If you base him on Tails, Auron's within reach of Ganondorf. If you base him on Scorpion, he's above Magus.

Yeah I forgot to adjust for Link's increase. Really, I guess it all comes down to, for me, is I still see Tidus > Auron despite what we saw in 2004. And as long as I see it like that, I cant put Auron above Ganondorf unless I see a reason for FFX to increase or Gannondorf to decrease.
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Zero did stronger against Scorpion in 2K3 then Auron did in 2K4. Where did you pull out that Auron is above Magus based off Scorpion?!
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Although...if Ganondorf did benefit from that increase...Then that means that Alucard, Kirby, and Bomberman suffered more against Sephiroth than we thought they did. That means Squall looks even BETTER against Magus.

It also means Alucard beats Sora easily, too.

I have upmost faith that the Square fanbase will rally behind Sora, despite.
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Zero got 62.84% on Scorpion in 2k3.

Auron got 64.85% on Scorpion in 2k4.
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Right. I highly doubt that Sephiroth would beat Mario like that again. This isn't 2k3 anymore. Sephiroth isn't as strong as he was back then.

Regardless, keeping Sephiroth constant with 2004 puts Ganondorf at 38.95, which is above Mario. Bowser goes to 37.66, which means Mario wouldn't even get 51% on him.
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Zero did stronger against Scorpion in 2K3 then Auron did in 2K4. Where did you pull out that Auron is above Magus based off Scorpion?!

What?

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1739
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1319

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You know, I can't have faith Mario can do much of anything after SC2K4's falter against Crono. I think Mario would still beat Bowser, if not by SFF alone..but otherwise, Mario's losing his grip on his elite status as a whole. But, that's just another thing altoghether, I suppose.

What?

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1739
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1319


Oh, I couldn't see that as clearly in sc2k5.com, my bad. -_-'
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Mario just has to wait until 128.

When that comes along, he'll be a contest champion that year.
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I dont think he will even then.
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"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Yup if Mario 128 will give us the same "WOW!!!" that SM64 did then Mario will at least knock Crono and Samus down, but I can't ever see him winning over Clinkeroth.
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My biggest predictions: Mario over Samus, Alucard over Sora, Magus over Dante.

Well, one thing about Cjay's SFF ridden bracket, it made this one harder to predict. If he didnt have it Auron/Ganon, Vivi/Zelda, and Squall/Magus would be much easier.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Not necessarily...
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Well they would be if they arent actually close. If the matches are all 51-49 then no, it wouldnt of done a thing. But I think one of those three matches is going to turn into a 55-45 affair and we just cant tell.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
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Samus/Mario would be expected to be 55/45. Doesn't stop anyone from taking Mario.
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I doubt anyone who takes Mario, believes that Mario could beat the same opponents as Samus by the same ammounts. Most are going off the thought that Mario going to destroy Samus with SFF.
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Pfft, more brackets to not worry about. XD
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 7/2/2005 1:08:42 PM | #164
Samus/Mario would be expected to be 55/45. Doesn't stop anyone from taking Mario.

Same with Magus/Squall...>.>
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Both of whom were involved with SFF, so we really can't say both of their numbers are accurate with absolute certainty.
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Unless you believe SFF with Magus/Squall would be contained within 10%.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Magus/Squall doesn't rely on any type of reverse SFF in order for Squall to win either.

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Well, if all of Samus' fans are just Nintendo fans....

The individual Metroid fanbase doesn't seem as large as Mario's.

The performances of the Metroid games and Ridley make me believe that Metroid doesn't have much power of it's own as a series. Samus on the other hand draws her power from being a famous Nintendo character.

If her power comes from Nintendo fans alone, wouldn't they change their vote for the mascot of the series?

....That made no sense at all. And I have Samus over Mario......>___>;...
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But if Nintendo fans really cared about Mario more, that would HAVE to show somewhat in outside matches. Look at how Mario did against Crono and how Samus did against Cloud. It would be silly to think that they wouldn't support Mario as much in outside matches, but then turn around and vote him over Samus when it appears that Samus got MORE support from them in outside matches.

If that makes any sense to anyone....
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I guess, if you want to get technical, it depends on how much of the overlapped fanbase sides with Mario...
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But if Nintendo fans really cared about Mario more, that would HAVE to show somewhat in outside matches. Look at how Mario did against Crono and how Samus did against Cloud. It would be silly to think that they wouldn't support Mario as much in outside matches, but then turn around and vote him over Samus when it appears that Samus got MORE support from them in outside matches.

If that makes any sense to anyone....

Would you pick Auron over Tidus then?
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In CJ vs Ness, I'm starting to lose faith in CJ, again.

Liquid got nearly 80% on Tenpenny. What the ****? Even though CJ is the main character, that's still a lot of ground for CJ to cover. Also, Ness got 35% on Auron, who, honestly, I would take over Liquid Snake. I don't like the arguement so much that CJ will be around Vercetti's level just because he's from a GTA game. They're not even in the same game for crying out loud, and Tenpenny has brought San Andreas to a very poor start in these contests.

And plus the racism on black VG characters, I think Ness has what it takes to take him down.
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Also, XStats be damned. Ganondorf is taking down Auron.
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No one other than the main character from a GTA game is going to be worth anything.

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Auron is the one who is going to be taking out Ganon.

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No one other than the main character from a GTA game is going to be worth anything.

I still don't think that's a good thing for CJ at all.
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I guess, if you want to get technical, it depends on how much of the overlapped fanbase sides with Mario...

That's why I used the Crono and Cloud comparison. I know it isn't a science, but one would assume that Crono and Cloud share the same fanbase (not saying Cloud would significantly SFF Crono, just saying that they are liked by the same people). Now taking that fanbase out, it appears that Samus was supported more by everyone else (including the Nintendo fanbase). Unless you want to say that a significant number of Crono fans voted Samus over Cloud, I don't see how it can't be indicated that Samus is supported more. Even during Mario's strongest year, he couldn't do better against a common opponent in Link than Samus did. I know they are in different years, but there's nothing that Mario has shown that would make me think he is capable of SFFing Samus enough to actually beat her.

Would you pick Auron over Tidus then?

I don't see why it's so farfetched to believe that Auron is liked more than Tidus. Hell, his character was MADE that way. Sure Tidus could be stronger since they are close in strength anyways, but I won't believe for a second that Tidus CAN'T be weaker than Auron. Just like Vivi probably is stronger than Zidane. I factor in who actually IS liked more rather than who SHOULD be liked more.
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San Andreas won GOTY here.

And if you liked the game enough to vote for it in the GOTY polls, odds are you aren't biased against playing as a black guy >_>
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Ganon's black and he does fine for himself.

The Hip-hop boards are actually very large around here.
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I still don't think that's a good thing for CJ at all.

What? How is that still not a good thing for CJ? Vercetti does fine in these contests, but no one else for Vice City would be worth a dime.

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Liquid got nearly 80% on Tenpenny. What the ****? Even though CJ is the main character, that's still a lot of ground for CJ to cover. Also, Ness got 35% on Auron, who, honestly, I would take over Liquid Snake. I don't like the arguement so much that CJ will be around Vercetti's level just because he's from a GTA game. They're not even in the same game for crying out loud, and Tenpenny has brought San Andreas to a very poor start in these contests.

Tenpenny looks so bad because Liquid bombed against Sephiroth. 20% for a character like Tenpenny isn't really that bad on Liquid Snake. Liquid Snake is MUCH stronger than Ness, and I would think that CJ is MUCH stronger than Tenpenny. People who HAVEN'T played GTA:San Andreas at least know who CJ is, and that might work wonders against someone like Ness as people might still vote for CJ regardless of if they have actually played the game. Tenpenny? No chance my friend.
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I'll just sit quietly with Ness and Kerrigan winning a round, and wait and see...
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but one would assume that Crono and Cloud share the same fanbase

Er. Why? Final Fantasy 7 was the first RPG for a group of gamers that is typically though of as not liking 2D games. I'd say it's less of a stretch that Crono and Sonic share more of a fanbase than Cloud and Crono. At least Sonic and Crono are from the same generation...
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Ganon's black and he does fine for himself.

Who the hell started all this Ganon is black mess??? I really feel like drop kicking whoever said that....
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=841

As much as I loathe the way these polls get used to prove points, it's hard to ignore the way that Auron flat-out dominated this one. Not only do I think that Auron is stronger than Tidus, I think that Auron is the #3 man on the Final Fantasy totem poll.
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The only people picking Squall to beat Magus are a couple of delusional fans who have to go to unbelievably enormous lengths to convince themselves of the numbers lining up. I fully expect Squall/Magus to look like Mario/Crono 3 with Magus taking it.

Yuna and Rinoa being two other examples to go along with Colette.

Um, no. Colette is the entire focus of Tales of Symphonia, from start to finish. It doesn't matter who the "main" character is (which you define as nothing more than the character you're controlling, which is ridiculous) if they have little part in the main story. At best, you can say that Lloyd and Colette are equal.

Yuna and Rinoa are also bad examples.

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OoT Ganon looked more brownish-green than black.
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People who HAVEN'T played GTA:San Andreas at least know who CJ is, and that might work wonders against someone like Ness as people might still vote for CJ regardless of if they have actually played the game.

Eh, I haven't known who CJ is before the bracket was released. How does everyone else does? What, I've been living under a rock, now?
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Wow someone else who believes that Old School Square doesnt SFF with New School Square. Welcome to the small club.
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"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

I didn't say he was African: I said he was black.

>__>

Although he's actually green.
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unbelievably enormous lengths to convince themselves of the numbers lining up

Once again, it doesn't take that much effort to make it line up.

And no, Colette isn't the focus from start to finish. The end of the game is much more focused on Lloyd, Kratos, and Mithos.
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Kratos was always the side character whos single purpose was to show a different side to Lloyd.
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Isn't Ganon blue?
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My biggest predictions: Mario over Samus, Alucard over Sora, Magus over Dante.

That's what, the last 5% of the game at most?

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In the 2D Zeldas.

Either way, he's not white and he's humanoid and he does fine for himself.
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You said from start to finish. The game does not finish focusing on Colette. Thus, you're wrong.
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The only people picking Squall to beat Magus are a couple of delusional fans who have to go to unbelievably enormous lengths to convince themselves of the numbers lining up.

"Unbelievably enormous lengths"? I think not. Magus being overrated in the stats is not something you have to go to great lengths to figure out. Nearly everytime Magus faces someone and his 2003 strength is used, the characters he faced end up being far stronger than they should. The following years this becomes apparent as they fail miserably. Sam Fisher and Luca Blight both are perfect examples of that.

Squall over Magus is obviously not the "safe pick" or the most likely outcome, but there is still plenty of reasons to take it and not being under the title of "delusional." If you believe Magus has remained the same, or somehow increased, despite how there's evidence to suggest otherwise go ahead. There's no guarantee he stayed the same, there's no guarantee he went down. But don't stretch it like that; it does not require stretching things to make Magus drop.

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