Look Im not saying Riku wins, but its the only match I see in the first round that has sort of potential being under 60-40 and hasnt been discussed about. Unless sharing a fanbase has hurt Terra more than I thought and another character in the FF not sharing the fanbase with another character is really stronger than I thought.

I hope I could be completely unclear about that.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

A very good candidate for an upset that no one will see coming could very well be Dante over Vincent or Kirby over Tidus.

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"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

I think Rikku'll make it closer against Ryu than Riku against Frog, personally.

I've got a question: if Sora were to face all of the Square characters that's been in a contest yet (including this one), who would you pick Sora to beat?
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Dante over Vince is quite popular, actually.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

A very good candidate for an upset that no one will see coming could very well be Dante over Vincent or Kirby over Tidus.

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*has both of those picks*
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If we are talking about a Master Hand/Kuja like upset where 1 or 2 of sees it coming, Tera/Dante or Tidus over Ryu/Bowser could fit the bill.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

I'm oh-so tempted with Terra-over-Dante (though I'm not gonna fool with my bracket anymore), and I have Tidus-over-Bowser, heh.
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Ryu > Bowser

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Would you like your casket size 8x8, human-sized, or would you like your bracket to go through the shredder?


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Ryu over Bowser is perfectly reasonable; I just think Bowser'll have what it takes to win, as does many people. Much like Luigi over KOS-MOS, actually...which is kinda scary to think about.
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From the previous topic:
From: FastFalcon05 | Posted: 7/2/2005 6:08:18 PM | Message Detail
Hey, I'm back, not that I was most likely missed, heh, um, but if anyone has the topic before the last one here saved, I'd like to catch the frenzy that must have erupted when the bracket was released. I don't have time quite right now to chat, but if someone could like recap since the bracket was released, I'd appreciate it.

You would need to go back further than Part 148 for that. The bracket was released near the end of Part 145

http://members.shaw.ca/teamrocketelite/Stats and Discussion Pt145.htm
http://members.shaw.ca/teamrocketelite/Stats and Discussion Pt146.htm
http://members.shaw.ca/teamrocketelite/Stats and Discussion Pt147.htm
http://members.shaw.ca/teamrocketelite/Stats and Discussion Pt148.htm

I also have copies of Part 141 to Part 144 if you need them.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

TRE, you're a self-typing hard-drive. I'm not talkin' any Windows 98 15 GB computer hard-drive, either; you're what the Pentagon's missing out on.
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TRE, you're a self-typing hard-drive. I'm not talkin' any Windows 98 15 GB computer hard-drive, either; you're what the Pentagon's missing out on.

=D
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"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

TRE, you are my hero.
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Sorry, HM, but I found this rather funny.

From: Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted: 6/26/2005 10:42:36 PM | Message Detail
There is no way in hell you can be even remotely sure of that. Nobody knows when it will start except cjayc. Speculating is fine, but sating that it will start then, as if you have any more of an idea when it will start then anyone else is stupid.

There's no way I can be remotely sure of that? Let's look at the facts shall we?

The nomination process ended nearly a week ago. We still have not received a bracket and today is June 27th, getting closer and closer to July 1st. The bracket predicting period almost always lasts a month. These crazy theories that we'll have one week to predict or that it will start in mid-July never made any sense at all, especially when we're almost in July.

Furthermore, what time did the contest start last year? August 1st. What time did we get the bracket? Around July 1st. Explain to me again how I cannot even be "remotely sure" of that claim. The only people who cannot be remotely sure are those making ridiculous predictions of the contest starting this week or in mid-July.
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I remember that post, heh.
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Hearkening back to an older subject, a note on Myst's sales: Myst came packaged with a lot of computers and peripherals; e.g. CD-ROM drives. That would inflate it's sales numbers (the makers of the game would get a much smaller slice from those "sales").

I read someone (therealmnm I think) post about having problems with the Link vs. Cloud updates. Would that be for SC2K4? That page works for me, it just takes a while to load because of all the data.
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Link vs Cloud 2k3 was before you made the update script so it would have to be the 2k4 one. The page also works for me but it does take quite a while to load.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

I've had KOS-MOS > Luigi from day one. From my observations, almost no one else seems to.

I had that for the first few days, but the board changed my mind. I'm still not too happy about picking Luigi.
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Congrats to yoblazer, the Guru contest winner!

