I did forget Mario, but the just enforces the point that FFVII characters are not ones to just go out to anybody.

Oh, and I didn't count them beating each other, such as Cloud and Sephiroth.

But if you look, who is Tifa looking to lose to? Sonic. Who can Vincent make it to and lose? Crono. Just a little something I caught.

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Laguna Loire

Vincent won't make it past Magus, and he wouldn't even make it past Squall.
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Who can Vincent make it to and lose? Crono.

Or Terra, or Magus, or Squall.
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SC2K5 Elite Eight: Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot

Vincent won't make it past Magus, and he wouldn't even make it past Squall.

Of course he won't make it past Magus, because Magus isn't going to face him; Squall is.

Or Terra, or Magus, or Squall.

Terra?! Bwa, ha, ha, ha! That's gold right there. But the other two you do have a case for.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

Vincent is losing to Magus.(Who is still pretty elite)

If Terra can beat Dante, I don't see the problem with her beating Vincent.
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SC2K5 Elite Eight: Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot

But she isn't going to beat Dante. And even if she did, that does not mean she'll beat Vincent, who wouldn't have a problem with Dante.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

Vincent is the destroyer of worlds. He will lose to Crono.

In my crazy upset bracket, of course. It has Mega Man winning the contest.
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There is no lawyer.

No one from Zero Wing has lost to a character capable of getting less than 30% on Link (at the time of the loss). ZIG FOR SC2K6!!!
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

There is a big difference between Collete and Terra you know. A lot of people actually like Terra.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

I think Dante will beat Vincent. FFVII or not if it wasn't for Vincents cool look he would have been more useless than Cait Sith, the only reason I picked him to beat Kerrigan is that is don't see Kerrigan being stronger than Diablo, and Vincent has to be a little stronger than Kefka.

I expect Vincent to be around Knuckles level, and that's not above Dante. I don't think Tifa will be that much stronger than Vincent either, but she doesn't have to be to move past Vyse and Luigi.

Anyway Magus or Squall are the only ones who can win the Devil Division.
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My biggest predictions: Mario over Samus, Alucard over Sora, Magus over Dante.

Anyway Magus or Squall are the only ones who can win the Devil Division.

You'd be a fool to not have Vincent in there. There's no way he's going to rank slightly above Kefka and around Knuckles level. I have no idea why you would think he'd rank much lower than Aeris, ditto for Tifa.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

I cant believe there are people believing Aeris is THAT much stronger than Tifa.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

I'm taking Magus to win the division, but you can't count out Squall or Vincent. Really shouldn't even count out Terra, either, but I've debated that one in my head enough for me not to wanna get into that discussion again.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Knuckles
Serious Reminder: Vote for Tifa Lockheart, too

Yeah, Aeris will be lucky to be AS strong as Tifa. Should Aeris happen to be stronger though, I'd only expect it to be marginally stronger.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Knuckles
Serious Reminder: Vote for Tifa Lockheart, too

If Terra was facing a character like Vincent in the second round that wasnt from the FF Series, I might have to think but I still take Vincent. Just because I see Vincent having a much higher range up and down than Terra does. But I doubt the FF fanbase will allow its golden child to lose to any other FF character.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

The only thing that will suck if Magus wins this division is we are going to have to rely on Knuckles staying equal because the chances of SFF among the other characters really skews how we can judge that bracket.

Actually it be worst with Squall then we have: Unknown possible SFF, known possible SFF, unknown certain SFF, and known possible SFF.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Poor Knuckles...really. Why does always have to happen to him? :-(
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Then throw in yearly variations just to screw it up even more.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Knuckles
Serious Reminder: Vote for Tifa Lockheart, too

I looked up the old favorite FF poll from last year to try to see something about Cecil. I thought FFIV would probably be sixth but fairly close to FFIX. It was seventh and beaten out by FFIII. How is that possible? Did people just vote for FFIII thinking it was FFVI?
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

It's possible that they voted for FFII and FFIII thinking they were FFIV and FFVI.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

If we were talking about Vincent/Dante taking place next summer, I'd be far more likely to take Vincent to win. But right now...I just don't know. I think that Vincent is a somewhat polarizing character: his fanbase strongly supports him, but there are also a lot of people that he simply doesn't appeal to. I also think that Vincent's "dark and mysterious" schtick simply won't work as well for him against Dante as it would against 'most everyone else in the bracket.
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I just cant understand how a game thats never been released in the US can be more popular than FFIV. Even through nefarious means.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Seeing Vincent fall to Kerrigan will be the sweetest thing to happen in one of these contests since...well...umm...it just dont get sweeter.

The tears of the fanboys will flow so free...
The hearts of the kiddies will break indeed....
The dreams of the babies will no longer shine...
As leaderboard glory will soon be mine...

Ah, such talent :) Shoulda been Aeris...or Palmer...instead we get Vinny...alas he will die a quick death...

*Palmer for 2006*
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I Refuse to rule out that Kerrigan could win. Its extremely unlikely, but never doubt anything from Blizzard.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

If you ask me steve, you're just like everyone else who's scared to go with a cookie-cutter bracket. X_x

What do you see in Kerrigan so much that she can beat Vincent?
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Maybe because a cookie cuter has never happenend and definitely wont happen this year

I'm so praying Vincent loses to Kerrigan first round... even if I don't have that in my bracket. It's too much fun watching HM fail miserably.

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Cheer up Emo kids. ~This sig was pimped by Icon's sig~

Actually Cloud losing would probably break his heart more. He has been talking about that for a year.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

I Refuse to rule out that Kerrigan could win. Its extremely unlikely, but never doubt anything from Blizzard.

Likewise, FF7 is a force to be reckoned with as well. Look, I'm not ruling out anything either. I think it's starting to look like to me that people saw the BOP stats and ****-ride it like groupies on a pimp. The BOP stats look reliable on paper, but something will go horribly wrong, I can feel it. Kefka's one of them.
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Kefka? The only underdog who's reasonably close to his opponent? The guy who's overestimated year in, year out?
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I'm sorta worried about Crono vs Kefka myself.
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SC2K5 Elite Eight: Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot

Sir Crono would enjoy actually hitting 80% on Kefka this time instead of coming just short.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
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I still think that Ganondorf/Auron is the match that people are just flat-out blanking on. I'll admit that the 2K3 tournament likely made the Square characters look better than they should (thanks to KHF, or whatever you want to blame it on), but I don't think you can completely write off the fact that Tidus broke 49% on Ganondorf. If Auron isn't stronger than Tidus, I'll eat my hat.
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Im not convinced that Auron IS stronger than Tidus. Face it, something went horribly wrong in Mega Man vs Tidus, because there is no way two very legit characters could make such a drop.

Now do I think Auron is stronger than Tidus? Yes, mostly because I think Tidus is weaker, which is why I put Bowser over him. Do I think Ganondorf is stronger than he was in 2003? Yes. I just cant see Link getting a 3% increase and the villian and princess, who are all but tied hand and foot to him, dont see any of that.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

I just cant see Link getting a 3% increase and the villian and princess, who are all but tied hand and foot to him, dont see any of that.

Ganondorf didn't show me that he got any of that in the Spring Contest. Twilight Princess hype might have gotten new voters for Link, but there was virtually nothing for Zelda and absolutely nothing for Ganondorf. I don't see why they would get anything from it.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
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It's really weird seeing Sephiroth above Cloud in the BOP.
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Volgin is one sexy beast....

How did the Spring Contest show you that Ganondorf got none of it? Despite doing extremely well despite a CATS overperformance?


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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Despite doing extremely well despite a CATS overperformance?

Prove it.

And if Ganondorf got an increase, then Bowser grew even more because their gap's much closer than it was before. I ain't buying an increase.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Prove it didnt happen. Come on people come to this board see CATS a joke character fairly close or leading another character, "OMG CATS COULD WIN" happens. You cant tell me that didn't happen to this board and there are reasons to believe that people who know the joke beyond this board would of been more likely to vote CATS in a close match.

So what did happen? You cant just say Sephiroth underperformed that badly.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Ganon showed no signs of an increase worth noting. Even by RPGuy's calculations, Ganon's increase is marginal at best.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

So what did happen? You cant just say Sephiroth underperformed that badly.

Well, unless I want to say that Bowser's really close to Mario, I think I can. Either that, or I can say that the Spring Contest results are too contradictory to take into any serious consideration.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

So what did happen? You cant just say Sephiroth underperformed that badly.

The most logical thing is to go with Sephiroth decreasing to near even with Samus, Bowser receive an increase, and Ganon staying pretty much the same. That's if you put anything into the results from the spring.

There was a lot that happened to make one want to ignore what happened during the villain contest.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

It's easier to believe in Sephiroth decreasing than both Ganon and Bowser having massive increases.
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Light is but a farewell gift from the darkness to those on their way to die. ~The Boss
ZSB [aX]

Ganondorf did stronger against Sephiroth in SPC2K5 than Bowser did.

Also, in SC2K3, Ganondorf broke 49.5% against Magus.

Ganon seems too good on paper.
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Even if Ganondorf stayed the same, Auron is going to have to suffer around 20% SFF againist both Cloud and Sephiroth. The only way that could happen is if you assume Tails dropped quite a bit from 2k3 to 2k4.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Even if Ganondorf stayed the same, Auron is going to have to suffer around 20% SFF againist both Cloud and Sephiroth. The only way that could happen is if you assume Tails dropped quite a bit from 2k3 to 2k4.

If you base him on Tails, Auron's within reach of Ganondorf. If you base him on Scorpion, he's above Magus.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

What Leonhart said. He suffered some sort of SFF against Cloud and Sephiroth. If you use Scorpion or Tails, both making Auron over Ganon very realistic.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

Well, unless I want to say that Bowser's really close to Mario, I think I can. Either that, or I can say that the Spring Contest results are too contradictory to take into any serious consideration.

Right. I highly doubt that Sephiroth would beat Mario like that again. This isn't 2k3 anymore. Sephiroth isn't as strong as he was back then.

Speaking of Seph though, I wonder how he would actually perform in an actual close match (Cloud doesn't count). We have no idea how his supporters would rally if he was in danger of losing a match. Also, why won't the Cloud/Link poll update work? I was curious about something....
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Although...if Ganondorf did benefit from that increase...Then that means that Alucard, Kirby, and Bomberman suffered more against Sephiroth than we thought they did. That means Squall looks even BETTER against Magus.

It also means Alucard beats Sora easily, too.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno