Where is AERIS, where was Zelda last year, where has Tifa and Vincent been up until this year, where was Frog up until last year.

You are completely idiotic if you think nominations = support. Pac-Man has gotten in more times than such characters as Magus and Gannondorf. I GUESS PAC-MAN IS STRONGER.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Terra's chances of flopping appear to be low, but at the same time, I doubt she has what it takes to challenge Dante.
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Hey, i tried to sign up to be a guru last year and failed, so can i get on the list this year?
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Video games are all the same. Take GTA, its just a really evolved version of Pong!

So what proof do we have that Terra isn't the strongest character in the contest? I'm sure I could put some math together that would have her competing with Link.

Stop. You're making my intestines turn. XD
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Well, the one year Pac-Man was in and Magus and Ganondorf didn't, there were no nominations technically... Tifa and Vincent were held back by the company cap in 2004 (reminder: the cap was so low that Tidus, yes, TIDUS, only got in because of a technicality about the rights to Sora), and common sense in 2003... Frog? No idea.

I think there is some slight correlation, but not anything the size of the Sun. Remember how there were so little upsets by seeding last summer?
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

Hey, i tried to sign up to be a guru last year and failed, so can i get on the list this year?

Certainly. Just add your name to the list (in this topic only) and post your bracket in the official Guru Contest topic. That topic won't appear until after we've hit bracket lockdown, so you don't have to worry about it for now.
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The fact is that FFVI fans have a lot of people to nominate, but Im willing to bet most vote for Terra even if they nominate someone else over her from that game.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

From: NewLib | Posted: 7/7/2005 12:41:19 AM | #257
The fact is that FFVI fans have a lot of people to nominate, but Im willing to bet most vote for Terra even if they nominate someone else over her from that game.

*snickers*
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

Snicker all you want. A Dante who will not be stronger is not all that great. Thats right count it. The only way Terra loses this match is if she isn't strong enough. Dante not going anywhere.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

I can't take someone's gaming opinions seriously if they give MGS a 3. That's beyond ridiculous.

You might, you know, want to actually read further than the first statement.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

She's not going to be strong enough, of course. Dante's no elite, but he carries some major power. I mean, they're not quite done sweeping the dust made out of Ryo's fingernails yet.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

The only way Terra loses this match is if she isn't strong enough

No way.
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Are you implying Terra is anywhere near Ryo?
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Terra's a board creation. She won't get past the first round. I wouldn't be surprised if she turned out weaker than Kefka.

The only person who fits that "board creation" title is really Kerrigan.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

A Dante who will not be stronger is not all that great. Thats right count it. The only way Terra loses this match is if she isn't strong enough. Dante not going anywhere.

You talked like a Euro right there.

Anyways, the cookie cutter wins this year. ACCEPT THY FATES!
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From: NewLib | Posted: 7/7/2005 12:45:58 AM | #263
Are you implying Terra is anywhere near Ryo?

If by "anywhere near" you mean "couldn't get a tripling on her best damn day" then yes, she's anywhere near Ryo.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

If there's one year the cookie cutter shouldn't be trusted, this is it. Twenty-****ing-two new entrants and zero guaranteed wins from Link and Cloud.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

The only person who fits that "board creation" title is really Kerrigan.

Yes, I also agree that Kerrigan is a board creation, but this can apply to Terra. The thing is we won't know until match time. I'm banking on Dante beating Terra with about 53-58%. Possibly a bit more, if she turns out weaker than Kefka.
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Spring Contest 2005 - 68/80 points
"Not even death can save you from me" - Diablo

That's what worries me... when I made my initial picks, I had no idea what the consensus was, and it turns out I'm following the BOP perfectly for the second time in two contests this year. And I'm not feeling like I need to change anything, which is sad. It's obvious that whatever I change will not be the upset that will end up happening, if I do change something.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

Interestingly enough, Kerrigan and Terra both have this "lead character by default because nobody's important enough to be the lead" thingy. I wonder if this could hinder them seriously in the usual lead > villain > support cast hierarchy.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

Whoa, me and Draco had the same score in Spring 2k5
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Shut up, make me a sandwich. That is all.

I'm generally in the same boat as you, Slow. Going with the BOP bracket, I only have two "risks," but I'm comfortable enough with them and confident enough with everything else so that I feel nothing needs to be changed.

I make my bracket according to what I feel most comfortable with, and this year, it's turned out to be more or less a cookie cutter. However, I won't deny that big risks could have a better chance for huge payoff than in previous contests.
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Kerrigan isnt even the lead character until the expansion pack. Terra atleast has the advantage of being the lead character throughout the first half and the only character that will return in the end if you didnt find her.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Yes, I also agree that Kerrigan is a board creation, but this can apply to Terra. The thing is we won't know until match time. I'm banking on Dante beating Terra with about 53-58%. Possibly a bit more, if she turns out weaker than Kefka.

To be honest, I cannot see why she would be weaker than Kefka. The only instance where the villain, especially from Final Fantasy, was stronger than the hero... any hero was Sephiroth over Cloud in 2002. I cannot possibly imagine Terra being weaker than Kefka. I also think that because of Kefka's lackluster performances in the past that some of us are underestimating what someone from FFVI can really do.

Should a hero, whether it be Terra, Celes, or whomever, really be that far below everyone else? Final Fantasy VI is a powerhouse game at this site. Of course, games do not equal characters, but Terra doesn't have to be anywhere near the strength of FFVI in order to overcome Dante. I think she could put up some impressive numbers first round. However, I don't think she stands any sort of chance in Round 2.

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Laguna Loire

I have only one BOP upset so far, and I'm losing confidence on it in this topic.
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Clinkeroth: CLINKEROTH! ~Pibb of Truth

Sephiroth over Cloud in 2002 is very arguable... it's most likely that their rankings have to be switched, actually.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

Ulti, you think Magus will get 57% on Squall? HA! I can't see this match going more than 54% either way.

With that said, my (extreme) prediction is Squall with 52.5%. *Raises flame shield*
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From: Dranze | Posted: 7/6/2005 9:54:33 PM | Message Detail
Whoa, me and Draco had the same score in Spring 2k5

Yep. Which did you get wrong?

Mine were:
1) Sigma vs. Andross
2) Albedo vs. M. Bison (Me and my fanboyism)
3) I had Ridley going to the final four
4) I had Kuja winning 2 rounds.
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Spring Contest 2005 - 68/80 points
"Not even death can save you from me" - Diablo

Yeah I was about to say, Mario's vast overperformance and possibly SFF kind of hurt Cloud.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

It isn't as though Final Fantasy VI is that undecided on a main character. There are really on three -- and that's stretching it -- viable options for a main character. Terra obviously comes to mind as one of them and some might consider Celes or Locke to be the others. But it isn't as though Terra doesn't jump to mind when thinking of FFVI's central character; she always struck me as the central character throughout all of FFVI, minus the portion where Celes shortly has the focus shifted toward her.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

Oh, and I'm saying I agree with the BOP everywhere, but that's assuming Vercetti's still ahead. I haven't checked, I'll do it when I wake up.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

And as far as the BOP goes, I was rather shocked to find out that a majority of my picks are so vastly different from the consensus. I figured many matches would be a lot closer, but most of them are decided dominately toward one character.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

With that said, my (extreme) prediction is Squall with 52.5%. *Raises flame shield*

That's a Deku Shield.

*throws a Fire Keese into it*

Your shield is gone!
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Trainer: Clinkeroth, do mega fanboy attack!
Clinkeroth: CLINKEROTH! ~Pibb of Truth

Interestingly enough, Kerrigan and Terra both have this "lead character by default because nobody's important enough to be the lead" thingy. I wonder if this could hinder them seriously in the usual lead > villain > support cast hierarchy.

Kerrigan is not only the lead, she's also the villain and the sidekick. Even Arthas can't pull that off.
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"I have ambitions beyond becoming a god, you know." ~ Lezard Valeth, Valkyrie Profile

Terra has a severe lack of screen time in the second third of the WoB, though...
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

From: Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted: 7/7/2005 12:58:41 AM | #282
And as far as the BOP goes, I was rather shocked to find out that a majority of my picks are so vastly different from the consensus. I figured many matches would be a lot closer, but most of them are decided dominately toward one character.

