Things remembered when one is asleep...Things forgotten when one is awake...
Where the deepest layers of memories become the outmost layers of one's
dreams... Which are reality? Which are illusions? One cannot tell until one
awakes... Or perhaps they are, at the same time, both Truth and fiction...



*Creativename's websites*

Everything you could ever imagine:
http://www.sc2k5.com
http://www.sc2k4.com

Summer 2002 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/1

Summer 2003 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/2

Spring 2004 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/3

Summer 2004 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/4

Summer 2005 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/5

Sortable Table for Every Contest Match:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/19



*Extrapolated Standings*

Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/11

Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

Summer 2002 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/13

Summer 2003 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/14

Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/15

SFF Adjusted Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/16

Summer 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/17

SFF Adjusted Summer 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/18

Spring 2005 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/27



*Solarshadow's Sites*

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html

Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html



*Old Stats topics*

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)

2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.

Spring 2004 Pre-Season (Chance the number after "Season" to view other pages; there are three of them):
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm

Spring 2004 Contest (Change the number after "Stats" to view other pages; there are eight of them):
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm



*Match Pictures*

Summer 2002 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15

Summer 2003 Match Pictures:
www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario0/contestpictures.htm

Spring 2004 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17

Summer 2004 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18



*Miscellaneous*

Creativename's Page of Links:
http://sc2k4.com/links.php

MMXcalibur's Contest Sites:
http://prophetchallenge.hyperboards2.com/index.cgi
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/

Poll Vote Total Updater:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/25

All Time Top 25/Top 10 Lists:
http://www.rpgdl.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3251



!yawa tsoP

Now it's clear and I know what I have to do
I must take you down there to look at them too
Hand in hand then we'll jump right into the pool
Can't you see not just me they want you too.

Oh.....we'll drown together
It.....will be forever.

---
2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

That quote sounds familiar... I'm going to feel like an idiot when someone says where it's from.
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Light is but a farewell gift from the darkness to those on their way to die. ~The Boss
ZSB [aX]

Iron Maiden song
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Jesus: For my next miracle, I will turn water... into FUNK.

Ah.
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Light is but a farewell gift from the darkness to those on their way to die. ~The Boss
ZSB [aX]

I like for people to guess where my quotes are from (the mushroom one was the Rogue from Diablo), but I can't pinpoint the one Lucid just posted.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

The road begins here...
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

I'm happy to say that the gallery is finally working. Turns out there was some issue with an entry in my httpd.conf file that was trying to block DoS attacks; but this was messing things up because a gallery file requires a lot of quick requests, so the computers things some sort of attack is going on.

Here is the gallery:
http://www.sc2k5.com/gallery

It uses the Coppermine script, which now that I've seen it work I am very impressed with.
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www.SC2K5.com

omg early
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Trainer: Clinkeroth, do mega fanboy attack!
Clinkeroth: CLINKEROTH! ~Pibb of Truth

Squall > Magus.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

Sonic > Mega Man
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The King of all Cosmos' route to summer victory:
Round 1: (4) Tidus... LET ME DREAM :

<tag>This year's bracket is sure as hell harder than last year's.</tag>

---
Posts without a sig looks ugly, so I guess I need something here.

Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it.

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
YoBlazer(33) & Robotnik pwned my (Ro)butt in Sp2k5

lolready?
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Yoblazer did rather well in the guru contest.
Rather well, indeed.

creative, 2002 is missing Jill/Kirby, Link/Little Mac, and Sonic/Harry.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Link > All
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Commander of The Link Army
Blades will bleed... Shields will shatter... and Link shall WIN... AGAIN!

It has always been missing those pictures. Nobody has them.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

Vivi > Zelda
Ryu > Bowser
Tommy Vercetti > Kefka

My 3 controversial predictions.
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Spring Contest 2005 - 68/80 points
"Not even death can save you from me" - Diablo

Well I'll be darned.

~*ST*~
---
Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

From: Draco1214 | Posted: 6/30/2005 12:42:55 AM | #018
Vivi > Zelda
Ryu > Bowser
Tommy Vercetti > Kefka

My 3 controversial predictions.

You expect controversy over that? The first two are ridiculously hard to call, and the third's a given.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

and the third's a given.

No.
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

Yes.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

Oh yeah.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Yeah, I mean, it's as if half the board got drunk just before typing in "Vercetti" when submitting in the BOP.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

...

No.
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

Listen. If someone, anyone, is going to get delusional about Kefka's chances in a match, it's me. And I STILL have him losing.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

It might not be a given, but Vercetti is the favorite to win. Kefka has yet to show me he can beat somebody who's worth anything.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

It's not worth much, but how do you guys feel about Tifa vs. Luigi?
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For you, the day that General Bison destroyed your bracket was the most important day of your life. But for him... it was Friday. --Phoenix Flattener

So Kefka's considered an upset now?

Well, I guess there's one upset I'm taking.
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Moltar's Comics - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar (GAC)
SC2K5: Samus is going all the way!

From: TheNintendoPurist | Posted: 6/29/2005 11:55:44 PM | #028
It's not worth much, but how do you guys feel about Tifa vs. Luigi?

Luigi is going to have a tough time getting past KOS-MOS. Tifa is in a whole 'nother league.
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Moltar's Comics - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar (GAC)
SC2K5: Samus is going all the way!

Luigi will be lucky to beat a busty female from a non-Square RPG. He has no chance to beat THE busty female from THE Square RPG.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

So Kefka's considered an upset now?

Purely going by the stats, Vercetti should win comfortably.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

I'm banking on a Vercetti drop, combined with a un-explained Kefka increase.

I mean, he DID increase from 2003 to 2004 for no reason.
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Moltar's Comics - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar (GAC)
SC2K5: Samus is going all the way!

I've just looked through my bracket again, and there are quite a few matches that could be upset (Sonic/MM, Kefka/Vercetti, Kennedy/Freeman, etc) but I think the only matches that are really, truly hard to call and could be 10% slide in either direction are those with Mario.

Mario v. Samus I can see going as much as 57/43 either way, though right now I'm thinking Mario wins with 54% of the vote if he can indeed swing it. Samus, if she does close out the Italian Stallion, should have not so much trouble dispatching Crono, I bet she would win 53-47. Now, if Mario does SFF Samus, and I'm thinking he will, he will have an epiec battle with Crono....but, all things considered, I think Mario will pull it out in the big-match situation and the Nintendo fanboys will stuff him to victory. (I happen to know a friend who uh, knows a friend that knew a guy who voted for Mario 138 times in Mario v Crono II, so without him Crono would have won...fun fact.)
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Summer Contest 2005 Winner: Mario
Mario will SFF Samus, and pull it out against Crono.

I mean, he DID increase from 2003 to 2004 for no reason.

Or did he?

Besides, we already saw Kefka in the Spring Contest, and he looked the same. You're expecting an unexplained increase from Spring to Summer.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

In regards to my final: Is it possible for Crono to beat Samus? (I currently have Crono over Samus)
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Spring Contest 2005 - 68/80 points
"Not even death can save you from me" - Diablo

epic*
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Summer Contest 2005 Winner: Mario
Mario will SFF Samus, and pull it out against Crono.

Mario > Samus is too far of a stretch.

Kefka > Vercetti is also a stretch, but not as much as above.

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Posts without a sig looks ugly, so I guess I need something here.

My picks for upsets:

*Auron over Yuna
*Tidus over Cecil
*Luigi over Sonic
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Board 8's Best Female Summer Contest Guru

Luigi over Sonic? He lost to Squall 40/60, remember? Try Tifa over Sonic...she might have the slightest inkling of a shot at upsetting.

You meant...Auron over Ganondorf, right? So-so chances...

Cecil over Kirby's the upset, not Tidus over Cecil...


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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Going from nearly equal to Pac-Man to getting 43% on Knuckles is not an increase?

I also know GTA:SA could help out Vercetti along with CJ, but I'm taking a risk there.
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Moltar's Comics - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar (GAC)
SC2K5: Samus is going all the way!

My picks for upsets:

*Auron over Yuna
*Tidus over Cecil
*Luigi over Sonic

- Auron is definitely stronger than Yuna, but Yuna getting there by itself is indeed an upset pick.
- <Replace Auron with Tidus and Yuna with Cecil>
- Now THAT is an upset pick.

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Posts without a sig looks ugly, so I guess I need something here.

Going from nearly equal to Pac-Man to getting 43% on Knuckles is not an increase?

Nope, since that's what Kefka would have been expected to get if there had been SFF against Crono. The only problem is that nobody accounted for Pac-Man getting done over by Luigi, thus making the gap between him and Kefka look bigger than it should. Pac-Man will give Ocelot a good fight, believe you me.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

Speaking of close matches...

Samus/Zelda: Zelda has the name, Samus has the fame. Too close to call, but I'm going with Samus. Of course, this assumes Rikku doesn't upset Zelda.

Master Chief/Vincent: Halo 2 VS FF7. I have Master Chief going to the finals, but Vincent is his biggest threat until then.

Sonic/Luigi: This is going to be deadly. Sure, Luigi has the sudden Nintendo boost and angry Kratos anti-voters, but will it be enough to take down Sonic?

Other than that, there's only a few tense spots (Samus/Zero, Master Chief/Vercetti, Zelda/Rikku, Samus/Master Chief) and the rest is smooth sailing.
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Board 8's Best Female Summer Contest Guru

What is up with people doubting Sonic? Yes, he didn't perform as expected on Samus last year and got crushed by Cloud the year prior...but Luigi beating him? No.
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Today's subliminal thought is:

Going from nearly equal to Pac-Man to getting 43% on Knuckles is not an increase?

Kefka did increase a bit from '03 to '04, but most likely not from '04 to Sp2K5. Also, no matter how you look at it, Vercetti's clearly ahead of Kefka in the SC2K4 standings as they were both in the 20XX division.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

The only problem is that nobody accounted for Pac-Man getting done over by Luigi, thus making the gap between him and Kefka look bigger than it should.

No way I'm going to believe 2003 Pac-Man = 2004 Pac-Man. Pac-Man fell like a rock between the years, while Kefka increased. Pac-Man is going to keep falling too, and Ocelot will win comfortably.

How much SFF did Crono get on Kefka, anyway?
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Moltar's Comics - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar (GAC)
SC2K5: Samus is going all the way!

As I said, I'm still up in the air about my Kefka pick, since this is the match that is truly bothering me the most right now.

Thanks to you both for your help though. Might make my final decision easier.
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Moltar's Comics - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar (GAC)
SC2K5: Samus is going all the way!

What's wrong with the idea of Pac-Man being constant? I wouldn't expect him to undergo radical shifts (like he supposedly did against Luigi, who made it look like there was no SFF in Kefka/Crono).
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

Come to think of it, you COULD argue Kefka has a chance against Vercetti if there was no 20XX factor. That could mean: Kefka didn't budge between SC2K3 and SC2K4, and Kefka increased between SC2K4 and Sp2K5, giving an argument to put him over Vercetti...

Wouldn't bet on that, though.

Crono should've gotten about 73% against Kefka without SFF if Pac-Man was the same in SC2K3 as in SC2K2.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

I highly doubt Vercetti is as strong as he was one year ago.

---
2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

Vercetti will drop a bit, but not enough for Kefka to win.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

Vote for Pac-man.... it'll make Ocelot look even weaker...
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Vote for Yoshi
You have no chance to survive make your time.

I highly doubt Vercetti is as strong as he was one year ago.

That's what I think too.
---
"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/detail.php?board=8&topic=21881210&message=236517651
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

I like how me and Lucid are thinking alike on some of these risks.
---
Moltar's Comics - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar (GAC)
SC2K5: Samus is going all the way!

It's Grand Theft Auto. Vercetti should get like 45% on Master Chief after he destroys Zidane.

And Ocelot/Pac-Man's one point anyway. Yoshi fodder, nothing more. Go with Ocelot, as MGS fanboys are more desperate to see one of their characters win something.
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Board 8's Best Female Summer Contest Guru

The chances of Kefka getting anything other than Lettuce or Clown in round 1 against Vercetti are slim to none.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

I'm going through each match and analyzing, if anyone is interested.

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=21881210

Most of the first round is really easy, but there are a few worth reading.
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

The chances of Kefka getting anything other than Lettuce or Clown in round 1 against Vercetti are slim to none.

Yeah, but IF he got the angel, I wouldn't worry at all. Without it, I still think he'll win, but he'll be worrying me.
---
"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

My biggest upset pick? Like I've said before.

The chick from the Starcraft box will beat some overrated, optional goth who sucks in battle that I've never heard of.

I don't care how much some people of Board 8 promote him, I can't take some one I've never even heard mention of. I've even heard of Cait Sith several times, and he sucks (from what I'm told). But Vincent, not even on the radar. Until about two weeks ago, I didn't even know there was a Vincent.
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"If you were a man, it would be go time now."
"No, if you were a man, you wouldn't be afraid of a little kitty cat!" - Bucky Katt

Alucard v Sora

Who ya got?
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Summer Contest 2005 Winner: Mario
Mario will SFF Samus, and pull it out against Crono.

Alucard, because he's clearly worth 29.75% against 2K3 Link. Hahaha...

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

I've got Sora over Alucard.
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Spring Contest 2005 - 68/80 points
"Not even death can save you from me" - Diablo

Sora, but it's my 2nd hardest to decide match.
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Moltar's Comics - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar (GAC)
SC2K5: Samus is going all the way!

I'm not telling...

Mostly because I'm unsure, but I don't really want to reveal too much of my bracket.
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It's just not the same without this name.
Faithful supporter of Squall Leonhart in SC2K5

Sora, and I'm pretty confident on that.
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

Sora...I think.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

Ya know, thinking about it, I don't see the point in keeping your bracket secret. Who is really going to change their picks because one person disagrees with them?
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

Nobody, really. I just don't want to end up second-guessing myself more than anything.
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It's just not the same without this name.
Faithful supporter of Squall Leonhart in SC2K5

I've got Sora
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Vote for Yoshi
You have no chance to survive make your time.

Showin' picks is one thing; arguing for/against them is another. With that said, I've got a solid track-record this past year or so, so I tend to keep 'em secret...but I plan to have some fun tomorrow; I've finished my bracket and predictions, so tomorrow I'm gonna try to start and finish x-stats based off of my predictions.

That'll be interesting.....
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

Ya know, thinking about it, I don't see the point in keeping your bracket secret. Who is really going to change their picks because one person disagrees with them?

You'd be surprised. That's why I'm probably not going to mention any of my picks either, even though I'm almost certain that nobody would change anything on my account. My bracket is mine, and I'd prefer if it didn't become a few dozen other people's.
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It's gender-confused fun in Godlike, as Altima duels Kuja at www.rpgdl.com!

Well, I just don't want to end up getting into an argument over some of my risks (when some people go, "What are you thinking, dude?") and wind up second-guessing myself is all.
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It's just not the same without this name.
Faithful supporter of Squall Leonhart in SC2K5

Well, we can see if people actually do that, seeing as I have a topic that is going to reveal my whole bracket over the next few days. Although, someone DID change their Kratos vs Alucard pick due to me. Oops. >>;
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

The worst foe lies within the self.

Oh, and Mario vs. Samus is bothering me.

Oh, and Mario vs. Samus is bothering me.

Rightfully so.
---
"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

I had somebody blame it on me for why they took Mega Man to win it all last year...and I still don't know why; I had Link winning it all, heh.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

Ha, they must have mistaken you for HM.
---
"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

Hope so, heh. Doesn't bother me much either way though.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

Yeah, but IF he got the angel, I wouldn't worry at all. Without it, I still think he'll win, but he'll be worrying me.

It's usually artwork the first round, sprites/in-game models come the second round.
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Today's subliminal thought is:

Why are people thinking that Vercetti would be significantly weaker? You think that the people that voted for him before would NOT vote for him now due to San Andreas being out? That's ridiculous. Before, I said that Tommy might not get NOMINATION support due to San Andreas being released. But the mere sight of Tommy being IN this contest is an indication that he still has his fans.

The only way Tommy gets hurt by San Andreas is by voters new to the contest who don't know who he is, and don't have Vice City as the dominant game seen everywhere that would help Vercetti's recognition. Other than that, the same people that would vote CJ would most likely vote for Tommy. If anything, Tommy will probably be stronger than CJ for the mere fact that, in general, mobster/mafia > gangsta in terms of popularity. Don't be surprised if that is the case...
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Well said, mnm. Vercetti's not goin' to be weaker, and IF by some off-chance he is, Kefka better pray to some ANGELS that he can take advantage of the situation.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

Let me just say this: I_Dont_Love_You seems like the perfect archetype of the casual bracketmaker who has no idea whatsoever what he's doing.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

Don't flame the man. His picks could be right. Calling him the casual bracket maker who doesn't know what he is doing is just wrong. Respect his bracket and focus on yours.
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May 05 NPD Sales - PSP - 250k. DS - 81k.
PSP trumps DS by more than 3x in sales. R.I.P. DS

Dude, this isn't Yahoo. That bracket's going to look like a failed zero attempt on the leaderboard.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

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Listen. If someone, anyone, is going to get delusional about Kefka's chances in a match, it's me. And I STILL have him losing.

Just like Diablo, ya? >_>
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ZSB [aX]

Steve Illumina said in 145 or 146 that he wanted in, so I'm adding him to the list.

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Ngamer64
3 - yoblazer33
4 - Team Rocket Elite
5 - Ballpoint Pencil
6 - HaRRicH
7 - NewLib
8 - Heroic Mario
9 - RPGGamer0
10- Tirofog
11 - Haste2
12 - Fiop
13 - Starion
14 - Lopen
15 - greatone10
16 - MegatokyoEd
17 - SonicRaptor
18 - Lucid Faia
19 - Draco1214
20 - Gr8CyberMonkey
21 - Heroic Viktor (tnote)
22 - Undeniable
23 - CaptainFlufflez
24 - Dranze
25 - Vile Requiem
26 - Forceful Dragon
27 - Lieutenant Kettch
28 - swirldude
29 - andaca
30 - Ed_Bellis
31 - RPGuy96
32 - Janus5000
33 - Dilated Chemist
34 - Applekidjosh
35 - Mac Arrowny
36 - Z1mZum
37 - Link Jr
38 - Aprosenf
39 - Chinballz
40 - somdude04
41 - Buzzup
42 - Silverflame
43 - cavedog0
44 - Shake
45 - Lettuce Kefka
46 - Rufus Shinra 18
47 - Gooper Blooper
48 - Ringworm
49 - stepintothearena
50 - Zylo the wolf
51 - Fantusta
52 - XxSoulxX
53 - Heroic Gamma Ray
54 - jonthomson
55 - Master Moltar
56 - XIII is cool
57 - Tediz247
58 - charmander6000
59 - plasmabeam
60 - Phediuk
61 - alpha door
62 - ExThaNemesis
63 - Tai
64 - Shdwdde
65 - VicPez
66 - Sir Bormun
67 - Tjian
68 - Brainstruck
69 - ChichiriMuyo
70 - ShinDragon (sidharta)
71 - Brett with Atreyu
72 - Smurf87
73 - DeeJayDragon
74 - Weird Kirby Dude11
75 - DomaDragoon
76 - dragoontheguy
77 - Radix
78 - rpgapzx
79 - PugTheNinja
80 - Kaxon
81 - FastFalcon05
82 - ubarn
83 - King Morgoth
84 - Mithrandir1331
85 - cyko
86 - Fett0001
87 - SecondBest
88 - Shivan Reincarnated
89 - outback
90 - A worlds envy
91 - Crono801
92 - LuniNutz99
93 - Sephirot1
94 - ExquisiteSamurai
95 - SlangEdter41
96 - voltch
97 - transience
98 - igota75
99. dethfddddh
100 - red sox 777
101 - Yesmar
102 - ff6man
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107 - Steinershocker
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VOTE MARIO IN SC2K5
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Diablo and Knuckles beat Kefka.

Vercetti has this, and that's that.
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2 - Ngamer64
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7 - NewLib
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9 - RPGGamer0
10- Tirofog
11 - Haste2
12 - Fiop
13 - Starion
14 - Lopen
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18 - Lucid Faia
19 - Draco1214
20 - Gr8CyberMonkey
21 - Heroic Viktor (tnote)
22 - Undeniable
23 - CaptainFlufflez
24 - Dranze
25 - Vile Requiem
26 - Forceful Dragon
27 - Lieutenant Kettch
28 - swirldude
29 - andaca
30 - Ed_Bellis
31 - RPGuy96
32 - Janus5000
33 - Dilated Chemist
34 - Applekidjosh
35 - Mac Arrowny
36 - Z1mZum
37 - Link Jr
38 - Aprosenf
39 - Chinballz
40 - somdude04
41 - Buzzup
42 - Silverflame
43 - cavedog0
44 - Shake
45 - Lettuce Kefka
46 - Rufus Shinra 18
47 - Gooper Blooper
48 - Ringworm
49 - stepintothearena
50 - Zylo the wolf
51 - Fantusta
52 - XxSoulxX
53 - Heroic Gamma Ray
54 - jonthomson
55 - Master Moltar
56 - XIII is cool
57 - Tediz247
58 - charmander6000
59 - plasmabeam
60 - Phediuk
61 - alpha door
62 - ExThaNemesis
63 - Tai
64 - Shdwdde
65 - VicPez
66 - Sir Bormun
67 - Tjian
68 - Brainstruck
69 - ChichiriMuyo
70 - ShinDragon (sidharta)
71 - Brett with Atreyu
72 - Smurf87
73 - DeeJayDragon
74 - Weird Kirby Dude11
75 - DomaDragoon
76 - dragoontheguy
77 - Radix
78 - rpgapzx
79 - PugTheNinja
80 - Kaxon
81 - FastFalcon05
82 - ubarn
83 - King Morgoth
84 - Mithrandir1331
85 - cyko
86 - Fett0001
87 - SecondBest
88 - Shivan Reincarnated
89 - outback
90 - A worlds envy
91 - Crono801
92 - LuniNutz99
93 - Sephirot1
94 - ExquisiteSamurai
95 - SlangEdter41
96 - voltch
97 - transience
98 - igota75
99. dethfddddh
100 - red sox 777
101 - Yesmar
102 - ff6man
103 - arkenaga
104 - meche313
105 - BeTheMan
106 - bigkevinm84
107 - Steinershocker
108 - steve illumina
109 - Naye745
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Don't blame us. Blame yourself or god.

Diablo and Knuckles would also beat Vercetti.

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My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

Thanks for adding me...your keen eye and willingness to help a fellow Elite gamer here on this board will earn you...a special mention in a write up in this summer's contest :)

I am sure you will be pleased...

In other news...funny how the CATS supporters seem to have crawled into their dens of self-pity as they know he has no shot against the poster child of Microsoft...
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Summer 2K5 0/0!
Read Steve Illumina Speaks: Summer Contest '05

Nah, it must be something else. Cloud and Link were also guaranteed to beat CATS, and they still talked about how CATS would set them up the bomb.
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If you can't beat 'em, eat 'em...
Vote for Kirby in SC2K5!

I figured they'd all be rallying around to beat the Chief, considering he's arguably more hated here than Link or Cloud. It's almost like they're content with the fact that CATS almost won.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

Lucid, what do you base that off of?

In other news, I'm suddenly intrigued to put Terra over Dante, but this might also mean that Terra > Kefka. However, after Kefka making it in all these years and Terra not, can that be trusted?
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but this might also mean that Terra > Kefka.

Well, duh, it's true.

However, after Kefka making it in all these years and Terra not, can that be trusted?

Several characters made two contests before Vivi and Frog made one. Are those automatically stronger?

Aeris has missed the last two contests. Is she weaker than most of the field now?
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Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

You know what, forget it. Dante is stronger than Kefka, there's no way Terra will reach him.
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Bowser vs. Ryu is making me cry on the inside.
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5/18/05
Never forget. Never forgive.

Sonic to defeat Mega by 10k. Heard it here first

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Smurf , the cream of sonic fanboyism

Well, duh, it's true.

Duh? HOW?!
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Sonic to defeat Mega by 10k. Heard it here first

Have a nice time crying when Mega crushes Sonic with upmost insanity.
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Dante and Terra has tempted me so many times now to change and go for the upset, but I just can't see Dante loosing I dunno just a feeling
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Currently Playing: GTA: San Andreas, Halo 2, Castlevania: Symphony of the Night

Did you SEE how little support FF villains not named Sephiroth get?

And how often is the main villain the most popular character in a game?
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Faithful supporter of Squall Leonhart in SC2K5

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

This bracket has my nerves wracked >_>. I'd positively love to finish on the top 50 for 3 contests in a row though so i'm going to be spending some hecka hours on it.


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I'm going to be vomiting mud for months because Yoblazer dusted me so hard in the Spring Contest '05

Another Pre-Contest Commentary from The Sage of Board 8...

Sponsored today by...Pampers! Quality diapers for quality poopin...

For the babies who grew up on FFVII and Dual Shock...you will be shocked when Vincent jobs to Kerrigan...

Oops did I say that!? Yep, I sure did...FFVII love is a twin axis of Sephy and Cloudy. Even the real star of FFVII, Aeris, did not make it this year...instead replaced by secondary heroine Tifa and tertiary Vinny. This annoys me to no end...and thousands of others will show their anger by boycotting Tifa and Vinny, dooming them to defeat rather hastily...

A Fan Letter: "Dear Mr. Illumina: Why did you compare Ulti ruling Board 8 to Kefka on the crapper yesterday? Ulti is my hero..my God...my idol...and if he says pick Joanna Dark over Mario...well that is what I must do. For I have sworn blind loyalty to my hero...so dont be comparing him to Kefka on the toilet...alright? Other than that, love your work...especially the Dr. Quack stuff... Your fan forever, Heroic Red Koopa Troopa"

My reply: "Dear Heroic Red Koopa Troopa: You are a newbie fool. How many Heroics are there anymore? There is only one true Heroic, and that is Heroic Mario. Now he must try to stand out in a field of wannabe Heroics who lack the originality to come up with their own user names. Pretty soon Heroic Plunger Stick will be fueding with Heroic Soapdish for bragging rights in Kefka's bathroom! Other than that, keep reading my column, and Dr. Quack says he is available for you Sunday at 3. Love, the Sage of Board 8, Steve Illumina"

My bracket is complete...and it plans to lead the Gurus to victory this summer...and the Oracles...the Prophets...the Leaderboard Glory I aspire to achieve...umm what else...first in line at Ruby Tuesday's on cheese fry night...

One final tidbit for today...CATS is already defeated. Next!
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Read Steve Illumina Speaks: Summer Contest '05

Duh? HOW?!

I would be pretty surprised if Terra was weaker than Kefka to be honest.

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Laguna Loire

Did you SEE how little support FF villains not named Sephiroth get?

And how often is the main villain the most popular character in a game?

Ok, Sephiroth is an exception, so what? Terra has been ignored forever.
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Mega got doubled by a tights wearing pixie. What respect could he possibly have?

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I would be pretty surprised if Terra was weaker than Kefka to be honest.

I wouldn't. I acknowledge 100% that she's the main character of FF6, if that's true, but you don't sit out the first 3 years and say "OMG I BE STRONGER THAN KEFKA EVEN THOUGH HE REPS FF6 AND I HAVEN"T FOR LONG TIME LOLOLOL", so to speak.

You guys actually have Terra winning?

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Sonic got doubled by a bat. What's your point?
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Faithful supporter of Squall Leonhart in SC2K5

Ok, Sephiroth is an exception, so what? Terra has been ignored forever.

Just because a character has not made it into the contest before does not say that they have a ceiling that is lower than a character who has made it before. For example, Tifa and Vincent are not limited to being at a ceiling of Aeris just because Aeris made the contest before them. That's just stupid.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

While being the main character is a plus, it doesn't guarantee contest success. Do you think Zidane will be stronger than Vivi? It's already unclear whether Auron or Tidus is stronger. I see no reason to believe Terra will be a success, and less to believe she can beat Dante.
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There is no lawyer.

Bats are greater then Lycra.

Whats your point?
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Mega got doubled by a tights wearing pixie. What respect could he possibly have?

Do you mean Link?

Prepare to be lynched by the Nintendo mass.

Nice knowing you. :-(

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Tell me honestly: About which percentage of those who vote in the actual contest do you think nominate characters?

It's a very small percentage, to be sure.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

Nobody bothers to defend Link because frankly.......... he doesnt need it. Mega however...
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You guys actually have Terra winning?

...Terra can be stronger than Kefka and still lose by a good margin to Dante. I have and never will look at how long it took them to make the contest as a sign of strength. That doesn't make any sense at all.

But I have Dante advancing in Round 1 and losing to Vincent in Round 2.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

About which percentage of those who vote in the actual contest do you think nominate characters?

It's a very small percentage, to be sure.

What proof do you have?
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While being the main character is a plus, it doesn't guarantee contest success.

True enough, but are you honestly telling me that KEFKA is the strongest character we can get from one of the most popular games on this site? I'm just not buying that.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

Aren't the noms heavily influenced by Board 8 anyways, whereas voters come from everywhere on GameFAQs and in many cases sites that people rally.
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What proof do you have?

Manny Calavera.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

Terra can be stronger than Kefka and still lose by a good margin to Dante.

See, that's what's I think. Terra has too much room to hang out in between Dante and Kefka. Dante wins.
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True enough, but are you honestly telling me that KEFKA is the strongest character we can get from one of the most popular games on this site? I'm just not buying that.

Nah, I'm not saying that. Just that he's certainly not the weakest, and that doesn't bode well for Terra. Dante's no pushover.
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There is no lawyer.

Manny Calavera.

I don't follow. The board nominated him?
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Oh yeah.

From: Slowflake | Posted: 6/30/2005 7:55:19 AM | Message Detail
Let me just say this: I_Dont_Love_You seems like the perfect archetype of the casual bracketmaker who has no idea whatsoever what he's doing.

That's Wylvane.

~*ST*~
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"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

You need an account to nominate, but not to vote. Nominations obviously have little to no connection with contest strength. And Board 8's nominating initiatives, while only garnering a few hundred extra noms at best, actually work a lot of the time. It's clear that many many more people vote than nominate.
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There is no lawyer.

I don't follow. The board nominated him?

Shake held a major rally to nominate him. Honestly, board 8 can have a good effect on getting characters into the contest. Look at some of the characters that were rallied for:

Ocelot, Tifa, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving, Manny, and Terra. All in the contest.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

LShake held a major rally to nominate him. Honestly, board 8 can have a good effect on getting characters into the contest. Look at some of the characters that were rallied for:

Ocelot, Tifa, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving, Manny, and Terra. All in the contest.

You needed the board. Dante didn't. Dante wins. I'm running out of ideas. X_x'
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Tai, of course Terra is stronger than Kefka. It's not farfetched at all. She's the main character of one of the most popular games on this site. It's not like we're picking someone by the name of "Who Cares?" to win a match, you know.

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Obviously it's more than just board 8 who nominates characters. But these characters made it in with us rallying for them. It's still pretty obvious that it's a very small percentage who actually nominate AND vote.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

What proof do you have?

Well, board support alone got Manny Calavera into the contest, and Kerrigan into the contest with a pretty high seed. So, there is my proof.
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MasterMage119

Pre-Season Analysis Day 3

2k4 Snubs

Ryo
Luca Blight
Guybrush
JC Denton
Earthworm Jim
Shadow the Hedgehog
Max Payne
Protoman
Liquid Snake
Crash
Tanner
Duke Nukem
Kain
Bomberman
Jak
Scorpion
Sly Cooper
Terry Bogard
Viewtiful Joe
Miles “Tails” Prower
Ratchet
HK-47
Jill Valentine
Lara Croft

Total: 24 Characters

24 characters got snub this year, which is better then last year which was 17. I guess you could count Link, Cloud and Sephiroth as snubs because they aren’t part of the main bracket, but they are in this contest in some way. All the 15 and 16 seeds were snubbed except for the obvious CATS. Sony’s platformer characters took a big hit from the snubs, with four characters not making the contest.

The four timers list took a large hit with nine characters from the past three contests not making it to the fourth summer contest. Most of those nine characters were fodder anyways. The strongest out of those nine characters were probably Tails or Scorpion.

Out of the 24 snubbed characters Tails was the only character to have won a match during that contest, but his opponent, Viewtiful Joe also got snubbed so it really doesn’t matter.

Top 5 Strongest Snubs

1. Shadow the Hedgehog
2. Liquid Snake
3. Miles “Tails” Prower
4. Scorpion
5. Jill Valentine

Honorable Mention: Bomberman

Shadow matched the whole day against Tidus. Also whatever happened in the Mega Man/Tidus match, we’ll probably never know. Liquid Snake also kept up with Frog for the whole day and tried to make a comeback during the night. Something happened this year when he was against Sephiroth during the villains contest. Maybe he has the same problem as Tidus. Tails was the only character in the snubs list to actually win a match and is the second Sonic character to be snubbed. Tails may not be strong to win against most opponents, but he can make a good 8 vs. 9 match (or for this contest 4 vs. 5). Scorpion did okay against Auron last year, but since he is dropping every year, he had to be snubbed sooner or later. Jill kept even with Ryu Hayabusa all day and lost in a close one, but just like Scorpion she’s been dropping since 2k2 and would be snubbed next year if it wasn’t for this year.

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Terra may be the main character of FF6, but I don't think she's as likeable as the other characters of FF6. Notice I said as likeable; this is all relative. Terra is rather bland compared to some of the other fan favorites in the game. Locke, Sabin, Edgar, Shadow, Kefka... I think they are all a bit more likeable than Kefka. Of course, it doesn't mean much since it's all relative. The difference between all of them could be a half a percent or so, so it doesn't really matter much. I was just pointing out that even though Terra being the main character MAY cause her to be a little stronger than Kefka, it doesn't necessarily mean that she is more liked than the other characters...

And DON'T say because she got in over them that it is an indication that she is stronger. The board made a consensus that she is the main character and is the one that should be rallied to get nominated in.
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The Final Fantasy VI fanbase loves Terra. The only character I think could honestly challenge her is Celes.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

I hate to do it, but I'm upholding my pick. Dante beats Terra.
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I'm a part of the Final Fantasy VI fanbase. I didn't say Terra wasn't loved by the fanbase. But there are other characters who may be more liked. Just from talk around this board alone, you can't say that Shadow isn't as liked as Terra, if not more. And it isn't just this board. I used to hang out on the FFIII/VI... It wouldn't be a shocker that other characters are more popular than Terra.
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I would personally be shocked if someone other than Celes was stronger than Terra, but that's just me. This is coming from a huge Locke fan, too.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

Though I've never played FFVI, Sabin seems to be hugely popular among its fanbase. I'd never heard of Terra prior to this contest, but Sabin is all over the place.
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There is no lawyer.

I wouldn't imagine Locke being too far away from Terra. Although after he, Celes, and Shadow I would expect there to be a dropoff.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

If I had to rank them personally, I think it'd go something like this:

Terra > Celes > Kefka > Shadow > Locke = Edgar > Sabin > Cyan > Mog > The rest don't matter

It's almost impossible to get a definite feel for them though.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

I'll sign for Guru.

But I don't know rules for it yet though.
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My past GameFAQ's contest scores in quote.

when the brackets close Ulti or NGamer will make a topic for you to post your bracket in. You have 48 hours after the topic is made to do so or your entry will be invaild. After the contest ends whoever has the most points at the end (and using the tie breaker) wins and the losers will have to change their sigs and praise the winner in one way for 2 weeks.
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17 handhelds Nintendo has taken down 1 more to go (see quote for rest)

after seeing so many characters like shadow,bomberman,jill valentine and liquid snake i think cjayc should make qualifying rounds were some characters battle it out for wildcard entries into the contest. so he keeps the strong characters with automatic entries and then the crap like agent 47,tanner,spyro,croc gets beaten by aeris and shadow so we get the strongest guys in the contest. or is that a bad idea
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Being that my namesake is derived from FFVI, the truly greatest FF of all time and deserving of a much rumored remake on PS3, I am uniquely qualified to speak on this topic.

Terra never did anything for me. Celes and Shadow by far are superior, but there really is no standout character among the roster. Kefka really outshines them all in quotes, character development, artwork, storyline, etc.

I mean really...who knows of a lot of Strago art? Or Terra quotes? Only Terra quote worth a salt, and which I will use in my Terra writeup later on is this hallowed set of life changing words...

"Its the day to day concerns, and the celebration of life and love"

FFVI is great not because of its characters alone, but the overall sum of its parts...enemies, music, bosses, story, graphics, summon spells, etc :)
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Summer 2K5 0/0! Pick: Not DK or CATS!
Read Steve Illumina Speaks: Summer Contest '05

I wasn't going to sign up, but I like how NGamer sets the spreadsheet up, and it's easy to see how many upsets and the like I have..



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that's a hell of a combo for the 500th post.

for FF6, I'm standing by the possibility of Mog > everyone. if Vivi can outclass Zidane, I'll bet on Mog outclassing Terra.

plus, he's got the moogle charm.

other thoughts: there seems to be a general anti-xbox sentiment on board 8, so shouldn't CATS get out to a nice lead a la CATS-Ansem when the poll starts? that could be fun.

If Terra wins againist Dante or even puts up a great fight, you can expect a Locke rally next year from me.
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Am I the only one who thought Setzer was a great character? Like I said in another topic, Terra is very low on the char list in FFVI for me. I'd say it goes Kefka > Locke > Setzer > Edgar = Sabin > Cyan >Shadow > Mog > Gau > Celes > Terra > Gogo > Umaro > Strago > Relm for me. Everybody below Cyan simply didn't impress me.
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Like I said before the Gold Chocobo would do better in this contest than Mog.
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I'd expect a gold chocobo to beat Terra, too.

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heh, thinking in that vein, how would people pick this mascot bracket:

(1) Chocobo
(8) DW Slime

(4) Metroid
(5) Cactuar

(3) Moogle
(6) Goomba

(2) Tingle
(7) Tonberry

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Chocobo
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Goomba
Tingle

Chocobo
Goomba

Goomba
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chocobo
metroid
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chocobo
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chocobo

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Toad > Goomba for Mario mascots, though.
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but chocobos are chocobos! they're not optional wannabe goths wearing high heels.

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Again, joo phail... Mocking still stands.
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A Gold Chocoobo will still get the Chocobo and the Bestiality votes, but also will get the "OMG!! SUPERSECRET KNIGHTS OF TEH ROND TABLE!!!"
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I know this is old, but as for the argument that Link does well in the late game and Cloud does well early on...where does this come from? Compare their perfomances against CATS, both in the first round. Link did far better than Cloud did. I'm just not understanding the reasoning behind this.

I dunno. Cloud seemed to do better and better in 2003 as the contest went along.
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Yeah, Cloud's first match against Duke Milkem is where he sucked the most.

And even though Cloud lost to Link, most people didn't think that he could get the percentage that he got against that absurdly boosted Link.
So Cloud's performance against Link is arguably his best in 2004.

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On Mario vs. Samus:

I really, really want to take Mario over Samus. I've seen many logical arguments for it, and I really want to believe them. But I can't help but wondering if I'm just dreaming -- Mario really hasn't done as well as he should have in the past two years, and Samus has done better than expected. I want Mario to win that match, but I can't help but think that it's my personal bias that makes me think that it'll actually happen. After all, don't most of us here think that Mario ought to win the whole tournament? He's more than deserving of it, because he is the definitive video game character. The vast majority of the site predicted him to win in 2002, and he got slaughtered by Link. The next year he was slaughtered by Sephiroth, even though he narrowly beat Cloud in 2002. In 2004 he was schooled by Crono -- despite having beaten Crono very narrowly the past two years. I think that we're all letting our love of Mario get in the way of the simple fact that on this site, he simply isn't as popular as we might like him to be. Mario blatantly failed to SFF Link, so why would he SFF Samus? Don't get me wrong, I want him to, but I think that it all may just be wishful thinking.

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The following matches are still giving me fits:

*CJ/Ness - I can't shake the thought that Ness might still be underrated due to mild Auron/Sephiroth SFF. And I don't think that CJ will be as strong as Vercetti was in 2K3, due to the gangster/racism factors. An Italian mobster seems to be a character with more appeal to people around here than an urban hip-hop gangster type.

*Auron/Ganon - Again, mild Auron/Sephiroth SFF might come into play. There's also the fact that Ganon basically tied Tidus, so it really is not hard to see Auron beating him in that sense. People seem to have increased faith in Ganon because of the Villains contest, but I don't know...I do not think that Ganon is a "safe" choice here.

*Alucard/Sora - I have no idea who will win here.

*The Devil Division - I don't know if Vincent will lose to Dante, or beat the winner of Magus/Squall. Not to mention I'm torn on Magus/Squall. I am leaning towards Magus in that match and will stick him, but I can definitely see Squall winning that. And Vincent is just so unpredictable. Dante is just above the range that I would consider to be Vincent's floor. And Magus' 2K3 rank is just below what I would consider to be Vincent's ceiling!

*Snake/Bowser - I'm leaning towards Snake, but would love for Bowser to win. That, combined with the fact that I think this would be a good pick in terms of risk strategy, makes me think maybe I should pick Bowser. But I'm still torn. (and no, I don't think Bowser is at all assured of beating Ryu and Tidus; but there's no chance of me changing those picks so I'm content with it)

I also think that Mega Man/Sonic isn't as guaranteed as people think, but I'm sticking with Mega Man. Mega Man/Crono though...that's tough. I'll stick with Crono but it makes me nervous. Samus/Mario is also obviously unclear but I'm picking Samus and not worrying about it. Same with Link/Cloud and Samus/Crono—very up-in-the-air matches, but I've got Link to win it all and Samus to beat Crono and that's probably not gonna change.

At least Ness/CJ is a first round match. But Auron/Ganon is important, and the whole Devil and Dream divisions are pivotal.

I think that this contest will come down to: the Devil Division, the Dream Division, Samus/Mario, Samus/Mario/Crono, and Link/Cloud.

With some chance of Mega Man/Sonic/Crono and the tourney winner beating Sephiroth coming into play.
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So... it'll come down to pretty much all of the matches that could go either way? >>;
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I haven't seen a single logical argument for Mario over Samus. All signs point to a Samus victory. Samus actually has evidence and hard numbers backing her up, while Mario has "it just doesn't feel right! :("

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Which if the following character, if any, would you take Terra and/or Cecil to beat?

Sora
Luigi
Scorpion
Yuna
Donkey Kong
Tails
Lavos

I'd take Terra to beat everyone but Sora and maybe Luigi, but I'm not sure if I'd take Cecil over Lavos.
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I agree, Lucid. I have yet to hear a good reason why Mario will SFF Samus when Link himself barely could.
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I haven't seen a single logical argument for Mario over Samus. All signs point to a Samus victory. Samus actually has evidence and hard numbers backing her up, while Mario has "it just doesn't feel right! :("

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/detail.php?board=571562&topic=21909341&message=236747034

I don't know if you consider that logical, but I do.
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I don't see why people still insist on calling Mario "Mr. Nintendo" anymore. I don't like it either, but at least on GameFAQs, that title belongs to Link.
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Well, he represents Nintendo. So he's Mr. Nintendo. Link is stronger, but he's still not Mr. Nintendo!
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Samus actually has evidence and hard numbers backing her up, while Mario has "it just doesn't feel right! :("

There are times where you just have to jump and hope your 100-year-old parachute works, regardless of the odds. The inexplicable has happened before; remember, those 6% that took Cloud in 2003 still have bragging rights.
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There are times where you just have to jump and hope your 100-year-old parachute works, regardless of the odds. The inexplicable has happened before; remember, those 6% that took Cloud in 2003 still have bragging rights.

Um, between the fact that the only thing that took Cloud in 2003 were floods of fans throwing him up and down from winning that year, I presume you mean 2002. >_>
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Um, between the fact that the only thing that took Cloud in 2003 were floods of fans throwing him up and down from winning that year, I presume you mean 2002. >_>

...

Cloud won the contest in 2003...
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Wow, thank you for reading. That's what the **** I said. -__-'

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Wow, thank you for reading. That's what the **** I said. -__-'

Well, for one thing, what you said was incoherent. For another, yoblazer's point was that the people who picked Cloud in 2003 had bragging rights because they chose the right champion.
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I thought he was referring to Mario beating Cloud in 2002. X_X'

YoBlazer's post makes no other sense, then..
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Yoblazer's point was that you have to take a leap of faith, in the past that leap was choosing Cloud, this year that leap may be choosing Mario.
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yoblazer's post makes perfect sense to me.

oh, and yoblazer has hella bragging rights, I'd say.

..of course, so does Lucid Faia.

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>Being that my namesake is derived from FFVI, the truly greatest FF of all time and deserving of a much rumored remake on PS3, I am uniquely qualified to speak on this topic.<

Are you just teasing me?! Or is this possible...!!!

And Mog should've gotten a nomination. I'd pick Mog over Terra, he's just so darn cute.

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is tidus over bowser impossible,unlikely or plausible

I have it in my bracket; it's a risky pick, but I believe it'll happen...not just an upset pick that I hope will happen.

You know what, forget it. Dante is stronger than Kefka, there's no way Terra will reach him.

<broken record> For what it's worth, when Kefka got an actual in-game pic of him, he looked stronger than Dante if you base it off of a steady Luca. Whehter that's a fluke or not, your call...but in all likelyhood, Terra ia stronger than Kefka. If you take into consideration that Kefka might already be ahead of Dante when using pics that LOOK LIKE KEFKA and that all of Terra's official art/3D-models look more like her than any of Kefka's official art/3D models, well...fear. </broken record>

Mega got doubled by a tights wearing pixie. What respect could he possibly have?
Sonic got doubled by a bat. What's your point?

This lil' bit made me laugh. I needed that. Thanks.

You need an account to nominate, but not to vote. Nominations obviously have little to no connection with contest strength. And Board 8's nominating initiatives, while only garnering a few hundred extra noms at best, actually work a lot of the time. It's clear that many many more people vote than nominate.

Well said, though I question if there's ever been a B8 nominating initiative that garnered afew hundred nominations. Regardless, your point stands.

Which if the following character, if any, would you take Terra and/or Cecil to beat?

I'd take Terra over Scorpion, Tails, and Lavos without much question. Luigi, Donkey Kong, and Yuna are tough pushes though...and, while I'd indirectly take Sora over Terra, I don't know if Sora would fold to her like he did to Aeris (probably not, since Terra isn't in KH like Aeris was...but it's still the FF3/6 lead instead of the FF7 supporting character).

As for Cecil, I'd take him over Scorpion and maybe Lavos...mmaayybbee Tails, too, but I think the rest would be too strong for him.
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Okay, I've made my personal reasoning for my picks yesterday along with my predictions of the matches then saved 'em to a file...so, now that I've got that done, I'm now gonna make the (unadjusted) extrapolated stats based off of my picks since I'm bored and wanna practice my stat-stuff some more. Note that I hardly looked at any x-stats before I made my predictions, although I did occasionally look to help with matches. I'll have 'em ready in a lil' bit to show, for those interested.
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I really don't think that Terra is stronger than Kefka.

Wesker/Nemesis might not be the best comparison, but it is similar in terms of many fans saying that one character will definitely be stronger than the other. Even though that steadfast belief may not entirely make sense.

Kefka is the villain, and a famous one; Terra is not a main character that's emphasized much. It's more Kefka's game than Terra's. He's focused on more. And even if you think that Terra is focused on more, relative to the standard hero/villain focus, this hero/villain focus is clearly Kefka's favor. Terra just isn't associated with Final Fantasy VI like main heroes typically are.

I think that Terra will be weaker than Kefka.
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Dream Division is going to kill a lot of brackets.

First Round won't be any problem with Kirby/Tidus/Bowser/Ryu advancing easily.

It's what's afterwards that's going to be hell. I currently have Tidus winning the whole division. I'm really basing that on Tidus being underestimated in 2K4. This is due to his lose to a boosted Mega Man who later got crushed by an even more boosted Link. Some may not agree, but that's the logic I've come to.
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23 - CaptainFlufflez
24 - Dranze
25 - Vile Requiem
26 - Forceful Dragon
27 - Lieutenant Kettch
28 - swirldude
29 - andaca
30 - Ed_Bellis
31 - RPGuy96
32 - Janus5000
33 - Dilated Chemist
34 - Applekidjosh
35 - Mac Arrowny
36 - Z1mZum
37 - Link Jr
38 - Aprosenf
39 - Chinballz
40 - somdude04
41 - Buzzup
42 - Silverflame
43 - cavedog0
44 - Shake
45 - Lettuce Kefka
46 - Rufus Shinra 18
47 - Gooper Blooper
48 - Ringworm
49 - stepintothearena
50 - Zylo the wolf
51 - Fantusta
52 - XxSoulxX
53 - Heroic Gamma Ray
54 - jonthomson
55 - Master Moltar
56 - XIII is cool
57 - Tediz247
58 - charmander6000
59 - plasmabeam
60 - Phediuk
61 - alpha door
62 - ExThaNemesis
63 - Tai
64 - Shdwdde
65 - VicPez
66 - Sir Bormun
67 - Tjian
68 - Brainstruck
69 - ChichiriMuyo
70 - ShinDragon (sidharta)
71 - Brett with Atreyu
72 - Smurf87
73 - DeeJayDragon
74 - Weird Kirby Dude11
75 - DomaDragoon
76 - dragoontheguy
77 - Radix
78 - rpgapzx
79 - PugTheNinja
80 - Kaxon
81 - FastFalcon05
82 - ubarn
83 - King Morgoth
84 - Mithrandir1331
85 - cyko
86 - Fett0001
87 - SecondBest
88 - Shivan Reincarnated
89 - outback
90 - A worlds envy
91 - Crono801
92 - LuniNutz99
93 - Sephirot1
94 - ExquisiteSamurai
95 - SlangEdter41
96 - voltch
97 - transience
98 - igota75
99. dethfddddh
100 - red sox 777
101 - Yesmar
102 - ff6man
103 - arkenaga
104 - meche313
105 - BeTheMan
106 - bigkevinm84
107 - Steinershocker
108 - MasterMage119
109 - Acronym
110 - SoulKnightX
111 - perdevious
112 - Jman_gamerX8
113 - fallenstar

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"Truly,if there is evil in this world,
it lies within the heart of mankind."-Dhaos

Kefka is the villain, and a famous one; Terra is not a main character that's emphasized much. It's more Kefka's game than Terra's. He's focused on more.

You don't even SEE Kefka throughout the entire World of Ruin until the final fight. Honestly, Terra is a big focal point of this game, and undoubtedly the focal point of at least the World of Balance. You can make the argument that Celes is the focus of the World of Ruin and that offsets Terra though.

I really don't see how you can call it Kefka's game more than Terra's though.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

In this

http://www.freewebs.com/slowflake/sc2k5.xls

Semifinals (ToC)

0 Link 42
0 Cloud Strife 13

0 Sephiroth 51
1 Samus Aran 3
1 Mario Mario 1

Finals (ToC)

0 Link 42
0 Cloud Strife 13

The last lines I don't understand.
The finals stats appear to be a duplicate of semifinals. and there's no indication of what each person wants for
Link,Cloud Strife,Sephiroth,Samus Aran, Mario Mario.


"Truly,if there is evil in this world,
it lies within the heart of mankind."-Dhaos

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Ngamer64
3 - yoblazer33
4 - Team Rocket Elite
5 - Ballpoint Pencil
6 - HaRRicH
7 - NewLib
8 - Heroic Mario
9 - RPGGamer0
10- Tirofog
11 - Haste2
12 - Fiop
13 - Starion
14 - Lopen
15 - greatone10
16 - MegatokyoEd
17 - SonicRaptor
18 - Lucid Faia
19 - Draco1214
20 - Gr8CyberMonkey
21 - Heroic Viktor (tnote)
22 - Undeniable
23 - CaptainFlufflez
24 - Dranze
25 - Vile Requiem
26 - Forceful Dragon
27 - Lieutenant Kettch
28 - swirldude
29 - andaca
30 - Ed_Bellis
31 - RPGuy96
32 - Janus5000
33 - Dilated Chemist
34 - Applekidjosh
35 - Mac Arrowny
36 - Z1mZum
37 - Link Jr
38 - Aprosenf
39 - Chinballz
40 - somdude04
41 - Buzzup
42 - Silverflame
43 - cavedog0
44 - Shake
45 - Lettuce Kefka
46 - Rufus Shinra 18
47 - Gooper Blooper
48 - Ringworm
49 - stepintothearena
50 - Zylo the wolf
51 - Fantusta
52 - XxSoulxX
53 - Heroic Gamma Ray
54 - jonthomson
55 - Master Moltar
56 - XIII is cool
57 - Tediz247
58 - charmander6000
59 - plasmabeam
60 - Phediuk
61 - alpha door
62 - ExThaNemesis
63 - Tai
64 - Shdwdde
65 - VicPez
66 - Sir Bormun
67 - Tjian
68 - Brainstruck
69 - ChichiriMuyo
70 - ShinDragon (sidharta)
71 - Brett with Atreyu
72 - Smurf87
73 - DeeJayDragon
74 - Weird Kirby Dude11
75 - DomaDragoon
76 - dragoontheguy
77 - Radix
78 - rpgapzx
79 - PugTheNinja
80 - Kaxon
81 - FastFalcon05
82 - ubarn
83 - King Morgoth
84 - Mithrandir1331
85 - cyko
86 - Fett0001
87 - SecondBest
88 - Shivan Reincarnated
89 - outback
90 - A worlds envy
91 - Crono801
92 - LuniNutz99
93 - Sephirot1
94 - ExquisiteSamurai
95 - SlangEdter41
96 - voltch
97 - transience
98 - igota75
99. dethfddddh
100 - red sox 777
101 - Yesmar
102 - ff6man
103 - arkenaga
104 - meche313
105 - BeTheMan
106 - bigkevinm84
107 - Steinershocker
108 - MasterMage119
109 - Acronym
110 - SoulKnightX
111 - perdevious
112 - Jman_gamerX8
113 - fallenstar
114 - The Wise Tonberry
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Teenage love was underground...
...tonight I break the surface.

It's basically saying that everyone thinks the winner of Cloud/Link will win the whole Tournament of Champions, which is a given.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

On the argument of Mario/Samus. I'm not sure how much Paper Mario: TTYD sold, but it's probably not much more than Metroid Prime 2: Echoes. In fact, it may be less. Mario has Super Mario 64 DS, but Samus has First Hunt, bundled with the DS. The notion that Mario has had a chance to shine more than Samus (not counting spinoffs) is wrong, as is the idea that Mario can SFF Samus. If anything, it will be Samus leeching votes.

About FF3/6j, Celes was the focus of the game for about half an hour, NOT the entire World Of Ruin. Once you had the required party of Celes, Edgar, and Setzer, and once you got the Falcon, there wasn't a character that was particularly focused on until the end of the game. That character was Terra.

I've been around FF3/6j fansites, forums, chat groups, and the other things for over ten years now. Take it from me, to suggest that the game is Kefka's game is wrong and ridiculous, as is the ludicrous idea that Kefka is stronger than Terra.

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

But you MUST see Kefka, whereas you don't have to see Terra.

I know I didn't, my first time through. I thought it was a plot hole for the longest time ;_;
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Yoblazer did rather well in the guru contest.
Rather well, indeed.

Okay guys, I just got done making x-stats based off of my predictions. Keep in mind I think several parts of it is wrong, and afew are pushing it...but you aren't meant to live and die by the stats, anyways. =P


Obviously, they're unadjusted:

1-Cloud 50.00
2-Link 48.50
3-Sephiroth 41.00
4-Samus 40.18
5-Crono 38.17
6-Mario 36.16
7-Mega Man 35.12
8-Sonic 34.42
9-Tifa 32.70
10-Zero 32.54
11-Solid Snake 32.14
12-Tidus 31.50
13-Frog 31.34
14-Bowser 31.19
15-Sora 31.18
16-Zelda 30.85
17-Ganondorf 30.54
18-Vivi 30.54
19-Ryu 30.25
20-Auron 30.23
21-Alucard 29.93
22-Master Chief 29.77
23-Kirby 28.35
24-Rikku 26.02
25-Yoshi 25.99
26-Chun-Li 25.58
27-Lloyd Irving 25.38
28-Leon Kennedy 25.29
29-Luigi 24.85
30-Kratos (GoW) 24.54
31-Yuna 24.43
32-Vercetti 24.43
33-Donkey Kong 24.41
34-KOS-MOS 24.35
35-Kefka 23.94
36-Cecil 23.81
37-Magus 23.67
38-Diablo 23.41
39-Vincent 23.20
40-Riku 23.19
41-Squall 22.96
42-Freeman 22.26
43-Dante 21.81
44-Big Boss 21.77
45-CJ 21.70
46-Kratos Aurion 21.54
47-Terra 20.94
48-Ness 20.83
49-Revolver 20.79
50-Zidane 20.61
51-Ryu Hayabusa 20.17
52-King of all Cosmos 19.53
53-Jin 19.28
54-Vyse 18.97
55-Sam Fisher 18.55
56-Knuckles 17.99
57-Pac-Man 17.05
58-Laharl 16.63
59-Wesker 16.24
60-Conker 16.16
61-Kerrigan 15.78
62-Geno 15.15
63-Yuri 13.66
64-CATS 11.91
65-Joanna Dark 10.12
66-Manny 9.00
67-Agent 47 7.48


No, I do NOT think Frog beating MC with 52.5% is right, nor do I think the King of all Cosmos would beat even Sam Fisher with 52.49%...there's other things wrong, too, don't worry. Also, again, I remind everyone the "stats" are unadjusted.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

But you MUST see Kefka, whereas you don't have to see Terra.

Actually, you do. She shows up at the end, whether you meet her in WoR or not.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

But you MUST see Kefka, whereas you don't have to see Terra.

That'd be a good point... if it were true. Even if Terra is not in your party against Kefka, you'll see a little scene where she senses the fight at Kefka's Tower, morphs, and flys in that direction, and plays a role in the ending.

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

You know what I mean >_>
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Yoblazer did rather well in the guru contest.
Rather well, indeed.

Not really. The storyline revolves around Terra for the entire World of Balance, which was a bigger part of the game than the World Of Ruin. Terra didn't have as much of a role in the WoR, but neither did Kefka. He basically hung out in his tower and waited for everyone to show up.

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

interesting stats... you need to save these for when the contest is over to see how close you were.

obvious things at first sight: Zelda > Ganon (Samus SFF?), the entire Devil division being so low (Magus/Crono SFF, I assume), and Leon/GF being so high.

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<_<

You actually thought I was attempting to make a valid point?

Your detectors are not working, Admiral!
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Yoblazer did rather well in the guru contest.
Rather well, indeed.

The WoR doesn't really matter anyway. Kefka's basically a star player who appears before 90% of your own characters.

Your detectors are not working, Admiral!

Try not to be sarcastic on Board 8. We have a lot of clueless people around here, so it's hard to separate people who are making bad jokes from people who are being serious.

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

Transience, I agree with all three of what you saw too, and you're right on your guesses of why Zelda > Ganon and Magus > Crono (though I think I've given Ganon too much credit against Samus in terms of resisting SFF).
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

The WoR doesn't really matter anyway. Kefka's basically a star player who appears before 90% of your own characters.


To play devil's advocate...

*points to Kefka/Wesker*

...if that match is a sign of anything, it could be that lots and lots of people's played through the game, so WoR very well could matter.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

^_^
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Yoblazer did rather well in the guru contest.
Rather well, indeed.

Luigi vs Tifa will be the "Bracket ****-up" of the year.

Sure Luigi lost twice in a row, but look at Tails...

Only 3 hard macthes this year in my book

Kekfa vs Tommy
Luigi vs Tifa
Mario vs Samus

maybe Crono vs Sepi in the tournie of champs, too.
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I HaloGangsta I
OldAccount:ViewtifulJC Karma:300+ if it was still active

Tifa/Luigi's easy to me...and that's assuming Luigi gets past KOS-MOS.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

I could make the busty female RPG argument again, but I won't.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Oh I guess I expected someone to pick Sephiroth or Samus for some weird reason, sorry.

And for the BOP thing, I'm wondering about the Tidus over Kirby thing. Tidus performs generally better than Kirby. but his collapse against mega man last year and sin's performance this year makes me think ffx has dropped. anyone know how popular kirby's ds games are to this site?

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"Truly,if there is evil in this world,
it lies within the heart of mankind."-Dhaos

Likely not too popular.
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Trainer: Clinkeroth, do mega fanboy attack!
Clinkeroth: CLINKEROTH! ~Pibb of Truth

http://www.gamefaqs.com/portable/ds/review/925174.html

Pretty decent amount of reviews.
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

Tidus also only got 40% against Sonic back in 2k2, but then he came back in 2k3 and fought like hell with Ganon. I think Tidus is just inconsistant, specifically under-performing against the top characters.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

Well, that 41% on Sonic is still better than Dante (someone relatively Kirby's equal) could do.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Well, that 41% on Sonic is still better than Dante (someone relatively Kirby's equal) could do.

Good eye; to be fair, Sonic gained a lil' bit from Sonic Heroes. Not near enough to excuse Kirby to beat Tidus though, unless you think Tidus showed his true strength against Mega Man (which I certainly don't and 'bout certain you don't either).
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

Tidus's unpredictability is a major problem for me.
My other worry ( yeah I pretty much don't worry to much about the 1 pt matches since winner of Link vs Cloud is a tossup- and missing that match loses 6pts.) so these two point matches count alot)
is Dante vs Vincent.
I hope that Vincent isn't as strong as Aeris was in 2003. Dante also folds against anything that is mid or higher. I guess ill have to chant dmc3 dmc3 alot.
When is Vincent 's game coming out btw?

The final thing that bothers me is snake.
For him I have no explaination. He has dropped and Bowser has gained, the bop doesnt seem bothered much though so nothing to do.

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"Truly,if there is evil in this world,
it lies within the heart of mankind."-Dhaos

Dante also folds against anything that is mid or higher.

Eh? Aside from his match with Sonic (and arguably the one with Tails) Dante's done just fine.
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The King of all Cosmos' route to summer victory:
Round 1: (4) Tidus... LET ME DREAM :

He didn't do so well against Ryu either. Or at least as good as some thought he might do.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

I've been very tempted to take Bowser over Snake...but I have Tidus beating Bowser, and I've barely gotta take Solid over Tidus.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

So....Bowser's become a lock against Ryu?
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Spring Contest 2005 - 68/80 points
"Not even death can save you from me" - Diablo

Having picked Dante over Ryu in 2k3, Dante still did well; he supposedly gained after DMC2, after all.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

Can someone tell me why Bowser>Ryu? I have a gut feeling Ryu can beat him but everyone keeps saying Bowser will win.
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Bowser is by no means a lock to win. Ryu's strength is no joke, and he's proven to be as consistent as they come.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Bowser's certainly not a lock over Ryu, but I'm more confident in Tidus and Bowser to take that division than I am for Ryu.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

Bowser, IMO, is far from a lock against Ryu. I think Ryu can take him down.
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Spring Contest 2005 - 68/80 points
"Not even death can save you from me" - Diablo

One of the only matches that I'm still worried about is Vivi vs. Zelda. I have Zelda. Gut instinct, really. :/
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

I had no problems on having Bowser over Tidus, but I've look like a dozen times Bowser/Snake, and for now I have Bowser winning. Bowser just did so well in the Villian Contest, and Snake NOT being stable...
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Support Vincent Valentine in the Character Contest!
swrd slsh attck yr ded--ertyu language

Well, it all depends on how much stock you put into the Spring Contest itself, and how much stock you put into anything involving Sephiroth. Honestly, it's possible Bowser didn't change. Besides, he's the one with ground to make up, not Ryu.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

I'm really starting to think that Cloud can beat Link, for whatever reason.

By the way, I don't think that Terra will be stronger than Kefka. She isn't going to get her sprite in the match pic, and it's going to be 2003 Kefka all over again due to her not having appeared in a contest before; Kefka has been in three of these things now, and everyone now knoes him. She'll have her name, but nothing else. At least not for another contest or two.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

I have a feeling that Ryu/Bowser and Vivi/Zelda will be the closest matches of the contest.
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Spring Contest 2005 - 68/80 points
"Not even death can save you from me" - Diablo

We will know if the Villian Contest was a joke or not in this contest, but either if it was or not, Bowser looked impressive. Also, I can't see Bowser losing to Tidus. I just can't. Snake well.....
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Support Vincent Valentine in the Character Contest!
swrd slsh attck yr ded--ertyu language

Heh, I would have preferred to see Squall in the Dream Division instead with the top seed. That division would've been insane if he was at the top instead of Kirby.

Of course, I'd feel even worse for Cecil, but I suppose you could move him with Kirby.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Matter of fact, I'm going to work on a "maximized potential" bracket...
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Bowser's only 1% behind Ryu (assuming he didn't change between 2k3 and 2k4), and if the villain contest is worth anything, he may have gained at least that much.

...Though looking at those stats, he's only 2% behind Snake, and if Liquid is any indicator (again, the villain contest may not be worth much) then Snake could be in serious trouble.
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The King of all Cosmos' route to summer victory:
Round 1: (4) Tidus... LET ME DREAM :

I'm not going to try to mess with seeding TOO much though, only moving them occasionally here or there...
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Even in the Villain Contest, basing off of Sephiroth, Tidus is still closer to Ganon than he is to Bowser. Bowser's a good bit closer to Ganon this past Spring than he was in 2k3...whether you think it's because Bowser has gained or the Villain Contest skewed things, Bowser is still further away from Ganon than Tidus.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

It might not be wise to base things off of 2003...
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

heh, that match could be a SFII lost to SMRPG II...
I'm positive that Bowser can gain that 1%, and that 2% for Snake, I just hope he drops (not necessary like Liquied did) and Bowser wins. Hooray for my upsets!
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Support Vincent Valentine in the Character Contest!
swrd slsh attck yr ded--ertyu language

If Tidus (or possibly Ryu) actually BEATS Bowser, then I'd really worry about Snake's chances to get into the final four.

...I just realized that we may end up seeing Mario/Bowser in the final four -.-;;
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The King of all Cosmos' route to summer victory:
Round 1: (4) Tidus... LET ME DREAM :

And everything would be royally ruined AGAIN. However, all would not be lost as we would have Mr. Consistency himself to save the day.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Point taken, but 2k3 predicted Tidus/Shadow pretty accurately. Ganon got 42% on Sephiroth, and Tidus was in a match that was closer than 49-51. Bowser's 2k3 value was based off of his match with Cloud...the champion that year. There's reason to think Tidus isn't too far off from 2k3, and I say this remembering Sonic/Mega Man's matches against Tidus.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

Man, I'm trying to find a better place for Lloyd and his 2 seed, but it's difficult to switch him with somebody who'd give Zero a good fight except for Auron, and then Ganondorf has a cakewalk to Samus. There's Ryu, too, but I love his placement too much to change it.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Rather, I should say that the stats I pulled from 2k3 have reason to be believed; the worst case that can be made against it is Magus possibly being over-rated (which I still debate with myself about). Even then though, it doesn't change that Tidus was closer to Ganon than Bowser and that Bowser's surprisingly close to Ganon now after what we saw in 2k3.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

I'll bring up this interesting point: Leaving Alucard at his 2003 value brings Ganondorf down to nearly the exact same proportion as he holds to Bowser in the Spring Contest. I just think that's possibly worth noting.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Yeah, but look at everything ELSE around Tidus. That could be a coincidence that they ended up being where the stats predicted. Think about it, how many OTHER matches have been predicted that close by the X-stats? There's always something going wrong or something else coming up. We had all of one Shadow match against Mario to determine that. We don't know what the circumstances were behind that. We don't really know how Sonic characters would fare against Nintendo characters. For all we know Tidus AND Shadow were overrated in 2k4.
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

That IS worth noting; I think Sora's gonna win partially because Alucard was raised a lil' too high. Even then though, it STILL doesn't change that Tidus was closer to Ganon than Bowser.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

Hmmm...Regardless of what I do, it's difficult to give Mega Man a decent challenge before running away with his division...
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Which brings me back to what I've been saying: using only Tidus/Ganon, Sephiroth/Bowser, and Sephiroth/Ganon, Tidus still beats Bowser and would be closer to Ganon than Bowser.

To note, those matches alone would suggest Bowser gets 49.02% against Tidus...still close enough for the stats to not be transitive enough to guarantee a Tidus win. Using the common opponent in Seph though and looking at how Tidus did against Ganon, I gotta take Tidus.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

All right, what do you think, guys? Better or worse? What else should I change? What should I have left alone?

Mushroom Division
(1) Mario
(8) Joanna Dark

(4) Ness
(5) Ryu Hayabusa

(3) Zero
(6) Carl Johnson

(2) Auron
(7) Albert Wesker

Zebes Division
(1) Samus
(8) Yuri

(4) Riku
(5) Frog

(3) Lloyd Irving
(6) Yuna

(2) Ganondorf
(7) Big Boss

Gear Division
(1) Solid Snake
(8) Manny Calavera

(4) Vivi
(5) Zelda

(3) Tifa Lockheart
(6) Alucard

(2) Sora
(7) Agent 47

SeeD Division
(1) Squall Leonhart
(8) King of All Cosmos

(4) Tidus
(5) Chun-Li

(3) Bowser
(6) Cecil Harvey

(2) Ryu (Street Fighter)
(7) Rikku

Devil Division
(1) Dante
(8) Geno

(4) Donkey Kong
(5) Zidane Tribal

(3) Kefka
(6) Tommy Vercetti

(2) Crono
(7) Sam Fisher

Flood Division
(1) Master Chief
(8) CATS

(4) Sarah Kerrigan
(5) Vincent Valentine

(3) Magus
(6) Laharl

(2) Kirby
(7) Terra Branford

Chaos Division
(1) Sonic the Hedgehog
(8) Jin Kazama

(4) Kratos Aurion
(5) Diablo

(3) Kratos (God of War)
(6) Vyse the Legend

(2) Luigi
(7) KOS-MOS

20XX Division
(1) Mega Man
(8) Conker

(4) Gordon Freeman
(5) Leon Kennedy

(3) Yoshi
(6) Knuckles the Echidna

(2) Revolver Ocelot
(7) Pac-Man
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

I'll bring up this interesting point: Leaving Alucard at his 2003 value brings Ganondorf down to nearly the exact same proportion as he holds to Bowser in the Spring Contest. I just think that's possibly worth noting.

*Falls down the stairs*
That's the same thing I've brought up before! But all I got thrown towards me was "oh, Alucard is underrated in the 2k3 stats". I swear sometimes.... *sigh*
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

You just slapped Zero AND Ryu Hayabusa in the face... but the rest of the bracket looks okay.
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

What? I actually gave Hayabusa a winnable match. What's wrong with that?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

hayabusa won't win, he'll muff it up with a bad picture.
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"Once you become as powerful as me, your have to take care of small time pests." - Saddler
"SADDLER, YOU'RE SMALL TIME!" - Leon, RE4

He's got a better chance of beating Ness than he does Zero.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Oh no, I just meant that you slapped both of them in the face if you think CJ and Ness would give them any resemblance of a challege whatsoever. Zero is out of everyone's league in that division but Mario. The best possible match IN that division IS CJ/Ness.

You took away Sonic's only competition in that division, although I have no problem with that at all... Tifa gets an attempt at Snake instead. Fine by me. The rest of the changes are fine. You also rescued Zidane, so that's a plus. :)
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

While Zero/Auron's good, I liked Ganon/Auron more. Also liked Ness/CJ better than Ness/Ryu H., though the bracket looks good otherwise.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

Oops. I just saw you stuck Auron in there. Good job, although Zero takes it in my opinion. MM/Tidus references all over that one although it would be MUCH much closer.
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Yeah, I cleared out Sonic's competition, but I think I at least opened up the bottom half of his division by moving Tifa. I tried averting SFF where I could.

I like Auron/Ganondorf, too, but there's not a good place to move Lloyd as a 2 seed, and I think a match with Yuna would be debatable.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

I woulda took Auron over Zero, personally. *shrugs* Again, a good match, I just like Ganon/Auron better.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

What do y'all think of the new "SeeD Division?" Now you've got four possible winners, heh. I also liked the idea of giving Laharl his rightful place as high power fodder, and actually giving Knux a fighting chance to escape round 1.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

I wanted to move Riku or Frog, too, but there doesn't really seem to be anywhere that fits...
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

You've got my two favorite characters going at it. Instant win.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Yeah, I fixed up Magus/Laharl just for you, Ulti. I fixed up Squall/King of All Cosmos just for Janus.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

My thoughts:

If Ness beats Ryu H (which wouldn't really surprise me), he gets SFFed.
Frog/Riku seems like a waste of a 4/5, but there isn't really anyone who'd be a better opponent for Frog that doesn't already have a decent match, except maybe someone in the SeeD division in round 1, like Squall... >_>
Tifa would probably SFF Sora.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo
DK/Zidane will be interesting, since we'll see how Zidane compares to Vivi.
Kefka is still screwed regardless of whether or not he wins his first match.
Haha, Magus/Laharl.
Kirby/Terra seems like a much better match than Terra/Dante, despite the appeal of Kirby/Dante.
Kratos/KOS-MOS/Luigi seems interesting enough.
...as does Yoshi/Knux/Ocelot.

Pretty good bracket overall.
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The King of all Cosmos' route to summer victory:
Round 1: (4) Tidus... LET ME DREAM :

Hmmm....What about switching Ganondorf's and Kirby's placement? Sure, I end up ripping Terra off by putting her against Ganon, but that sets up a rematch with Magus. Then you end up with a Lloyd/Kirby matchup, which COULD be interesting.

What about switching Tifa with Yoshi? That at least gives Mega Man some potentially difficult matchup in his division, and Alucard/Yoshi is a decent first round match.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Still, I like my Yoshi/Knuckles first round match. I think I'll keep that.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

i just noticed big boss's match is right before snake's now the mgs fanbase tend to go only for snake since he is their number one man but big boss is almost an exact clone of snake and the fanbase will vote for him since he is the main char in his game. so with his match only a day before snake's might help him as in not getting thrashed. is that reasonable?
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

Well, Big Boss will very likely get his Metal Gear Solid concept pic (the one shown in the character description page). He certainly won't look like an exact copy of Snake.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

I can understand people believing that Terra should be stronger than Kefka. There's definitely legitimate reasons to believe that.

What I can't understand, is how someone can be absolutely, positively convinced that Terra>Kefka and that there's virtually no chance for it to be otherwise. There has be to at least a decent bit of doubt in one's mind that Kefka might be stronger than Terra; even if one believes that Terra will very likely be stronger.

Yet there are multiple people in this thread who seem adamant that Terra>Kefka. Out of all things to be nigh-certain about, why that?
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www.SC2K5.com

Terra for the win, come on people, she turns into a fluffy pink Esper! You can't beat that!!! Old school charm baby.
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VOTE FOR TERRA, SUMMER 2005 CONTEST!

Going through the bracket...

Zero/Auron is great. I like the whole division.

Yuna/Lloyd is good. Ganon's wasted in that division though. I'd say to switch him and Alucard. That gives him matches against Tifa, Sora, and Snake, all of which could be quite good, and then a match against Bowser. There might be SFF, but that's actually a good SFF match.

Gear division...not interesting...at all. We've seen Aeris vs. Sora, we don't need Tifa vs. Sora. Tifa vs. Alucard could be good, but I doubt it. Maybe put Tifa against Frog, that could be a great match.

Chun Li's still getting the shaft. Put her up against Kratos instead, that could be close, and same with Tidus vs. Diablo. Squall vs. Tidus is a great match though.

Devil division's looking pretty lifeless, except DK/Zidane. Maybe Switch Dante and Kerrigan? Kerrigan vs. Geno and DK could both be good matches, and this way we get Dante to have a good match too.

Flood Division is much better. I like Chief vs. Magus and Vincent.

Kratos vs. Vyse is good, Kratos vs. Diablo could be good, and Luigi vs. Sonic is good revenge for Mario vs. Shadow.

Knuckles vs. Yoshi could be good, rest of division is plain. It's a shame Mega Man and Sonic don't get to face Chief, Ganon, Auron, etc., but they can be in good matches elsewhere, so I'm fine with that.

Overall, pretty great. The only other thing I can think of is switching Crono and Mario's divisions, so that we have Mario vs. Chief and Mega/Sonic, but I'm not sure if that would be a good change or not.

Yet there are multiple people in this thread who seem adamant that Terra>Kefka. Out of all things to be nigh-certain about, why that?

Perhaps because it's depressing to think that FFVI doesn't have any strong characters. CT and FFVI were very close in the games contest, and Crono, despite having no personality, still quadrupled Kefka. Why should CT characters (and FFIX characters, and FFVIII characters, and FFX characters) be so much stronger than FFVI characters?

Between that Tidus/Bowser/Ryu mess, I've been going back and forth on whether I should pick Tidus or Bowser. The only thing that really bugs me is that Tidus was not as low as his match with Mega Man suggested.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Ngamer64
3 - yoblazer33
4 - Team Rocket Elite
5 - Ballpoint Pencil
6 - HaRRicH
7 - NewLib
8 - Heroic Mario
9 - RPGGamer0
10- Tirofog
11 - Haste2
12 - Fiop
13 - Starion
14 - Lopen
15 - greatone10
16 - MegatokyoEd
17 - SonicRaptor
18 - Lucid Faia
19 - Draco1214
20 - Gr8CyberMonkey
21 - Heroic Viktor (tnote)
22 - Undeniable
23 - CaptainFlufflez
24 - Dranze
25 - Vile Requiem
26 - Forceful Dragon
27 - Lieutenant Kettch
28 - swirldude
29 - andaca
30 - Ed_Bellis
31 - RPGuy96
32 - Janus5000
33 - Dilated Chemist
34 - Applekidjosh
35 - Mac Arrowny
36 - Z1mZum
37 - Link Jr
38 - Aprosenf
39 - Chinballz
40 - somdude04
41 - Buzzup
42 - Silverflame
43 - cavedog0
44 - Shake
45 - Lettuce Kefka
46 - Rufus Shinra 18
47 - Gooper Blooper
48 - Ringworm
49 - stepintothearena
50 - Zylo the wolf
51 - Fantusta
52 - XxSoulxX
53 - Heroic Gamma Ray
54 - jonthomson
55 - Master Moltar
56 - XIII is cool
57 - Tediz247
58 - charmander6000
59 - plasmabeam
60 - Phediuk
61 - alpha door
62 - ExThaNemesis
63 - Tai
64 - Shdwdde
65 - VicPez
66 - Sir Bormun
67 - Tjian
68 - Brainstruck
69 - ChichiriMuyo
70 - ShinDragon (sidharta)
71 - Brett with Atreyu
72 - Smurf87
73 - DeeJayDragon
74 - Weird Kirby Dude11
75 - DomaDragoon
76 - dragoontheguy
77 - Radix
78 - rpgapzx
79 - PugTheNinja
80 - Kaxon
81 - FastFalcon05
82 - ubarn
83 - King Morgoth
84 - Mithrandir1331
85 - cyko
86 - Fett0001
87 - SecondBest
88 - Shivan Reincarnated
89 - outback
90 - A worlds envy
91 - Crono801
92 - LuniNutz99
93 - Sephirot1
94 - ExquisiteSamurai
95 - SlangEdter41
96 - voltch
97 - transience
98 - igota75
99. dethfddddh
100 - red sox 777
101 - Yesmar
102 - ff6man
103 - arkenaga
104 - meche313
105 - BeTheMan
106 - bigkevinm84
107 - Steinershocker
108 - MasterMage119
109 - Acronym
110 - SoulKnightX
111 - perdevious
112 - Jman_gamerX8
113 - fallenstar
114 - ps2rulezzz

Have to be in this time time again.
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Yet there are multiple people in this thread who seem adamant that Terra>Kefka. Out of all things to be nigh-certain about, why that?

I'm not one of the people who thinks Terra will be stronger than Kefka without question, but I would be rather shocked to see her weaker. She plays far more of a role in the game, it's focus is dominantly around her, and she is the hero of the game. There are few instances one can bring up where the hero type character of the game is weaker than the villain. Even among FF, villains not named Sephiroth tend to be very poorly in the contest.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Ngamer64
3 - yoblazer33
4 - Team Rocket Elite
5 - Ballpoint Pencil
6 - HaRRicH
7 - NewLib
8 - Heroic Mario
9 - RPGGamer0
10- Tirofog
11 - Haste2
12 - Fiop
13 - Starion
14 - Lopen
15 - greatone10
16 - MegatokyoEd
17 - SonicRaptor
18 - Lucid Faia
19 - Draco1214
20 - Gr8CyberMonkey
21 - Heroic Viktor (tnote)
22 - Undeniable
23 - CaptainFlufflez
24 - Dranze
25 - Vile Requiem
26 - Forceful Dragon
27 - Lieutenant Kettch
28 - swirldude
29 - andaca
30 - Ed_Bellis
31 - RPGuy96
32 - Janus5000
33 - Dilated Chemist
34 - Applekidjosh
35 - Mac Arrowny
36 - Z1mZum
37 - Link Jr
38 - Aprosenf
39 - Chinballz
40 - somdude04
41 - Buzzup
42 - Silverflame
43 - cavedog0
44 - Shake
45 - Lettuce Kefka
46 - Rufus Shinra 18
47 - Gooper Blooper
48 - Ringworm
49 - stepintothearena
50 - Zylo the wolf
51 - Fantusta
52 - XxSoulxX
53 - Heroic Gamma Ray
54 - jonthomson
55 - Master Moltar
56 - XIII is cool
57 - Tediz247
58 - charmander6000
59 - plasmabeam
60 - Phediuk
61 - alpha door
62 - ExThaNemesis
63 - Tai
64 - Shdwdde
65 - VicPez
66 - Sir Bormun
67 - Tjian
68 - Brainstruck
69 - ChichiriMuyo
70 - ShinDragon (sidharta)
71 - Brett with Atreyu
72 - Smurf87
73 - DeeJayDragon
74 - Weird Kirby Dude11
75 - DomaDragoon
76 - dragoontheguy
77 - Radix
78 - rpgapzx
79 - PugTheNinja
80 - Kaxon
81 - FastFalcon05
82 - ubarn
83 - King Morgoth
84 - Mithrandir1331
85 - cyko
86 - Fett0001
87 - SecondBest
88 - Shivan Reincarnated
89 - outback
90 - A worlds envy
91 - Crono801
92 - LuniNutz99
93 - Sephirot1
94 - ExquisiteSamurai
95 - SlangEdter41
96 - voltch
97 - transience
98 - igota75
99. dethfddddh
100 - red sox 777
101 - Yesmar
102 - ff6man
103 - arkenaga
104 - meche313
105 - BeTheMan
106 - bigkevinm84
107 - Steinershocker
108 - steve illumina
109 - Naye745
110 - MasterMage119
111 - Acronym
112 - SoulKnightX
113 - perdevious
114 - Jman_gamerX8
115 - fallenstar
116 - ps2rulezzz
117 - KingBartz

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>_>

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KingBartz: Been a full Virgin since '87

That bracket had MC facing a division of fodder, with vincent and magus the only decent matches.
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KingBartz: Been a full Virgin since '87

Magus is more than a decent match, its the perfect match for MC.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Ngamer64
3 - yoblazer33
4 - Team Rocket Elite
5 - Ballpoint Pencil
6 - HaRRicH
7 - NewLib
8 - Heroic Mario
9 - RPGGamer0
10- Tirofog
11 - Haste2
12 - Fiop
13 - Starion
14 - Lopen
15 - greatone10
16 - MegatokyoEd
17 - SonicRaptor
18 - Lucid Faia
19 - Draco1214
20 - Gr8CyberMonkey
21 - Heroic Viktor (tnote)
22 - Undeniable
23 - CaptainFlufflez
24 - Dranze
25 - Vile Requiem
26 - Forceful Dragon
27 - Lieutenant Kettch
28 - swirldude
29 - andaca
30 - Ed_Bellis
31 - RPGuy96
32 - Janus5000
33 - Dilated Chemist
34 - Applekidjosh
35 - Mac Arrowny
36 - Z1mZum
37 - Link Jr
38 - Aprosenf
39 - Chinballz
40 - somdude04
41 - Buzzup
42 - Silverflame
43 - cavedog0
44 - Shake
45 - Lettuce Kefka
46 - Rufus Shinra 18
47 - Gooper Blooper
48 - Ringworm
49 - stepintothearena
50 - Zylo the wolf
51 - Fantusta
52 - XxSoulxX
53 - Heroic Gamma Ray
54 - jonthomson
55 - Master Moltar
56 - XIII is cool
57 - Tediz247
58 - charmander6000
59 - plasmabeam
60 - Phediuk
61 - alpha door
62 - ExThaNemesis
63 - Tai
64 - Shdwdde
65 - VicPez
66 - Sir Bormun
67 - Tjian
68 - Brainstruck
69 - ChichiriMuyo
70 - ShinDragon (sidharta)
71 - Brett with Atreyu
72 - Smurf87
73 - DeeJayDragon
74 - Weird Kirby Dude11
75 - DomaDragoon
76 - dragoontheguy
77 - Radix
78 - rpgapzx
79 - PugTheNinja
80 - Kaxon
81 - FastFalcon05
82 - ubarn
83 - King Morgoth
84 - Mithrandir1331
85 - cyko
86 - Fett0001
87 - SecondBest
88 - Shivan Reincarnated
89 - outback
90 - A worlds envy
91 - Crono801
92 - LuniNutz99
93 - Sephirot1
94 - ExquisiteSamurai
95 - SlangEdter41
96 - voltch
97 - transience
98 - igota75
99. dethfddddh
100 - red sox 777
101 - Yesmar
102 - ff6man
103 - arkenaga
104 - meche313
105 - BeTheMan
106 - bigkevinm84
107 - Steinershocker
108 - steve illumina
109 - Naye745
110 - MasterMage119
111 - Acronym
112 - SoulKnightX
113 - perdevious
114 - Jman_gamerX8
115 - fallenstar
116 - ps2rulezzz
117 - KingBartz
118 - Heroic Knuckles
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"From now on, anyone that makes fun of me, I'll kill them, just like that!"
"Eddie, have you gone nuts?"

I'm going to try something different from Leonhart: I'm going to just revamp the seeding so it makes a bit more sense, keeping every single match in place. And convert the bracket to 16x4, since I prefer it over 8x8. If you want 8x8, divide the seeds by 2 and round up.

/ (1) Samus Aran
\ (16) Yuri Hyuga
/ (8) Frog
\ (9) Riku
/ (5) Auron
\ (12) Big Boss
/ (4) Ganondorf Dragmire
\ (13) Yuna
/ (6) Lloyd Irving
\ (11) Albert Wesker
/ (3) Zero
\ (14) Ryu Hayabusa
/ (7) Carl Johnson
\ (10) Ness
/ (2) Mario Mario
\ (15) Joanna Dark

/ (1) Solid Snake
\ (16) Manny Calavera
/ (8) Zelda
\ (9) Vivi Ornitier
/ (5) Alucard Tepes
\ (12) Kratos (GoW)
/ (4) Sora
\ (13) Agent 47
/ (6) Bowser
\ (11) Chun Li
/ (3) Ryu (SF)
\ (14) Rikku
/ (7) Kirby
\ (10) Cecil Harvey
/ (2) Tidus
\ (15) King of all Cosmos

/ (1) Crono
\ (16) Zidane Tribal
/ (8) Tommy Vercetti
\ (9) Kefka Palazzo
/ (5) Donkey Kong
\ (12) Sam Fisher
/ (4) Master Chief
\ (13) CATS
/ (6) Dante Sparda
\ (11) Terra Branford
/ (3) Vincent Valentine
\ (14) Sarah Kerrigan
/ (7) Janus "Magus" Zeal
\ (10) Knuckles the Echidna
/ (2) Squall Leonhart
\ (15) Geno

/ (1) Megaman
\ (16) Conker
/ (8) Leon Kennedy
\ (9) Gordon Freeman
/ (5) Revolver Ocelot
\ (12) Pac-Man
/ (4) Yoshi
\ (13) Laharl
/ (6) Luigi Mario
\ (11) KOS-MOS
/ (3) Tifa Lockheart
\ (14) Vyse
/ (7) Diablo
\ (10) Kratos Aurion
/ (2) Sonic the Hedgehog
\ (15) Jin Kazama

Dang, the Dream and Devil divisions were *****es to re-seed, so that's why there's all that funky stuff, like Magus a 7, Tidus > Ryu > Bowser (though to be fair, they could all go to the Elite 8) and so on. I had to keep the lower seeds in mind, so that explains most of these.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

Quick question just for kicks: If Ceej held another pre-contest poll asking for the character you'd like to see have a major upset, which five characters would you like to see on the poll?

I'd go with Chun-Li, Knuckles, Terra, Big Boss, & Agent 47.

Sonic deserves the first seed instead of mageman.

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Smurf , the cream of sonic fanboyism

Sonic deserves NOTHING.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

Sonic is pitiful its company isnt even really Sega anymore its Sammy Sega Holdings. I Think any character on firm ground deserves to take its place which clearly Sonic is not on.

I'd wanna see Terra, Manny, and Knuckles in it for sure...then throw in, say, Kratos Auron and KOS-MOS.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

Smurf is incorrect, no one deserves a 1 seed more than Mage Man
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Trainer: Clinkeroth, do mega fanboy attack!
Clinkeroth: CLINKEROTH! ~Pibb of Truth

From: Who Cares? | Posted: 7/1/2005 9:36:32 AM | #285
Quick question just for kicks: If Ceej held another pre-contest poll asking for the character you'd like to see have a major upset, which five characters would you like to see on the poll?

Terra, Cecil, KOS-MOS, Kerrigan, and CATS. You can't have one of those polls without CATS.
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Light is but a farewell gift from the darkness to those on their way to die. ~The Boss
ZSB [aX]

Sonic deserves NOTHING

Oh, no you didn't. Ohhhh, no you didn't just say that.

Man, this bat over your head..it's over! :-|

Quick question just for kicks: If Ceej held another pre-contest poll asking for the character you'd like to see have a major upset, which five characters would you like to see on the poll?

Terra, Cecil, Kerrigan, CATS, and Gordon Freeman. :-)
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I don't think he'd include Gordon Freeman. He's technically the seeding favorite...
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Freeman has no chance. Maybe before RE4, but now he's lost.
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"From now on, anyone that makes fun of me, I'll kill them, just like that!"
"Eddie, have you gone nuts?"

Smurf is incorrect, no one deserves a 1 seed more than Mage Man

Thanks, but I didn't get into this contest.
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

I know many brackets will be broken when overrated overseeded Sonic takes a beating against...???

I know who he will lose to, but I aint revealing my inner wisdom just yet...still too early...let the noobs ponder it...the fanbabies soil their drawers over it...

Sonic...he will never win a contest here...and neither will Samus for that matter...upper midcarders at best....yep.
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Steve Illumina: 'Sage of Board 8', Renowned Author, MK Master, Noob Basher & Fanbaby Smacker!Score: 0/0

and neither will Samus for that matter

All Samus has to do is beat Mario and she wins this year.
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Trainer: Clinkeroth, do mega fanboy attack!
Clinkeroth: CLINKEROTH! ~Pibb of Truth

Crono > Samus is a popular pic...

Crono/Mario was 54-46 last year..

You really think Sammy is going to break 55%+ vs Mario?
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May 05 NPD Sales - PSP - 250k. DS - 57k.
PSP trumps DS by 4.38x in sales for the month of May.

All Samus has to do is beat Mario and she wins this year.

...

Except that isn't the case at all.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

She could...but even if she doesn't, I still think she won't lose to Crono. We could all just blame it on SFF.
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SC2K5: Samus is going all the way!

Crono/Samus is a toss up...
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May 05 NPD Sales - PSP - 250k. DS - 57k.
PSP trumps DS by 4.38x in sales for the month of May.

You really think Crono is going to break 60% on cloud?
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As much as I want to put something original about the Guru Contest here, I can't, because Yoblazer owned me way too hard.

I was talking about Mainbracket..

Not ToC
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May 05 NPD Sales - PSP - 250k. DS - 57k.
PSP trumps DS by 4.38x in sales for the month of May.

How much of a boost do you guys think Master Chief will get from Halo 2?

It brought in a ton of new fans to the series. You can't tell me it didn't, what with the massive amount of hype, advertising, and the fact that it became the best-selling Xbox game ever within two months.

I honestly think he could give Magus a run for his money. Maybe even Sonic...
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

I think if the Chief can break 40% on Crono, he's done a good job.
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Vote for Kirby in SC2K5!

Man, I've been thinking about Kefka and Vercetti, and I think Kefka has this one now. He seems to have increased, and it's hard to shake that Vercetti got 50.48% against DK once, while despite Kefka getting similar results against Pac-Man, like I said, doesn't seem to matter much as it did then, since he seems stronger now. If Vercetti was in San Andreas, I would have thought he would win for sure, but he isn't, apart from the fact I feel San Andreas' status in terms of FAQs is the only thin ice that could either just put him over Ness, or simply do nothing for him at all and be the next Jak.

Yeah, just another two cents from me on that.

Besides, my bracket's no longer totally cookie cutter. :-)
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Well the problem is Master Cheif is way overranked in 2k4. Lets face it, adjusting Mega Man for SFF made a few things look funky, the MC/Frog/LS trio is one of them. Snake lost by 4% more to Mega Man, and won by over 1 percent less on Knuckles, who could of also dropped and when SFF adjusted upwards makes Frog/LS/MC ridiculously strong. I cant be convinced MC gained 6% on Halo 2 hype alone. The fact is even on a Sephiroth who looked weaker in the SC2k5, Liquid Snake would of had to of been SFFd by 46 PERCENT to get up to his 2k4 numbers. Thats on a weaker Sephiroth. Just to show you where 46% is on the SFF scale, its a few percents over Crono/Magus and Mario/Bowser. I know there might be reason to believe FFVII/MGS SFF exists, but to that degree?

Fact is if you keep MC at his same percentage as 2003, which means he increased as much as Link did, everything looks much more reasonable. Liquid's SFF level drops to 28% and if you consider him decreasing from his 2003 level you can get it down to around 15. This puts Frog/MC at around Dante/Kirby level which I believe is much more realistic. Looking how Crash didnt decrease 3% againist Link like everyone else for no apparent reason makes this all seem MUCH more likely.

So a MC with say a 3-4 percent increase from Halo 2, puts him around 29-30% which is exactly where I see him.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Based off the fact that MC only lost to Frog by 7 votes, making them practially equal, I could say MC would do a lot better than Frog, since Frog would be SFF'D. Heh...I think 40% might be somewhat of a reach against Crono, but MC might be able to do it.
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40% seems like a good call. I don't trust the numbers on this one; there's too much to doubt between Mega Man's division in the SC2k4 and Sephiroth's performance in the Spring. Ignoring past results, you'd think MC would be pretty strtong, particularly after Halo 2.
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There is no lawyer.

If MC even reaches the level he is "supposedly" at last year, he gets 40% on Crono.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

About Terra. After thinking about it, I'm starting to think she really has a chance against Dante. Hear me out.

Look at the difference between FF heroes and non-Sephiroth villains. Look at the strengths of Squall, Vivi, Tidus, and Auron. Now look at the strengths of Kefka, Who Cares, and Not Robotnik. There's a big difference. What evidence do we have that FF3/6j heroes aren't just as strong as the other heroes? Lack of contest appearances? That didn't stop Aeris or Vivi from doing well. FF3/6j is the second-most popular FF on this site. It would not be farfetched to assume that Terra is capable of a top twenty finish. We're just not sure what exactly her ceiling is. Her floor is somewhere above Kefka, guaranteed.

And now for my next question. Is Vincent capable of beating Terra? This guy was unrequired. He was a hidden character who was easy to miss if you didn't look out for him (I missed him my first playthrough), and I highly doubt that he's as strong as Aeris or Tifa.

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

Heh, I saw Secret of Mana on sale today for 45 GBP (c. $80). Cart only. Extortionate or not?
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Terra is probably the biggest wild card of the contest, along with Vincent. For Terra's floor, I'd say 22%, which is just above Donkey Kong's 2K4 value. As fo her ceiling, I'd say 27%, which puts her a hair above Sora. If she falls right between those values, that's 24.5%, enough to beat Tommy Vercetti. I would personally put her at around 25.25%, which is just shy of what she would need to beat Dante. This match just got more interesting.

As for Vincent, I would put his floor at 25%, right above Shadow and Knuckles. As for his ceiling, I'll be generous and give him 32%, between Ganondorf and Zero.
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Light is but a farewell gift from the darkness to those on their way to die. ~The Boss
ZSB [aX]

Terra won't be causing much damage in the contest.

If she's anything more than a modicum stronger than Kefka, I'll be surprised.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

I think Terra can beat Dante, but I don't think she could beat Vincent.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

I don't think Terra can beat either.
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Clinkeroth: CLINKEROTH! ~Pibb of Truth

Vincent I can understand. After all, he is from the same series, from a more popular game, though he plays a MUCH lesser role in it than Terra played in FF3/6j. But I'd like to hear why Terra can't beat Dante.

In other words, I don't care what you guys think. Tell me WHY you think that way, and we might have a conversation here.

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

Master chief is still mid table and will suprise many.
If he turns out to be stronger then Knuckles, I personally will be shocked.

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Smurf , the cream of sonic fanboyism

Fine. I don't think Terra can beat Dante because she and Zidane are the only to main characters who AREN'T the first choice of getting in the contest. I expect Zidane to be weaker than Vivi and I expect Terra to be weaker than Kefka, as the whole thing is a unique case anyway.
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

Master Chief's fate is the most predictable thing about this contest. He's not worth any discussion.
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Light is but a farewell gift from the darkness to those on their way to die. ~The Boss
ZSB [aX]

Well, other outside factors influence Zidane possibly being weaker than Vivi. I don't see any reason for Terra to be weaker than Kefka.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Can anyone give me a link to the all-time standings, please?

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Lets not forget that Zidane is a FF hero. Those are a powerful breed.

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Smurf , the cream of sonic fanboyism

I thought we established a long time ago that nominations mean nothing as far as contest strength is concerned.

What are these "all-time" standings? Never heard of them.

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

I thought, some time ago, someone (>_>) posted a ranked list of all the characters that were ever in a contest.
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The opinions expressed above are not necessarily those of my employer, not necessarily mine, and probably not necessary.

I don't think there's a link anywhere...RPGuy has them saved on a spreadsheet, and I have them.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

...What a waste of time. You can't pit a character from one year against a character from another year and expect a reliable result. If we could alter time and see a match between 2004 Link and 2003 Cloud, we could come up with stats like that, but we can't. Character strengths fluctuate way too much.

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

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...What a waste of time. You can't pit a character from one year against a character from another year and expect a reliable result

...That's not really the point of them.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

...That's not really the point of them.

That's what it sounded like.

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

It was used more to compare how character strengths have changed across contests. He's got a column for each year and the strength listed. Then he puts out the strength differential, and then he has a Summer Contest "average strength."
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

I see.

Thank you anyways.
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The opinions expressed above are not necessarily those of my employer, not necessarily mine, and probably not necessary.

Zidane would we way weaker than Vivi, that's almost for sure.

...What a waste of time. You can't pit a character from one year against a character from another year and expect a reliable result. If we could alter time and see a match between 2004 Link and 2003 Cloud, we could come up with stats like that, but we can't. Character strengths fluctuate way too much.

We can say with extremely high confidence that Link 2K4 improved between 4%-10% over Link 2K3; actually it's very likely to be fairly tightly around 6%. Comparing across years is not nearly as outlandish as you seem to think.

Though, in most cases, it's not really all that useful. But useful is different than valid.
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I see. It doesn't sound like that would be very useful, and it even sounds potentially misleading.

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

It's more just for number-lovers such as myself and RPGuy. We don't really use them in Summer Contest situations. You could potentially use them to spot "bugs" in the system, if you catch an unusually large swing in strength.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Comparing across years is not nearly as outlandish as you seem to think.

Yes, yes it is. See, we can compare character strengths in one contest because everything is connected.

Link
Dante

Cloud
Solid Snake

Link
Cloud

Link

With that bracket, we can compare Link to Snake, or Dante to Cloud, because it's all connected. There is no relation whatsoever between a contest of one year and a contest of another. With strengths of many characters wildly fluctuating from one year to the next, the idea of trying to compare exact strengths among more than one contest sounds ridiculous to me.

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

And that's only talking about natural swings in character popularity. This is to say nothing of variables in vote stuffing and vote rallying.

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
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This isn't related, but I want the contest to start now. :(

We get way too much time to make our brackets. It should really start in a few days.
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

From: Adept_Of_Aiur | Posted: 7/1/2005 2:16:23 PM | #338
This isn't related, but I want the contest to start now. :(

We get way too much time to make our brackets. It should really start in a few days.

So true, and I thought 3 weeks was going to fly by. It feels like it's been 3 months.
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SC2K5: Samus is going all the way!

There is no relation whatsoever between a contest of one year and a contest of another.

:) Come now. How can you even say something like this?
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There are no numbers to go by that would suggest that 2004 Link > 2003 Cloud, or the opposite. That only thing there is to go by are assumptions, and you guys have been brilliant with assumptions. </sarcasm>

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

Personally, I maintain that Sonic is easily going to win this contest due to the WILD fluctuations of such characters as Mario and Samus.
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

Is Vincent capable of beating Terra? This guy was unrequired. He was a hidden character who was easy to miss if you didn't look out for him (I missed him my first playthrough), and I highly doubt that he's as strong as Aeris or Tifa.

His optional status is not going to hinder him like you're talking. He is still a very liked character from Final Fantasy VII, there's absolutely no denying this. I wouldn't put Vincent in danger of being anywhere near Terra. The lowest I would put him is right under Aeris. I don't believe Terra will be anywhere near that level. So, yes, Vincent is more than capable of beating Terra.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

There are no numbers to go by that would suggest that 2004 Link > 2003 Cloud, or the opposite. That only thing there is to go by are assumptions, and you guys have been brilliant with assumptions. </sarcasm>

Dude. There are large amounts of data suggesting exactly that. To deny that would simply be stating something false.

And that jibe is just silly.
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www.SC2K5.com

His optional status is not going to hinder him like you're talking. He is still a very liked character from Final Fantasy VII, there's absolutely no denying this. I wouldn't put Vincent in danger of being anywhere near Terra. The lowest I would put him is right under Aeris. I don't believe Terra will be anywhere near that level. So, yes, Vincent is more than capable of beating Terra.

Yeah, that could be wishful thinking on my part. Still, Terra over Dante is looking like a great possibility.

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

Vincent is going to beat anyone he meets until he runs into the brick wall known as Magus.

And no, HM, there is absolutely nothing to suggest that Squall will beat either of them.

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Girls throw themselves at him like prostitutes left and right, yet the only girl Cloud wants or cares about throughout the entire game is Sephiroth.- Ulti

Squall has a chance to beat Magus. Perhaps not a huge one, but it does exist.
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And no, HM, there is absolutely nothing to suggest that Squall will beat either of them.

Do I need to type out that rant AGAIN? Squall CAN beat Magus. Let's just leave it at that.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

And no, HM, there is absolutely nothing to suggest that Squall will beat either of them.

No, believe me, there is plenty to suggest that Squall can win regardless of what you have convinced yourself of.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

As much as I hate Squall his chances are realistic. However, I agree with the stance that there's nothing that suggests he will win. It's a coin-toss at best and an auto-win for Magus at worst.
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!

I think Squall has a chance. But having a chance and convincing myself he is going to win is two different beasts entirely.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Yeah, the safe money is still on Magus over Squall.
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!

So how about Ness and CJ.

How many of you picked the latter but are going to vote for the former? <_<

How many of you picked the latter but are going to vote for the former? <_<

*raises hand*
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Round 1: (4) Tidus... LET ME DREAM :

*raises hand*
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Clinkeroth: CLINKEROTH! ~Pibb of Truth

Prediction: 2k6 summer contest will be the contest of comebacks. There will be as many, or more, characters from 2k2-2k4 that missed out on 2k5 as there are new characters. The braket will hold less excitement when looking at it but due to the fact that a lot of the characters were benched we wont be able to gauge them as well as we'd like and the contest will be harder than the doomsayers have been (doom)saying lately. 2k6 will still be a decnet contest.

Divinated that just now, take it as you will (and by as you will I mean fact :p)
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!

What are we raising our hands for again?
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!

Picked CJ to beat Ness, but voting for Ness.

I think a lot of people are missing a fundamental point in their logic. I see a lot of people not putting any emphasis on how well LIKED a character is, and instead put their arguments behind how popular the game is or what role the character plays in the game.

Yes, Vincent may not have an integral role in FFVII, but you cannot ignore that he is well liked. Hell, I don't even like him! But I wouldn't be ignorant enough to know what's going on around me. Even IF he's an optional character, people still know about him. He's listed RIGHT THERE with all the other characters in the Bradygames strategy guide. And it's not like it's THAT hard to get him. The fact of the matter is that he is one of the more popular characters in the game, regardless of whether or not he DESERVES to be. I would think his floor would be slightly below Aeris and his ceiling around Sonic, only because FFVII is that big on this site. I doubt he'd be that high though.... Probably a bit stronger than Aeris overall.

Lucid, with a game like Final Fantasy VI there are MANY characters in the game who have large fanbases. There is little rallying behind a main character in the game. Hell, this board only RECENTLY came to a consensus that Terra is the main character. I'm fairly certain that if you did a poll on favorite FFVI characters, in order, Terra would NOT be the consensus. And even if she were, the other characters, INCLUDING Kefka, wouldn't be far behind. In fact, I think I will make a poll on that to prove it. I don't know whether it would be better to ask for the top 5 or top 10 characters though. Any suggestions? Anybody reading, be sure to add your input if I do decide to do it.
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I picked CJ and I'm bracket-voting for him since I don't care for either one.
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Light is but a farewell gift from the darkness to those on their way to die. ~The Boss
ZSB [aX]

Lucid, with a game like Final Fantasy VI there are MANY characters in the game who have large fanbases. There is little rallying behind a main character in the game. Hell, this board only RECENTLY came to a consensus that Terra is the main character. I'm fairly certain that if you did a poll on favorite FFVI characters, in order, Terra would NOT be the consensus. And even if she were, the other characters, INCLUDING Kefka, wouldn't be far behind. In fact, I think I will make a poll on that to prove it. I don't know whether it would be better to ask for the top 5 or top 10 characters though. Any suggestions? Anybody reading, be sure to add your input if I do decide to do it.

According to favorite character polls, Yoshi > Luigi > Mario > Bowser, and Auron > Rikku > Tidus. The ones who win favorite character polls aren't always the strongest.
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Light is but a farewell gift from the darkness to those on their way to die. ~The Boss
ZSB [aX]

confusing
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Jason Bourne Vs Solid Snake http://www.misterpoll.com/892601008.html

Oh. *raises hand*
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!

main characters suck in rpgs sub characters are better
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Jason Bourne Vs Solid Snake http://www.misterpoll.com/892601008.html

Cecil and Lyndis would both like a word with you.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

According to favorite character polls, Yoshi > Luigi > Mario > Bowser, and Auron > Rikku > Tidus. The ones who win favorite character polls aren't always the strongest.

Those are entirely different cases. Those series have clear cut lead characters. Mario is FAR more prominent than the others, and you know that. That's not a fair comparison at all. I haven't heard much on Rikku > Tidus, but we still don't know who is stronger out of Tidus and Auron.

My point is that FFVI doesn't have a lead character who is a consensus favorite. A LOT of the characters are well liked. I see nothing for Terra that would convince me that she was significantly more popular than other characters from her game. If anything, I would say she could be SLIGHTLY more popular than the other characters. But nothing to suggest a sizeable gap that I see people arguing for.
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

There is no proof that she isnt more popular than the rest of the cast. Popularity polls just among the characters in the same game NEVER give accurate results.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

I just thought about this. I mean, I have Samus beating Seph and all, but I think a Link/Seph match in the ToC would be pretty neat.

Could a rematch between the two disprove the age-old theory of WDF though?
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SC2K5: Samus is going all the way!

I think DMC3 and how Dante has look in the past contest is enough to beat Terra, getting at least 55%. Though, I DON'T think that DMC3 is enough to bring Vincent down. Yes, there could be some people who missed Vincent, but the FFVII fans didn't, and most of the people who replay the game, get Vincent on that playthrough. Also, we're on GameFAQs <--- why wouldn't people not know about Vincent?
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Could a rematch between the two disprove the age-old theory of WDF though?

No. For one thing, their strengths are different. Plus, Sephiroth couldn't even put up a consistent performance against Cloud after ONE year. I doubt he'd be able to do it against Link after three.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

I have Dante winning against Vincent because i think DMC3 will improve him and because vincent isn't know quantity. Either way Magus will beat whoever wins in the match. Plus DMC2 was horrible and it Dante got stronger from it, so I'm assuming a far better game will also improve him.
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Man I hate signitures. It's impossible to decide what to put here!

Once again, DMC3 sells were not up to snuff and it really hasnt been getting the praise that people originally thought it would get. Simply there is the word too hard.

I want to know whats so impressive about Vergil's SC2k5 performance. He would beat CATS by the skin of his chin.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Plus DMC2 was horrible and it Dante got stronger from it, so I'm assuming a far better game will also improve him.

I personally believe higher vote totals brought his strength up more than anything. He came back down in 2004 when vote totals dropped.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

*for the 150,000,000 time* The sell of a game has NOTHING to do with a character's strengh, or popularity, better said. But either way, I don't think it is enough to beat Vincent.
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Then what does have an effect? DMC 3 faqs have dropped like a rock. Public opinion is that DMC 3 was good but not better than the original. PS2 fanboys were more excited about RE4 port than DMC 3.

What matters if those dont?
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Point is, just because a new game has released doesnt guarntee an increase in contest strength. Sonic and Mega Man wrote the book on that one,
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

New releases won't have much effect on established characters unless it's something revolutionary. Something like Sonic Heroes ain't gonna get the job done.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

yes but they both have at least 50 games
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DMC3 is actually good unlike Sonic and Megamans new games.

Also Devil May Cry has had three games in five years. A new DMC game is not introducing hardly anyone to the series. I dont see, by playing both, how people can suddenly start liking Dante more after DMC 3 compared to the original.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

I think the number of games matters less than the time between games. Which would of had a bigger impact DMC 3 which is a good game but came out two years after the last one and within four years of the one before or a SM128 which by the time it releases will be over 4 years away from the last Mario game and 10 years away from the one before that.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

I personally believe higher vote totals brought his strength up more than anything. He came back down in 2004 when vote totals dropped.

I was under the impression that he preformed above expectations in 2k4..... *goes away to check*
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Man I hate signitures. It's impossible to decide what to put here!

You don't see how a new game can improve a character's popularity?
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There is no lawyer.

While it is true that sales don't really matter, they do hold some importance when the character is looking to receive a boost. DMC3 has sold significantly less than both DMC and DMC2. If the game is selling less, where are the new fans coming from? This isn't just a few hundred thousand less, but the game isn't even close to the 1 million mark while the other two broke that with ease.

The public opinion on DMC3 is that it's a good game, but the "boom" it had seems to have dropped like a rock. You really don't hear much about the game anymore... anywhere. This isn't to say that DMC3 won't do anything, but people really shouldn't be expecting much from it.

I was singing a different tune last year, but it's just that DMC3 really didn't have that type of impact that has "boost' written on it.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

No I can see how it could. But I dont think it will in this case. Dante just seems like he is fading.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

And I agree with the others on the subject of more established characters and their games. Mario isn't going to see a boost from something like Paper Mario 2. The next time he increases from a game will be because of Super Mario 128 on the Revolution. Those types of characters need something big for them to increase. Just another game isn't going to do that. But it should serve to at least maintain there ranking from the previous year.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

I was under the impression that he preformed above expectations in 2k4..... *goes away to check*

He actually decreased from 2003 to 2004. What Leonhart said about increased vote totals could have something to do with it, I think.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

seems i was wrong dante dropped about 3% last year... o well im still picking him to beat vincent who i think is being somewhat overrated simply because he has a new game coming out sometime in the future.
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Man I hate signitures. It's impossible to decide what to put here!

I don't think a new game would make any of the well known characters who already have a lot of games out more popular. I find it hard to believe that MMAC, Sonic Heroes, or Zelda Collectors Edition would make people who DIDN'T vote for those characters to vote for them. If anything, the only positive thing I feel those would make an impact on is bringing those fans to the site. I personally think if a new game made a difference for one of the more well known characters (Mario, Link, Sonic, Mega Man), it would have to be a blockbuster game to bring them new fans.

Of course with the Final Fantasy crew (and the Chrono Trigger crew) those characters have only one main game to feed off of, so another game for those characters would work wonders for their popularity (as long as it isn't entirely terrible). Advent Children is a special case in it's own right. It definitely would not do more than a new game would do for Cloud. And I think that with Twilight Princess on the horizon as well, even though we have known about it for over a year, I still think it gives Link enough to maintain an edge over Cloud. That's just my opinion. HM thinks it's absolutely insane NOT to take Cloud to win this. I beg to differ. <_<
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

If anyone is picking Vincent to win a match, just because he has a game coming out with extremely little info and a hype level close to zero, then they are foolish.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

increase/decrease in vote totals seems to affect certain characters more than others. It's really only those who were in the top half of the rankings to begin with and the difference has never been all that huge, with the exception of cloud/sephiroth in 2k3 which had i think we knew was in some form, was going to happen.
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Man I hate signitures. It's impossible to decide what to put here!

Heh, I write too much. HM and Leonhart just said what I said in my entire post in 3-4 lines. (-_-)
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

One thing people never seem to think about is that Aeris got a fairly substantial boost from KH. If Vincent is close to pre-KH Aeris, his chances of beating Magus (or even Dante) are substantially diminished.

Aeris boost is nothing compared to Squall's
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Figured I'd post this here, too. From FFOnline, today, favorite FFVII character poll:

Cloud 31.1%
Sephiroth 25.3%
Vincent 10.9%
Tifa 8.6%
Aeris 7.3%
Red XIII 5.9%
Cid 4.3%
Yuffie 3.4%
Barret 1.9%
Cait Sith 1.3%

Total Votes: 74265

Think what you will.
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There is no lawyer.

One thing people never seem to think about is that Aeris got a fairly substantial boost from KH.

A whomping 2% boost.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

I'd love to see how a poll would go without Cloud or Sephiroth in it.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

And Aeris was stronger in 2002 than Dante has ever been.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

Also Kingdom Hearts was a huge game which actually introduced people like Aeris and Squall to ::gasp:: new fans!
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

And that's a 2% "boost" WITH an increase of 25000 voters between the matches that she lost in those two years (the matches which are used for her extrapolated values). But it's because of KHF right?
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

While it is true that sales don't really matter, they do hold some importance when the character is looking to receive a boost. DMC3 has sold significantly less than both DMC and DMC2. If the game is selling less, where are the new fans coming from? This isn't just a few hundred thousand less, but the game isn't even close to the 1 million mark while the other two broke that with ease.

Let's see...according to my numbers, DMC1 is at 1.08 million, and DMC2 is under a million. IIRC, DMC3 sold above a quarter-million in it's first month, which generally leads to around 700,000 total sales, correct? Which would, I believe, be on par with DMC2, if not better.

A whomping 2% boost.

Yes, a 2% boost. A boost that puts her 2% closer to Magus, in case you didn't notice.

It's difficult to say how much of it was due merely to being in Kingdom Hearts since we had nobody in 2002 who wasn't in KH, so we can't compare them to the rest. For all we know, Final Fantasy characters in general went up as a result.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

If I'm not mistaken, DMC2 did break a million in sales.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

DMC 3 sold 250,000 copies in March and then didnt sell 60,000 copies in April (Dont know the exact sales, just thats it below 60,000).

I doubt its reached 400.000
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Well, it's not on the-magicbox's million-sellers chart, but you could be right.

Let's see...according to my numbers, DMC1 is at 1.08 million, and DMC2 is under a million. IIRC, DMC3 sold above a quarter-million in it's first month, which generally leads to around 700,000 total sales, correct? Which would, I believe, be on par with DMC2, if not better.

Your numbers and my numbers are vastly different then. DMC sold 2.16 million and DMC2 sold 1.5 million. And for the month of May, DMC3 sold 14,000 copies. It took a huge dip is sales after the first month, so much so that to project 700,000 at this point would be ridiculous. It won't anywhere near DMC2's sales, especially between now and the end of the contest.

Going by sales, it is not nearly the amount needed for a boost worth anything.

Yes, a 2% boost. A boost that puts her 2% closer to Magus, in case you didn't notice.

You're free to say "boost," but don't claim it was substantial. Her boost was very small in comparison to many of the other characters from that very game.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

250 + <60,000 + <30,000 +16,000 = 356,000 as the max.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

PS2 DEVIL MAY CRY $6,656 561
PS2 DEVIL MAY CRY 2 $22,450 1,196
PS2 DEVIL MAY CRY 3 $726,648 14,616

There's the amount from DMC1 - DMC3 for the month of May.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

Just the reference I cant find DMC 3 sales for March/April, but I can find the top 20 and 60,000 is 20th place in March and 32,000 is 20th place in April.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

You're free to say "boost," but don't claim it was substantial. Her boost was very small in comparison to many of the other characters from that very game.

Perhaps it's small compared to others, but it's still halfway to Magus.

DMC sold 2.16 million and DMC2 sold 1.5 million.

In America alone? Wow, I guess that chart is out of date. If that's worldwide, then it's irrelevant. Contest-wise, Japanese sales don't count at all, and European sales don't count much either.

April 2005
PS2 DEVIL MAY CRY 11,381 978
PS2 DEVIL MAY CRY 2 33,649 1,719
PS2 DEVIL MAY CRY 3 1,548,068 31,077

March 2005 - Release Date
PS2 DEVIL MAY CRY $29,264 2858
PS2 DEVIL MAY CRY 2 $84,741 4343
PS2 DEVIL MAY CRY 3 $12,467,640 252006

Total: 297,699

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

In America alone?

Upon checking, I opened the wrong file in Word. DMC sold 1.5 million in America and DMC2 sold 1.003 million.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

Still 1.5 to 1.0 to problem topping off at about 450,000.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

The more I think about it, the more I see Dante not getting much of a boost from Devil May Cry 3. Poor sales and not much buzz. The only talk I heard was of its "insane difficulty." It had no more hype than Devil May Cry 2 and will be lucky to get half the sales.

Of course, one argument against this would be Vergil's solid performance in the Spring Contest, to which I say, "what the hell?" I had no idea 64% against a guy NOBODY knows (with one of the worst picture mismatches in history, I might add) was all that impressive. If anything, Vergil's ability to keep Sephiroth from netting 79% is more impressive, and he did that with his, surprise surprise, Devil May Cry 1 picture.

Dante getting a 1 seed seems to be more credible evidence to me, but let's really look at this for a second. Nominations were open for two days. The skeleton guy got in because of Shake. The King of all Cosmos (bless his soul) got in because of the crazy people on this board. Dante likely got his seeding because of the people currently playing (or who have just recently played) DMC3, but as we all know, strength in nominations does not equal strength in the contest, and with the extremely short nomination period we had this year, it's all the more reason to put little faith in them.

I love Dante. He's cool, he's badass, and he's in a new game that has been warmly received. I know nothing about Vincent except that he's FFVII's resident "cool guy," and that's more than enough for me. FFVII is the one entity on this site that has failed to disappoint in the three years we've had contests (unless we count Mario/Cloud 2002), and if I'm going to doubt it, it has to give me reason to do so.

At this point, the only thing worrying me about Vincent is HM's vehement support.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

At this point, the only thing worrying me about Vincent is HM's vehement support

XD

But I think he's right, this time around.
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Pre-Season Analysis Day 4

4 Timers
Mario
Samus
Solid Snake
Alucard
Kirby
Tidus
Ryu
CATS
Donkey Kong
Crono
Dante
Knuckles
Squall
Sonic
Mega Man
Gordon Freeman
Pac-Man
Link
Cloud
Sephiroth

Total: 20

It’s been four years and still there have been 20 characters that have made it to all four of the character contests. This year though we lost nine characters that were in three times, but most of they were fodders anyway. Most of these characters have made a name for themselves in this contest and only three of them are considered fodder.

Out of these characters only two of them have never won a match, they are CATS and Gordon Freeman. Both of these characters are laughing stalks and no one really cares about either of them. CATS’ fanbase is made up of 90% of the people who never played his game, but it was because of the AYB fad. This fad may have died out, but he still shows up for these contests. Gordon on the other hand is because nobody really likes him. He’s been pit up against characters that he should be able to beat with the success of Half-Life, but he still loses. Again this year Gordon Freeman is against a character that he could beat, but he probably won’t for if he did the universe shall implode.

Other than the Noble 9 only three characters have been able to win one match each year. They are Ryu, Dante and Knuckles, but Knuckles is the only one in that group to have never seen the Sweet 16. This year though doesn’t look good for Knuckles for he has to go against Magus and will most likely lose in round 1.

A good reason to why we haven’t let go to the old Noble 9 saying is probably because they’ve all been here since the beginning of these contests. Even though some years we’ve had other characters breaking into the Noble 9 nobody has ever beaten the Noble 9 characters except for themselves.

The other six characters I haven’t mentioned yet are Alucard, Kirby, Tidus, Donkey Kong, Squall and Pac-Man. These characters have also tagged along with us, but don’t really fit in with the above characters. The strongest of the group is Tidus, some may disagree with me and say Squall is stronger, but right now I’m going with Tidus and the weakest is Pac-Man, where the only matches he won were in 2002. Most of these characters are mid-caters and could’ve won a match each year given if they weren’t against such a strong opponent in round 1.

Top 3 Characters Most Likely Not to Make is a Fifth Time

1. CATS
2. Alucard
3. Pac-Man

Honorable Mention: Dante, Donkey Kong, Ryu, Kirby and Knuckles

This was a very hard list to come up with. First of the entire Noble 9 is out of the question so that leaves us with eleven characters. The AYB fad has died out, we’ve seen barley any excitement last year and even less this year, and CATS is soon going to be forgotten (Gordon Freeman, I’m sure will keep on coming to these contests until he wins a match). Alucard to me seems to be an odd-ball to this group along with Dante. The only reason Dante isn’t on the list is because he’s gotten a new game. Pac-Man may be an icon and loved by many, but no one really cares enough to vote for him during polls and with other icons such as Crash or Lara have been token out Pac-Man is sure to follow.

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where's a good place to find a game's total sales? I know of weekly charts, but not total sales.

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Honorable Mention: Dante, Donkey Kong, Ryu, Kirby and Knuckles

Two 1 seeds and a 2 seed on a list of most likely not to see a fifth contest? Does not compute.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

The nomination period this contest wasn't that much shorter than the other nomination periods we've had. It only seems that way because the Spring 2005 nomination period was abnormally long.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

I originally only had DK and Knux, but I decided what the hell.
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17 handhelds Nintendo has taken down 1 more to go (see quote for rest)

Top 3 Characters Most Likely Not to Make is a Fifth Time

1. CATS
2. Alucard
3. Pac-Man

Why not?

and what Sir Crono said.
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I do agree Cats shouldn't make it a fifth time. If this match goes as how I expect it would go(MC 90%-10% or so, the biggest blowout of the first round, i'd say), I'm hoping people come to their senses and not nominate him for another contest. He's just going to go up against another #1 seed, and get crushed. Let's put some other characters more worthy of possibly winning a match than him.
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Summer contest nominees: Sheena Fujibayashi, Lloyd Irving, Dizzy and Slayer(Guilty Gear series), Mewtwo, Laharl, Prier, Lyndis, Kain Highwind, Locke Cole

(MC 90%-10% or so, the biggest blowout of the first round, i'd say)

So then you have Master Chief winning EVERYTHING, including the Tournament of Champions?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Oh heck no, I just think CATS/Cats/whatever is going to get blown out convincingly. I have Samus in my bracket :P
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Summer contest nominees: Sheena Fujibayashi, Lloyd Irving, Dizzy and Slayer(Guilty Gear series), Mewtwo, Laharl, Prier, Lyndis, Kain Highwind, Locke Cole

Out of those 20, I'd put money on Pac-Man being the first to miss a contest. I can see everyone else making it at least another year or two. As for CATS, he'll be in this contest as long as its around. A majority of the board nominates him every year and CJayC has acknowledged CATS as the official joke character of the tournament. He isn't going anywhere, and rightly so.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

But Master Chief getting 90% on CATS is something even Cloud and Link couldn't do.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

I do agree Cats shouldn't make it a fifth time. If this match goes as how I expect it would go(MC 90%-10% or so, the biggest blowout of the first round, i'd say)

LINK couldn't get 90% on CATS. Master Chief even with 83% would be rather generous...
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

not even Link or Cloud could get 90%. CATS gets an automatic 10% or so from his core fanbase and the rest of his strength depends on the strength of his opponent. if he gets a crappy opponent (see: Ansem), he'll get almost enough to actually win a match.
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LINK couldn't get 90% on CATS. Master Chief even with 83% would be rather generous...

Hmm.. Maybe Master Chief can't get 90% after all, just had a thought after reading the responses. Link though I'd feel lost more votes due to anti-voting more than anything. Master Chief is a character that I feel can be anti-voted to death.. but even so, this one's not even going to be close. The only character CATS has gone up against that really doesn't feel like an anti-voteable character is Ryu.
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Summer contest nominees: Sheena Fujibayashi, Lloyd Irving, Dizzy and Slayer(Guilty Gear series), Mewtwo, Laharl, Prier, Lyndis, Kain Highwind, Locke Cole

anti-voting and board voting should make for a comical beginning of the CATS/MC match. it's possible CATS takes an early lead, even if only for a few minutes.
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1. CATS
2. Alucard
3. Pac-Man

Why not?

If he's in the new Castlevania Game then NM move Pac-Man to second and put either DK or Kunx in as third.
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17 handhelds Nintendo has taken down 1 more to go (see quote for rest)

The BOP is incredibly one-sided this year for Round 1. Just look:

Kefka over Vercetti is by far the most popular upset, with 31/70 picks so far.

Vivi over Zelda is the only other upset pick even in the double digits...14-56.

Other upsets:
Kerrigan over Vincent: 9-61
Ness over CJ: 7-63
Kratos over Diablo: 6-64
Kratos over Alucard: 5-65
KOS-MOS over Luigi: 5-65
Terra over Dante: 3-67

Yup...if you're trying to look for a round 1 upset, that list might be useful. That's the reason I made this message, actually...mostly for myself, heh.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

CATS will always make the contests as will Alucard.

The top 3 for not returning are most likely

1. Pac-Man
2. Donkey Kong
3. Tidus(He always gets lower seeds than Auron and I could see him missing the contest for some odd reason) or Knuckles

Bowser/Ryu being equally lopsided is ridiculous. Ryu has more than a fair chance to win this match.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

Funny that 1 or 2 people have what I have in the Dream Division. If I get this right I could score big.

Tidus > Ryu > Bowser
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In regards to the BOP, as I said in the BOP topic, I have never doubted the consensus as much as I do here. The degree by which many characters are favored just seems crazy (Bowser vs. Ryu being just one example, as Slowflake mentioned).

I believe that there will be at least two results in which a character who is very heavily favored according to the BOP, will lose. There are matches which seem like toss-ups, and are moderately uncertain at best, yet the BOP is totally decisive in one character's favor.
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I believe that there will be at least two results in which a character who is very heavily favored according to the BOP, will lose. There are matches which seem like toss-ups, and are moderately uncertain at best, yet the BOP is totally decisive in one character's favor.


Not to mention the overwhelming lead Link has over Cloud. 52/18. That is crazy, Link should gain little if any popularity, if any, since last contest, and Cloud will have AC out by then. So, I 100% agree with that.

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"Chief, I smell ass and it's coming from your direction." - FFMrebirth
Go, Pack, Go!

Y'know, I've been thinking. While this bracket is far harder to predict than last year's, I think that very few, or none at all, of the matches will be VERY close, Like Ryu VS Jill, Frog VS LS and MC Vs Frog.

That makes me sad ;_;
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Yoblazer did rather well in the guru contest.
Rather well, indeed.

Nobody thought any of those matches would be close(well some thought Ryu H vs Jill would) before the contest. We won't know to the actual matches take place.

O_o

Come now, I certainly expected Jill VS Ryu and Frog VS LS to be that close.

I can't have been the only one.
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Yoblazer did rather well in the guru contest.
Rather well, indeed.

Kerrigan over Vincent: 9-61
Nope.
Ness over CJ: 7-63
I don't know..I DON"T KNOW!! I feel like San Andreas' having FAQs for 3 different consoles in the top 4 is the only thin ice Carl has to beat Ness. Will that be enough? We'll see..but I'm picking Carl.
Kratos over Diablo: 6-64
Kratos over Alucard: 5-65
Y HELL NO THAR!
KOS-MOS over Luigi: 5-65
You know what? On paper, it looks like Mario's bro would kill her just for being associated with Mario, but now that I think about it and looks deeper in this match, KOS-MOS might pull it off. We'll find out. I'm still undecided, but right now my bracket has Luigi.
Terra over Dante: 3-67
Not taking that. Sorry.
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New BOP update, complete with odds, if anyone's interested.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

My three picks for "not seeing a fifth time"

1. Pac-Man (everyone knows who he is, but doesn't really care...I can see him tettering into oblivion come 2K6).

2. Knuckles (if Tails and Shadow missed a contest, then Knux has to be at risk)

3. Gordon Freeman/CATS (the joke nominations from Board 8 will help their chances, but that's all they can count on)
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Today's subliminal thought is:

Pac's in danger indeed. He's just about the only lower-rank legend to have made it. Lara, Duke and Crash are all gone.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

Zell3 may be on to something; Jin has great odds to win it all...
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He's just about the only lower-rank legend to have made it. Lara, Duke and Crash are all gone.

And you know what? I say good riddance.
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Tell me WHY you think that way, and we might have a conversation here.

I already told you, the match pic. CJayC has never used a sprite for a popular character in the first round, and if Kefka is any indication he's going to stick Terra with some crappy Amano art.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

If MC even reaches the level he is "supposedly" at last year, he gets 40% on Crono.

Based on the adjusted stats. Unadjusted have him just over 36%, I believe. Right now, I think MC'll get a lil' over 39% against Crono, though 40% definitely not out of reach.

And now for my next question. Is Vincent capable of beating Terra? This guy was unrequired. He was a hidden character who was easy to miss if you didn't look out for him (I missed him my first playthrough), and I highly doubt that he's as strong as Aeris or Tifa.

While I've begun to essentially put Vincent on Aeris's level, should Terra and Vincent go head-to-head, I could see Terra puttin' up one hell of a fight. Indirectly, I give it to Vincent...but head-to-head could lead to an upset in the same way Magus/Squall could be an upset waiting to happen.

If [Master Chief] turns out to be stronger then Knuckles, I personally will be shocked.

Wasn't he about equal to Knux in 2k3? Either way, prepare to **** down both legs.

So how about Ness and CJ.
How many of you picked the latter but are going to vote for the former? <_<

Right here.

Could a rematch between the two disprove the age-old theory of WDF though?

If anything, it very well COULD "prove" it if FF:AC has much impact. Either way, the match was three years ago and Link's had quite afew games inbetween. With Seph potentially gainin' from there to add to this fire, I don't see it capable of proving anything.

(MC 90%-10% or so, the biggest blowout of the first round, i'd say)

CATS might be capable of getting 10% off of MC from ANTI-VOTES.

it's possible CATS takes an early lead, even if only for a few minutes.

Possible-nothing, you can take that to the bank.

Nobody thought [Ryu VS Jill, Frog VS LS, and MC Vs Frog] would be close

Ryu H./Jill was heavily debated at times, and I remember saying that MC/Frog would be a barn-burner.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

Shadow got RIPPED! He has been ripped off like ghostwriters, who write raps that get other people famous. Being Solid's toy for three straight years, and now has to face MAGUS?! in the first round?

You should be hanged for misnaming Knuckles as Shadow.
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Clinkeroth: CLINKEROTH! ~Pibb of Truth

I don't know..I DON"T KNOW!! I feel like San Andreas' having FAQs for 3 different consoles in the top 4 is the only thin ice Carl has to beat Ness.

That isn't exactly thin ice. That means there's a hell of a lot of people coming to the site right now who are playing gta:sa, and coming for the faq. When you have that many GTA fans coming here tyou better believe it's going to have an impact on a match involving the main character of the latest game.
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TheRye made the topic stating that Jill would beat Ryu H.

All Time Xsts: http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/alltimexsts.htm

Until RPGuy gives me further notice or tells me otherwise, I'd like to have those stats posted there. Maybe he'll make a spreadsheet similar to sc2k4 *hint hint wink wink*

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

If anything, it very well COULD "prove" it if FF:AC has much impact. Either way, the match was three years ago and Link's had quite afew games inbetween. With Seph potentially gainin' from there to add to this fire, I don't see it capable of proving anything.

Would it be possible that after the match-up, when we know the results, if you just took away all their boosts or losses in strength (or just didn't factor them in) to somehow find out what Link should have gotten on Seph?

Like, take for example Link beats Seph 60-40 this year.

Now let's say Link has gained 5% since 2002, while Seph has gained 2%. Would it be impossible to then calculate what Link should have gotten on Seph 3 years ago?
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SC2K5: Samus is going all the way!

^^
Thanks for the correction, for some reason that name kept coming up.

Ryu H./Jill was heavily debated at times, and I remember saying that MC/Frog would be a barn-burner.

It was TheRye's topic that really added fuel to the flames on the Ryu H/Jill match. MC/Frog also saw a rise in controversy after Frog flopped against Liquid and after MC killed Crash.
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I was a heavey Jill supporter.
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I don't recall anyone thinking Frog/Liquid would be wire-to-wire before the contest started.

I have a gut feeling that Ryu/Bowser could be an instant classic.
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101 Gordon Freeman 13.85
102 Tina Armstrong 13.72

So...Funny....
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Moltar, can't we do that already? What would that match do for us this year that we couldn't do the past two years?
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2. Knuckles (if Tails and Shadow missed a contest, then Knux has to be at risk)

Shadow got ripped. Tails...well, forget Tails. Shadow got RIPPED! He has been ripped off like ghostwriters, who write raps that get other people famous. And KNUCKLES, OMG! Being Solid's toy for three straight years, and now has to face MAGUS?! in the first round? Let's see, what do you think Knuckles will get get on Magus?

Either ****ing way, Knuckles is better than ALL these fools that we call fodder. He deserves a permanent spot in this contest forever...um, yeah.
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Well, I meant for a direct Link/Seph comparison. As in from Link/Seph 2002 to Link/Seph II in 2005.
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Which leads me back to Link being in several new games and Seph having FF:AC shortly before when the match would take place if Link and Seph win their matches. The match, whether it went exactly as it did in 2k3 down to the precise vote total not, wouldn't be a reliable way to see if there was WDF in 2k2. It wouldn't do anything we couldn't do in the past two contests (unless you believe Cloud/Seph had anomolies, which I wouldn't entirely discredit).
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MC getting 90% on anybody is pretty much impossible, he gets more anti-votes than cloud.
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Alucard > Sora

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It's a plenty-winnable match for Alucard...but I'm taking Sora and not looking back.
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Alucard > Sora

Duh. Well not really, but still Alucard has the advantage.
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Alucard beating Sora....

I dunno about that...

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Or maybe I'm completely wrong. Alucard will win though, since gannondorf proved his strength in the spring contest, so that means alucard definitely is still quite strong.
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What about the anticipation of KH2? And his GBA game? (Forgot the name)
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Since he's pretty much the poster boy for castlevania I'd expect castlevania DS hype to negate whatever KH:2 hype does for sora. Didn't classic series: castlevania get released in between the contests as well?
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Everyone says Ganondorf "proved" his strength, but yet there were indications that he did not, such as underperforming against Ansem and being closer to Bowser than the stats formerly had him.
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That can be chalked up as an increase on bowser's part. Because of mario vs. bowser we don't have any indication of what his strength may be since 2003 anyways, so an increase isn't hard to believe. How can you say he didn't live up to his strength because a character that had never appeared in any other contest didn't get beaten by him as much as you thought he would?
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We don't even know where Anem was supposed to be, so how did Ganon under-perform against him. 21.39% on Seph doesn't sounds about right to me.

On the subject of KH, I have Sora over Alucard, I don't see too much hype for Castlevania DS, but I sure to for KH2. It helped Sora out in the noms, so I wouldn't be too surprised if he got a slight boost.
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Er...I was distracted typing that.

*Ansem and *21.39% on Seph sounds about right to me.
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Leonhart, it was you who recently (I know others said it a LONG time ago, but I forget who) brought up that the Bowser/Ganon gap in 2k4 would be almost-identical to the Spring-2k5 gap if Alucard was kept as his 2k3 value. For all we know, Alucard was merely doing as expected and didn't really "prove" much except that he's reasonably strong.
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People are just overcompensating for what Sora did last year. I don't believe for a minute that 2004 Sora is equal to 2003 Squall.

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How can you say he didn't live up to his strength because a character that had never appeared in any other contest didn't get beaten by him as much as you thought he would?

Ansem/CATS...and, for what it's worth, CATS had often been referred to as the most consistant character in our contests before that match.
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Wasn't that also the first time he got non-cabbage picture?
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I'm just saying that Ganondorf did not necessarily "prove" his strength. Those were a couple of signs that he did not do so.
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That would also mean that sephiroth is going to lose relatively easily to the 2005 contest winner wouldn't it? I doubt that AC could counter that sort of drop, if cats is consistent.
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Samus over Seph...

I believe.
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Relatively easily? Not necessarily. It just means that Sephiroth might be in serious danger, but he wouldn't lose easily.

Of course, that's assuming you're putting any major stock into the results of that contest, and I have serious doubts considering how contradictory many of them were.
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Samus over Seph...

I believe.

So do I, but seph would of had to of undergone an insane drop if cats is consistent. So insane that he would get beaten by more then just samus. That's all I'm pointing out.
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Relatively easily? Not necessarily. It just means that Sephiroth might be in serious danger, but he wouldn't lose easily.

When I say relative ease, I mean by over 5,000 votes.
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People are just overcompensating for what Sora did last year. I don't believe for a minute that 2004 Sora is equal to 2003 Squall.

It was either Sora/Hayabusa or Sora/Samus (don't remember which, probably Hayabusa) that suggested that Sora = Aeris. Aeris is about equal with Squall...

...now, I know more should be considered than that, so I will; looking at the past opponents, I still think Sora could have done better against Tails or Kirby than Alucard did (though that's just opinion). Also, Sora had a game released since then...that can't hurt.
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1354
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1773

Even with Samus's increase added in, that still doesn't look equal to me. Squall is at least a couple percent over Sora.
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Well, since we're talkin' 'bout Squall and Alucard, let's use a common opponent: Kirby. I think it's reasonable to believe Sora could get 52.21 and 55.01% on Kirby.
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Squall's a couple percent over Alucard, too.
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Same here, but that match had "Squall-underperformance" written all over it.
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Sora could get 52.21

Thus 2k2 Jill > Sora.
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I would rank them all Squall > Sora > Alucard, but it'd be close. I'd say Squall would get like (using the numbers in my head, not any stats), 54% on Alucard, and 52% on Sora (no SFF).
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Jill was strong back in 2002, then dove big since then.
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Yes, I know Jill is weak now, but back in 2k2....
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Same here, but that match had "Squall-underperformance" written all over it.

I'd say an underperformance against Bomberman was more likely than Kirby.
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I see it as he underperformed against both, but more Bomberman than Kirby.
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Sora will win.

Sleep time. X_x
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If I've done my math correctly...

Assuming SC2k4 Ganon = SpC2k5 Ganon, and his overperformance was entirely due to Sephiroth dropping, wouldn't that project a Samus victory in the TOC?

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I'm supporting Master Chief for the win...

...over Crono.
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Tournament Ivy

Primary Moves:

AA
2A
2B
3B
k2
214B
33_99A
2K
66A
66B
FC 1B
4A+B Series

Secondary Moves

CS/SS (Check CS/SS thread for more info, setups, etc.)
1[K]
3K
9A+B
22_88B or 22_88[B ] (Debate worthy)
6B2_8
1A_AA

1A+B
4B
7B
6B8

Tertiary(Other Optional) Moves

All stances and moves within them.
22_88K/2A+K (Debate worthy) FPRIVATE "TYPE=PICT;ALT="
Etc...

For right now, I'll only go into detail about the primary moves. Later on I'll write up summaries about the Secondary and Tertiary moves...

AA - Staple step killer. Slower than some others and only NC's on CH, but good none the less. Doing just A after many AA's leaves options open.

2A - Duh. Step killer, fast, breaks on occasion, leads into awesome combos, WS and FC options, etc. This should be a known fact and a very abused move by any good Ivy player.

2B - Same as 2A, but to a lesser extent. Hits M instead of sM, a little more linear, but damn good as well.

3B - Traditional lifter. 6B8_8B+K is guaranteed on CH, and I believe k2 is guaranteed on regular clean hit (Not sure, someone might need to check for me.) Also has a slight built in side step, and tracks better than 2A+B, even though it is for slightly less damage.

k2 - OMG, sweet up-close move. Deceptively fast, helps to change momentum of poking matches. On CH, 1A+B is guaranteed afterwards, as is another k2. Staple poking move. Muy bueno.

214B - Great tracking move and pushes back on both block and clean hit. Optional shift into SE, although usually not a great idea. Good at stopping rushdown characters before they can get started.

33_99A - Spins to either left or right, avoids verticals and sometimes horizontals if timed just right. If successful hit occurs, then 22B, 6B8 is guaranteed for massive damage. 33A also combos into SS/CS on Astaroth only. Very abusable move in right conditions.

2K - Another great poking move, except this one actually hits low! Yeah, we're all surprised. Great if your opponent starts to GI the M's and H's being thrown at him. Good speed, WS and FC options, etc. Another great move.

66A - Advancing step killer. Has its bugs, but is generally very good. Hits H. Crumple stun on regular hit. 2B is one of its only follow-ups, even though I'm still not convinced it's guaranteed.

66B - Linear as all hell, but good for people who start to duck the H 66A. Has optional ->ST, but it isn't usually recommended. On CH, 8B+K is guaranteed. Good M move.

[B]FC 1B - Oh sweet lord yes. I don't know how I forgot about this little beauty. Launches behind. Hit G to turn around, and 8B+K is guaranteed. As Hajime stated, it's the best move for people who think that AA is the end to all end strategy. I find it especially useful against X and Mitsu players who abuse AA.

4A+B Series - To be lazy and quote OrionX: "Mid JF NC for 1/3 life. good duck punishment. good mostly safe mix ups on block between cancel, JF GC, and charged UB. Huge Auto GI window, ROs about a characters length away from the edge, covers step fairly well."

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