did it, but someone proved to me that Robo is stronger in battle than Ayla.

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wait a minute someone said that because vincent sucks in battle it gives him a disadvantage. but frog also sucks in battle yet he performs pretty well in these contests.
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"He also sucks in battle."

I swear to god, for as much as I love the RPGDL it can burn in hell. He's only bad in battle when you don't use freaking magic (like the DL). When they say game worst stats it'c beause most of them don't consider magic legal. If they did he'd at least be average. Oh, and do consider that raw stats have very little bearing on the fact that he can be put in back row at no penalty granting his poor health stats a vitual boost at no cost to his low (but extremely accurate) attack. Oh, and his limits are the coolest in the game.

"isn't it too early to say the order of strength of aeris/tifa/vincent?"

Yes, it is. Some people are so stubbornly opinionated that they think they're right without evidence and call anybody who thinks it's even possible they are wrong blind fanboys regardless of that affecting their opinion or not.

"see no one can agree on marle,lucca,robo,ayla order of strength"

Maybe because like Vincent and Tifa they haven't been in.
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"wait a minute someone said that because vincent sucks in battle it gives him a disadvantage. but frog also sucks in battle yet he performs pretty well in these contests."

Bring that up with ulti, as he's a fan of frog iirc.
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yeah, if I remember right, an elixir on the last boss of MQ is an instant win.


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...........jesus. With no magic, wouldn't MARLE be the worst?

I mean, what does she have? Her damned crossbow?
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I would be all for a sidekicks contest, so long as it extends to characters who are predominantly sidekicks, and not excluded if they starred in any game (i.e. Luigi, Yuna and Shadow would count). If you limit it to only characters who have ONLY been sidekicks, the amount of fodder would be scary...

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The only debatable part of the inequality is Tifa > Aeris, and even that's a stretch. You have more time to get attached to Tifa than you do Aeris.

This contest has really brought out the stupidity in you, I have to say.

Anyone who thinks that Vincent is stronger than either of them is blinded by fanboyism and immune to reason (see: Heroic Mario).

Actually, you would honestly fit that more than anyone as of late. You seem to ignore any type of logic and believe only what you have told yourself is "right."

Vincent is a fan favorite who is there to look T3H BADAZZ and absolutely useless to the plot of the game. He also sucks in battle.

Why, that sounds exactly like Magus. A fan favorite because he is badass. The only difference is that Magus has little more relevance toward the actual plot, which isn't going to be the main reason for his strength at all. He is nowhere near as prominent as many of the other characters, despite the fact that he's stronger. And you really need to stop bringing up battle prowess when it does not matter. You're becoming a lot like meisnewbie.

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There's no such thing as "sucking in battle" in Final Fantasy VII, the easiest RPG ever made.

Chrono Trigger is very much in the running for that title as well. Both were ridiculously easy.

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wait a minute someone said that because vincent sucks in battle it gives him a disadvantage. but frog also sucks in battle yet he performs pretty well in these contests.

Yes, that's because Ulti likes to bring up stuff that honestly does not factor into a character's popularity.

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But the highest ranked characters would be Magus, Zero, Frog and Auron... and possibly Bowser (an argument can be made for him in Mario RPG and such)... but even then, as we saw with the villains contest, most of the characters that played the role of villain and some other role (at least, if that other role was more prominent) didn't make it, regardless of eligibility. Think about it, DK was mentioned as being legal and never misses a Summer but couldn't get into a bracket where half the characters would never rate high enough to make the summer. At least for nominations people od take into consideration what they percieve to be a character's main role, so characters like Yuna may not make it because she was rather central in her first outing and leading in her second. Shadow might not make it because they may consider rivals different than sidekicks. Hell, Magus may not even make it because some people consider him to be a villain. I'm not sure I like the idea of a contest where Tails would have no problem making the upper quarter, and I like Tails to some degree.
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I don't see how skills in battle have -nothing- to do with a character's strength. for example, I like TG Cid because he's an absolute monster in battle. I don't even remember a thing that he does other than kick ass. same with Sabin. I'm sure there are other examples I can't think of right now where a character is made on his/her strength in battle. I like Tifa more than Aeris because Tifa is better in battle.
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I don't see how skills in battle have -nothing- to do with a character's strength.

Frog is among the worst character in battle in Chrono Trigger and he isn't weak because of it. As long as you do not seriously blow in battle, you're fine. People are not aware of all the fine stats that make a character better than one another. Vincent does not suck in battle to the more casual person. Look at damage in comparison to other characters, or all his fine detail stats are not something that factors into his strength.

The only way battle prowess is going to hurt someone is when they just have nothing cool or nothing great about them at all. The fact that Cloud is having a higher strength stat than Vincent is not going to make someone suddenly not for him.

Hell, it'd be like saying Colette is above fodder because she can do the most DPS among the rest of the characters. I'm sure the masses are aware of this.

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well, I've never gotten Vincent, so I can't argue that. I always use Frog, though - he's got healing spells and he rules with tha masamune for quite a while. my party is usually Crono-Magus-Frog, with Ayla a fourth if I don't have Magus.

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I think the point that transience is trying to get across is that being good in battle CAN be a significant source of a characters popularity, although the converse, i.e. not being good in battle doesn't mean that a character ISN'T popular. I think strength in battle is a good reason why some of the top characters are so popular (again, i.e. Cloud, Squall, Crono, Auron, Tidus). You can't say that their skills and limit breaks (Omnislash, Lionheart, Bushido, Crono's techs, etc.) don't draw them popularity.