Yeah, I mean, more people picking Bowser over Snake than Ryu over Bowser? Only two matches being remotely close, despite how tough the bracket is?
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

I figured many matches would be a lot closer, but most of them are decided dominately toward one character.

This is what makes me want to change some of my picks to the underdog, because of how few board members are taking them.
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Clinkeroth: CLINKEROTH! ~Pibb of Truth

Sephiroth over Cloud in 2002 is very arguable...

It only enforces the point that a villain has never really been over the hero of a game. I don't see why people should expect something like this out of Terra.

Like I said, I think some people are getting the idea, from Kefka, that nearly everything from FFVI would be weak because of him. But if you look at all of the Final Fantasy villains, most of them do not compare to their heroes. I don't see why Kefka should be the sole exception here. If anything, Sephiroth would have the best chance at overcoming his hero and he clearly does not.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

1) Kefka vs. Wesker
2) Ridley Vs Diablo (Diablo screwed me up all the way, had Ridley in the final four)
3) Kuja vs. Master Hand (I had Kuja going to the Elite Eight, so he screwed me as well.

I think that's about it.
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Shut up, make me a sandwich. That is all.

To be honest, while Terra is definitely the central character of FF6, you can't deny she's not as much as a Cloud or a Squall or a Tidus.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

I can argue that she is more important than Vivi and in a more popular game.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

To be honest, while Terra is definitely the central character of FF6, you can't deny she's not as much as a Cloud or a Squall or a Tidus.

This is entirely true. If she were, she'd give Crono a good match because (true) leads seem to be (more or less) synonymous with games. Being a less central character than those guys is going to knock her down, no question. The problem is figuring out how much that will hurt her.
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"I have ambitions beyond becoming a god, you know." ~ Lezard Valeth, Valkyrie Profile

Zidane is more important than Vivi and they're from the same game, and I'll be damned if Zidane's actually stronger. Of course, there's no way we'll know this year, what with the GREAT draw Zidane got.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

By the way I just found out through the all-time X-sts that Terra has to make up a 4% gap between Kefka and Dante in order to win. I really don't think she can do it.
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Spring Contest 2005 - 68/80 points
"Not even death can save you from me" - Diablo

I think Zidane > Vivi. Not by all that much but still its there.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

I should clarify that the "leads being synonymous with games" only seems to work with RPG heroes, and has varying degrees of success even within that group.
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"I have ambitions beyond becoming a god, you know." ~ Lezard Valeth, Valkyrie Profile

That's 4 percent with Kefka never getting a good pic. We cant really use his Spring Contest numbers, but they proved, atleast to me, that his pic did mean something.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

We cant really use his Spring Contest numbers, but they proved, atleast to me, that his pic did mean something.

No, it's just that Wesker was complete, uber fodder. The guy struggled with Luca Blight of all people. It didn't surprise me when Kefka got over 70% on him after seeing Wesker bomb the 1st round.
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Spring Contest 2005 - 68/80 points
"Not even death can save you from me" - Diablo

To be honest, while Terra is definitely the central character of FF6, you can't deny she's not as much as a Cloud or a Squall or a Tidus.

This is true. She isn't nearly the focus as the other heroes are from Final Fantasy; however, she is in a more popular game than all of them, minus Cloud. I definitely wouldn't be asking for Terra to be on par with Magus or anything, but I think she can overcome someone like Dante. She's still a main hero, she comes from a very popular Final Fantasy, and she doesn't have to be that strong to win her first match.

It's also likely that she'll get a good picture, as opposed to the Amano work. There's just too much there for her to be on par or weaker than Kefka, if you ask me. While she isn't the focus as much as Cloud or Squall or Tidus, she still retains the focus for a majority of the game. That combined with being from a very popular game should be enough to push her over someone around the 25% mark on 2004 Link.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

Kefka beat Wesker by as much as he was predicted to beat Luca according to the 2k4 stats.

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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia