Shadow the Hedgehog is black, and he got 45% on Mario...
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

HM, you're only defending Squall because you're in the middle of FF8. Go play Chrono Trigger.

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"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Colette is the entire focus of Tales of Symphonia, from start to finish.

No, she's not. The focus around her quickly diminishes toward the latter part of the game. It then shifts all to Lloyd, Kratos, and Mithos.

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The game does not finish focusing on Colette.

You did watch the same ending as me, right?

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HM, you're only defending Squall because you're in the middle of FF8. Go play Chrono Trigger.

I'm finished with Final Fantasy VIII, actually. Just beat Ultimecia this morning.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

You did watch the same ending as me, right?

Doesn't ToS have like, 7 different endings?
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You did watch the same ending as me, right?

Yeah, where was the main focus on Colette? Oh, right. It was on Lloyd instead.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

I just can't see Squall ever beating Ganon and that decided the match for me.
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Volgin is one sexy beast....

Er. Why? Final Fantasy 7 was the first RPG for a group of gamers that is typically though of as not liking 2D games. I'd say it's less of a stretch that Crono and Sonic share more of a fanbase than Cloud and Crono. At least Sonic and Crono are from the same generation...

Ummm why? Have you forgotten that Chrono Trigger is a Square RPG? One would assume that a lot of Final Fantasy fans also like Chrono Trigger as well, especially after the success of Final Fantasy VI. Not to mention that Cloud and Crono have a LOT in common... Main protagonists of the two most popular Square games. I can't believe you think that Crono and SONIC share more fans than Crono and Cloud. Like I said, it isn't an exact science. I was speaking in general. Was this a point really worth arguing? I KNOW it's not exact but I was still speaking relative in comparing Samus and Mario.

So I guess you believe that a significant number of Crono fans who voted him over Mario like Samus better than Cloud right?

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Doesn't ToS have like, 7 different endings?

Minor differences in each. There are really on two different endings. One with Zelos and one with Kratos.

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I didn't see a reply to the 498th post in the last topic, so I'll post it again.

If I've done my math right - it's possible I haven't - Assuming SC2k4 Ganon = SpC2k5 Ganon, and his overperformance in the SpC2k5 Final was entirely due to Sephiroth dropping, wouldn't that project a Samus victory in the TOC, before even considering a possible Samus increase?

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Not to mention that Cloud and Crono have a LOT in common...

...Like what? They're both main characters from popular Square RPGs, yes, but their personalities are completely different.

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...They have spiky hair and big swords. That's all anybody really cares about.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Crono's sword isn't big. >_>

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Crono has a big sword?

That's news to me.... Looked like a fairly standard sword when I saw it.
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Going by the SFF adjusted figure on Ganondorf, Sephy would drop to 38.70%, so yes, he'd be below Samus.
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But not by a whole lot right? If that number is actually true then the Samus-Sephy match is basically a coin toss. Ouch, that 8 points for the match could really hurt your score.

I'd love to see Samus beat Sephiroth and would vote for her, but I doubt that it would actually happen. I doubt she'll even get that far, anyway.

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If I've done my math right - it's possible I haven't - Assuming SC2k4 Ganon = SpC2k5 Ganon, and his overperformance in the SpC2k5 Final was entirely due to Sephiroth dropping, wouldn't that project a Samus victory in the TOC, before even considering a possible Samus increase?

In the numbers, yes, yes it would, but by that time Advent Children will be out, and well, we all know where I'm going with this one.

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I agree with Ulti entirely in that last post.

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In fact, when I first filled out my bracket I had Summer 2005 Champ > Seph, my Champ being Samus, but with the reminder of AC I put Seph over Samus, as well as Cloud over Link, which is a toss up from year to year as it is.

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Ouch, that 8 points for the match could really hurt your score.

Or greatly help it and even vault you into the Top 10, if you picked Samus.

I'd love to see Samus beat Sephiroth and would vote for her, but I doubt that it would actually happen. I doubt she'll even get that far, anyway.

You mean Mario, right? Not going to happen. Crono is more of a threat, though I believe Samus will win that one.

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...Like what? They're both main characters from popular Square RPGs, yes, but their personalities are completely different.

I can't believe how people are nitpicking my arguments. Oh, so you think that people like Crono for his PERSONALITY now? And I guess the same would be said of Cloud. Yep. Personalities. Being the protagonists and one of the strongest characters in their parties and other stuff have NOTHING at all to do with their popularity. Yep. Crono's personality just sparkles. And Cloud? I'd like to sit down and have a cup of tea with him.

Again, my whole example of Cloud and Crono is that they share a lot of fans RELATIVE to what they would to Mario and Samus. I even stated that it doesn't necessarily mean that most of Crono fans like Cloud better or vice versa. I just stated that there probably are a significant number of people who like BOTH, relative to Mario and Samus. If you're not reading the entire post, then don't read it at all instead of changing the whole direction of the post.
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Just to clarify:

Vincent Vs. Dante/Terra will take place before AC comes out and the TOC will take place after AC comes out, right?
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I'm guessing Samus ends up the beneficiary of the SFF against Mario, not that it couldn't go the other way. I mean damn, no Mario game has been significant enough to draw in anymore fans from SM64, only possibly lose them as a result of time passing and the Metroid series becoming more mainstream. I know, new and exciting ideas. Mario taking out Samus just doesn't seem to make sense to me, Mario's decline/Crono's incline is obvious through the two's matches throughout the years, so is it really that farfetched to believe Nintendo fans would jump ship to Samus?

If we're going by this gen I think it's safe to say Metroid series > Mario series, hell, you could make a case for it being above Zelda, with all the hate cell shaded Link brought to the scene.

That said I think Samus defeats Mario with a minumum of 55%.

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"September 14th in Japan, followed closely by a North American release."

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September 13th in America (around the Elite 8 in the main bracket) and September 14th for Japan.

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Heh. >_>

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Laharl just keeps getting funnier. Knocking Flonne and Etna for having no chest = Instant comedy.

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YoBlazer(33) & Robotnik pwned my (Ro)butt in Sp2k5

Anecdotally, therealmn, I voted Crono over Mario and Link over Cloud. Does this make me a bad person?
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SC2K5 Elite Eight: Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot

If we're going by this gen I think it's safe to say Metroid series > Mario series, hell,

How so?

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There is an excellent comedic chemistry between Laharl and Flonne.

"WHAT?! You stupid love freak!"

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
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I'm bored, so I've decided to rearrange the 2002 bracket alphabetically. Unsurprisingly, it's the worst bracket ever.

North Division:

1- Abe
16- Aeris Gainsborough

8- Akira Yuki
9- Alucard

5- Aya Brea
12- Bomberman

4- Bub
13- CATS

6- Chop Chop Master Onion
11- Claire Redfield

3- Cloud Strife
14- Crash Bandicoot

7- Crono
10- Dante

2- Dirk the Daring
15- Donkey Kong

East Division:

1- Duke Nukem
16- Fox McCloud

8- Gabe Logan
9- Goemon

5- Gordon Freeman
12- Guybrush Threepwood

4- Iori Yagami
13- Jill Valentine

6- Kane
11- Kasumi

3- Kazuya Mishima
14- Ken Masters

7- Kirby
10- Knuckles

2- Kyo Kusanagi
15- Lara Croft

South Division:

1- Link
16- Little Mac

(...XD)

8- Mario
9- Max Payne

5- Mega Man
12- Morrigan Aensland

4- Mr. Driller
13- Ms. Pac-Man

(...XDXDXD)

6- Pac-Man
11- Parappa the Rapper

3- Pikachu
14- Pitfall Harry

7- Q*Bert
10- Raziel

2- Ryo Hazuki
15- Ryu

West Division:

1- Samus Aran
16- Scorpion

8- Serious Sam
9- Sephiroth

5- Servbot
12- Simon Belmont

4- Solid Snake
13- Sonic

6- Spyro the Dragon
11- Squall Leonheart

3- Strider Hiryu
14- Tails

7- Terry Bogard
10- Tidus

2- Tina Armstrong
15- Ulala

My God. The West Division is the most stacked division EVER.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

so whats harder to predict?
dream division or devil division.
i'll go for devil cause i can't see big differences in strength between dante,vincent,squall,magus. and then there's the odd kerrigan/terra support
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Nobody's mentioned it yet, so I'll say it now: When picking the Tournament of Champions, the combo box has Sephiroth and "2005 Champ" in it, NOT Sephiroth and whoever you picked to win the regular tournament. In other words, if Sephiroth were upset, you could still potentially get those 8 points even if you had the wrong champion of the regular bracket. Someone could pick Mario to beat Samus and Sephiroth, but if it happened that Samus beat Mario and Sephiroth, that person would still get the 8 points for that match.
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Just got back, and I must say I like the bracket. Ceej has delivered.
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From: Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted: 7/2/2005 4:18:57 PM | #233
If we're going by this gen I think it's safe to say Metroid series > Mario series, hell,

How so?

The three best Metroids vs. SMS, MK:DD and a ton of other spinoffs.

Sounds easy to me.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

How so?

Well I guess I could have worded that better. What I'm saying is, the Mario series this gen hasn't made Mario any more popular than he was before. Sunshine by most people is looked down upon compared to 64, I seriously doubt the Tennis/Kart/Smash reeling in any new fans, as they were only minor upgrades to their counterparts on the 64, and even that's arguable. I'll take Mario Kart 64 and Smash Bros over Double Dash!!! and Melee anyday. As for Paper Mario 2 it's sales figures weren't any better than it's counterpart on the 64.

On the other side of the coin, the Metroid series has been pretty much absent since the SNES. Zero Mission, along with both Primes are critically acclaimed titles, that are guaranteed to have brought in new fans from back in the day.

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Going through the BOP, there's a couple things I find surprising:

Ness being such a heavy underdog. We don't have very good data on him, but he's probably no more than 2% away from Vercetti. Now, CJ could very easily be above Vercetti, but meh. I understand that he's the underdog, but I thought he would get a little more backing.

Vivi being such a heavy underdog. Again, we don't have good data on him, but going through DK he's nearly equal to Zelda. I would have thought he'd be the favorite.

The King of All Cosmos getting a 5 seed. That's hilarious.

Terra being such a heavy underdog. She got screwed going against a DMC3 Dante, and she has to be lightyears away from Kefka to win, but, well, most hero(ine)s are lightyears away from their villains. She has a better chance of winning than the 7 (now 8) brackets would indicate.

Vincent being such a heavy favorite. I have him, too, but it seems like underestimating Blizzard is a recurring theme...

KOS-MOS being such a heavy underdog. If it wasn't Luigi, I'd pick her to win. She's a good 2% ahead of Luigi and should be considered the favorite.

Nobody likes Auron in Auron/Gdorf? I know the Spring disproved the ridiculous theories about a Magus overperformance, but Auron is still a force who we don't have good data on.

Nobody likes Kirby in Kirby/Tidus? We don't have good data on either one, sure, but I thought the mix would be more of a 50/50 spread instead of that.

I guess the Spring contest made up people's minds on Bowser/Ryu. I know I would have picked Ryu before that, but not now.

Why is Vincent such a heavy favorite? And I'm the first pick with Terra there?

People picked Squall over Magus?

People picked Vincent over Magus?

More people didn't pick Bowser over Snake? That's a ridiculously tempting upset.

That's about all I got. I'm happy to see that there's no cap, though Square certainly made out better than Nintendo. And, yet, still no Aeris?
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I'm seriously contemplating a Bowser > Snake call. But Naked Snake being identical in every way to Solid except for the name, is really making me think of a Solid Snake boost. Throughout the game they either referred to him as Jack or Snake, it's easy to see people confusing the two. On the other side of it, I don't think Big Boss will see much of a boost from MGS3, not that we would know if he had one or not, as he'll be using his MGS2 pic, not MGS3.

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Nobody likes Kirby in Kirby/Tidus?

*raises hand*

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Having Vincent over Kerrigan is killing me.

I mean god, every time I pick Blizzard, and watch everyone get burned, but now I'm picking agaisnt Blizzard... and it's dark and scary.

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I mean god, every time I pick Blizzard, and watch everyone get burned, but now I'm picking agaisnt Blizzard... and it's dark and scary.

When was the last time FFVII lost?
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SC2K5 Elite Eight: Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot

I guess the Spring contest made up people's minds on Bowser/Ryu. I know I would have picked Ryu before that, but not now.

Quite a few people will be surprised when that match comes around.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Ness being such a heavy underdog. We don't have very good data on him, but he's probably no more than 2% away from Vercetti. Now, CJ could very easily be above Vercetti, but meh. I understand that he's the underdog, but I thought he would get a little more backing.

People here know CJ is from the 2004 GotY here. GTA:SA has been on the top of the charts for the longest time. CJ might not be too strong, but he should be at least able to take out Ness.

Vivi being such a heavy underdog. Again, we don't have good data on him, but going through DK he's nearly equal to Zelda. I would have thought he'd be the favorite.

Zelda getting 40% on Mega Man back in 2003 was impressive. Now she's back with a possible boost, so it's pretty smart to back her going into this match.

Vincent being such a heavy favorite. I have him, too, but it seems like underestimating Blizzard is a recurring theme...

Vincent is looking to be near Aeris level. And for the 100th time, Starcraft =/= Kerrigan. She's being over-estimated to hell.

KOS-MOS being such a heavy underdog. If it wasn't Luigi, I'd pick her to win. She's a good 2% ahead of Luigi and should be considered the favorite.

Eh, it's Luigi. Kinda hard to go against Mario's brother, even though he's been lackluster in these Contests. 45% on Yoshi vs. 42% on Ryu sounds pretty obvious in who to choose, but this just seems like it's going to be Luigi's match.

Nobody likes Auron in Auron/Gdorf? I know the Spring disproved the ridiculous theories about a Magus overperformance, but Auron is still a force who we don't have good data on.

Ganondorf owns that hard... Ok, fine, but yeah, the lack of Auron support is a bit surprising, seeing as how the two are near equal. Then again, I don't believe Auron > Tidus.

And I'll comment on more later. I want to watch my Titans in peace. =D
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SC2K5: Samus is going all the way!

When was the last time FFVII lost?

When was the last time an optional character for whom you need to complete a sidequest to get any story what-so-ever about said character, performed well in a contest?

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I know the Spring disproved the ridiculous theories about a Magus overperformance

How anyone thinks that the Spring proved anything definite is beyond me. Ganondorf can still look a bit weaker than his 2003 number depending on how you view the numbers.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

All that spring proved is that FF = strong. Luckily I knew that beforehand.

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