Again, I'm not saying that a character NEEDS those things to be popular, nor am I saying that if a character has those things then he/she automatically should be popular. I'm just saying that those factors are part of the reason why those characters are so popular.
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Yes, it's all nice a good that they are good in battle, but as long as they have those flashy moves and don't absolutely suck as far as progressing through the game goes, then they should be fine regardless.

The criticism that Vincent, or anyone else really, sucks in battle is not something that will ever hinder their popularity unless they truly do suck so much that no one would think twice about using them. Vincent, while statistically not that great, is still fine for battle purposes. He has cool limit breaks that heal him; his weapons don't cause as much damage as others, but they still provide you with easy kills.

That's really what I'm getting at. Ulti tried pulling out that Vincent sucked in battle by the statistics. Honestly, I wouldn't imagine very many people at all knowing or caring about the statistics of Final Fantasy VII as far as the battle prowess is concerned. Barret is a beast in battle, but I wouldn't expect him to be anywhere near the top of the FFVII chain.

That is what I was saying.

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exactly. it's like arguing that match pictures have no effect whatsoever - anything that can influence a person's opinion of a character will, and in RPGs battle prowess is a significant category that shouldn't be discounted.
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Like I said, as long as they aren't noticeably sucky in battle there isn't going to be a problem on that negatively affecting their popularity. I don't ever seeing any other character ousting Frog for third in the CT chain because there are others who are better than him in battle.

Sure, yes, it could effect people's opinions on a character, especially if they are good. But I don't see why anyone should ever consider it when choosing someone to win a match.

"Hmm, I don't know, this character does suck in battle, he might end up losing it."

That would be an asinine thought.

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Frog doing well ended any thought I had that prowness in battle mattered.
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Easy way to judge. How did Servebot ever do? >_>
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More than someone performing poorly because they suck in battle, I think it's arguable that someone could do well because they're good in battle, like the example of TG Cid. He's not that great of a character, but he's absolutely awesome in battle, so everyone likes him. I used to hate Rinoa, but after discovering the awesomeness of Angel Wing, I somewhat like her. In Chrono Trigger, Crono is tolerable...because he's so good in battle. Luminaire rocks, and he has some pretty sweet weapons.

As for FFVII...in my experience, stats are completely irrelevant for deciding who's good in battle. The only thing that separates the characters, for me, is their Limit Breaks, and Cloud has awesome Limit Breaks. I have no doubt that Omnislash alone is responsible for hundreds, perhaps thousands of votes for Cloud. Aeris's Limit Breaks are the most unique, and can be quite useful when you have her, particularly Fury Brand. Vincent's Limits, however, are the worst in the game, barring perhaps Cait Sith, and Tifa's suck too. For that reason alone, I never use them in my party.

Vincent's limits might be near the worst in usefulness but I bet you a ton of people keep him in their party just to see his limits as they look badass.

i have no clue what to do about the following matches

mario/samus

ganon/auron

vivi/zelda

kratos/alucard

kratos/alucard/sora

kirby/tidus

bowser/ryu

snake/bowser/ryu

master chief/dk

kefka/tommy vercetti

kerrigan/vincent

kerrigan/vincent/dante

squall/magus

luigi/kosmos

link/cloud


this bracket is hard.

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"Aeris's Limit Breaks are the most unique"

Wait, what? While I agree Aeris' limits are better than most (which was going to have me responding to the previously made [and incorrect] statement that Tifa is better than Aeris is in battle) and Great Gospel is just plain awesome, but the more unique limits are Vincent's, bar none.
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there's an obvious reason why aeris' limit breaks are overpowered, and it's not just because she's a better character. btw, i think cloud/tifa/barret is best end game party in ff7. they have the most high damage limit breaks. trying to line up tifa's stuff is fun too. and as for ff7 being easy, it all depends on your use of FAQs and walkthroughs and what exactly you choose to do. I wouldn't say that fighting the weapons and raising chocobos is easy without aid.

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Omislash > Catastrophe > Highwind > All
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Vincent's aren't really varied. They're all the same uncontrollable transformation, with slightly different attacks

Aeris meanwhile can do everything from filling up Limit bars to paralyzing bosses
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btw, i think cloud/tifa/barret is best end game party in ff7. they have the most high damage limit breaks

Um, Tifa's limits aren't high damage at all. Doom of the Living and Highwind are both way better than anything she can pull off.

And when I said that Aeris's Limits were unique, I meant that they were used for a different purpose than anyone else's.

I don't deny that Aeris has awesome limits, I'm just saying that while Vincent has fewer limits the ones he has are quite different than everyone else's in function. And yes, there is a reason Aeris' are overpowered, but that doesn't change the fact that they make her better than Tifa. If you could keep her 'til the end I think the most powerful team would actually be Cloud, Cid, Aeris.
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Cloud, Cid, and Cait-Sith just to taunt Sephiroth.
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There's no such thing as "sucking in battle" in Final Fantasy VII, the easiest RPG ever made.

I'm guessing you've never played a Suikoden game. I love Suikoden II, but that game makes FF VII look like Ghosts 'n Goblins. How many other games have an entire mode of battle where it's essentially impossible to lose?
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That's easily made up for by the hard as **** boss fights

Yes, I probably am going on a trend in this topic. But Luca Blight beat me silly. Finished him after around two DAYS of attempts. And that was literally with my last man standing
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Suikoden II was pretty ****ing easy.

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Ive only died once in a Final Fantasy game since VI and thats because I landed on an island in FFIX pretty damaged, but I didnt realize that a Grand Dragon (or whatever it was called) was there and could kill my entire party in one shot.
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