How do you tell if we exist? Maybe we don't exist...

*Creativename's websites*

Everything you could ever imagine:
http://www.sc2k5.com
http://www.sc2k4.com

Summer 2002 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/1

Summer 2003 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/2

Spring 2004 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/3

Summer 2004 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/4

Summer 2005 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/5

Sortable Table for Every Contest Match:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/19



*Extrapolated Standings*

Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/11

Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

Summer 2002 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/13

Summer 2003 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/14

Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/15

SFF Adjusted Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/16

Summer 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/17

SFF Adjusted Summer 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/18

Spring 2005 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/27



*Solarshadow's Sites*

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html

Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html



*Old Stats topics*

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)

2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.

Spring 2004 Pre-Season (Chance the number after "Season" to view other pages; there are three of them):
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm

Spring 2004 Contest (Change the number after "Stats" to view other pages; there are eight of them):
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm



*Match Pictures*

Summer 2002 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15

Summer 2003 Match Pictures:
www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario0/contestpictures.htm

Spring 2004 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17

Summer 2004 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18



*Miscellaneous*

Creativename's Page of Links:
http://sc2k4.com/links.php

MMXcalibur's Contest Sites:
http://prophetchallenge.hyperboards2.com/index.cgi
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/

Poll Vote Total Updater:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/25

All Time Top 25/Top 10 Lists:
http://www.rpgdl.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3251



!yawa tsoP

Samus > Mario
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Today's subliminal thought is:

Opening with a Vivi quote, yay!
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I have been Roland, Beowulf, Achilles, Gilgamesh. I have been been called a hundred names and will be called a thousand more before the world goes dim and cold.

Sonic > Megaman

Mario > Crono
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Commander of The Link Army
Blades will bleed... Shields will shatter... and Link shall WIN... AGAIN!

But the other one has only 306 replies? >_>
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VOTE*~*~Lloyd Irving, Diablo, Vincent Valentine and Alucard in the Sc2k5!~*~*

Sonic > Mega Man? Hahaha. I like FourthDeus a lot, but he's dead wrong about that match. Both he and Smurf will be interesting to watch as that match is going on.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Vivi doesn't exist. The quote doesn't exist. The game doesn't exist.

I finally understand.
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Think fast. Click faster.

Woohoo, we're finally back to more than one topic per day!
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For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to refer to Gordon Freeman versus Tanner as Schrodinger's Match. -Phoenix Flattener

Lemme post a match decision that will bring about some controversy:

Big Boss > Auron

I'm going to take the risk and say CJay uses a Solid Snakeesque pic to Big Boss and that significantly changes the direction of the match outcome.
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HOT AND SEXY Spring and Summer Contest action!!!:
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/

WTF BRAMBLES SO SOON!?!?!?! >_>

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It's a Pinball Masquerade
Cheer up Emo kids. ~This sig was pimped by Icon's sig~

Although if the quote did exist, it would open "How do you prove that you exist?"
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Think fast. Click faster.

Megaman is getting weaker every year. I see no reason why Sonic couldin't take it.

The game doesn't exist.

Oh great, another one of you guys. Outside of certains aspects of the battle system, FF9 is a good game.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Hrm. Mabye I"ll actually post here, for once.



MEGAMAN OVER MARIO IN THE FINALS, BAY-BEE.
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Thus the expression, "I'd sure like to **** her brains out." - Mega64

From: MegatokyoEd | Posted: 6/29/2005 1:46:51 AM | Message Detail
Megaman is getting weaker every year. I see no reason why Sonic couldin't take it.

Link/Mega Man 2004 versus Cloud/Sonic 2003. Two near identical results, yet one was an SFF match. You figure it out from there.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Big Boss > Auron

I wouldn't take Solid Snake to beat Auron, much less Big Boss.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

IX is actually my favorite in the main Final Fantasy series. ;(
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HM, I knwo you dislike MGS... But Auron over Solid Snake? Dear God....
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"Once you become as powerful as me, your have to take care of small time pests." - Saddler
"SADDLER, YOU'RE SMALL TIME!" - Leon, RE4

Solid Snake is not that strong. An Auron/Solid Snake match would be very close and could go either way.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

No, Snake would have that in the bag.
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yoblazer's awesome Contest Guru-ing skills left my bracket in shambles.

No, he really wouldn't.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

I like it when people think Mega Man is on the way down while forgetting Sonic isn't exactly on the way up.

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The greatest torture in the world for most people is to think

There is no proof whatsoever Link SFF'D Megaman. I think Sonic could easily make up the 2 or so percents to beat Megaman. It's one of the few upsets that actually could happen. I see people taking Zero over Mario and thinking Wesker vs Lloyd is hard....

As long as we're posting controversial match choices here, I might as well come out and say it

Bowser > Solid Snake
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I can move mountains

Bowser/Tidus/Ryu could all upset Snake.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

I'd really love to see a Mario vs. Mega Man finals
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http://users.ign.com/collection/Dark115.
Currently Playing: GTA: San Andreas, Halo 2, Castlevania: Symphony of the Night

And Rikku *could* upset Ryu...
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I can move mountains

No she couldnt. Stop spreading lies.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Rate my bracket:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Mine12345/Bracket.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Mine12345/2.jpg

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The greatest torture in the world for most people is to think

Rikku won't even be close to Ryu.

Ryu > Bowser > Tidus
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"And you shall shed tears of scarlet" –Vicious (Cowboy Bebop)

Vyse over Tifa??? HAHAHAHAHAHA
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Someone explain to me how Link/Mega Man was SFF? I'm not saying it wasn't I just don't see the SFF.
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Both were part of the NES I guess.

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The greatest torture in the world for most people is to think

Kerrigan > Dante

My upset pick for the contest.
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"If you were a man, it would be go time now."
"No, if you were a man, you wouldn't be afraid of a little kitty cat!" - Bucky Katt

Link/Mega Man 2004 versus Cloud/Sonic 2003. Two near identical results, yet one was an SFF match. You figure it out from there.

Actually, Sonic did noticeably better. If there's no SFF, Mega Man's below him. To say Sonic can't win is ridiculous.

Squall > Magus, by the way.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

Vincent > Magus.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

I've got Bowser over Ryu, and Tidus over him and Snake......am I crazy?
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You know, dammit, I'm really wanting to take that Squall over Magus pick too...

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

Squall > Vincent > Magus > Terra > Dante
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

Vincent > Squall.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

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Maybe next year Everybody Loves Katamari and Katamary Damacy DS will be enough to get the King more support and he could win a round...
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Nope. God himself couldn't beat Sephiroth. FFVII Fanboys outnumber Christians. ~ jkmill550

Goodness, do I love this bracket.

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
YoBlazer(33) & Robotnik pwned my (Ro)butt in Sp2k5

Vincent>Magus here, both are comparable characters, but Vincent is from a more popular game.
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As much as I want to put something original about the Guru Contest here, I can't, because Yoblazer owned me way too hard.

At this point in time, I have Crono > Mario in the final. Ecks Frickin Dee
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GT: Vampiresoul

I also think Bowser can take Snake, especially after Bowser's run in the Spring Contest.
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As soon as I entered this topic, I farted. If this is a sign of things to come, I'm out. - HaRRicH
http://kirbytootsiepop.ytmnd.com/

This bracket is so hard... ;_;
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"From now on, anyone that makes fun of me, I'll kill them, just like that!"
"Eddie, have you gone nuts?"

I find it rather interesting that Ceej stuck all the anti-heroes into the Devil Division.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

cjayc put the potential match i have been dreaming about. vincent vs dante i think this will close as i always thought that vincents level should be around dante's
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

Bump this up. :-)
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*Reserved for summer contest stats*

Bowser>Snake still seems really risky. Bowser could have gotten a ton of anti-votes.
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Weird Kirby Dude ~Board Hunter~
Every fanboy war degenerates to a flame war over whether each debater likes the Halo series or not. - Android21A

Bowser VS Snake is indeed risky. If this was a sweet sixteen match then Bowser would have had a fair chance, but I can't see him winning in a Elite Eight match. But anything can happen.
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Zelos: Don't hate me just because I'm beautiful.

Megaman>Sonic, easily. There is plenty of proof that he was SSFD.

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Girls throw themselves at him like prostitutes left and right, yet the only girl Cloud wants or cares about throughout the entire game is Sephiroth.- Ulti

And Kirby vs. Tidus. I want to go with Kirby so badly (He's in my bracket now) but I don't think he can pull it off. If he can, then that would be awesome.
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Weird Kirby Dude ~Board Hunter~
Every fanboy war degenerates to a flame war over whether each debater likes the Halo series or not. - Android21A

As much as I don't want to use 2k4's adjusted x-st, Ganondorf is projected to get 53%.

What value for Auron and Ganon did you use to get that?

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

Megaman>Sonic, easily. There is plenty of proof that he was SSFD.

Yeah, I think he may be SFFed by Sonic too.
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

What value for Auron and Ganon did you use to get that?

Adjusted of course.

10. Ganondorf - 32.39%
11. Zero - 31.66%
12. Solid Snake - 30.81%
13. Auron - 30.57%
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17 handhelds Nintendo has taken down 1 more to go (see quote for rest)

The reason I think that Aeris (and maybe even Tifa) are stronger than Vincent is because Vincent sucks in battle. A good deal of ROG fans actually care about that sort of thing.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

heh, i'll post it here again, anyone else having problem with Alucard/Sora??
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Support Vincent Valentine on the Character Contest!

About that convo that HM and I had. Is it at all possible that most people won't care about the Tournament of Champions? Could it affect the voting patterns in the matches? Cloud could beat Link if this were the case.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Megaman>Sonic, easily. There is plenty of proof that he was SSFD.

Yeah, I think he may be SFFed by Sonic too.

I don't think so because Mega Man was mostly on the NES and SNES, Mega Man had like 3 games during the SM and GEN system.
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17 handhelds Nintendo has taken down 1 more to go (see quote for rest)

Where is this frikking proof Megaman got SFF'd by Link? It makes no sense at all for Zelda and MM's fanbase to overlap that much if at all. If Megaman got SFF'd by Link then I guess I he'd get SFF'd by Mario to. Hell maybe Sonic will SFF him!

The reason I think that Aeris (and maybe even Tifa) are stronger than Vincent is because Vincent sucks in battle. A good deal of ROG fans actually care about that sort of thing.

Vincent is an optional character and like you said he sucks as battle. I can see him being weaker then Tifa because she's a side character who's with you during the game and the pervs are out there.
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17 handhelds Nintendo has taken down 1 more to go (see quote for rest)

what is the expected strength of big boss. i mean he is quite similar to him and seems to be liked a lot by mgs fans.
note:is it me or do chrono trigger characters look like dbz guys. i know akira toryama drew both but i swear magus looks like the fusion form of the supreme kai and kibito and crono looks like a saiyen. so can CT get the support from dbz fans?
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

I'm having trouble with Alucard and Sora myself, I can't get trust Alucard's strength in SC2k4 all that much, but Ganondorf's showing in that villain contest worries me as Alucard broke 40% on him.
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Shut up, make me a sandwich. That is all.

From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 6/29/2005 10:15:28 AM | Message Detail
About that convo that HM and I had. Is it at all possible that most people won't care about the Tournament of Champions? Could it affect the voting patterns in the matches? Cloud could beat Link if this were the case.

good point there. Clink could be a toss up.

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*RPG

From: MegatokyoEd | Posted: 6/29/2005 12:16:16 PM | Message Detail
Where is this frikking proof Megaman got SFF'd by Link? It makes no sense at all for Zelda and MM's fanbase to overlap that much if at all. If Megaman got SFF'd by Link then I guess I he'd get SFF'd by Mario to. Hell maybe Sonic will SFF him!

True, but to be blunt I'm actually a little worried that Vincent could beat Magus. They're both optional characters, they're both anti-heroes, they're both the "badasses" of their games, yet Vincent is from a far more popular game. The only reason I picked Magus (outside of pure fanboyism) is because of Ganondorf. I can't see Vincent touching him.

And to be really honest, Squall has a chance. Not a good one, but a chance nonetheless. Magus's opponents are real stat anomalies, though I do feel that the 2003 match against Link and Ganon's performance this past Spring verified his strength.

You know what I just realized? If Magus wins his division, he'll get SFFd to hell and back by Crono again. This means that yet again we'd have to use Magus 2003 value to make a ton of SFF adjustments in the final Xsts. I really wish that Magus would lose to like Samus or Mario so that we could get something definitive on him.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

don't worry Dranze, I have no clue, either.
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Damnit, enough theories have been made to make me second-guess matches. :-( Stop hurting my brain!!111!

Ok, Megaman did stronger against Solid in SC2K4 than in SC2K3:

SC2K4 - 57.19% against Solid
SC2K3 - 53.50% against Solid

So, by 3.69%.

Is that good enough to put Sonic down? (This is to prove Megaman got stronger over the years..)

Also, I'll put up what Ulti said earlier specifically so all of you can see:

SC2K4: Link got 67.61% on Megaman
SC2K3: Cloud got 66.21% on Sonic

See, I'm not sure about where you guys made up how Link SFF'd Megaman, but I suppose this makes Megaman stronger barely.

So, considering this, Megaman probably has this based on this.
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From: MegatokyoEd | Posted: 6/29/2005 12:16:16 PM | Message Detail
Where is this frikking proof Megaman got SFF'd by Link?

Go and look at the unadjusted 2004 Xsts, specifically Solid Snake.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Its true Vincent's strength is very unreliable, I mean really he wasn't that well developed in FF7, at least not compared to all the other characters minus Yuffie. Maybe he would get alot stronger if Advent Children and/or Dirge of Cerberus were out before his matches. Unfortunately they're not.
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Again, I say this as a Sonic fan. But isn't the debate supposed to be whether or not Sonic is stronger than Solid Snake? And this is the same Snake that Mega Man has beaten twice. Sonic has shown nothing to suggest that he could actually BEAT Mega Man... This match is Mega Man's to lose.

I gave my explanation in the last topic, but I will give a recap. Even though I'm a huge Sonic fan, I think that Mega Man has a lot more going for him in popularity. For every popular Sonic game, there are MORE popular Mega Man games. Sonic may have had a higher peak in popularity, but Mega Man has consistently been there. Sonic MAY still have been as popular as he was back then if Sega wouldn't have let him fall off the map during the Saturn/PS1/N64 era. Especially since that was a time where video games exploded in popularity. Link, Cloud, Seph, Snake...

But anyways, bottom line is that outside of his match with Link, Mega Man has generally been more impressive than Sonic has in the contests. I don't think Sonic has anything on Mega Man that would make him close the gap except MAYBE a few more dedicated fans. But Sonic is no Link... I think what we have seen between the two characters is safe enough to feel good about picking MM. Of course I would be EXTREMELY happy if I were wrong, but that's a different story entirely.

I love this contest. All of my favorite characters are in win/win situations. They all eventually come to a match that they are expected to LOSE. (Knux vs Magus, Sonic vs MM, Zero vs Mario, Bowser vs Snake) So if they win or make a good showing, all the better!

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I'd put Sonic over Snake, but Mega over them both.

Simply, Sonic falls in between Snake and Mega.
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It's MOOOOOOLLLLLTTTAAAARRRR!!!!

For Magus/Crono, you could use 2K3 Magus, 2K4 Dante, 2K4 Knuckles, or 2K4 Squall. 2K4 Knuckles would make the most sense.
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I don't know if I can see Sonic getting 57% on Solid, either.

Megaman, Regis, is my final answer.
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Oh, BTW, I just made my 0 bracket on this account, and I'm fairly confident with it. Most of the tough matches are happening in the later rounds, which is a change.
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I don't think so because Mega Man was mostly on the NES and SNES, Mega Man had like 3 games during the SM and GEN system.

Yeah I know, but at this point, most people who like the era, like Sonic AND Mario and all the other big names. For a lot of people, I think Sonic just gets lumped together with Mario and Link and Mega Man. In all honesty. I think Mega Man operates off of a very old school vote, not really having any popularity nowadays. I mean, he performs admirably against newer characters, but I have trouble believing that Link is the only popular 16 bit character who could SFF him.
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therealmnm: Genius of a post you've got there. I'm serious. I never even thought about Sonic/Snake, though I think Sonic would take that one in a close match.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Solid may not be great proof of SFF. He dropped 4% on Mega Man, and Link seemed to pick up 3-4% on the field. That would still make his unadjusted figure seem a little low, but not unreasonably so.
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therealmnm: Genius of a post you've got there. I'm serious. I never even thought about Sonic/Snake, though I think Sonic would take that one in a close match.

Would you give Sonic 57% against Snake? (Megaman got 57.19% on Snake, so that's about right to hope Sonic would get for those putting Sonic over Megaman.)
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To reiterate, I think Mega Man will get the same sort of SFF he got against Link, but to a lesser degree. And for what it's worth, Sonic Mega Collection Plus came out on PS2 and XBox since last contest, and Sonic Rush might come out for DS before this one is over.
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

Hoepfully when Mario faces both Zero and Mega Man, they'll have a common opponent in the same tourney and we can see what, if any, SFF there was in 2004.
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Jon Thomson - MARIO, Samus, SOLID SNAKE, Bowser, CRONO, Squall, Sonic, MEGA MAN

Well, even if Mega Man DOES face Mario, he'd probably get SFFed by Mario too. THAT you will have trouble denying, seeing as Link and Mario are from the same fanbase, so they should experience the same SFF draws.
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MasterMage119

so when does the guru contest start?
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

Hoepfully when Mario faces both Zero and Mega Man, they'll have a common opponent in the same tourney and we can see what, if any, SFF there was in 2004

What the ****?

Samus will beat Mario....

Crono will beat Megaman if Crono beat Mario.
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10. Ganondorf - 32.39%
11. Zero - 31.66%
12. Solid Snake - 30.81%
13. Auron - 30.57%

I've seen Auron rank as high as Sonic and as low as that right there (might have been lower, I cannot recall correctly). But that's still at a point where taking Auron makes plenty of sense. It is, after all, an upset pick for a reason.

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Laguna Loire

so when does the guru contest start?

Not until after bracket lockdown.
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Jon Thomson - MARIO, Samus, SOLID SNAKE, Bowser, CRONO, Squall, Sonic, MEGA MAN

I don't think Sonic would come close to MM level against Snake, no.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

The reason I think that Aeris (and maybe even Tifa) are stronger than Vincent is because Vincent sucks in battle. A good deal of ROG fans actually care about that sort of thing.

Eh, I wouldn't say there are that many people who are going to care about how well people are in battle. After all, we all know how well Frog does in battle and how strong he actually turns out to be. Heh.

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Ness or CJ?
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hey ulti will you be doing the post contests analysis this summer. i heard you were gonna miss some matches so just wondering
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

Vivi vs. Zelda?
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Spring Contest 2005 - 68/80 points
"Not even death can save you from me" - Diablo

Its true Vincent's strength is very unreliable, I mean really he wasn't that well developed in FF7, at least not compared to all the other characters minus Yuffie.

Development, personality, etc. have all never been a key in a characters strenght.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

Something just occurred to me. This will be the first contest ever (not counting SpC2K4, of course) that doesn't involve any sort of Team Sonic vs. FFX.
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Light is but a farewell gift from the darkness to those on their way to die. ~The Boss
ZSB [aX]

Hallelujah!

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

When I first played F7, I used Vincent when I knew he sucked in battle. Just because he was a "badass" A gothic one no less! And, being 12 years at the time, GOTHIC BADASSES ruled.

Even when you grow out of that phase, you still keep some of them as your favorite characters. I have a remaining soft spot for Vegeta of DBZ fame... >_<
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One of these things is not like the others...a stapler, Mothra, and the Olympics. SO... which one is it?

Fine, I'll start the arguement.

I think Ness will bash CJ's head open with that, so to speak. :p

I do not see in ANY WAY CJ being as strong as Vercetti, can we agree on that? On the other hand, we've seen what Tenpenny did in the Villians Contest, which was horrible. But..forget that. X_x'

We all better understand that Ness has been SFF'd to hell all the time, and will only suffer this more if he beats CJ. He always has the Earthbound mass behind him, always getting him into these contests. Also, he benefits from SSBM as well. Through a common match between Auron, Ness is close to Scorpion in strength. Who's in, who's not?

I don't know, and I just don't see CJ beating Scorpion..
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I do not see in ANY WAY CJ being as strong as Vercetti, can we agree on that?

www.gamefaqs.com

scroll down a bit

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Nominate Cecil from Final Fantasy IV for the summer contest

I do not see in ANY WAY CJ being as strong as Vercetti, can we agree on that?

No, because Vercetti is weaker now than he used to be, leaving CJ a good chance to rank ahead of him.

and I just don't see CJ beating Scorpion..

And Scorpion is not all that popular. 2k3 Vercetti would beat 2k3 Scorpion with 51.64%, and 2k3 Scorpion was said to be stronger than 2k2 Scorpion. 2k4 Vercetti beats 2k4 Scorpion with 60.18%! That shocked me, which makes me think Scorpion is on the decline as well. This leaves a ton of room for CJ to beat Scorpion, which means a ton of room for CJ to beat Ness.
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Trainer: Clinkeroth, do mega fanboy attack!
Clinkeroth: CLINKEROTH! ~Pibb of Truth

Remember though Ness only beat Jak, who really isn't strong at all. CJ is from a game thats been on the top 10 FAQs list for quite some time and I think the mainstream CJ will be able to poll it off against the cult-drivin Ness.
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Currently Playing: GTA: San Andreas, Halo 2, Castlevania: Symphony of the Night

Dark115 has the right idea. And GTA was just released for Xbox

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Nominate Cecil from Final Fantasy IV for the summer contest

Yeah, but Ness being from SSBM (Not considerably high in the tier list..) really, really scares me, you saw what Master Hand did.
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Shut up, make me a sandwich. That is all.

you saw what Master Hand did.

Lose easily to someone who ended up equivalent to CATS? Yeah, I saw it. How's that scary?
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Trainer: Clinkeroth, do mega fanboy attack!
Clinkeroth: CLINKEROTH! ~Pibb of Truth

you saw what Master Hand did.

Yes, become one of the weakest characters to enter a contest.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

The first update of the BOP is now up at http://www.freewebs.com/slowflake/sc2k5.xls .

I'll paste my comments there:

Amazing. Despite all the hard matches, only two are close, namely Kefka/Vercetti and Dante/Vincent. That's right, Vincent is even steven with DANTE. After all the hype he's gotten, I'm shocked. I mean, I don't think he's all that and a bag of chips, but surely he got what it takes to squeak by Dante... right? And, the prospect of a Kerrigan upset is surprisingly popular as well. Are we shooting ourselves in the foot by picking Vincent?
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

No, the board is shooting themselves in the foot by thinking Kerrigan can beat a popular FF7 character.
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Trainer: Clinkeroth, do mega fanboy attack!
Clinkeroth: CLINKEROTH! ~Pibb of Truth

Kefka/Vercetti is unbelievably easy. it's so obvious if you just give it a little thought

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Nominate Cecil from Final Fantasy IV for the summer contest

What little thought are you referring to?
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Trainer: Clinkeroth, do mega fanboy attack!
Clinkeroth: CLINKEROTH! ~Pibb of Truth

Kerrigan will be the Ridley of this contest. Vincent's Diablo.

I actually do think that CJ/Ness will be close, but I think CJ takes it. I don't think CJ will be as strong as Vercetti simply because of how horribly racist GameFAQs is, but there's plenty of wiggle room for CJ to squeeze into. And I don't mean that to be offensive in the least, but facts are facts.

With the sole exception of Ganondorf (if you even want to count him), how many black characters have even made the contest, let alone done anything of note? Even Barret would probably be weak in a poll, which I just find sad.

Designers, specifically Japanese ones, need to get over their stereotypes and tokenism. There aren't enough black main characters in gaming, nor are there enough black characters outright.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

I meant picking Vincent over Dante.

Squall over Magus is fairly popular as well.

From: plasmabeam | Posted: 6/29/2005 1:11:55 PM | #108
Kefka/Vercetti is unbelievably easy. it's so obvious if you just give it a little thought

Depends on whether Vice City was a fad destined to roll over and die with the next GTA's release. Vercetti doesn't have this match won, but he's the slight favorite, as he should be.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

Wait, Vincent is a Goth! Now I'm much more confident in him going down early.
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"If you were a man, it would be go time now."
"No, if you were a man, you wouldn't be afraid of a little kitty cat!" - Bucky Katt

Ganondorf is about as black as Kerrigan. Take that as you will.

And, I think Ness will come close to CJ, but no cigar.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

Oh, and where does that "GameFAQs is racist" stuff comes from? AIM convos with Red?
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

And I hate how I agree with the BOP in almost every match once again :\
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Trainer: Clinkeroth, do mega fanboy attack!
Clinkeroth: CLINKEROTH! ~Pibb of Truth

Squall over Magus is fairly popular as well.

As it should be considering that's what is going to happen.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

The first update of the BOP is now up at http://www.freewebs.com/slowflake/sc2k5.xls

I noticed. My bracket distorts the stats a bit.
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Jon Thomson - MARIO, Samus, SOLID SNAKE, Bowser, CRONO, Squall, Sonic, MEGA MAN

Sigint for SC2K6!
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Light is but a farewell gift from the darkness to those on their way to die. ~The Boss
ZSB [aX]

IMO, this contest really revolves around the strength of Solid Snake. Not to say that he'll win, which he won't, but rather who he'll lose to. His division and the Dream division are easily the toughest to call, with the toughest call for me at least on Ryu/Bowser.

I honestly think Ryu/Bowser will be the match that makes or breaks this bracket for me. I worry about other matches, sure, like Vivi/Zelda, Snake/winner of previous, and Snake's round 4 match; but its Ryu/Bowser giving me the most headaches.

In addition to that, Snake has been dropping in strength each year. I hope for his sake that he'll gain some vicariously through MGS3, but I hope for the contest's sake that he drops a bit more and CoM/KH2 hype give Sora a bit of a boost to make that a good match.

Going back a bit further, I've been toying with an upset pick of Zelda over Snake as well. Again, I am not sure if I can trust MGS3 to not affect Snake to a great extent. As well, I don't see Zelda beating Sora as much as I can see Snake beating Sora. I haven't checked the stats on Zelda/Sora though so I may be way off on that train of thought.

So after bandying about a bit, I'll conclude with that I believe the most points will be gained or lost based on Snake and his matches. Maybe it's just me, but Kirby/Tidus seems easier to call than Snake/Zelda.

Finally, I'll leave you with this thought: What if Dante and Snake's positions in the bracket had been swapped? I think the bracket would have been twice as hard trying to figure Vincent/Snake or Zelda/Dante. Just a thought.

Seeing how you have two upsets in the "fake" semis, of course it's gonna.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

Bingo. Whoever wants to do well will need to have one heck of a second quarter.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

I actually do think that CJ/Ness will be close, but I think CJ takes it. I don't think CJ will be as strong as Vercetti simply because of how horribly racist GameFAQs is, but there's plenty of wiggle room for CJ to squeeze into.

There's plenty of room for Ness to come up to thanks to being SFF'd often...*sigh*..hey, it's all good and all with what San Andreas did, but will that be enough to give a character that's not the main one a victory? I mean..I don't know what to trust, because it seems to have all flopped before.
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Warning, BS, opinions and bad grammar ahead

I'm doing some research about Alucard VS Sora. I just love how many there are out there who thinks Kratos may have a chance against Alucard BTW.

here's how Alucard did against Tails in 2k2.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=944

Alucard got only 54% against Tails, but that's ok since I guess that not many saw Alucard as the winner in that match (A relative unknown character from a underrated game VS a sidekick in one of the most popular series, but I wasn't around in 2k2 so I don't know. Maybe Alucard was a favourite in that match.)

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1314

Auron gets 64%, which is almost 10% better than Alucard. But let's focus on what Alucard did in 2k3

Sora gets SFF'D so lets not discuss much more about his performance in 2k3.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1325

He gets 64% on Bomberman, which is ok if we look and then he faced Kirby

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1347

And got 52% then he ended his preformance and got to

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1358

Sephiroth where he gets 27% and considering that this was in Sephiroth's finest hour in strength I think he did OK, we all know that Seph hates the Xstats and likes to screw it up (See Liquid Snake for another example)

Sora got back in the 2k4 and curse him. Anyone who had won a match like Ryu H VS Jill V deserves to go to the next round. Sora disagreed and trashed Ryu Hayabusa (OMFG Hayabusa had a horrible pic)

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1773

As a Sonic fan, Sora failed to impress me. I thought he would at least get 40% on Sora, but nope he didn't. He still got to the sweet sixteen, and if he didn't have to show his face in the Ryu Hayabusa VS Jill match then maybe it wouldn't be close at all. At least he avoided to get doubled.


http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1719

Then in 2004 nobody thought that Alucard would win, but at
least he did better than what no one in the spring contest except Sephiroth did. Sure he gained on Ganondorf SFF in the X-Stats, but than when Sephiroth and Ganondorf faced each other this was the result:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2019

Anti votes and all you guys want to say, Ganodorf got higher % than Mario and Megaman did in 2k3. This is not saying that Ganondorf would beat Megaman and Mario, but it isn't a impossible upset. IMO it looks like Ganondorf is a little underestimated in the 2k4 Xstats which also would make Alucard a little underestimated (This is also my biggest reason why I picked Magus winning his division).

So now lets take a small look at the Xstats

19 Alucard 27.74% Hyrule 9 7 29.75% 28.79%
20 Auron 27.38% Midgar 3 4 29.37% 28.42%
21 Sora 26.97%

Yeah it's impossible for Sora to win over Alucard now (God I hope that was true). Sora has had a few new games, and any new game is always good if you want to boost in character battles. If Alucard didn't overpreform against Ganondorf, my guess is that he also is a little higher than what the Xstats says.

Now you may ask, why have I spend almost 30 minutes to write all this, it's because I recently played Casltevanis Sotn again, and I will always dislike Sora. Infact I quited playing Kingdom Hearts just because of him. This match will be a close one, and I'm going with Alucard. Not because he's higher one the Xstats, but since I think it's Alucard's plan. Many says Alucard VS Kratos is a hard match to call. So my advice is pick Alucard, the Xstats almost never lies!!!


*spellchecks*

I hope you will get most of it, I don't have time enough to correct all my mistakes :D
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Zelos: Don't hate me just because I'm beautiful.

If Dante and Snake had been swapped, Dante would've been a sure-fire round 2 out. Granted, it'd have created a fatal fourway in Alucard/Sora/Vivi/Zelda (which could cost people lots of points), but I don't think Dante would stand a chance of coming out of that one alive.

Putting Snake in Dante's place kills any chance Terra had at an upset. Magus, Vincent, and Squall (believe it or not, the guy who only got 35% on him three years ago) would be huge upset picks over Snake. He'd have a much more difficult time escaping this one, for sure.

I'm seriously starting to contemplate Ryu/Bowser/Tidus over Snake since he ALWAYS chokes in the Elite Eight. This year may be no different.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Pre-Season Analysis Day 2

New Characters

(8) Joanna Dark
(5) Carl Johnson
(2) Lloyd Irving
(8) Yuri
(4) Riku
(7) Big Boss
(8) Manny Calavera
(3) Kratos (God of War)
(7) Agent 47
(8) Cecil
(5) King of all Cosmos
(6) Chun Li
(7) Rikku
(7) Zidane
(8) Terra
(4) Sarah Kerrigan
(5) Vincent Valentine
(7) Geno
(8) Jin Kazama
(4) Kratos Aurion
(3) Tifa Lockheart
(5) Leon Kennedy

Old, but Never Were in 2004

(6) Yuna
(5) Zelda

Characters from the Villains Contest

(7) Albert Wesker
(5) Diablo
(2) Revolver Ocelot

22 new characters this contest, better then last year which only had 15. The board’s favorites made an appearance this summer such as Manny, King of all Cosmos, Kerrigan, Vincent and Tifa. Tales of Symphonia fans were happy to hear that Lloyd and Kratos Aurion made it to the contest. Surprisingly no new Nintendo characters made it to the contest, you may consider Geno on being Nintendo, but he’s really from square. Square on the other hand has gained seven new characters (Cecil, Rikku, Zidane, Terra, Vincent, Geno and Tifa).

Both Yuna and Zelda returned to the contest after a year of absence and again Aeris is still no where to be seen, but that would mean there would’ve been five FFVII characters in the contest. Yuna gets the wrong end of the stick and is up against Ganondorf. On the other hand Zelda looks like she’s going to have an exciting match against Vivi from FFIX.

The Villians Contest brought in some new faces in as well. Wesker, Diablo and Ocelot all made it in. Personally I don’t think Wesker should’ve made it in again and if Chun Li didn’t make it, M. Bison would’ve been a better sub. Both Diablo and Ocelot have a good chance of making it to round 2.

This part is only for the new characters

Top 3 Most Overseeded Characters

1. Kratos (GoW)
2. Lloyd
3. Kerrigan

Honorable Mention: Kratos (ToS)

With one game out Kratos makes it in with a high seed, personally he’s going down. I’m still wondering hoe Lloyd got a 2 seed in this contest. If it wasn’t for Wesker being his round 1 opponent he would’ve probably lose his first match. Kerrigan may have the board on her side, but will the voter? She might be from Starcraft, but most people usually play for the RTS not the campaign.

Top 3 Most Underseeded Characters

1. Zidane
2. Terra
3. Chun Li

Honorable Mention: Geno and Cecil

We Vivi’s performance last year I don’t see why Zidane should get such a low seed plus he’s going to get SFF against Crono. Again with Terra she could be strong because of Kefka’s place and some even have her over Dante in round 1. Now Chun Li is a mystery she could be between M. Bision and Ken or even stronger then both of them.

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17 handhelds Nintendo has taken down 1 more to go (see quote for rest)

Top 3 Strongest Characters

1. Tifa
2. Zidane
3. Carl Johnson

Honorable Mention: Vincent

Personally I think Tifa is the strongest character out of the new characters. She’ll probably be the only one who I think can break the top 20. I may be giving too much slack for Zidane, but I think he could be as strong as Vivi, too bad he’s against Crono. CJ is from the popular GTA series and he should be as strong as Tommy Vercetti. Also if you’re wondering why I don’t think Vincent isn’t the strongest character or even the top 3 is because this board is over hyping him and he’s only an optional character in the game.

Top 3 Weakest Characters

1. Agent 47
2. Jin
3. King of all Cosmos

Honorable Mention: Yuri

From the Hitman series its Agent 47 a.k.a. Neo TANNER nuff said. Jin also won’t do well because fighting games not called Mortal Kombat or Street Fighter will fail. Also other then this board, who really cares about Katamari Damacy.

Top 3 Most Hyped Characters (on this board)

1. Kerrigan
2. Vincent Valentine
3. King of all Cosmos

Honorable Mention: Kratos (ToS)

People have Kerrigan beating Vincent and having her going to the division finals where most if not all people have her losing to Magus. Same thing for Vincent except more people have him over Magus, the only reason I don’t have Vincent in the number one spot is that personally I think Kerrigan is much weaker then Vincent. Even with just KoaC being in the contest people are excited and I’ve even seen some people say that he’ll get over 40% against Tidus.
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17 handhelds Nintendo has taken down 1 more to go (see quote for rest)

From: Slowflake | Posted: 6/29/2005 1:15:57 PM | Message Detail
Oh, and where does that "GameFAQs is racist" stuff comes from? AIM convos with Red?

Any and all rap vs rock debates, the way the Hip Hop board acts, and LUE. There's other stuff, but I don't feel like getting into it.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

For the record, my final answer has to remain Ness.

Please don't flame me. :-(
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Wow, I'm amazed at how the consensus is for so many matches in the BOP. However, I'm the only one with Mario as the champ so far, so if that happens and Sonic beats Mega Man, I'll be good.
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

After some searching, I came upon a poll from 2002 asking "Who is your favorite Final Fantasy VII character?" Here are the results from GameFAQs.

Aeris 9.27% 3221
Barret 4.39% 1526
Cait Sith 2.37% 822
Cid 9.57% 3323
Cloud 31.56% 10960
Red XIII 9.4% 3264
Tifa 10.36% 3599
Vincent 18.5% 6426
Yuffie 4.57% 1587
TOTAL VOTES 34728

(http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=845)

What does this poll say? Vincent > Tifa > Aeris. Like I have been saying for the longest time now. But one measely poll from GameFAQs isn't going to be enough to do this is it? So why not take a more recent poll from 2005 taken off of FFOnline that got more votes and see how things play out.

Cloud 31.1%
Sephiroth 25.3%
Vincent 10.9%
Tifa 8.6%
Aeris 7.4%
Red XIII 5.9%
Cid 4.3%
Yuffie 3.4%
Barret 1.9%
Cait Sith 1.3%

Total Votes: 73472

(http://www.ffonline.com)

What does this poll say? Vincent > Tifa > Aeris.

These are two samples, one from GameFAQs and one from FFOnline asking the same exact question and getting the same exact order. I have no doubts at all this is exactly how they will play out in strength too. You may not put anything into the polls, but there's no way you can just ignore this after you've seen the exact same thing twice when the fanbase has been polled.

To conclude this little bit, I have a poll from GameFAQs asking about Advent Children. For those that say people are not interested, I want you to look at this nice and clearly...

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1390

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

Even WITH factoring in the SSB factor for Ness, he still is a weak bastard. A non-SFF match last year only prevent him from being seen as UBER fodder.

I wouldn't go out and call GameFAQS racist though. But the majority of the people on here are undoubtedly culturalist, if such a term even exists. Sure there might be a number of people on here who are racist. But we KNOW of many who dislike a culture. And culture is a much bigger factor nowadays than race in my opinion. When you bash the hip-hop culture, you are not insulting just black people. You are insulting the millions of americans who like hip-hop and live in that type of culture. Black, white, latino, asian... It's not just a racial thing anymore. Yet people ALWAYS define a culture by race. Speaking slang is talking black... speaking proper is talking white. Yes, there are still LOTS of racial problems in America, but the point of this post is saying that there are even MORE cultural issues in America that people blame on racism.

I just felt like saying that... I'll get back on topic now. <_<
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

These are two samples, one from GameFAQs and one from FFOnline asking the same exact question and getting the same exact order. I have no doubts at all this is exactly how they will play out in strength too. You may not put anything into the polls, but there's no way you can just ignore this after you've seen the exact same thing twice when the fanbase has been polled.

Of course it does and Knuckles and Yoshi are the strongest characters from their game as well.
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17 handhelds Nintendo has taken down 1 more to go (see quote for rest)

And Luigi is stronger than Mario, and Bowser is the weakest of the quartet.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

HM, all those polls are saying is that Vincent is more of a favorite than Tifa and Vincent. It doesn't necessarily state their order of popularity. It MAY be a good indication, but it isn't a definite. For all we know, Tifa may be generally liked by EVERYONE to be the second most popular, but she warrants few people to have her as their favorite character overall. There could be a lot of people who like Vincent the most, and a lot of people who put him below the other 2 as well...

Even if it were true, THANKFULLY Vincent isn't in a position to hurt my bracket (I have him meeting up with Crono). I'd die if he faced Sonic....
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

THANKFULLY Vincent isn't in a position to hurt my bracket (I have him meeting up with Crono).

CONTRADICTIOWNED
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

I mean, that poll actually makes a lot of sense. I don't think Tifa and Aeris don't really have a lot going for them to make them a lot of people's FAVORITE Final Fantasy VII character, but there are a hell of a lot of people who like them overall. On the other hand, Vincent has qualities that would make people like him the most. But it doesn't necessarily mean that MOST people like him due to him not playing as much a role in FFVII as Tifa and Aeris did. It could go either way in terms of their popularity...
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

THANKFULLY Vincent isn't in a position to hurt my bracket (I have him meeting up with Crono).

CONTRADICTIOWNED

LOL! Yeah, but I take it that you haven't been reading everything else I've been saying. I'm fairly certain about Vincent > Magus, although I could be wrong. If I were wrong though, I could care less since I like Magus better anyways.

HOWEVER, like I said before. Sonic is my second favorite character. If Tifa beat Sonic though, I would not care much because I like Tifa. However, I do NOT care for Vincent. If Vincent were placed against Sonic and actually BEAT him, not only would it hurt my bracket, but it would physically hurt ME as well. I don't think you understand that.

So correction, thankfully isn't in a position to hurt ME!

FIX'D
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Day Two: this bracket still makes my head spin. I'm now second-guessing myself pretty hard on Vivi/Zelda again, and Ganon/Auron as well.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

Of course it does and Knuckles and Yoshi are the strongest characters from their game as well.

I never said that was the 100% undisputed truth that Vincent is greater than both. But there's no possible way you can simply ignore that when you're getting the exact same results from two polls take years apart from one another.

Ignoring it is simply idiotic.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

Now, I've changed from Ness to CJ winning.

Hopefully, I don't get screwed over.
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HaRRicH, I'm not worried about those matches at all. Yes, Vivi did well and all, but DK is still DK. I like Vivi far more than I like Zelda, but I'm not predicting him to be a superstar. I think Zelda has more going for him at the present time. It may be close though.

Ganondorf/Auron? Ganon beat Tidus during the year when most Square characters were at their strongest and vote totals were at their highest. Now Ganon may be even stronger than he was back then due to a change in voting patterns and him potentially being more popular overall. Auron may have Kingdom Hearts II on the horizon, but I don't think that will be enough.
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I think that we're setting Vincent up to be a Luigi-like failure, personally. Does everyone remember all the love given to Luigi in 2003 due to Mario's 2002 performance and really old polls that "proved" Luigi's popularity?

Not saying Vincent will be weak, but when Magus beats him (and he will), we'll look back on these debates and be like WTF d00dz.

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"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Well, I have him losing to Dante, so meh.
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I think I'm gonna make a topic and analyze the whole bracket.
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Oh, about the Sonic/Mega Man debate. I was flip-flopping on that for awhile, but then I considered two common opponents: Tidus and Zero. Granted, there's probably some small SFF in MM/Zero, but I don't think it'd be THAT much. Also, I realize Tidus most likely under-performed against both; I'm just looking at who he under-performed against worse.
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Not saying Vincent will be weak, but when Magus beats him (and he will), we'll look back on these debates and be like WTF d00dz.

No I'll be more like TAI'D UP AND HANG'D >_>'

MM119, what size would you like your bracket to be? Human-sized, or paper-sized? :-)

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Not saying Vincent will be weak, but when Magus beats him (and he will), we'll look back on these debates and be like WTF d00dz.

No we won't. Vincent losing to Dante or Magus is logical. Luigi losing to Squall at the time was completely illogical.
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How can you say there was no SFF factor in Zero/Megaman???

Vincent definitely has super-star room, and I've gone on record saying I think many of those FF polls are pretty accurate...but I also stand by what I said when the upset poll this spring came out: while all those polls have their truths, it's not always gonna be that obvious to find what can be useful to us. I think Vincent's gonna be misleading by those polls, though I can accept it if he does turn out to be the third strongest.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
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Bowser vs Solid Snake is still making me think. Obvious answer is Snake, but Bowser was only behind him by 2% in the 2k4 extrapolated. I'll need to see how many other upsets I have.

And where does Snowflake want us to post our brackets when they are done? or e-mail?
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I didn't say there was no SFF factor; I just don't think it would have been enough to put MM on par with Sonic.
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No we won't. Vincent losing to Dante or Magus is logical.

To Magus? Yes.

To Dante? Um, probably, but it won't happen. :-)
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I never said that was the 100% undisputed truth that Vincent is greater than both. But there's no possible way you can simply ignore that when you're getting the exact same results from two polls take years apart from one another.

Ignoring it is simply idiotic.

That attitude made most of board 8 put Luigi over Squall and Yoshi over Bowser. Those polls show nothing except that about 6500 people like Vincent. For all we know the rest could hate him with all their guts.

Ignoring that is simply idiotic.
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From: Tjian | Posted: 6/29/2005 2:38:38 PM | #151
Bowser vs Solid Snake is still making me think. Obvious answer is Snake, but Bowser was only behind him by 2% in the 2k4 extrapolated. I'll need to see how many other upsets I have.

And where does Snowflake want us to post our brackets when they are done? or e-mail?

The BOP topic itself. Just check it.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

I have Vincent losing to Dante, although I hope he beats Magus.

People obviously care about him if Nomura wanted to put him in KH and is making a game about him...
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Volgin is one sexy beast....

does anyone think that me putting squall to win his division is insane or just very risky
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I also have Dante beating Vincent which in turn will be like the nail-biter Zelda vs. Vincent I wanted to see.
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does anyone think that me putting squall to win his division is insane or just very risky

Bracket Suicide. :-)
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does anyone think that me putting squall to win his division is insane or just very risky

About as insane as putting Auron over Ganondorf.
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does anyone think that me putting squall to win his division is insane or just very risky

Risky, having Dante would be insane. If Squall wins over Magus then Vincent/Dante will be easy.
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My biggest predictions: Mario over Samus, Alucard over Sora, Magus over Dante.

From: charmander6000 | Posted: 6/29/2005 1:44:17 PM | #160
does anyone think that me putting squall to win his division is insane or just very risky

About as insane as putting Auron over Ganondorf.

Not that insane, but insane nonetheless.
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I just told one of my friends who never entered a contest before about the bracket.

He's dead set on Vincent as champion.

XD
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Volgin is one sexy beast....

Risky, having Dante would be insane. If Squall wins over Magus then Vincent/Dante will be easy.

Dude, I'm telling you, Squall is not touching Magus.

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Why is everyone thinking that Ocelot will beat Yoshi?

28 Yoshi 27.05
49 Revolver Ocelot 23.38

From RPGuy's all time Xsts. Clearly Yoshi has to be the favorite.
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"I believe everyone has at least one skill that they excel in over all others. It's something that defines who they are." - chaos, Xenosaga Episode I

In a match between Mega Man and Sonic the Hedgehog, I originally had Sonic. Then I remembered the match between Sonic and Zero. Zero mustered more than 47% in that match. Zero. Not Mega Man. Zero.

Then again, who am I to talk? I have Luigi over Tifa.

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Also, they both have faced Bowser, and Yoshi did much better against him than Ocelot did, even with the chance of SFF.
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Why is everyone thinking that Ocelot will beat Yoshi?

Who in here was really thinking that?
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Gordon will beat Leon =/


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I'll throw out a tip: don't under-estimate Terra. Let's assume that the strength shown by Kefka when he faced Wesker was meant to be his true strength (when he had an in-game look), and that Luca Blight stayed constant. That puts Kefka right above Dante 2k4 (Kefka - 25.89%, Dante - 25.49%). From there, if you generally believe hero > villain, then you could buy Terra being stronger than that. From there, it's up to you how much you believe DMC3 will gain for Dante.

This is assuming Terra gets a real pic too, and not ridiculous art like Lettuce Kefka.


I've got Dante in my bracket, but you really shouldn't over-look it.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

Why is everyone thinking that Ocelot will beat Yoshi?

Who said that? Pac-Man is going to break 40% on Ocelot.
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Who said that? Pac-Man is going to break 40% on Ocelot

...what??
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Trainer: Clinkeroth, do mega fanboy attack!
Clinkeroth: CLINKEROTH! ~Pibb of Truth

Vincent tear-assing through his division is not out of the question or illogical by any means. I don't think he'll beat Magus, but I don't think Magus will be able to do any better than 52% on him at the absolute most.

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From: charmander6000

Who said that? Pac-Man is going to break 40% on Ocelot.

I know, and yet whenever people give advice (outside of this topic) they are all taking Ocelot.
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"I believe everyone has at least one skill that they excel in over all others. It's something that defines who they are." - chaos, Xenosaga Episode I

Ryu is gonna OWN Bowser. I mean Shin-Shoryuken own too.
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The Shin Shoryuken is undoubtedly the most hilarious move one can land on another opponent in a fighting game, and I've chain grabbed many people to death in SSBM. It can't even compare to the SS.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Ryu is gonna OWN Bowser. I mean Shin-Shoryuken own too.

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... quiet that's one of my biggest upset pick.
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Ryu > Bowser isnt an upset going by the stats....
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Yes, but most people are taking Bowser over Ryu and heck some even have him over Solid Snake
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who thinks that master chief has a lot of pressure on him. he is going up against characters he should beat easily so if cats avoids a doubling MC will have to avoid getting doubled by someone seeded lower than him,in his own division. so if crono cripples xbox's number one man then xbox will probably never have a character to make the elite eight.
speaking of which the 1seeds seem weaker than they should. kirby,snake,dante,MC all have a chance of losing their divisions
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

....So no one payed attention to MMXcalibur's idea that Big Boss will have strength similar to Snake if he gets a MGS 3 pic, which will make Auron run into trouble?
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Volgin is one sexy beast....

Well, if Boss got a MGS3 pic..

Then he could, theoretically, blow past Auron + Ganon which would **** over tons of brackets...

And Samus would take down the same person twice --___--

Ironically, I have Big Boss > Auron and Ganon.

Im banking on a MGS3 Big Boss pic..

Its go big or go home.

I have seen so many cookie cutter brackets and I need something to differiente myself from the pack. Im banking on this pic + Gordon's HL2 success[Gordon > Leon btw]
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I'd take Auron over Solid anyways in a close match; someone who looks like Solid with a different name in MGS3 instead of MGS1/2 isnt goin' to get serious consideration from me. He'll avoid the doubling though, I assume, and get about 38%.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

You know what? Screw it. I have Mario beating Crono in the final, and I'm not changing it. Something really ****ed up and inexplicable happens in every contest, and for all we know, Mario could be it this contest. It's crazy, but who cares.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Well, if Boss got a MGS3 pic..

Ceej has shown that he loves using the standard MGS artwork pics for Round 1 matches. Snake has had his same pic all three years (I think), and Liquid also received an artwork picture in last year's first round. Now, as far as I know, there is only one official artwork picture for Big Boss, and it's the one you see on the character description page.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

Oh, and should Mario beat Crono, I'd love to see how he does against Sephiroth. Something tells me that 2003 was an absolute fluke.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

You know what? Screw it. I have Mario beating Crono in the final, and I'm not changing it. Something really ****ed up and inexplicable happens in every contest, and for all we know, Mario could be it this contest. It's crazy, but who cares.

God damn it Ulti. Take it back. You are stealing my ***ing champion! Although I think you are lying.
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I trust Ulti's being serious. Either way, I know what's happening in my champion match, so it doesn't bother me what he does, heh.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
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i think i've gone crazy with my main account. i got mario winning and squall winning his division. lucky i got an alt for the safe choices
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Many have written...curious as to who The Sage of Board 8 has taken this year...

Well..you all will have to wait and find out! :) But I shall reveal it is NOT, and I mean NOT, Sora.

Said a wise man once..."Foolish is the nerdy fanboy who chooses this choke artist..."

This year, the Bracket of Blizzard will likely reign supreme, and this will cause great pain in the hearts of the console gamers, and the tears of the fanboys and newbies will flow like rain from the clouds...

Good to see so much lame-o fodder has been eliminated...that worthless Shenmue guy...Bomberwoman...Tails...Lara & the Dukester...to name a few.

A very solid challenging bracket that will break casual gamers left and right, though I am angry that no MK characters are here...but I do get Chun Li..

FF retro... nice variety here in Tifa..Vincent...Terra...and CECIL! That was a surprise to see...too bad he will be Jobbing in Round 1... They all belong though...

No Linky, No Cloudy, no Sephy...nice x 3...good thing Ceejus finally realized no one in this field could take any of them on any given day...

Let the bashing begin...soon... :)
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I trust Ulti's being serious. Either way, I know what's happening in my champion match, so it doesn't bother me what he does, heh.

Why do peeps care so much what Ulti says? A question that boggles the mind of the true gamer, the thinker, the true elites...or is it merely something to ponder while deciding which ship to choose in Einhander?

Trust me, this little caveat of Board 8 will get MAJOR airplay in my satirical commentary this year...

Its like Kefka sitting on the crapper...what does he really rule?
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Why do peeps care so much what Ulti says? A question that boggles the mind of the true gamer, the thinker, the true elites...or is it merely something to ponder while deciding which ship to choose in Einhander?

The only reason I "care" what Ulti says is because I don't want anyone to be taking the same champ as me, so the less the better.
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MasterMage119

You know what? Screw it. I have Mario beating Crono in the final, and I'm not changing it. Something really ****ed up and inexplicable happens in every contest, and for all we know, Mario could be it this contest. It's crazy, but who cares.

Thats what I'm banking on. Its far from the cookie-cutter bracket.

Now for a crazy fact that ignores the Xts but Mario is the only other character in the Summer Contests to be in the finals besides Clinkeroth
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Ulti just took his bracket and jumped off the edge of a cliff.

Mario doesn't have what it takes to beat Crono anymore, and 2004 proved that. The margin was wide enough for me to believe it wasn't a fluke as well.

If Samus beats Mario, she's winning. If Mario beats Samus, Crono wins.

That said, I have Samus beating Seph in the ToC, so I guess there's my big risk taker.
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The only reason I "care" what Ulti says is because I don't want anyone to be taking the same champ as me, so the less the better.

Well, if you take Donkey Kong, you got nothing to worry about my friend :)

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I've got a question for you guys: who would you take between Cecil and Ramza?
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--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

Cecil for sure...

Ramza who? LOL

Seriously, Cecil..better art, better pics, big sword...ummm...uhhhh...better name too. And massive appeal to old school Squaresoftites...
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Coming back to this topic...some ppl have Bowser to the Final Four.

THEY ARE OUT OF THERE MINDS
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Can someone give me the Villains Contest X-Stats? I'm going to prove mathmetically that Kratos Aurion>Diablo.

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Girls throw themselves at him like prostitutes left and right, yet the only girl Cloud wants or cares about throughout the entire game is Sephiroth.- Ulti

1 Sephiroth: 50.00%
2 Ganondorf: 41.83%
3 Bowser: 40.45%
4 Diablo: 29.11%
5 Revolver Ocelot: 27.51%
6 M. Bison: 27.44%
7 Kefka: 26.73%
8 Dr. Wily: 25.03%
9 Nemesis: 24.95%
10 Ridley: 24.66%
11 Liquid Snake: 24.08%
12 Ansem: 21.38%
13 Lavos: 21.37%
14 Vergil: 21.19%
15 CATS: 19.66%
16 Dr. Robotnik: 19.54%
17 Mithos: 19.26%
18 Sin: 19.03%
19 Mother Brain: 18.90%
20 Ultros: 18.01%
21 Sigma: 17.74%
22 Albedo: 17.32%
23 Andross: 16.50%
24 Ramirez: 16.30%
25 Wesker: 15.84%
26 Master Hand: 15.83%
27 Ghaleon: 15.07%
28 Kuja: 14.64%
29 Pyramid Head: 13.04%
30 Luca Blight: 12.76%
31 Giygas: 12.57%
32 Officer Tenpenny: 9.89%
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

Can someone give me the Villains Contest X-Stats? I'm going to prove mathmetically that Kratos Aurion>Diablo.

I can do that for you.

Kratos Aurion would get 15% more than Mithos on Sephiroth, because I just know, u knoe? Kratos wins!
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Mario doesn't have what it takes to beat Crono anymore, and 2004 proved that.

Or it could be that people just felt like voting for Crono to get that dumbassed little feud over with. The only people that really cared about that match were the people still in the running for prizes. Mario/Crono in the finals is a whole different animal than Mario/Crono in the most predictable contest we've ever had.

But I won't discount your opinion, because Mario over both Samus and Crono is an upset pick. But you know, the reason I won Spring 2004 is because I took two boneheaded upset specials (Starcraft over Halo and SSBM winning D128) and ran with them. Whenever I try going by the stats, I do badly.





So I say screw the stats. And yes, I'm being quite serious. Even if you think Mario can't beat Crono, Mario over Samus isn't a bad pick in the least.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Cecil easily

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1445

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Nominate Cecil from Final Fantasy IV for the summer contest

Not saying Vincent will be weak, but when Squall beats him (and he will),

Fixed.
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What's the number that you have to divide each character by to get their 2004 standings?

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Girls throw themselves at him like prostitutes left and right, yet the only girl Cloud wants or cares about throughout the entire game is Sephiroth.- Ulti

SSBM wasn't abonehead pick, Ulti.
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DEFENCE, DEFENCE
"Alas, history is nothing but a lie agreed upon" - Napoleon Bonaparte.

So I say screw the stats. And yes, I'm being quite serious.

I been sayin this for over 2 years...
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Nevermind, got it, 1.179245283

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Girls throw themselves at him like prostitutes left and right, yet the only girl Cloud wants or cares about throughout the entire game is Sephiroth.- Ulti

I can't wait until that match. You Squall fans (all 7 of you) are out of your minds.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

But I won't discount your opinion, because Mario over both Samus and Crono is an upset pick. But you know, the reason I won Spring 2004 is because I took two boneheaded upset specials (Starcraft over Halo and SSBM winning D128) and ran with them. Whenever I try going by the stats, I do badly.

You talk about the stats, but only SFF will give Mario a chance at beating Samus. I can compare matches and come up with Samus winning. You have to pray that SFF will help Mario.
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Since this topic will undoubtedly reach 300-350 before I get back from work, Leon, make the next one whenever you feel like it.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

SFF helping Mario defeat a Nintendo character from a niche series isn't exactly impossible.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

I'm about as big of Squall fan as there is, and I'm not delusional enough to take him over Magus...

and SSBM was not a bonehead pick, it was a good one. I thought it was pretty easy, though I was going to be a bit worried of it went head to head with Wind Waker.

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Mario will SFF Samus, and pull it out against Crono.

Even if you think Mario can't beat Crono, Mario over Samus isn't a bad pick in the least.

It isn't, but it's extremely risky. Samus has shown signs of only getting stronger in these Contests, while Mario has always been...not performing as impressive as he should. Mario's tump card though is the SFF factor, and that's the only way he will beat Samus. If he can some how get Nintendo SFF on her, it's his match. I don't think it'll happen though. Link couldn't get SFF on either character, and Link is stronger than both Mario and Samus. I also believe that a Link/Mario or Link/Samus fanbase would be more mixed than the Mario/Samus one.
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SFF helping Mario defeat a Nintendo character from a niche series isn't exactly impossible.

You're right.

It just won't happen....I hope it won't, at least. X_x'
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Whoa; that poll surprises me...only behind Cloud and Squall for Cecil? Sexy. That poll had him over Tidus and Terra, and it's arguable that Dante > Kirby.

I'm not saying Cecil's the third most powerful lead, but that's an upset match we could be missing out on.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

i'd love to see Squall beat Magus. brackets would fry, all the CT fans have an upset look on their face saying "...what? thats not right", and i'd get to see my favorite character advance one more round into a showdown with Vincent

but sadly, Magus just HAS to interfere en route to another Crono SFF slaughter. hell, if Magus loses in round 2 or 3, this contest becomes a helluva lot more interesting

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Nominate Cecil from Final Fantasy IV for the summer contest

But I won't discount your opinion, because Mario over both Samus and Crono is an upset pick. But you know, the reason I won Spring 2004 is because I took two boneheaded upset specials (Starcraft over Halo and SSBM winning D128) and ran with them. Whenever I try going by the stats, I do badly.

People said that Halo/SC was a coin toss match and who ever won SSBM/FFX match was going to win the division IMO (too bad I went for the other game)
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I can't wait until that match. You Squall fans (all 7 of you) are out of your minds.

I've already proven the upset is plausible. What do you mean I'm out of my mind?
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SSBM would have SFFd Wind Waker into the ground with utmost ease. The only match I was worried about was FFX, and every sign in the book pointed to FFX winning before that match started.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

And I admitted awhile ago that Squall has a chance. Check back a few pages. I'm just busting your nuts, buddy =p

Anyway, I'm out. Have fun.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Cecil is very popular among those who have actually played Final Fantasy IV. The problem is that it's not as large of a number as the rest of the series. I think Kirby should get about 60% on him, though I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't.
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I've already proven the upset is plausible. What do you mean I'm out of my mind?

Yes, plausible in your own mind. Magus is near-elite. Squall isn't. That's the end of it.
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SSBM would have SFFd Wind Waker into the ground with utmost ease. The only match I was worried about was FFX, and every sign in the book pointed to FFX winning before that match started.

I had SSBM winning its division also. Another good pick I made was SMRPG over SFII but StarCraft ruined my bracket.
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Yes, plausible in your own mind. Magus is near-elite. Squall isn't. That's the end of it.

And yet look at opponents whose number is based on Magus (Sam Fisher, Luca Blight, Tidus). Whenever they've faced somebody else in the next contest, they've bombed HORRIBLY compared to expectations. If that's not a warning sign that Magus could be overrated, I don't know what is.
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 6/29/2005 1:34:33 PM | Message Detail
Whoa; that poll surprises me...only behind Cloud and Squall for Cecil? Sexy. That poll had him over Tidus and Terra, and it's arguable that Dante > Kirby.

I'm not saying Cecil's the third most powerful lead, but that's an upset match we could be missing out on.

you have no idea how happy i would be to see Cecil beat Kirby. hell, i almost passed out when i saw he made the bracket. go Cecil!

my only hope is that Cecil gets an absolutely awesome pic and makes it a show against Kirby.

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Nominate Cecil from Final Fantasy IV for the summer contest

*had LoZ:WW beating SSBM*
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

But I won't discount your opinion, because Mario over both Samus and Crono is an upset pick. But you know, the reason I won Spring 2004 is because I took two boneheaded upset specials (Starcraft over Halo and SSBM winning D128) and ran with them. Whenever I try going by the stats, I do badly.

I made the same upset picks. SSBM in the Final Four was actually a rather obvious pick for me. I was incredulous when I found out that some people had it losing as early as the first round. I would have finished in the Top 30 if it wasn't for FF7 beating CT. *grumble*

Crono went from losing to Mario by potentially a couple thousand votes, to nearly matching him, to beating him by over six thousand votes. There's really nothing to suggest that Mario could beat Crono again. It's basically pick-and-pray.

Now here's an upset worth talking about: Samus defeating Sephiroth.

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You could also say Ganon, if the general belief is that Sephiroth dropped.
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I am shocked to see only one bracket thus far has KOS-MOS in the BOP, and only me and another enlightened soul have Ness. Cries of racism will destroy GameFAQs after freakin' Ness beats the african-american anti-hero of GTA:SA. Book it.

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YoBlazer(33) & Robotnik pwned my (Ro)butt in Sp2k5

Kain > Cecil


I demand Kain in the contest ;_;

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Mario will SFF Samus, and pull it out against Crono.

Kain > Cecil

Cid > Both

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I believe I had Zelda:TWW winning the 128-division, beating SSBM for it. I also had StarCraft losing to Halo.

So, yeah, that division ****ed up my bracket more than anything (I got 8-Bit division perfect).
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I like Kain more, but Cecil would beat him down head-to-head.
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And yet look at opponents whose number is based on Magus (Sam Fisher, Luca Blight, Tidus). Whenever they've faced somebody else in the next contest, they've bombed HORRIBLY compared to expectations. If that's not a warning sign that Magus could be overrated, I don't know what is.

actually Squall over Magus just became a lot more possible with Leonhart's post.

we know from SC2K3 that Magus >= Ganon >= Tidus. And judging from a few polls we've seen, Squall would beat Tidus. Now if Magus would only beat Tidus by 4% or 5%, why can't Squall beat Magus? And don't forget that Squall has appeared on GBA in KH: CoM, expanding his audience. What has Magus done lately? Nothing

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Nominate Cecil from Final Fantasy IV for the summer contest

Samus vs Ganon can give us a glimpse at how she'd do against Sephiroth, but they're might be some SFF there

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Nominate Cecil from Final Fantasy IV for the summer contest

Cries of racism will destroy GameFAQs after freakin' Ness beats the african-american anti-hero of GTA:SA. Book it.

The only thing I'll book is how to laugh at you for not seeing the light. :-)
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Can somebody please post where Auron is expected to be at in 2k4 if he was based off of Tails 2k4 and if he was based off of Scorpion 2k3? Appreciate it.
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--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

Ness in this contest is like the lil' kid hanging around the candy counter hopin a jelly bean falls out...

He dont belong, and CJ will bust a cap in his fat little ass!
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Can somebody please post where Auron is expected to be at in 2k4 if he was based off of Tails 2k4 and if he was based off of Scorpion 2k3? Appreciate it.

2k4 Tails: 30.57%
2k3 Scorpion: 34.05% (over Sonic)
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Based on 2004 Tails, Auron stands at 33.56, slightly above Zero.

Based on 2003 Scorpion, Auron stands at 35.19, above Magus.

Ganondorf is at 34.72, for the record.
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I'm guessing charmander used 2004 Link as the standard. Mine is based on 2003 Link.
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First, let's take a look at Mithos vs. Diablo.

Mithos: 16.33248%
Diablo: 24.68528%
Difference: 8.3528%

Obviously, Diablo wins under any cirsumstance. Kefka near doubled Mithos, Diablo beat Kefka by 8000 votes or so. So, why wouldn't Kratos Aurion beat Diablo? the difference between villains and heros are usually large.

Mega Man: 35.99%
Dr. Wily: 21.22544005%
Difference: 14.76455995%

Vyse: 17.92%
Ramirez: 13.82240004%
Difference: 4.03775996%

Ness: 19.14%
Giygas: 10.65088003%
Difference: 8.48911997%

Sonic: 33.56%
Shadow the Hedgehog: 24.94%
Dr. Robotnik: 16.56992004%
Difference (Shadow): 8.37007996%

Tommy Vercetti: 24.17% (the closest Carl Johnson comparisan there is)
Officer Tenpenny: 8.38670021
Difference: 15.78329979

Vivi: 25.22%
Kuja: 12.41472003%
Difference: 12.80527997%

KOS-MOS: 22.60%
Albedo: 14.68736004%
Difference: 7.91263996%

Auron: 27.38%
Tidus: 25.35%
Sin: 16.12896004%
Difference (Tidus): 9.22103996%

Mario: 34.77%
Bowser: 28.88%
Difference: 5.89%

Cloud: 48.18%
Sephiroth: 42.40%
Difference: 5.78%

Link: 50%
Ganondorf: 32.38%
Difference: 17.62%

Average Difference (Vercetti-Tenpenny was excluded): 9.489047973

This is more than what it would take to beat Diablo. Kratos Aurion has already proven himself to be the second-most popular ToS character. What's that? Second-most popular doesn't cut it? Then let's take a look at some other second most popular characters.

Vivi: 25.22%
Kuja: 12.41472003%
Difference: 12.80527997%

Shadow the Hedgehog: 24.94%
Dr. Robotnik: 16.56992004%
Difference: 8.37007996%

Zero: 31.67%
Dr. Wily: 21.22544005%
Difference: 10.44456%

Tidus: 25.35%
Sin: 16.12896004%
Difference: 9.22103996%

They don't seem to have any trouble beating the villain.

Also, you have to understand the nature of Mithos.

http://www.pages.drexel.edu/~aws82/mithos.jpg

That was his match pic. It makes the gap between Mithos and Diablo even bigger then it really is.

Also, Mithos is, as a whole, hated by ToS fans. The other characters are probably much stronger then him.

Phew.

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From: Tai | Posted: 6/29/2005 2:53:20 PM | Message Detail | #080

The only thing I'll book is how to laugh at you for not seeing the light. :-)

Coming from the guy who preached Sin>Robotnik? I think you forfeited the right to laugh at anyone after the way you were owned in that match.

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That decides it then for me; I think Tails 2k4 is a lil' stronger than Tails 2k3, since Sonic Heroes seemed to have helped Sonic and Knuckles a lil' (Shadow too, maybe?). It's hard to ignore the one based on Scorpion 2k3, but I do think Scorpion dropped some...perhaps not alot, but I'll chance it with this other option of Tails.

I'll take Ganon over Auron.
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entire long post about hero/villain

Hate to break it to you sir, but go back to the drawing board, and do it with sidekick/villain, as Kratos is NOT, and will not receive the support of, a hero. You can use: Tails/Robotnik, Frog/Lavos, Zero/Wily (or Sigma), Luigi/Bowser, Aeris/Sephiroth, Zelda/Ganondorf and Auron/Sin come to mind. You will quickly see that it is not rare to find a sidekick who actually is outperformed by the villain. And just as quickly, you will see Kratos will have little to no chance at beating Diablo.

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Kratos should do well for himself, but I'll take Diablo in that one.
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--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

Sonic went up a bit, true, but Knuckles was pretty stable, far as we can tell.
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1. And why won't Kratos recieve the support of a hero? He's in your party for the first third of the game, and returns later.
2. Hero/villain wasn't the whole point. It was also most popular character/villain.

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Girls throw themselves at him like prostitutes left and right, yet the only girl Cloud wants or cares about throughout the entire game is Sephiroth.- Ulti

The best comparison for Kratos would be Magus, if you ask me.
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Coming from the guy who preached Sin>Robotnik? I think you forfeited the right to laugh at anyone after the way you were owned in that match.

No, see, that's not how it works. It's if you don't believe me, not what I should say. I have the right to say what I believe in, and I've given this match thought. If you don't believe me, that's your problem, not mine.

At least to a point there was reason to believe in Sin. He lost by a little more than 1900 votes, a lot closer than everyone else likewise was preaching to me. I'll never forget someone saying Robotnik would get 80% against Sin. What the ****?

Also, the only pro given to Ness is the one I used for Sin, and that's company association. Any more questions?

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ToS Spoilers






Because he is not a hero. He is a bad guy for some of the game, much like Magus. I think a relation of Crono:Magus as Lloyd:Kratos will prove fairly true. I am too lazy right now to analyze this statistically, but I do not expect Lloyd to be high enough, such that the trickle-down effect will result in Kratos>Diablo. I am not saying that Diablo is winning 60/40, but much like Tidus/Shadow, no matter how close the match may actually get, I will always have been 100% confident on who would win.







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Yeah, how is my pro of racism in any way related to company affiliation?

Note: pro is used in the context of something that favors Ness, not in the sense that racism is a pro.

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Wow, never thought I'd see the day where I'd have Samus winning a Summer Contest tournament now. Well, outside of the Champion bracket of course.
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[Player] A bunch of JP just trained me!
[GM] Well you're still here, so they obviously didn't do it right. LBSJ

Yeah, how is my pro of racism in any way related to company affiliation?

Note: pro is used in the context of something that favors Ness, not in the sense that racism is a pro.

Not enough in anyway.

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Hmm... 2k3 Vercetti is expected to get a hair over 60% on 2k4 Ness. I personally would expect 2k3 Vercetti to get around 55-58% on 2k5 CJ. This would mean I would have to expect Ness to have gotten some form of an increase in the past year. I may have to reassess this match-up.

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Yeah; Samus is a surprise. I'm tempted to take her over Sephiroth, too, though I'm gonna hold back.
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Also, I don't think you read what I said, or you would have found out I did not refer to racism. What do you mean "Pro" on racism?
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2k3 Vercetti is expected to get a hair over 60% on 2k4 Ness.

While you're reassessing, remember that Auron/Seph isn't adjusted in the 2k4 stats.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

What is everyone expecting from Chun-Li against Bowser? Bison would be expected to get 33.92% on him. I'm almost positive that Thunder Thighs is stronger. I say she gets about 35-36%.
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Round 1: (7) Geno

It's gonna be a close one...
...but I don't know...
...
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...I think Tom Nook will beat Captain Olimar. :O

While you're reassessing, remember that Auron/Seph isn't adjusted in the 2k4 stats.

2k4 Tails = 2k4 Auron that's how I adjusted him.
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For what it's worth, Ness, Scorpion, and Tails are all practically even in the stats.

I'm almost disappointed that Auron doesn't have an opponent he'll go 65/35 on this year, unless Big Boss turns out to be as strong as Ocelot.
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By pro on racism, I mean exactly that. Liquid Snake had no business quadrupling a GTA character. He proved that when he almost got tripled himself by Sephiroth, leaving Tenpenny at under 10%. GTA has proven it is way too mainstream to have that LITTLE of support (note: I am not saying mainstream=win, I am saying mainstream=some semblence of support). You can think whatever you want towards a Tenpenny quadrupling... I personally think it is race. As such, when the caucasian Ness meets the african-american CJ, there will be some votes cast for Ness that he would not receive if CJ was Vercetti. I just now have to assess if I think that, plus some mythical increase, will cover the difference.

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Yeah, according to the X-Stats, Samus vs. Sephiroth (if it goes that far) has the potential to be a huge barnburner. I'm honestly not confident with my Seph pick in that matchup at all.
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[GM] Well you're still here, so they obviously didn't do it right. LBSJ

Ness is Asian.

>_>;
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Volgin is one sexy beast....

I'll take Chun-Li to get, say...40% on Bowser. That's a lil' above Luigi, above M. Bison, and above what Ken in 2k3 did. The only thing I don't like about that guess is that means she gets 40% on Bowser, heh.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

...is he really? News to me.

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I wonder if we'll have another Halosniper2003, someone who lasts more than 10 matches with someone like Gordon Freeman winning.
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too bad he didn't survive until the Sam/Gordon match actually took place.
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I like the fact that there's almost no-one with KOS-MOS>Luigi, that gives me a semi-unique upset for a change. ^^
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As much as I want to put something original about the Guru Contest here, I can't, because Yoblazer owned me way too hard.

It's a very viable upset, too. I'll stick with Luigi though.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

In case you guys liked my FACT or FICTION stuff before...

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=21883958
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Hey guys, how is the gameplay of Tales of Symphonia? Because I've been spoiled so damn much on GameFAQS, that if I ever played the game the gameplay would HAVE to be the thing to keep me playing it... And I'm talking FFVII levels of fun...
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Don't expect Lloyd to be top 20. That means he rivals the heroes of Final Fantasy VIII, Final Fantasy X, and Kingdom Hearts. Can't see it.

Nice spoilers without warning there, by the way.
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Round 1: (7) Geno

The gameplay of ToS is possibly the best in an RPG, ever. The battle system is awesome, there are many side-quests, your characters are uber-customizable, you have an alternate ending, and there are many hidden bosses.

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Girls throw themselves at him like prostitutes left and right, yet the only girl Cloud wants or cares about throughout the entire game is Sephiroth.- Ulti

Don't expect Lloyd to be top 20. That means he rivals the heroes of Final Fantasy VIII, Final Fantasy X, and Kingdom Hearts. Can't see it.

Why not? ToS is one of the most popular Gamecube games on the site, and is new.

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Girls throw themselves at him like prostitutes left and right, yet the only girl Cloud wants or cares about throughout the entire game is Sephiroth.- Ulti

FF8, FFX, and KH are three of the most popular games on the PS2, and have had time to sink in.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

Well, I shouldn't say FF8 on the PS2. PS though, yes.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

Why not? ToS is one of the most popular Gamecube games on the site, and is new.

Only problem: It's not a Square RPG. Lloyd won't be able to beat out Squall, Tidus, or Sora. I can see Lloyd being around...Knuckles, but no higher.
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That's a possibility, but ToS is popularity and Mithos' ranking has me going for Kratos beating Diablo.

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Girls throw themselves at him like prostitutes left and right, yet the only girl Cloud wants or cares about throughout the entire game is Sephiroth.- Ulti

Kratos > Diablo's much more reasonable than Lloyd > Zero...I wouldn't count on either though, although Kratos > Diablo's an upset pick I won't diss.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

I fail to see how Kratos vs. Diablo is getting to be a debated match. Diablo will win with ease. Can Kratos beat M. Bison? Kefka? I don't think Kratos will even beat Ridley. I'm not underestimating Diablo again.
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ah, nothing like waking up to 300 posts in the stats topic. must be contest season.

I'm fairly sure Kratos would beat Ridley; in fact, thinking about it, I think he'd beat Ridley with the same percentage Diablo did. I've gone back and forth four times and Kratos/Diablo. these uber-math proofs aren't convincing me, but seeing as how there aren't many RPGs bigger than TOS on the site currently is making me do quadruple-takes. right I'd be very, very wary of treating TOS as weak just because it's not Square. now, something like diabloii.net is making up my mind as much as anything.

Kratos/Lloyd reminds me of Tidus/Auron, and it's very possible Kratos is stronger than Lloyd. would anyone take Lloyd over Diablo? I treat the two characters equally at this point until I find a reason to change that line of thinking.

as for other stuff, I've been thinking about this: it's kind of unfortunate that we've got Cloud-Link before Seph-2005 winner. that match is clearly the undercard to Cloud-Link. it should be treated as such.

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y'know after checking out the bracket a little more, i decided that this bracket isn't nearly as amazing as everyone is making it out to be. it is a decent bracket, but it still could have been much more interesting and much tougher to predict. why, you ask? well, last year, most (well, just about all) of our unpredictable and tough to call matches involved new characters to the contest. and matches involving characters we have no data on often end up being exciting matches or heavily debated. that's why this past Spring's contest was decent. because we had to debate where the characters would lie without any previous contest numbers backing them up. this time, though, very few of the new characters are involved in tough matchups.

Ceej did a fantastic job with placing characters we have already seen in action, but he completely wasted our new characters. this year we only have ONE lone match that involves two new characters. and the majority of the new characters are getting sacrificed to Elites or near-Elites in Round One. here, look:

of the 22 new characters -

automatically sacrificed in First Round (13):

Joanna Dark
Yuri Hyuga
Big Boss
Manny Calavera
Kratos (GofW)
Agent 47
Cecil
King of All Cosmos
Chun-Li
Rikku
Zidane
Geno
Jin Kazama

that's 13 out of 22 (over half) of the new characters that have no shot of even being involve in debatable matches. now, granted, some of them (like Yuri, Manny, Neo Tanner) wouldn't be expected to do much against anyone, but most of these characters could have made things interesting against either another new character, or at least a mid-level character.

now, out of the remaining 9 new characters, two have first round fodder matches, followed by an impending 2nd Round match against Elite characters - Lloyd and Leon. both of those guys could have been involved in debatable matches against over half of the field, but instead they both also get very predictable spots.

so, that leaves 7 new characters. out of those 7, 3 of them are considered longshots, with only a slight chance of winning their matches -

Terra
Kratos Aurion
Riku

very few people here are expecting those three to win their matches, and they could have been involved in much more heated matches, either against each other or against mid-level characters (like Yoshi and DK and Ocelot).

so, in reality, that only leaves 4 out of 22 new characters that are involved in a debated matchup -

Tifa
Vincent
CJ
Kerrigan

so, instead of having a difficult time figuring out where most of these new characters (like Chun-Li or Riku or Lloyd or Leon) would lie, we don't even have to bother, because we pretty much know whether or not the majority of them will win. i would have much preferred to see the new characters involved in close match-ups.

so, yeah, this bracket is good. but good is the enemy of great. and i don't think that it should be praised as being this amazingly great bracket.

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Yoblazer is officially THE MAN for beating us all in SpC2K5!!

It's the least bad one yet, enjoy it while you can because we're not getting one as good as this next year.
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Good argument cyko, but it's still better than most brackets CJay's given us. Plus, I wouldn't call Cecil automatic first-round fodder. Will he likely lose? Yes, but there's room for the upset in that one.
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--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

It's the least bad one yet, enjoy it while you can because we're not getting one as good as this next year.

that's the bummer part, too, because we won't have nearly as many debatable new characters next year. and most of this year's were wasted in obvious matches. even though it is a decent bracket, this year's still could have been much better. =(

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Yoblazer is officially THE MAN for beating us all in SpC2K5!!

Eh, if you wanted to take an old school FF main upset, Terra's a better bet than Cecil.
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Round 1: (7) Geno

2004 Dante is expected to get 25.49 on 2004 Link. Assuming the Spring Contest numbers carry over accurately, Kefka would be expected to get 22.667% on 2004 Link. This would give him 47% on Dante. Is it completely out of the question for Terra to make up that difference, or am I just dreaming?

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Good argument cyko, but it's still better than most brackets CJay's given us. Plus, I wouldn't call Cecil automatic first-round fodder. Will he likely lose? Yes, but there's room for the upset in that one.

overall, 2K5 is a vastly superior bracket thatn 2K4. but i'm not sure if i would put it above 2K2 and 2K3. all three of them are about even to me, as far as how hard they all were to predict. i guess i am just a bit bitter about the vast amount of praise combined with the large amount of wasted potential good matches. *shrugs*

and as far as Cecil vs. Kirby, Cecil has way too much going against him, especially if he gets another one of those unrecognizable Amano pictures. ugh.

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Yoblazer is officially THE MAN for beating us all in SpC2K5!!

2004 Dante is expected to get 25.49 on 2004 Link. Assuming the Spring Contest numbers carry over accurately, Kefka would be expected to get 22.667% on 2004 Link. This would give him 47% on Dante. Is it completely out of the question for Terra to make up that difference, or am I just dreaming?

completely out of the question? no. but highly unlikely? yes. that's still a decent chunk of ground for Terra to make up. it's possible, but doubtful. actually, Terra vs. Kefka would have been a much better matchup. that's one SFF match i wouldn't have minded seeing.

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Yoblazer is officially THE MAN for beating us all in SpC2K5!!

Hmm, I hate newbie fodder vs. newbie fodder matches (and SC2K4 was littered with them), but all the newbies going out in Round 1 is a bit lame.
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SC2K5: Samus is going all the way!

I'd say Cecil would get on Kirby about as much as Ramza did.
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End of message. ~ Garsha

Lloyd in the top 20 is a pipe dream of epic proportion. Kratos is not a hero, and that you keep thinking/calling him such makes this argument over. I am 100% confident that Kratos will not beat Diablo. If you think otherwise, feel free to keep it in your bracket. I need all the help I can get.

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YoBlazer(33) & Robotnik pwned my (Ro)butt in Sp2k5

I agree Terra's the better upset...but between Kirby likely being weaker than Dante and Cecil placing higher than Terra in the poll posted earlier, one should consider both possible if one's gonna consider one possible.

Yes, I realize that poll isn't fully accurate, but it's worth a look regardless and worth considering.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

Worth considering like the Spring Contest upset poll, I guess...
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Hmm, I hate newbie fodder vs. newbie fodder matches (and SC2K4 was littered with them)

...The only SC2k4 match with two newbies was Frog/Liquid, neither of which are exactly fodder >_>
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The King of all Cosmos' route to summer victory:
Round 1: (4) Tidus... LET ME DREAM :

Aeris > Vincent > Dante

Correct?
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PSP trumps DS by more than 3x in sales. R.I.P. DS

Kirby/Ramza tells me all I need to know about Kirby/Cecil. Cecil would have to be significantly better than Ramza, and I just don't see it happening. though I wish it would.

I still don't see Terra being much stronger than Kefka, either. FF6 characters just aren't strong.

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...The only SC2k4 match with two newbies was Frog/Liquid, neither of which are exactly fodder >_>

My bad, I meant fodder vs. newbie fodder matches.
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SC2K5: Samus is going all the way!

Aeris > Vincent > Dante

Correct?

Depending on who you're asking, for me it's not.
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17 handhelds Nintendo has taken down 1 more to go (see quote for rest)

FF6 characters just aren't strong.

Why do people think this? Because Kefka choked? We've seen how much weaker a square villain can be from their hero (Sin, and possibly Kuja), so what's to say Terra/Celes/Locke/Shadow/Mog/WHOEVER won't be considerably stronger than Kefka?
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The King of all Cosmos' route to summer victory:
Round 1: (4) Tidus... LET ME DREAM :

Whats your interpetation of their strength, charmander?
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PSP trumps DS by more than 3x in sales. R.I.P. DS

Whats your interpetation of their strength, charmander?
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May 05 NPD Sales - PSP - 250k. DS - 81k.
PSP trumps DS by more than 3x in sales. R.I.P. DS

Why do people think this? Because Kefka choked? We've seen how much weaker a square villain can be from their hero (Sin, and possibly Kuja), so what's to say Terra/Celes/Locke/Shadow/Mog/WHOEVER won't be considerably stronger than Kefka?

in a game with no true main character, I'm taking a wait-and-see attitude before giving them the benefit of the doubt here. heck, you named five characters right there; that should be as good an indication as any as to FF6's problem with characters.

it's tough to say that Kefka choked after we've seen him in like four contests.

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FF6 characters just aren't strong.

Considering how much "support" Final Fantasy villains not named Sephiroth get, I'm not convinced it's FFVI characters who aren't strong. It's the 2nd strongest FF game, and I have a difficult time believing that there isn't ONE of them who's above mid-tier.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Terra is definitely stronger than Kefka, and is more popular than Kefka. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a little out of touch. She's just been unlucky with the nominations. A first-round match against Dante isn't doing her any favors, though she's still capable of putting up a fight in that match.

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My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

Looking at the bracket, it would have been awesome if Master Chief would have switched with Dante or Kirby (especially Kirby).
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

I'll throw it out there again: should Terra get a good picture (as in a picture that looks like her), she very well could take Dante down cleanly. The only time we've seen Kefka with a good picture, he was estimated to be just above Dante...and that was Angel Kefka, a pic at the VERY end of the game. It's been said that Cell-Lavos was the reason why Mother Brain kept so close, so that may still be something to consider on top of it.

I'm not saying this argument has no flaws though, as I still have Dante, but Terra has a great shot at the upset.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

http://fan.revivify.net/terra/images/fullshot.jpg

That isn't a bad picture of Terra at all. I'll see if I can find Amano art for her other than the one on the bio page, because I'm not really sure what it looks like.
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Light is but a farewell gift from the darkness to those on their way to die. ~The Boss
ZSB [aX]

I'm not saying Terra has no shot here. I'm saying that in comparison to FF6's popularity, its characters are weak. the only games in the x-stats above FF6 are FF7, Trigger, Zelda games and Mario 3; all noble nine characters. I'd say an FF6 character's absolute ceiling would be Squall, though I don't see anyone getting up that high. Vivi may be more realistic. (and would make a good match for Dante.)

I was thinking about Terra and a picture today - if she gets a 16-bit picture of her, she's got a real chance. if she gets a morphed picture, there's less of a chance, but she still might. if she gets some Amano art or something, she's absolutely dead.

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Aeris didn't even make the bracket, bahahaha!

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http://www.ffcompendium.com/chara/6-terra-a.jpg

There's her Amano art that isn't on the bio page. Yuck. About the only thing done by Amano that I do like from FFVI is Celes.
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Light is but a farewell gift from the darkness to those on their way to die. ~The Boss
ZSB [aX]

She looks like a teenage prostitute......
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Volgin is one sexy beast....

http://fan.revivify.net/terra/images/frontbright.jpg
http://fan.revivify.net/terra/images/fightingsketch.jpg
http://fan.revivify.net/terra/images/threequarter.jpg
http://fan.revivify.net/terra/images/blue.jpg

IF Terra gets a good picture? Terra's pictures kick ass.

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

http://fan.revivify.net/terra/images/blue.jpg

If she beats Dante, that had damn well better be the picture she gets. Unfortunately, she doesn't have much in the way of good full body stuff outside of the picture I posted and her sprite.
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Light is but a farewell gift from the darkness to those on their way to die. ~The Boss
ZSB [aX]

I'm not a fan of any of Terra's artwork or 3-D modeling. Give me my green-haired Terra. Okay thanx. CELES Amano art is another story entirely...
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Well, I thought Amano might have had a bad day with Kefka. Now, I think he's a ****tard. Yes, that starts with an F.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

http://webpost.net/ff/ff6terra/ff6-terra-cg.jpg

There's another good one.
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Light is but a farewell gift from the darkness to those on their way to die. ~The Boss
ZSB [aX]

I should mention: I don't entirely think that looks like Terra should (though it's up to interpretation), she does look hot for a game character. Heh.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

The only change Im really considering in my bracket is Terra over Dante.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

yeah, if I knew any of those were her match picture, I'd take Dante and not talk about this match again. it just doesn't look like Terra.

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Amano must have thought that Rydia was Kefka's mother or something.

http://www.ffcompendium.com/chara/4-rydia-a2.jpg

Some of Amano's FFIV and FFIX stuff isn't too bad, but they just don't look like the characters. Most of it is terrible. Here's his only good one, Celes.

http://www.ffcompendium.com/chara/6-celes-a.jpg
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Light is but a farewell gift from the darkness to those on their way to die. ~The Boss
ZSB [aX]

What is everyone expecting from Chun-Li against Bowser?

I'm expecting her to score no lower than 38%, but think she can finish around the KOS-MOS level. I'm still disheartened that she was put in a position where she has no shot >:(

I don't entirely think that looks like Terra should (though it's up to interpretation)

I think she looks recognizable enough, except for the lack of green hair. Celes is the one who I think looks nothing as she should based on the game.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

What do you people think about Zelda vs Solid Snake (Yes, I think Zelda will destroy Vivi.)?
Can Zelda win?
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Commander of The Link Army
Blades will bleed... Shields will shatter... and Link shall WIN... AGAIN!

If Ceej uses one of those atrocious Amano pictures for Terra, I'm going to do something crazy, like make a topic saying Squall will beat Magus.
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Light is but a farewell gift from the darkness to those on their way to die. ~The Boss
ZSB [aX]

Snake probably underperformed on Mega Man last year, and he still did better on him than Zelda. Snake wins fairly easily.
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Light is but a farewell gift from the darkness to those on their way to die. ~The Boss
ZSB [aX]

Then I'm all for Amano artwork for Terra. At least, unlike Kefka, hers looks somewhat like her.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

I was tempted to have Vivi over Solid for awhile, but now I've got Solid over Zelda and feeling confident enough to keep that for now.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

for some reason, I'm thinking Snake > Zelda > Vivi > Snake. I'm not sure why, it just seems like that could happen.

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I still think Snake will get a little help from MGS3. Nothing colossal, but noticeable nonetheless.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

I still think Snake will get a little help from MGS3. Nothing colossal, but noticeable nonetheless.

My reasoning for Solid over Tidus.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

Here is the one thing that is a bit sad. We lost all of the top characters to never make a contest. Thinking about it, there arent that many characters left that could make an impact that havent been in the contest now atleast once.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

It really depends on how you define "impact."
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Well, characters that people think COULD make an impact.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Yeah; Duck Hunt made an impact in the Spring Contest last year, and Master Hand made one this year.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

Master Hand made an impact just because Kuja was a horribly weak character. He was still fodder. Im sure we will find a whole new list of characters to rally behind, but this is the first time that the board isnt complaining about a character being snubbed who has never had the chance to participate.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

It's hard to think of anybody off the top of my head, other than maybe Laguna or Seifer. I'm still ticked Seifer didn't make the villains contest. He's not your typical FF villain, so I don't think he'd be uber-weak like the rest.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

If Terra does well Locke, Shadow, and Celes will immediately come to mind. Seifer could do well, even though I die a little on the inside if he gets in. Serge might be able to do well. I want to see one character from FE to make it in, if it is Lyndis or Roy or Marth.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

I think Seifer got stuck to that silly stipulation.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

I'd like to see Roy in sometime.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

That attitude made most of board 8 put Luigi over Squall and Yoshi over Bowser. Those polls show nothing except that about 6500 people like Vincent. For all we know the rest could hate him with all their guts.

I didn't show you one poll from GameFAQs which stated that. I showed you two polls asking the same fanbase a question on two different websites at two different times. If I had only found that GameFAQs poll I would have never brought it up. But the fact that the same exact poll was taken more recently with a far larger number of votes and laid out the same exact information suggests to me there is far more truth that you're giving credit.

Then again, you seem to be so convinced that Zelda would be better than Vincent that no matter what I said you wouldn't agree.

does anyone think that me putting squall to win his division is insane or just very risky

Not at all. Anyone who thinks it is insane clearly has no clue what they're talking about. It certainly isn't the "safe pick," but it isn't insane at all.

Bracket Suicide. :-)

Case and point.

About as insane as putting Auron over Ganondorf.

My God, you're on a roll today. Explain to me how it is insane to take Auron over Ganon? Despite the fact that the value you used is not necessarily the correct one.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

Wow, this topic is going fast. It's taken me a while, but I've finally caught up.

Someone in the last topic mentioned thinking Yuri was the guy from Command and Conquer: Red Alert. I thought the same thing when I first saw him, since he's the only video game Yuri I'd ever heard of, but then I checked the character bios page.

My upsets right now are Bowser > Snake and Vincent > Squall. Leonhart made a beautiful argument for Squall, which supports my argument. Several topics ago, I posted stats that I got from doing a least-squares regression on all of the past contest data combined with equations constraining the year-to-year variation of characters. My stats have Squall over Magus by a good 5% or so.
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For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to refer to Gordon Freeman versus Tanner as Schrodinger's Match. -Phoenix Flattener

I'm about as big of Squall fan as there is, and I'm not delusional enough to take him over Magus...

Delusional? The only people who believe so don't understand the fact that Magus's ranking is not set in stone.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

Back in 2004, I had Tails over Viewtiful Joe from Day 1 and never really understood why people thought he would be so popular.

I have the exact same feeling about tons of matches this year.


I think this is gonna be a really good contest for me.
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"Heh Heh... The wind... It is blowing..."--Ganondorf Dragmire

Snake probably underperformed on Mega Man last year,

Where does this come from? His performance against Mega Man last year fell in line perfectly with his completely lackluster run as a whole.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

I'm very cautious about Magus...very cautious...but I've got him winning his division. Squall and Vincent both have a shot at it too (especially Vincent due to us not really having a ceiling for him, despite me think he won't be stronger than Magus), but I'm gonna stick with Magus.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

Back in 2004, I had Tails over Viewtiful Joe from Day 1 and never really understood why people thought he would be so popular.

As did I. Never bought VJ gettin' 45% on Alucard.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

that entire division is scary; I'm beginning to think it's at least as bad as the Dream division. Vincent, Squall or Magus could take it and I wouldn't be surprised. Terra/Dante is scary, too.
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And just for the hell of it, even though it diminishes my chances of winning slightly, I'm going to repost my aforementioned stats. Feel free to use them like the Bible or to flame them to hell for their inaccuracies.

Those stats I just deleted were out of date. Current ones coming up...
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For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to refer to Gordon Freeman versus Tanner as Schrodinger's Match. -Phoenix Flattener

Ah, no wonder. Magus was ahead of Squall for both 2K3 and 2K4. :P

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"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

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JCDenton2k4 0.324962
IoriYagami2k2 0.322522
RyoHazuki2k4 0.317961
KazuyaMishima2k2 0.317784
Raiden2k3 0.316927
KyoKusanagi2k2 0.316436
ParappaTheRapper2k2 0.311837
Albedo2k5 0.309195
TomNook2k3 0.304476
GuybrushThreepwood2k4 0.302051
MasterHand2k5 0.299131
GabeLogan2k2 0.298575
PyramidHead2k5 0.295456
AiAi2k3 0.288822
Wesker2k5 0.287053
Ulala2k2 0.283088
ChopChopMasterOnion2k2 0.275028
Ratchet2k3 0.272788
Kuja2k5 0.268548
Ratchet2k4 0.268352
Giygas2k5 0.266618
AkiraYuki2k2 0.260396
Abe2k2 0.252687
OfficerTenpenny2k5 0.24774
CaptainOlimar2k3 0.239935
MrResetti2k3 0.237461
Goemon2k2 0.231547
LucaBlight2k4 0.223541
LucaBlight2k5 0.2186
SeriousSam2k2 0.19544
Kane2k2 0.191063
MsPacMan2k2 0.185615
GuybrushThreepwood2k2 0.175441
DirkTheDaring2k2 0.166588
MrDriller2k2 0.145798
Tanner2k4 0.104657"
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For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to refer to Gordon Freeman versus Tanner as Schrodinger's Match. -Phoenix Flattener

You cannot deny this out of context evidence!

Sonic the Hedgehog 42.49% 35897
Samus Aran 57.51% 48589
TOTAL VOTES 84486

Squall Leonhart 41.8% 47103
Samus Aran 58.2% 65582
TOTAL VOTES 112685
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

You know what.

**** it. I'm taking Mario to beat Crono. It just seems right to me. I mean Nintendo was never close to Square in those Favorite Company polls, but then five or so months ago Nintendo wins one. Fanbases here have changed.

Whenever people talk about black characters how come no one mentions Serious Sam? He was black.

CJ will probably suffer due to people in general being racist without any help from GameFAQS. I still think he should be able to beat Ness though.
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"Heh Heh... The wind... It is blowing..."--Ganondorf Dragmire

Ah, no wonder. Magus was ahead of Squall for both 2K3 and 2K4. :P

The 2004 ranking hardly means anything when Magus was simply adjusted up to his 2003 level.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

Wow, look at everyone jump on Mario's flaming bandwagon. I seriously see only two winners here. Samus and Crono (If Mario does beat Samus).
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Moltar's Comics - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar (GAC)
SC2K5: Samus is going all the way!

HM, I meant that in Aprosenf's previous rankings Magus was ahead of Squall both times...

Now, I can't trust those rankings (at least as far as Magus goes) because Tidus 2K3 and Ganondorf 2K3 are far above Magus 2K3. We'll see what happens, though...

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

**** it. I'm taking Mario to beat Crono. It just seems right to me. I mean Nintendo was never close to Square in those Favorite Company polls, but then five or so months ago Nintendo wins one. Fanbases here have changed.

I was beginning to think that last year...and of the Big Three for Nintendo, look who jumped the most. Samus.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

But the fact that the same exact poll was taken more recently with a far larger number of votes and laid out the same exact information suggests to me there is far more truth that you're giving credit.

But the poll was a on a different web site.
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"Heh Heh... The wind... It is blowing..."--Ganondorf Dragmire

I didn't show you one poll from GameFAQs which stated that. I showed you two polls asking the same fanbase a question on two different websites at two different times. If I had only found that GameFAQs poll I would have never brought it up. But the fact that the same exact poll was taken more recently with a far larger number of votes and laid out the same exact information suggests to me there is far more truth that you're giving credit.

Again don't fully believe those polls, what if the only options were Vincent, Aeris and Tifa, I'm 100% that the results you'll get will be different (maybe not since many people liked both Aeris and Tifa about the same)

Then again, you seem to be so convinced that Zelda would be better than Vincent that no matter what I said you wouldn't agree.

I must keep myself believing that Dante should be able to beat Vincent, but I wouldn't be surprised if he did some how beat Dante. I just don't see him beating Magus (the highest I would put him is on Aeris level.)

My God, you're on a roll today. Explain to me how it is insane to take Auron over Ganon? Despite the fact that the value you used is not necessarily the correct one.

I didn't say that Auron over Ganondorf would be insane and that it would destroy your bracket. By going by stats we have Ganondorf winning by 53% and Magus winning by 54.50%, not that much different and plus Square voters could be incline to vote for Final Fantasy then Chrono Trigger. How am I not using the correct value? using Cloud 2k3=2k4 these are my SFF changes for Ganondorf and Auron that should be made. 2k3 Ganondorf = 2k4 Ganondorf and what Auron/Tails got in 2k3 would be the same as 2k4 (using 2k4 Tails). There is no other possible way that they could be ranked differently unless you use 2k3 Mario = 2k4 Mario, which wouldn't be much different.

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17 handhelds Nintendo has taken down 1 more to go (see quote for rest)

But the poll was a on a different web site.

Yes, and it asked the same exact question polling the same exact fanbase. I'm not saying that either of these polls are providing the absolute truth on how those three would rank. Obviously, there's going to be more to it than that. However, to simply disregard them would be equally as stupid. Both of those polls have nothing insane or ridiculous like the Mario, Sonic, or FFX polls.

Two polls, three years apart, polling the same fanbase, two different websites. When the GameFAQs voters voted one way and then the people from FFOnline voted the same way, I find it hard for someone to just throw away, especially in favor of absolutely nothing. I still do not see how people could still be under the idea that Vincent being optional hurt him in a noticeable way or that people do not care about him.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

Where does this come from? His performance against Mega Man last year fell in line perfectly with his completely lackluster run as a whole.

Okay, let's take a look at all of Snake's matches. First match: Tanner. Saying he had a lackluster performance there is simply crazy. Next match: Knuckles, for the third time. There could have been a heavy case of "I know Snake's going to win again so I'm just voting Knuckles for the hell of it." Next match: Frog. He happened to have the worst match picture ever created at the time. Next match: Mega Man, who's sole duty seems to be to screw up the stats as much as possible. I call underperformance. I don't buy Snake being nearly even with Ryu a year after comfortably beating him.
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Light is but a farewell gift from the darkness to those on their way to die. ~The Boss
ZSB [aX]

Next match: Knuckles, for the third time. There could have been a heavy case of "I know Snake's going to win again so I'm just voting Knuckles"

You could point to Mario/Crono III as evidence for people voting the other way just because they're sick of the matchup.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

Two polls, three years apart, polling the same fanbase, two different websites. When the GameFAQs voters voted one way and then the people from FFOnline voted the same way, I find it hard for someone to just throw away, especially in favor of absolutely nothing. I still do not see how people could still be under the idea that Vincent being optional hurt him in a noticeable way or that people do not care about him.

So what if you found another web site. People on GameFAQs like different characters then regular sites, if it did Mario would've won every single summer contest so far. I have a question for you. What if both sites had the poll and Vincent beat out Cloud, Sephiroth, Aeris, Tifa ect. would you be ranting that he could take this whole contest with Clinkeroth out?
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17 handhelds Nintendo has taken down 1 more to go (see quote for rest)

Again don't fully believe those polls, what if the only options were Vincent, Aeris and Tifa, I'm 100% that the results you'll get will be different (maybe not since many people liked both Aeris and Tifa about the same)

I never said or asked you to believe those polls with 100% backing. I don't even believe those polls that much. What I did try to do is get people like yourself to realize that Vincent is liked by the fanbase. If he ends up ranking below Aeris and Tifa this year, it isn't like it would be by large amounts. In fact, it should be very small. But I have always expected him to be higher.

I must keep myself believing that Dante should be able to beat Vincent, but I wouldn't be surprised if he did some how beat Dante. I just don't see him beating Magus (the highest I would put him is on Aeris level.)

He's fully capable of beating Magus, Dante, and everyone in that division. It isn't as though you can set his ceiling at Aeris and be done with it, especially given the fact that there's nothing to suggest he cannot be higher. I suppose you can personally believe that, but I have no idea where you're getting that his ceiling is Aeris. There hasn't been anything to suggest she's more liked.

I didn't say that Auron over Ganondorf would be insane and that it would destroy your bracket.

"About as insane as putting Auron over Ganondorf."

You didn't say it would destroy a person's bracket, but you clearly called it insane. Unless, of course, you believe Squall can beat Magus. If so, high five!

How am I not using the correct value?

Did you use 2003 Link? Because according to what RPGuy had at one time, Auron ended up with around 34% on him at the highest.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

Regarding Vincent, I would still take those popularity polls with a grain of salt. I can see them helping get a character in, with the major fans obviously more inclined to nominating them. As well, I can see them as a look at the general views of the fanbase. A character with only 1% of support as a favourite character would be less likely to do well than someone with 20%, but that doesn't guarantee success. After all, that 20% character may have a large hating group. So yes, those polls look good for Vinny, but it's in no way a guarantee of success.
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It's gender-confused fun in Godlike, as Altima duels Kuja at www.rpgdl.com!

So what if you found another web site. People on GameFAQs like different characters then regular sites, if it did Mario would've won every single summer contest so far. I have a question for you. What if both sites had the poll and Vincent beat out Cloud, Sephiroth, Aeris, Tifa ect. would you be ranting that he could take this whole contest with Clinkeroth out?

That's far more ridiculous than the claims HM's been making. Vincent > Tifa > Aeris is far more believable than Vincent > the rest, and that's nothing more than heavy exaggeration on your part. Now, I think Tifa > Aeris > Vincent, but HM does have a good case on his hands, since polls here involving FF tend to be more accurate than the "who's you're favorite Mario character" polls, for whatever reason.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

Okay, let's take a look at all of Snake's matches. First match: Tanner. Saying he had a lackluster performance there is simply crazy.

It isn't very impressive once you know that he's the weakest character to ever enter a contest. But for the time, it was rather impressive. This was about the only match where he did so.

Next match: Knuckles, for the third time. There could have been a heavy case of "I know Snake's going to win again so I'm just voting Knuckles for the hell of it."

You'll have to excuse me if I don't believe that for a second. His other matches seem to suggest that there was no "I'm just going to give my vote to Knuckles because Snake always wins." There was a noticeable increase in Knuckles performance. So much so that I have no idea why you would believe it was that.

Next match: Frog. He happened to have the worst match picture ever created at the time.

Guess what? He got the same exact picture against Ryu the previous year and he performed to expectations.

Next match: Mega Man, who's sole duty seems to be to screw up the stats as much as possible. I call underperformance. I don't buy Snake being nearly even with Ryu a year after comfortably beating him.

You call the underperformance on this match despite how his other performances seemed to suggest that he had fallen? That doesn't make any sense. Snake, or MGS characters in general, falling or being unimpressive is nothing new. Each one that enters the contest tends to finish with a very weak placing.

Next match: Knuckles, for the third time. There could have been a heavy case of "I know Snake's going to win again so I'm just voting Knuckles"

You could point to Mario/Crono III as evidence for people voting the other way just because they're sick of the matchup.

This might be true if it were the only match in which Crono did better. But he showed signs of being higher than usual in his matches with other people, which includes Mario and definitely the increased Link.

So what if you found another web site. People on GameFAQs like different characters then regular sites, if it did Mario would've won every single summer contest so far.

This wasn't just any other site like GameSpy or GameSpot or whatever. This was a poll found on FFOnline, which undoubtedly features a large number of FF fans. GameFAQs is comprised of these very same fans who enjoy all things Final Fantasy, at least as far as VII is concerned. This isn't like comparing GameFAQs to IGN or whatever other mainstream website that has completely different tastes.

And they "like different characters"? Then why was it that, more or less, they nailed the Top 5? The fact that they fell in line was something I found interesting and felt the need to point out. I wasn't saying that it is the absolute truth now that Vincent cannot and will not rank below Aeris or Tifa. And yes I will continue to say this until people stop thinking I'm trying to say these polls are accurate with no fault whatsoever.

What if both sites had the poll and Vincent beat out Cloud, Sephiroth, Aeris, Tifa ect. would you be ranting that he could take this whole contest with Clinkeroth out?

The problem with that is that suddenly there's an issue with the polls. Both of them would contradict each other, it would fall under all the other polls of the "favorite" getting the most votes, etc. However, nothing insane like that was present. Making the polls that much more interesting to at least consider. That's all I'm asking and I'm not getting it, at least from you. But you aren't the only one, I know.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

RAET MY OPINIONS.

- 2003 was Square's strongest year, due in part to HIGH vote totals.
- Cloud > Sephiroth in 2002.
- Mario got anti-voted after beating Cloud/Crono in 2002, and Crono in 2003.
- Mario VS. Crono 4 (If it happens, which it should, damn it) will be closer than MvC3 was last year.
- Vercetti >= CJ > DK > Ness
- Vincent is being overestimated.
- Snake is being underestimated.
- This is Mario's best chance yet to win the contest.
- Vote Mario.

>_>
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Yoblazer did rather well in the guru contest.
Rather well, indeed.

- 2003 was Square's strongest year, due in part to HIGH vote totals.
That would make sense for the new-gen square characters, but Crono, Kefka and Frog did better in 2k4.
- Cloud > Sephiroth in 2002.
Wouldn't really surprise me.
- Mario got anti-voted after beating Cloud/Crono in 2002, and Crono in 2003.
Again, wouldn't surprise me if people anti-voted out of revenge.
- Mario VS. Crono 4 (If it happens, which it should, damn it) will be closer than MvC3 was last year.
Dunno about that one.
- Vercetti >= CJ > DK > Ness
I'm not entirely sure about Vercetti > CJ.
- Vincent is being overestimated.
By some, yes. He won't be winning his division, that's for sure.
- Snake is being underestimated.
Probably. The only person who could potentially upset him is Bowser and that's not exactly likely.
- This is Mario's best chance yet to win the contest.
Not while Crono still lives.
- Vote Mario.
Maybe if he's up against someone I like less >_>
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The King of all Cosmos' route to summer victory:
Round 1: (4) Tidus... LET ME DREAM :

- 2003 was Square's strongest year, due in part to HIGH vote totals. - yes
- Cloud > Sephiroth in 2002. - yes
- Mario got anti-voted after beating Cloud/Crono in 2002, and Crono in 2003. - definitely
- Mario VS. Crono 4 (If it happens, which it should, damn it) will be closer than MvC3 was last year. - definitely
- Vercetti >= CJ > DK > Ness - i'd put CJ ahead of Tommy
- Vincent is being overestimated. - yes
- Snake is being underestimated. - yes
- This is Mario's best chance yet to win the contest. - yes
- Vote Mario. - i will

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Nominate Cecil from Final Fantasy IV for the summer contest

- 2003 was Square's strongest year, due in part to HIGH vote totals. - true
- Cloud > Sephiroth in 2002. - most likely true
- Mario got anti-voted after beating Cloud/Crono in 2002, and Crono in 2003. - yes
- Mario VS. Crono 4 (If it happens, which it should, damn it) will be closer than MvC3 was last year. - most likely not
- Vercetti >= CJ > DK > Ness - yes
- Vincent is being overestimated. - yes
- Snake is being underestimated. - slightly
- This is Mario's best chance yet to win the contest. - nope
- Vote Mario. - NEVER!!!

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Posts without a sig looks ugly, so I guess I need something here.

Okay, so you may be wondering how the heck I'm going to make pseudo-odds out of the BOP given the ToC (but most probably not). Technically it's pseudo, because it doesn't quite follow CN's formula: those odds are merely there for comparison purposes, no one's taking actual bets for money or anything.

So what I'm going to do is, I'll make TWO sets of odds. One for the regular tournament, you know the drill, everything's fine, and another one for the ToC. That's where the fun begins. Rather than using the actual point value of 8 for ToC matches, I'll use a point value of 64 for the semis and 128 for the finals; these fall in line with Clinkeroth's six-round bye. I'll then assume every single bracket picked Clinkeroth to win nonexistent matches in the first six rounds, to better reflect the fact that they have superior odds from the start, having to do less matches. (Off-topic: A year where either Link or Cloud won't win a single match. Wow.) Then I add the 64s and the 128s as needed, and I get a number for each character that I'll call the Odds Calculation Factor, or OCF for short. As of now, among those who are in the regular bracket, only Samus would have an OCF different from the point value of the regular bracket, since two people have her beating Sephiroth, vs. none for Crono and co. (This is going to change though, since someone in the queue has a Cloud/Mario final.) Now, remember what I said about dividing the point value/OCF by the maximum possible for a given character (which is the difference between my formula and CN's)? It was 31 * number of brackets this spring, 63 * number of brackets in the other contests... this time it's 255 * number of brackets. (If I were using CN's formula it'd go into four-digit land, since I'd have to assume a 256-character tournament, for the record.) Which gives Link ungodly high odds, Sephiroth and Cloud somewhat lower ones, Samus ridiculously low ones, and the others virtually nonexistent ones, which makes sense given only one of them makes it to the ToC.

You understood nothing? Good.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

Wow. I perfectly understood that. Sweet.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

Off-topic: A year where either Link or Cloud won't win a single match. Wow.)

Don't forget, Sephiroth won't win a single match either.

Sephiroth already won five, and it'd be a shocker if he lost to Samus, or especially Crono.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

Lemme ask this; who do you have as the ultimate loser in YOUR bracket (so help me God if somebody says Link or Cloud, heh)? I've got KOS-MOS for mine.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

o_o

What does that mean?
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Yoblazer did rather well in the guru contest.
Rather well, indeed.

The Ultimate Loser is defined as the character, who by virtue of losing to the character who lost to the character who lost to the character... etc, who lost to the Champion, would finish 64th in the standings if the first tiebreaker was opponent's record.
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It's gender-confused fun in Godlike, as Altima duels Kuja at www.rpgdl.com!

My Ultimate loser is Pac-Man.
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The King of all Cosmos' route to summer victory:
Round 1: (4) Tidus... LET ME DREAM :

Agent 47
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Shut up, make me a sandwich. That is all.

My ultimate loser? Hm...KOS-MOS, as well. I'm surprised someone as popular as her could end up like that.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

King of All Cosmos for me I think
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Sir Chris, Chief of Police at Board 8
Board 8: Where yoblazer is king of gurus.

My ultimate loser is Diablo, who loses to Kratos, who loses to Sonic, who loses to Luigi, who loses to Yoshi, who loses to Master Chief, who loses to Samus, who loses to Sephiroth (who beats Cloud, but let's not get technical here).
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Board 8's Best Female Summer Contest Guru

My ultimate loser is Pac-Man. Loses to Ocelot, who loses to Yoshi, who loses to Mega Man, who loses to Crono, who loses to Mario. That is subject to change though.
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

Ultimate Loser = Character who loses in Round 1 to a character who loses in Round 2 to a character who loses in Round 3, and etc. till teh end.
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Trainer: Clinkeroth, do mega fanboy attack!
Clinkeroth: CLINKEROTH! ~Pibb of Truth

And my Ultimate Loser, is also KOS-MOS
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Trainer: Clinkeroth, do mega fanboy attack!
Clinkeroth: CLINKEROTH! ~Pibb of Truth

KOS-MOS < Luigi < Tifa < Sonic < Mega Man < Crono < Samus
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Moltar's Comics - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar (GAC)
SC2K5: Samus is going all the way!

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

My ultimate loser is Pac-Man.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

Alucard v Sora

Who ya got?
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Summer Contest 2005 Winner: Mario
Mario will SFF Samus, and pull it out against Crono.

In my favorites bracket, my ultimate loser is Wesker.
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It's just not the same without this name.
Faithful supporter of Squall Leonhart in SC2K5

Oh, I meant who loses to Mega Man who loses to Sonic who loses to Crono.
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

Kratos.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Ulti, either you have lied about Mario > Crono in your bracket or you have Tifa > Sonic...or something COMPLETELY off-the-wall.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

Also Kratos.
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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO "CATS" Cats

"About as insane as putting Auron over Ganondorf."

You didn't say it would destroy a person's bracket, but you clearly called it insane. Unless, of course, you believe Squall can beat Magus. If so, high five!

Bingo!

Did you use 2003 Link? Because according to what RPGuy had at one time, Auron ended up with around 34% on him at the highest.

??? 2k3 Link = 2k4 ?
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17 handhelds Nintendo has taken down 1 more to go (see quote for rest)

In the BOP topic, Ulti said to change his winner to Crono, so...
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It's just not the same without this name.
Faithful supporter of Squall Leonhart in SC2K5

KOS-MOS is my biggest loser.

Welcome to the ranks of Gordon Freeman, Ryo, River City Ransom, Viewtiful Joe and Luca Blight.
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17 handhelds Nintendo has taken down 1 more to go (see quote for rest)

Ah, the change-up. I'm surprised I didn't even consider that. shame on me.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

My zero bracket has Chun-Li winning...

C'mon, you all KNOW that's the way it should be. -_-
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I can move mountains

Oh, and Kratos is my ultimate loser...
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I can move mountains

I'll say this: The only match in this bracket that's really still giving me trouble is Sora/Alucard. I'm confident enough in the rest of my picks to stick with them.
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It's just not the same without this name.
Faithful supporter of Squall Leonhart in SC2K5

...The ultimate loser in my zero bracket is Squall Leonhart >_>
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SpC2k5 FINAL SCORE: 72/80
*is Janus5000*

My opinion of Alucard/Sora is this; Sora would beat Tails worse than Alucard did. 2k2's old data though...but I also think Sora would do better against Kirby than Alucard did, and I don't think Alucard would have matched Sora's performance against Samus. It should still be close and able to go either way though.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

Alucard's stronger than he was in 2002 though. That's almost a certainty, considering we know Kirby's well above Tails.
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It's just not the same without this name.
Faithful supporter of Squall Leonhart in SC2K5

And of course, my theory is that Ganondorf is a little weaker than what we adjusted him at, and that kind of carries over to Alucard.
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

That's almost a certainty, considering we know Kirby's well above Tails.

I blame that more on Kirby gaining from 2k2 than anything; Lord knows he's not weaker than Jill anymore. Regardless, there's still several examples to consider...I just don't think Alucard will pull it out when comparing how the other would match up to their opponents.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

I have now locked my bracket down, and I think if there is one match that can bite us in the ass, it's Dante/Terra. Don't be surprised if somehow Magus doesn't take his division, either.

I'm goin' to bed...but before I do, I'm gonna take a second and say that today now marks the 4th year I have gone without a soda. I think I'm gonna quit this lil' streak of mine though and get a Sprite about as soon as I can, heh.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

Screw Sprite. Dr. Pepper all the way.

Glad to see someone from the south not calling it "pop", by the way. Pop is such an unbelievably stupid word to use as a noun.

By the way, yeah, I switched to having Crono as my winner. As much as I want to see Mario win this contest (god dammit, he deserves to), I can't see Mario making up the ground without having done anything this past year.

However, I still have Mario beating Samus. It just feels so damned wrong putting Samus to beat him.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

I thought "pop" was a northern thing. I didn't even know it was still used until I heard my friend from Cincinnatti heard it. It sounds so unbelievably stupid! I'm not a big soda drinker myself. I was an athlete and sodas made me get cramps. Juices for me. I may drink the occasional Fanta Orange, Grape, or Pineapple. But that's about it. I hate cola. The only time you can catch me with a Coke is if I'm using it to chase a shot of Hennessy or Crown Royal. <_<
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

You know there are two characters named Kratos in the bracket and no one is signifying which one they're talking about. ;_;

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"Back in 2004, I had Tails over Viewtiful Joe from Day 1 and never really understood why people thought he would be so popular."

Actually, I had VJ pegged within 1%, it was Tail who I underestimated. Wasn't unil the contest had started that I began to realize that Auron was SFF'd by Cloud.
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!

My ultimate loser is KOS, and I like the balls Ulti is showing by going with Crono. If I didn't have enough upsets to make me cry myself to sleep already I'd go with Crono too... but then I did swear I'd never choose him for champ again after 2002.
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!

Mario will win.
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Yoblazer did rather well in the guru contest.
Rather well, indeed.

here in new york, everyone says pop. it's annoying.

my ultimate loser is also KOS-MOS, but I've been spending my day debating Samus-Crono in my head, and I'm just not getting anywhere.

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O_o

Pop isn't that stupid. That's the sound it makes when you open up a can or bottle.

Pop!
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Yoblazer did rather well in the guru contest.
Rather well, indeed.

.....no.

by the way: http://popvssoda.com

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My ultimate loser is Luigi ^^

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As much as I want to put something original about the Guru Contest here, I can't, because Yoblazer owned me way too hard.

The word pop being used for it really isn't that stupid. I think soda sounds just as bad. Someone should think of a new word for it or something.
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Anyone taking Kirby over Tee-dus?
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I must be in the vast minority in having KOS-MOS beating Luigi. I've seen a grand total of one person who also has that upset pick so far. I figured at least a few more people would have this upset, considering it's actually quite possible.
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Anyone taking Kirby over Tee-dus?

I am. The sheer amount of upsets in my bracket is ridiculous.
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I'm taking KOS-MOS over Luigi too, because almost no-one has it.
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As much as I want to put something original about the Guru Contest here, I can't, because Yoblazer owned me way too hard.

I've got Luigi for two reasons:

1.) KOS-MOS is a minor character in XS2, which sold half the copies of XS1;
2.) it never came out in Europe.

as for Kirby-Tidus, I'm scared of this match. Tidus is just too weird, and a lot of people seem to like Kirby.

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- 2003 was Square's strongest year, due in part to HIGH vote totals.
Yep
- Cloud > Sephiroth in 2002.
Yep
- Mario got anti-voted after beating Cloud/Crono in 2002, and Crono in 2003.
Possibly
- Mario VS. Crono 4 (If it happens, which it should, damn it) will be closer than MvC3 was last year.
Should be
- Vercetti >= CJ > DK > Ness
Just about
- Vincent is being overestimated.
- Snake is being underestimated.
Definitely
- This is Mario's best chance yet to win the contest.
Yes
- Vote Mario.
Will be doing.

Ultimate loser is Cecil.

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*has GoW Kratos as ultimate loser*
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BTW is it possible for Sonic to get some strength boost if he beats Megaman and faces Crono when Mario will wait for the winner that match. I mean doesn't almost everyone want to see a Mario VS Sonic match and how many wants Crono VS Mario to happen again?


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My biggest predictions: Mario over Samus, Alucard over Sora, Magus over Dante.

There's room in there none of that to happen. I wouldn't expect any sort of boost for Sonic, or anyone else, based upon that.

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- 2003 was Square's strongest year, due in part to HIGH vote totals.

For New-School Square, yes. I'm so happy people are finally accepting this. I've been saying it for almost a year no.

Cloud > Sephiroth in 2002.

Maybe. I could see it going both ways. It would have been very close though.

- Mario got anti-voted after beating Cloud/Crono in 2002, and Crono in 2003.

Nope. Mario did get SFF'D by Link though, but Link increased in 2003, so everything cancelled each other. I think Mario may have actually gotten anti-voted in both Mario Vs. Crono's just because he's Mario and not the match's after. I've tried to put some numbers together but the Crono cheater in 2002 makes things difficult

Mario VS. Crono 4 (If it happens, which it should, damn it) will be closer than MvC3 was last year.

Yes. Mario has had enough buffer games to keep his popularity constant, while Crono has had no new games and no new poll placements, which means he should have a slight drop in popularity.

- Vercetti >= CJ > DK > Ness

Yep.

- Vincent is being overestimated.

In general yes. Although there is no way in hell he is losing to Kerrigan, I'm still not convinced he can beat Dante/Terra, and I'm almost positive he won't be beating Magus.

- Snake is being underestimated.

Yep. I really can't see Bowser beating him.

- This is Mario's best chance yet to win the contest.

Yep. He'll probably come out in the Top 3 Stats-Wise.

- Vote Mario.

As long as he's not facing Link, Kefka, Ganondorf, or Luigi, sure.


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I used to call 'em cokes...but when I'd tell people I didn't have a coke for so long, they'd ask me if I had any Pepsi's or Mountain Dew's, heh. I finally converted myself to a soda-word man to skip the confusion.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

Something about Crono/Magus II I just remembered... nothing forces us to use 2003 Magus again for adjustments. Last time we could only have Luca Blight, who was a rookie, but this year we're having Knuckles, Squall, and Dante we can extrapolate from. So yeah, if Magus increased/decreased in the last two years, this time we'll know it.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

I'd only recommend Knuckles though; with Squall and Dante-through-Vincent, there's a shot of some (r)SFF that could make it vary...plus, Dante will likely gain some from DMC3; adjusting by his 2k4 value, while not entirely accurate, likely wouldn't be AS accurate as going by Knuckles.

I say this knowing Knuckles was in the damnedest division last year.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

*entirely INaccurate, I should say.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

Hmm. I doubt Magus would SFF Squall, but whatever.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

I keep hearing this over and over, and haven't found it explained anywhere...so pardon my n00bness - but what does SSF stand for? I keep hearing you guys say "So and So SSF'd So and So" - I am so lost right now.

Go Crono! :-)

Same Sanbase Factor.

GO MAGUS!!! THRASH THAT STUPID MUTE!!!! IT'S REVENGE TIME!!!!
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

I was looking into the bracket, and for some reason, I got stuck on the Riku Vs. Frog match. Although we all know how well Frog did last Summer, could Riku be a force? For some reason something tells me this can be a match that could break many brackets....
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nevermind, I thought for a moment that Sora was way higher from Frog. Also, having in mind that Frog wouldn't do as well as last year, made me think about it for a second. Next time I should review the X-sts before droping such a conclusion. I apologize for the stupid comment.
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I guess it's a good thing I missed that post ;) I'm unforgiving in that kind of things.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

SFF, SSF, meh, you knew what I meant. Thanks Sor the Sast reply :-)

Damn, I'm still having headaches over Link/Cloud. A convincing case can be made for each of them.

Link

Exhibit A: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1910

Despite many polls in the past which had Square quite a ways ahead of Nintendo, Nintendo won that one. It shows me that the voting population here is becoming more pro-Nintendo.

Exhibit B: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2019

Sephiroth underperforming this badly shows is an increasing anti-FFVII bias across the site. It could be simply anti-Sephiroth due to the "He's going to win anyway so I'm voting against him for the hell of it" factor that I believe Ulti coined, but there is also a very good chance that it could carry over to the rest of FFVII as well.

Exhibit C: Twilight Princess

This will definitely be the biggest game on the Gamecube, and probably the biggest game this generation. Hell, it could pass OoT in sales figures. Ask anbody what their most anticipated game is, and well over half will tell you that it's Twiligh Princess. Hype may not normally mean much, but this is a whole different breed of hype.

Exhibit D: The Mario Effect

This has never been mentioned before to my knowledge, but I think it's worth mentioning. Cloud may very well suffer from the recent whoring out of his series and pick up more anti-votes, which is very similar to what Mario has to deal with.

Cloud

Exhibit A: Advent Children

It's set to be released right in the middle of the contest. The effect of the movie could be a debate that could fill an entire stats topic, but the fact remains that although it likely won't bring in many new fans of Cloud into the voting population due to a lack of appeal outside of FFVII fans without a large marketing campaign (which seems to be nonexistent at this time), it could very well change the minds of enough Link fans to give Cloud the boost he needs.

Exhibit B: No time to pick up anti-votes

Cloud and Link are almost exact opposites contest-wise. Link tends to be at his strongest late in the contest, while Cloud tends to be at his strongest early on. This time, it's right in the beginning, and Cloud won't have time to pick up anti-votes like he has in the past. This very well could be the deciding factor.

Exhibit C: Anti-Champion votes

Link was probably the beneficiary of quite a lot of anti-champion votes in the last contest, and although he would have won without them, they provided him with a cushion. This could help Cloud in this contest. Be very careful when considering this factor; Anti-Champ votes could hurt Cloud here due to Sephiroth's win in the Spring.

I've switched 4 times so far, and I probably will again.
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Up until the past week, I've been saying that Link would beat Cloud. Then, just days before the bracket was released, I've switched to Cloud. It'll definitely be close, either way; most likely closer than either of their last two match-ups.
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Then it's ought to be good... their previous encounters weren't exactly blowouts.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

Yep; here's to hopin' it's 51-49 or closer this time.


I just got to thinkin' before I head to work...who would you take head-to-head: Liquid Snake or Diablo?
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
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Diablo
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Shut up, make me a sandwich. That is all.

Liquid, because I half-believe his match with Seph was a bit screwy.
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A Liquid/Diablo match would have baffled me, since last year Liquid was expected to get more on Link than Diablo was expected to get against Sephiroth this Spring...using adjusted stats (and I think we know those aren't the most accurate stats around). In the unadjusted stats, Liquid would be expected to beat him if he had last year's strength and lose to him if he had this spring's strength, and both were controversial.

With that, I'm off to work.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

Liquid. Easily.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

Hmm. I doubt Magus would SFF Squall, but whatever.

Of course. He can't SFF Squall when he's losing silly.

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But he's going to win, so all is well.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

Despite many polls in the past which had Square quite a ways ahead of Nintendo, Nintendo won that one. It shows me that the voting population here is becoming more pro-Nintendo.

Square and Nintendo have always remained the two dominant forces at GameFAQs. Even during Square's "winning" in polls, Nintendo wasn't a slouch at all with its strength. Even if Cloud won in 2003, it wasn't as though Nintendo didn't put up good performances.

I wouldn't say there has been a shift that is really worth noting. The amount Nintendo is actually ahead of Square is marginal to begin with. Should a similar poll be held again, it wouldn't surprise me if Square actually took it by a small margin.

Sephiroth underperforming this badly shows is an increasing anti-FFVII bias across the site.

What? Where is this idea being gathered from? Cloud and Sephiroth are not joined at the hip. What one does will not always effect the other. In 2004, we clearly saw Cloud remaining constant while Sephiroth took a dip. You'll notice that it was Sephiroth who dropped from 2003 to 2004 and not Cloud.

You're free to criticize Sephiroth, but there is nothing to suggest there is an "anti-FFVII bias" circulating around the site. Just last year we saw Final Fantasy VII easily win the "Best Game Ever" contest.

Hype may not normally mean much, but this is a whole different breed of hype.

At the moment, hype for this game still has not reached the levels of Halo 2. It's true we're on a site that is already Zelda dominated, but I wouldn't expect much from hype. Hell, I wouldn't even say that was the reason for his increase last year -- although it obviously played a role.

This has never been mentioned before to my knowledge, but I think it's worth mentioning. Cloud may very well suffer from the recent whoring out of his series and pick up more anti-votes, which is very similar to what Mario has to deal with.

I have never seen a case where someone got a new game or multiple new games and then was anti-voted based upon that. The only people who would do such a thing now are the people from the board who already didn't care much for him. Cloud appears prominently in one of the FFVII spinoffs -- Advent Children. There's little information on the others, minus Dirge of Cerberus, which focuses around Vincent.

without a large marketing campaign (which seems to be nonexistent at this time), it could very well change the minds of enough Link fans to give Cloud the boost he needs.

Square Enix recently stated that the marketing campaign for Advent Children would span across magazines, posters, television ads, and would start toward the end of July. There isn't any advertising at the moment, but the entire month of August through its release is dedicated to getting people aware of it.

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About the "Ultimate Loser":

KOS-MOS < Luigi < Tifa < Sonic < Mega Man < Crono < Samus

I'm not sure if it counts, but Samus does lose to Sephiroth, who loses to Link in my braket as well. :-)


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Pfft. Whatever, HM. I haven't listened to you since you convinced me that Ridley would beat Diablo.
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...Okay.

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About Liquid vs Diablo..

Liquid. No doubt.
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When I look at my bracket, and what the BOP has, it seems like we match. Having a cookie cutter seems strange, but I've had all Tuesday and yesterday to completely look it over and think about it.
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I really also thought it was resonable that Ridley could win. I mean the Metroid series is one of the big 3 of Nintendo
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I really also thought it was reasonable that Goron could win. I mean the Zelda series is one of the big 3 of Nintendo >_>
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is tidus over bowser impossible,unlikely or plausible cause thats what i have on my main account were i will be taking all the risks
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I can't see Mario making up the ground without having done anything this past year.

Well, he got Paper Mario and Super Mario 64 DS... but I doubt it's enough.
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Yeah Mario has Paper Mario and Mario 64 DS to help him, plus Nintendo has him in everything now from NBA Street to Dance Dance Revolution
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Well I officially changed my bracket to having Terra over Dante. I dont know, Ive convinced myself that Dante wont be stronger than last year even with Devil May Cry 3. Its all about if Terra is strong enough to get it done and I hope she is. Its a serious risk, but hell I needed one more anyway and I think this is a good one to take.
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Heh, Terra > Dante pickers are few and far between. I think she's gonna shock a lot of people.
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Hey if she does win, I REALLY like my chances of going perfect. That match and Bowser/Snake are the only two matches Im really worrying about.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

so who do you have on Vincent/Terra?
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Hey if she does win, I REALLY like my chances of going perfect. That match and Bowser/Snake are the only two matches Im really worrying about.

You aren't worried about Ganon/Auron, Alucard/Sora, Kefka/Vercetti, Mario/Samus, Mega Man/Sonic, and Link/Cloud? Wow.
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I think too many people are overlooking Ryu...
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s tidus over bowser impossible,unlikely or plausible

Plausible. Tidus almost beat Ganondorf, he can beat Bowser.
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"You aren't worried about Ganon/Auron, Alucard/Sora, Kefka/Vercetti, Mario/Samus, Mega Man/Sonic, and Link/Cloud? Wow."

Actually, I forgot about Link/Cloud. Funny the three matches I am worried about are the three matches I picked upsets. As for the others. Not really. Not saying they couldnt go another way but I really have a hard time seeing it happen.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Well, he got Paper Mario and Super Mario 64 DS... but I doubt it's enough.

If anything, those would be things to maintain him. Although the most likely to increase of those two would be Mario 64 DS...

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Hmm...Taking a look at our possible sprite round matchups, we could get some good pictures out of it.

Cape/Tanooki Mario vs. Zero with Z-saber
Samus vs. Pig Ganon
The infamous Snake sprite vs. An almost equally ugly Alucard polygon
Kirby's awesome sprite in "sucking" animation vs. Ryu firing the Hadouken
Master Chief vs. Crono just seems like it would be cool
A Sonic vs. Luigi sprite matchup would be awesome, but the odds of it actually happening are slim
Mega Man vs. Yoshi
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"so who do you have on Vincent/Terra?"

Uhh... Vincent by around 60-40.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
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Sonic will break 47% on Mega easy!, just you wait

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He also got Mario and Luigi, remember we dont know where he was in 2004. I Think Mario and Luigi/Paper Mario 2 helped him out a lot. He has a personality, he isnt just some bland enemy. He also now has the ability to get votes from people who are just like "Well I like Mario, so I guess Ill vote for Bowser"
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
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He had Superstar Saga before the 2004 contest.
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Yes and we have no idea how well he did in 2004.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
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...Why not?
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He was SFFd to death in the second round and his only match was againist Fodder that hadnt appeared in two years.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
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Nevermind. I thought you were talking about Mario, not Bowser.
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He was SFFd to death in the second round

So you're saying without SFF, Luigi would've destroyed Yoshi?
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Wait, where did Bowser come up?

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Plausible. Tidus almost beat Ganondorf, he can beat Bowser.

He came up right around there, I guess.
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So you're saying without SFF, Luigi would've destroyed Yoshi?

That'd be interesting to know. Although I think Yoshi is still stronger since he hasn;t been left out of so many games like Luigi has been
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Terra/Vincent is hard to call. The main character from the second-most liked FF on this site versus an unrequired supporting character from the most popular.

A case could easily be made for Terra. Not that it matters. ****ing Dante.

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Well, Nintendo is finally getting around to including Luigi in at least some form or fashion.

Still, if he's not playable in Mario 128, heads will roll.
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I'm sure Vincent would handle Terra easily with maybe some SFF, but in any case of this site FF7>FF6
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http://tales.namco.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=25467

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