Still, this is only 47 votes, so you can't draw TOO much from this.

You can't draw anything in it. Have a Crono/Magus poll on the board and watch Magus win in a landslide. Now watch them go at it in a contest setting, and the result is a little different.

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
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As others have said, that wouldn't make any sense.

Neither does having the last match in the main bracket serve as the tiebreaker, but he's doing it anyway.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

You can't draw anything in it. Have a Crono/Magus poll on the board and watch Magus win in a landslide. Now watch them go at it in a contest setting, and the result is a little different.

No **** sherlock! This was just a tally so far of the results for those who were interested. You would have to be an idiot to use those results to base a bracket decision on. The fact of the matter though is even without that mini-poll, there's still nothing to convince me that Terra would be significantly stronger than Kefka and the rest of the FFVI cast.
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Had Terra begun her contest career at the same time as Kefka, there's no doubt in my mind that she'd be the stronger of the two. However, with this being her first time and with the picture she's going to get stuck with, this will be 2003 Kefka all over again.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Oh, I have no doubt that Terra probably will be stronger than Kefka. Nobody who is not a fan of Kefka would vote for him, which was probably the reason Pac-Man did so well against him (higher vote totals + first contest appearance + bad picture = possibly more people that did not know who he was). Terra at least has a look that at least would make someone WANT to vote for her depending on her competition.

But Lucid has been implying that the relationship between Kefka and Terra could possibly be similar to that between Vivi and Kuja or other hero/villain combinations. And I don't agree with that at all, especially since there is no major focus on one character in that game. A lot of the characters are well liked in that game, including Kefka. So if the other characters in that game WERE stronger than Kefka, I don't think it would be by that much....
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I'm supporting Master Chief for the win...

...over Crono.

I think I said this before, but the chances of this happening are very slim.

However, if it does happen, not only is my bracket screwed, but MC could have a very big shot at winning the finals. As far as "adult"(note the quotes) gamers go, I think many that would have voted for samus in the normal case will vote for MC.

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KingBartz: Been a full Virgin since '87

I also disagree with Lucid about Terra being stronger than Kefka due to her being the focus of most the game. There are exceptions to that rule, such as Colette definitely not being the strongest character from Tales of Symphonia.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

I also wouldn't say Terra's the primary focus by a very large margin. In the World of Ruin she is one of the characters least focused on. World of Balance, I'll give you that. But in either case, she's not focused on by a huge enough margin to make a difference.
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Raiden fact of the contest: Alucard is a plagiarist, this year Raiden will prove it!

The tiebreaker is based on the last match of the 64-bracket because that is the 2005 championship match. Look at all the wording. The TOC is BONUS points, etc. This years champion will be crowned inside the 64-bracket. The TOC is an add-on to decide which champion is the best - not to decide this years champion. Link, Cloud or Sephiroth cannot be the 2005 Summer champion.


So if that makes sense, thats why the tiebreaker is back there. I'm not sure if I like the TOC giving points either... But maybe it adds more meaning to the 3 matches to bracket-makers than if it weren't really worth anything after the contest has been decided already.

In my book, whoever wins the main bracket ends up with a worthless title, because she (or he) didn't have to fight the strongest for it. The real championship is in the ToC.

Whatever Samus or Crono end up with pretty much equates to consider Banjo-Kazooie beaten after Grunty's Furnace Fun. "But... they rolled the credits and everything!"
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

Slow, your finals look very screwed from what I see. =X
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SC2K5 Elite Eight: Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot

I think that the Master Chief/Donkey Kong match will be a good deal closer than the Crono/Master Chief match, but maybe that's just me.
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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO...Pac-Man?

i'm currently laughing at my friends because of their actual brackets.
one of them genuinely believes gordon freeman will win his division, has crono and magus out in round 1 and has cj beating zero and has mater chief winning the contest because of halo two. and when i said MC lost to a frog he started saying this site cheated
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

Harrich, I want to hear your reasoning for Master Cheif over Crono.

I said I support MC over Crono, and I definitely do; he's got my vote. No way in hell I'm actually picking MC to beat Crono. =P
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

when i said MC lost to a frog he started saying this site cheated

Ironic, ain't it?
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SC2K5 Elite Eight: Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot

From: Shadowdude II | Posted: 7/2/2005 9:58:38 AM | #061
Slow, your finals look very screwed from what I see. =X

Says the guy with Frog, Knuckles and Ocelot in the Elite 8...
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

funny how thgis board has gone from giving full backing to kerrigan to abandonning her.heck she gets mentionned as much as big boss now
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

That's because she is up against an opponent who she cannot beat.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

That's because come on, she's up against ****ing Vincent. I don't think he'll be half the powerhouse people think he'll be, but it's still FF7, somewhere. I think she'll be getting many actual votes from this place, however.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

Vincent won't make it past Terra.
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SC2K5 Elite Eight: Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot

My memories a bit hazy, Ulti, but when did you start this thing? Part 1, I mean.
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Vocabulary: "This is major lunch, this is stool approaching critical mass, this is-this is total vocabulary failure!

Yeah; if Kerrigan and Magus/Luigi/Kratos Aurion/Laharl/several others had switched places, you can guarantee that there'd be lots of Kerrigan talk. As-is though, nope...don't count on much more, either.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Knuckles
Serious Reminder: Vote for Tifa Lockheart, too

The answer is simple. He didn't start it. Solarshadow did.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

Terra might not take it past Dante, if my bracket has anything to say about it. That's the first-round match I'm most scared of though.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Knuckles
Serious Reminder: Vote for Tifa Lockheart, too

Terra won't make it past Dante.

Then again, I just may be overestimating the good taste of this site. Again.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

Slow, can I have a link to the Odds Proj?
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SC2K5 Elite Eight: Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot

From: Shadowdude II | Posted: 7/2/2005 10:39:11 AM | #076
Slow, can I have a link to the Odds Proj?

http://www.freewebs.com/slowflake/sc2k5.xls
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

Vincent won't make it past Terra.

Your whole bracket is screwed up.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

http://www.freewebs.com/slowflake/sc2k5.xls
Actually I wanted to submit my bracket for the BOP, if it's still open...

Your whole bracket is screwed up.
I must admit, this bracket is looking about as sturdy as my SpC2K4 one.
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SC2K5 Elite Eight: Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot

From: Shadowdude II | Posted: 7/2/2005 10:43:52 AM | #079
Actually I wanted to submit my bracket for the BOP, if it's still open...

Well, you could do so, but if it's a favorites bracket... what I'm asking for is who you genuinely think will win. And I'm having trouble with how can one genuinely think Frog will beat Samus.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

On the contrary, I'm very confident that this'll be my contest.

Not really, but it's still a serious bracket.
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SC2K5 Elite Eight: Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot

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BTW, Slow, I had Frog beating Solid Snake last year. So you never know. =x
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SC2K5 Elite Eight: Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot

SERIOUS? You have the heavy favorite of the main bracket losing in round 2, and call it serious? Well I'm surprised... go ahead and submit it, but bah gawd, will the stats look screwed up after that. Well, I guess it's not too bad, unless you have Knuckles going all the way...

...oh, and I want you to have a look at the bracket some guy submitted. This is obviously a faves bracket, look at all the insane upsets... and Freeman in the Sweet 16 is a dead giveaway anyway.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a68/JRDeBo/braketfinal.gif
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

I also disagree with Lucid about Terra being stronger than Kefka due to her being the focus of most the game. There are exceptions to that rule, such as Colette definitely not being the strongest character from Tales of Symphonia.


I think you're missing the point. Nobody's saying Terra would be the most popular character because she's the focus of most of the game. (Yuna and Rinoa being two other examples to go along with Colette.) We're saying Terra is the most popular because she's the main character, which we determined by sying that she's the focus of most of the game, which in Final Fantasy VI is all you can go by when it comes to determining a main character.

For what it's worth I disagree that Colette is the focus of TOS; I would go with Lloyd, the main character. She's probably the most important character in the game, but that doesn't mean she is the focus of the game. Aeris is probably the most important character in FFVII, but she's gone after Disc 1. IMO, the focus of a game is always around the main character, but I'll agree to disagree for now.
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"Heh Heh... The wind... It is blowing..."--Ganondorf Dragmire

The focus of most of the game actually is around Colette. She takes up the spotlight for a good majority of the game, but I wouldn't necessarily say that she is the focus. Even with that, it takes more than being a prominent/important figure in a game to get votes if you are not the main character. You actually need to be likable, or liked by the people who have played the game. This is a big reason why I'm projecting Kratos to be above Lloyd, although not by much.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

This bracket is tough. I had to go with my gut or my favorites in some cases. I can't have Crono lose if he can win.
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SC2K5 Elite Eight: Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot

3 Ganondorf Dragmire 62
2 Auron 16

That's rather shocking, I have to say.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

The focus of most of the game actually is around Colette. She takes up the spotlight for a good majority of the game, but I wouldn't necessarily say that she is the focus.

This is what I was trying to say. Not sure if you were agreeing with me or not.
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"Heh Heh... The wind... It is blowing..."--Ganondorf Dragmire

Yeah, there's quite afew matches that ought to be closer...not just Ganon/Auron.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Knuckles
Serious Reminder: Vote for Tifa Lockheart, too

I went from disagreeing to slightly agreeing. It's hard to really say that Colette wasn't the focus of the game, but it does start fading as you get into the later parts.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

Hmm....seems like Vercetti/Kefka will end up 50/50 in the end.

I'm quite confident in my Sora pick now, but it's still a toss-up match.

Vincent over Dante seems to have gotten alot more popular since I last checked.
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SC2K5: Samus is going all the way!

That's rather shocking, I have to say.

The upset is quite sexy, but most people aren't willing to take it.
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SC2K5 Elite Eight: Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot

BTW Slow, I sent it in.
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SC2K5 Elite Eight: Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot

The upset is quite sexy, but most people aren't willing to take it.

Indeed. They'll regret not taking it later on.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

Auron always deserves a second look, but Ganondorf is just too damn strong.
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There is no lawyer.

You know, I just realized that Final Fantasy VII characters have only lost to those "elite" set of characters.

From what I gathered, the only characters in the contest to beat an FFVII character were Solid Snake, Sonic, and Link.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

And Mario >_>
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Light is but a farewell gift from the darkness to those on their way to die. ~The Boss
ZSB [aX]

And Cloud =D
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SC2K5 Elite Eight: Mario, Frog, Snake, Tidus, Crono, Knuckles, Sonic, Ocelot