Because I'm bored, here's a look at Square heroes:villains for a look at where Terra might place.

If Terra:Kefka::Hero:Villain, Terra = XX.XX% on 2k3 Link

2k4 Cloud: 2k4 Sephiroth, 25.77%
2k4 Cloud: Sp2k5 Sephiroth, 28.24%
2k4 Vivi: Sp2k5 Kuja, 53.26%
2k4 Crono: Sp2k5 Lavos, 51.15%
2k4 Crono: 2k3 Magus, 26.59%
2k4 Sora: Sp2k5 Ansem, 37.09%
2k3 Tidus: Sp2k5 Sin, 48.25%
2k4 Tidus: Sp2k5 Sin, 38.30%

That's all I've got for Square Hero:Villains. If there are any others, let me know. Only two (Crono:Magus and 2k4 Cloud:Seph) would put Terra under Dante.

Let's take a look at something else.

Summer Contests:
Cloud > Crono > Tidus >= Squall > Sora > Vivi
Spring Contest 2k4:
Final Fantasy VII > Chrono Trigger > Final Fantasy VI > Final Fantasy X > Kingdom Hearts > Final Fantasy
Spring Contest 2k5:
Sephiroth > Kefka > Ansem = Lavos > Sin > Kuja
Generally:
VII > CT = VI > X >= VIII > KH > IX

Why can't Terra hang with Squall and Tidus, or, if not them, with Vivi and Sora? Because Kefka performs badly? Has that stopped any other Square character (with the exception of Cloud, who doesn't have to worry about it)?
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"I have ambitions beyond becoming a god, you know." ~ Lezard Valeth, Valkyrie Profile

Instead of strictly looking at numbers, you have to figure out WHY each of those numbers are so. Although Terra may be the main character of FFVI, she is not nearly as visible as the other FF heroes. Plus Kefka is more of a favorite among FFVI's fanbase than most of the other Square games.

Like I said before, even if she is stronger than Kefka, it probably wouldn't be by much more. I'd look at what I know about FFVI, Kefka, and Terra before I looked at number comparisons between hero/villain relationships.
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Although Terra may be the main character of FFVI, she is not nearly as visible as the other FF heroes.

Perhaps, but she is still central to the majority of things that take place until the WoR. That should still be plenty visable.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2051

Have you entered the Summer Contest yet?

Yes, and I plan to win 20.79% 21
Yes, but I don't have an HDTV tuner 6.93% 7
Not yet, but I will very soon 9.9% 10
No, these contests do nothing for me 14.85% 15
Contest? What contest? 47.52% 48
TOTAL VOTES 101

What the?
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

Ceej is on whack. Again. It's like the Geico commercials to me.

And as expected, most of the site is voting for the last option.
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Have you entered the Spring Contest yet?
Yes, and I plan on winning 9.59% 3840
Yes, but I don't like my chances 10.44% 4179
Not yet, but I will very soon 8.42% 3372
No, it just doesn't interest me 19.42% 7772
Contest? What contest? 52.13% 20867
TOTAL VOTES 40030


So it seems that so far, people are about 6-7% more aware of the summer contest than the spring contest.
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Perhaps, but she is still central to the majority of things that take place until the WoR. That should still be plenty visable.

I didn't mean that literally... I meant more visible than the other characters in the game in the sense of being favored significantly more than the other characters. Terra gives the gamer more than enough time to end up liking other characters more, or at least to take their focus off of her. Plus she isn't what Crono, Cloud, or Squall, (and to an extent Tidus) are to their parties, both as a lead and in battle. She still may very well end up surprising though. I'm HOPING that she does.
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Those numbers are interesting, but in reality Terra's most likely to have the Cloud/Sephiroth ratio out of any of those. But I doubt she'll even get that.
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Raiden fact of the contest: Alucard is a plagiarist, this year Raiden will prove it!

Yeah, I think ceej is making an attempt at humor but it's falling flat.
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!

What in the world? Is it common for half the people who go to the site and take the time to vote on the poll have never noticed the thing about the contest on the front page?

...people are lazy. I hate people.
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Nope. God himself couldn't beat Sephiroth. FFVII Fanboys outnumber Christians. ~ jkmill550

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1793

The 2nd options looks familiar doesn't it? I'm not quite sure why he copied that one and not one of these more recient polls with similar answer formats:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2042
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2043
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2044

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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

So TRE, no surprise, digs up the answer to Ceej's obscure joke. Grats. And Ulti once called ME the encyclopedia. Theres no doubt in my mind that the title of CSAD encyclopedia belongs to TRE.
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!

XD

Ceej is weird.
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A very good candidate for an upset that no one will see coming could very well be Dante over Vincent or Kirby over Tidus.

Yeah, but the whole idea of an upset that no one will see coming is that no one will see it coming. So if you can see it coming, then...well, you get the point.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

I'd say a fair few will have Kirby over Tidus, given the seeding and the fact that Tidus seems to be underrated.
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"Her name is Mrs. Hutchinson, but I call her 'The Mighty Sumo'." - Iqbal
Alistair Overeem will win the Grand Prix.

Hey, who do you think would win MC/Magus, if that were the case somehow?
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Picking MC in that match would be VERY tempting, I must admit.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

I'd like to take MC there, but I'd go with Magus.
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Magus.

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I think Ceej is making a joke about all of the HDTV controversy over next generation consoles, but the joke assumes that the people on this site pay attention to what's been going on.

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RPGuy: How is VP, anyway?

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"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Oh, and about Terra. I truly do believe that Dante got dicked over in his match against Sonic (that picture was horrible) and that 2003 is more indicative of what his strength is; there's also the fact that DMC3 will undoubtedly give Dante something, but we don't know what. I also don't think that Terra is as strong as Auron or Alucard, though I do hope to God I'm wrong. I'm picking Dante, but I'm voting/rooting for Terra.

I also can't shake the thought of what match pic she'll get. Unless she gets a sprite, she'll be another 2003 Kefka and will be going on name value alone. The pictures that we're seeing of Kefka and Cecil don't give me hope that Terra is going to fare much better in the looks department.

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"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

I can't wait until Lettuce Kefka in the first round. People picking Kefka are forgetting that there just aren't that many full-body shots of Kefka, and Ceej loves his vegetables.
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DMC3 may give Dante something, but I wouldn't expect it to be anything worth noting. The game simply did not sell well enough to warrant any sort of major boost, or something worth considering when picking him in matches.

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who would you guys take, Kratos Aurion or Kefka?

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Another thing I just realized - Spring 2k5 was the only year Kefka went through a contest without seeing his Lettuce picture. Maybe that accounted for his SpC2k5 boost?
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Another thing I just realized - Spring 2k5 was the only year Kefka went through a contest without seeing his Lettuce picture. Maybe that accounted for his SpC2k5 boost?

I've thought about that and tried to relate it to how he might stay Lettuce-free this contest...but Kefka had his 3D pic in the profile this spring; he's already got Lettuce in it this summer, for what it's worth. He'll likely get it first round.

I know that wasn't what you were gettin' at though; for his Sping 2k5 boost...where? The only boost I saw was Kefka/Wesker, and that's debatable on many levels. Now, with Diablo not gettin' any linkage against Ganon as opposed to the rest of his matches, Kefka may be minorly under-rated and may have had an almost-insignificant boost...but there's not much of a boost to talk about there.
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From: Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted: 7/4/2005 11:15:49 AM | Message Detail
DMC3 may give Dante something, but I wouldn't expect it to be anything worth noting. The game simply did not sell well enough to warrant any sort of major boost, or something worth considering when picking him in matches.

Yes, but it should be enough to get him past Amano Terra when he's the 1 seed in a 1-8 match.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

I still don't think he had any sort of boost except in the match with Wesker, and that's not the match that the stats are basing him on, and even that boost would be miniscule at best. I'm holding to the theory that Kefka remained constant from his SC2K4 adjusted value, because at least the numbers make sense. It shows a small boost for Ganondorf, a large boost for Sephiroth, and a large fall for Sephiroth*. Those numbers are believable.

*Pretend that Liquid Snake doesn't exist when using this theory.
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Nah, that was due to Ganondorf totally rocking Sephiroth's world. Kefka/Diablo projected Diablo/Ganondorf near perfectly.
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Pretend that Liquid Snake doesn't exist when using this theory.

Nevar!1!!11!!1one

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"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus