BRACKET!

*Creativename's websites*

Everything you could ever imagine:
http://www.sc2k5.com
http://www.sc2k4.com

Summer 2002 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/1

Summer 2003 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/2

Spring 2004 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/3

Summer 2004 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/4

Summer 2005 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/5

Sortable Table for Every Contest Match:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/19



*Extrapolated Standings*

Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/11

Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

Summer 2002 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/13

Summer 2003 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/14

Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/15

SFF Adjusted Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/16

Summer 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/17

SFF Adjusted Summer 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/18

Spring 2005 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/27



*Solarshadow's Sites*

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html

Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html



*Old Stats topics*

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)

2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.

Spring 2004 Pre-Season (Chance the number after "Season" to view other pages; there are three of them):
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm

Spring 2004 Contest (Change the number after "Stats" to view other pages; there are eight of them):
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm



*Match Pictures*

Summer 2002 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15

Summer 2003 Match Pictures:
www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario0/contestpictures.htm

Spring 2004 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17

Summer 2004 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18



*Miscellaneous*

Creativename's Page of Links:
http://sc2k4.com/links.php

MMXcalibur's Contest Sites:
http://prophetchallenge.hyperboards2.com/index.cgi
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/

Poll Vote Total Updater:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/25

All Time Top 25/Top 10 Lists:
http://www.rpgdl.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3251



!yawa tsoP
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

Master Chief has no chance to survive.
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Jon Thomson - Ridley, CATS, Gordon Freeman, Scorpion, Kerrigan, Ocelot, Duke Nukem, Jill Valentine, Wario, Dan Hibiki

And should make his time

Ha ha ha ha...
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VOTE FOR YOSHI
You have no chance to survive make your time.

Reposting for people who want to see the bracket quickly/like to read opinions.

Moltar's Summer 2005 First Thoughts

8 Divisions = Wonderful Idea, looks like Ceej liked the format of the Spring Contest, and decided to make a bracket of 64 with it. Also, a seperate bracket with the Champs is acceptable. Now let's look at the divisions seperately.

Mushroom Division
(1) Mario
(8) Joanna Dark

(4) Ness
(5) Carl Johnson

(3) Zero
(6) Ryu Hayabusa

(2) Lloyd Irving
(7) Albert Wesker

Johanna made it in? Impressive. Ness vs. Carl is going to be an EXCELLENT early bracket buster. Casual vs. Cult right there. Lloyd also surprises me a bit by scoring a 2 seed. It will be interesting to see if he is stronger than Zero though.

Zebes Division

(1) Samus
(8) Yuri

(4) Riku
(5) Frog

(3) Ganondorf
(6) Yuna

(2) Auron
(7) Big Boss

3 words. Ganondorf versus Auron! This match is looking to be big right there. We saw Ganondorf slip by Tidus, and with all the Auron/Tidus arguments, it will be interesting to see how this goes. I would have liked it more if Frog was in the bottom half of the division along with Ganon and Auron, but meh.

Gear Division

(1) Solid Snake
(8) Manny Calavera

(4) Vivi
(5) Zelda

(3) Kratos (God of War)
(6) Alucard

(2) Sora
(7) Agent 47

WTF @ Agent 47?!?!? I think we have our Adventure/Tanner of the Contest. In better news, Manny made it in! Inviso did it with PH and now Shake does it with Manny! Zelda also returns and has a huge Round 1 match with Vivi. Kratos vs. Alucard is also looking like a sexy upset pick.

Star Division

(1) Kirby
(8) Cecil

(4) Tidus
(5) King of all Cosmos

(3) Bowser
(6) Chun Li

(2) Ryu (Street Fighter)
(7) Rikku

Kirby as a 1 seed is AWESOME to see! Tidus is looking to take him down early though in Round 2. Bowser vs. Ryu should also be a great match, as these two are close in strength.

Flood Division

(1) Master Chief
(8) CATS

(4) Donkey Kong
(5) Sam Fisher

(3) Kefka
(6) Tommy Vercetti

(2) Crono
(7) Zidane

Chief gets his own division, and goes up against CATS in Round 1. Ouch. DK vs. Fisher could be good, and Kefka vs. Vercetti is another nice match for the casuals. The possibility of a Crono vs. Kefka 2 though is a rematch we need not to see.

Devil Division

(1) Dante
(8) Terra

(4) Sara Kerrigan
(5) Vincent Valentine

(3) Magus
(6) Knuckles the Echidna

(2) Squall Leonhart
(7) Geno

Wow, it's a nice looking division on paper. Dante is another surprise 1 seed (along with Kirby). He gets Terra, who got in from massive board support. Kerrigan/Vincent is looking to be THE match of Round 1. Magus vs. Knuckles should also be good. And Geno makes it in finally, only to be owned by Squall. Round 2 will also be brutal in this division of mid-carders.

Chaos Division

(1) Sonic the Hedgehog
(8) Jin Kazama

(4) Kratos Aurion
(5) Diablo

(3) Tifa Lockheart
(6) Vyse

(2) Luigi
(7) KOS-MOS

Who the hell is Jin? Oh well. Kratos vs. Diablo is looking to be sweet. Tifa gets in and faces Vyse in Round 1, and once she wins, she gets either Luigi or KOS-MOS.

20XX Division

(1) Mega Man
(8) Conker

(4) Gordon Freeman
(5) Leon Kennedy

(3) Yoshi
(6) Laharl

(2) Revolver Ocelot
(7) Pac-Man

Freeman/Kennedy?! Will GFNW continue, or will Leon be the first to fall to Freeman? Yoshi/Ocelot in ROund 2 also looks nice.

In conclusion, this is the best looking bracket we have had yet. It's looking to be quite the unpredictible and great Contest.

Kefka VS Tommy Vercetti. What do you guys think of this one?
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Spring Contest 2005 - 68/80 points
"Not even death can save you from me" - Diablo

I'm gonna laugh and laugh and laugh if Vercetti beats Kefka.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

This is the best contest ever.
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Spring Contest 2005 - 68/80 points
"Not even death can save you from me" - Diablo

The King > Tidus
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The King of all Cosmos' route to summer victory:
Round 1: (4) Tidus... LET ME DREAM :

Kefka can be Vercetti. C'mon, give him a little credit, it's not like he lost his first match in the Spring contest.
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"I've got some Don King issues!"

X-Statistically speaking, Vercetti should beat Kefka.

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/05
Team Dragostea Din Tei for Trivia XV

Again, XD at Aeris being snubbed.
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Light is but a farewell gift from the darkness to those on their way to die. ~The Boss
ZSB [aX]

Ceej has outdone himself with this bracket

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Nominate Cecil from Final Fantasy IV for the summer contest

Xstat-ly speaking, Luigi should beat KOS-MOS. He's ahead, and has a higher seeding advantage. Luigi isn't that weak you know.
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VOTE FOR YOSHI
You have no chance to survive make your time.

Oh. My. ****ing. Gawd.

I didn't even notice the sticky. Thank you CJay.
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Yoblazer: I'm about three things: kicking ass, taking names, and winning Guru contests.

Oh, we can't guess yet?
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Yoblazer: I'm about three things: kicking ass, taking names, and winning Guru contests.

He said it'll be up tonight.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

Luigi/KOS-MOS is my upset. I don't see anybody really thinking she has a chance, no matter what the X-stats say. Let's see if I am wrong.

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/05
Team Dragostea Din Tei for Trivia XV

I've got my upset picks, but I'm keeping them on the down low.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

After looking at the bracket I have just three words, "Hardest. Bracket. Yet."
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Yoblazer: I'm about three things: kicking ass, taking names, and winning Guru contests.

We need you, 146!
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Trainer: Clinkeroth, do mega fanboy attack!
Clinkeroth: CLINKEROTH! ~Pibb of Truth

Sephiroth's going to beat the 2005 contest winner without breaking too much of a sweat. It'll be interesting for about an hour.

I wonder what this bracket would look like if it was more traditional, with all the same characters in it and everything.
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Summer contest nominees: Sheena Fujibayashi, Lloyd Irving, Dizzy and Slayer(Guilty Gear series), Mewtwo, Laharl, Prier, Lyndis, Kain Highwind, Locke Cole

Could we see Cloud vs. Sephiroth III?
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http://users.ign.com/collection/Dark115.
Currently Playing: GTA: San Andreas, Halo 2, Castlevania: Symphony of the Night

Why is Samus over Mario so hard to believe? There aren't many places where Crono or Cloud could beat Mario.

Samus over Sephiroth is the perfect choice for an upset pick. Regardless of who wins, I am positive that it will be a close match.

Oh, Ness will not beat CJ.

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

And see Cloud break 60% on Seph? No thanks.

Anyway, which one of these Round 1 matches should we kick this discussion topic off with?

Ness/CJ? Vivi/Zelda? Kefka/Tommy? Kong/Fisher? Kerrigan/Vincent? Luigi/KOS-MOS? Freeman/Leon?
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Moltar's Comics - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar (GAC)
Final Sp2K5 Score: 70 points. Yoblazer pwned me harder than Link in a match versus Tanner.

I believe when it comes to Nintendo, people just have Mario in a higher regard than Samus. Even though Samus is projected to get like 58% I can't pick Samus in this one.
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http://users.ign.com/collection/Dark115.
Currently Playing: GTA: San Andreas, Halo 2, Castlevania: Symphony of the Night

Heh, Vincent/Magus is a possibility... Time for Heroic Mario to back up what he's been saying for the past week.
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Light is but a farewell gift from the darkness to those on their way to die. ~The Boss
ZSB [aX]

You know, if someone came up to me a week ago and told me that Kirby was going to get a 1 seed before Crono, I would have laughed at them.
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It's gender-confused fun in Godlike, as Altima duels Kuja at www.rpgdl.com!

Ness/CJ? Vivi/Zelda? Kefka/Tommy? Kong/Fisher? Kerrigan/Vincent? Luigi/KOS-MOS? Freeman/Leon?

...What's to discuss about Donkey Kong/Sam Fisher?
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

Vivi/Zelda could be a good match. If I remember correctly, they were both in one contest each, in different years, and both did very well.

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

...What's to discuss about Donkey Kong/Sam Fisher?

I can consider this an upset. DK has not done all that well in these tournaments.. even in wins.
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Summer contest nominees: Sheena Fujibayashi, Lloyd Irving, Dizzy and Slayer(Guilty Gear series), Mewtwo, Laharl, Prier, Lyndis, Kain Highwind, Locke Cole

Whatever you want to discuss about it.
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Moltar's Comics - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar (GAC)
Final Sp2K5 Score: 70 points. Yoblazer pwned me harder than Link in a match versus Tanner.

No Aeris makes me a sad boy.

But Yay! for Terra. I'm almost tempted to take her to the Sweet Sixteen. *Almost.*

Why the hell are people debating Kerrigan/Vincent?

Am I the only one that thinks Pac-Man might be able to upset Ocelot?
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"Heh Heh... The wind... It is blowing..."--Ganondorf Dragmire

Sam Fisher almost lost to Gordon Freeman. Donkey Kong will take the match easily.

DK has not done all that well in these tournaments

And Sam has? His only win was a struggle to beat Freeman.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

Am I the only one that thinks Pac-Man might be able to upset Ocelot?

I'm predicting a 55/45 match myself.

What do you have for your division champs?

I have what's left of the noble 9, Magus and Ryu (but I might change it to Bowser/Tidus)
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17 handhelds Nintendo has taken down 1 more to go (see quote for rest)

Dante/Terra is my least favorite match in this bracket. I argued before the bracket was up that Terra could easily make the Sweet 16 with the right seed. Well, an 8-seed in a division of eight was not what I had in mind. Terra is one of my all-time favorite characters, and I really want her to win, and will vote for her, but I'm not sure she can beat Dante.

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

Wow, I just noticed that Jin Kazama made it...if anyone was deserving of the 'WTF is he doing here' award, it'd be him. Tekken in general gets no board support, and the only other rep from his game gets tripled by Scorpion. I'm surprised the front pagers got him in over other fighters like Ken, Terry, & so forth.
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Nominatons: Chun-Li, Morrigan, Strider Hiryu, Sheena, Lloyd, Kratos, Nightmare, Lyndis, Tifa, Tron

Good points.. it's going to be a matchup of two that didn't do too well.. if DK wins, and you're a DK fan, ya gotta hope he can dominate Sam Fisher, to look strong at least.
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Summer contest nominees: Sheena Fujibayashi, Lloyd Irving, Dizzy and Slayer(Guilty Gear series), Mewtwo, Laharl, Prier, Lyndis, Kain Highwind, Locke Cole

Actually, that award belongs to Neo Tanner.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

I mean this year of course! :P
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Nominatons: Chun-Li, Morrigan, Strider Hiryu, Sheena, Lloyd, Kratos, Nightmare, Lyndis, Tifa, Tron

Neo Tanner = Agent 47
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

Neo Tanner is Agent 47.
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Light is but a farewell gift from the darkness to those on their way to die. ~The Boss
ZSB [aX]

And Sam has? His only win was a struggle to beat Freeman.

Sam also has two very popular games that came out. Don't underestimate him just yet.
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This is not a sig, just felt like writing something down here.

Dante has received a boost. Not only does he have a 1-seed (possibly because of DMC3), but also because Vergil didn't completely flop against Seph. He at least broke 20%. Hell, his appearance alone in the villians Contest is something.

One a side-note, could Kirby's 1 seed be because of the release of K:CC?
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Moltar's Comics - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar (GAC)
Final Sp2K5 Score: 70 points. Yoblazer pwned me harder than Link in a match versus Tanner.

By the way, why are Sam Fisher's games popular? The only Splinter Cell game I've bothered to play was the first one, and it was terrible.

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

Okay, so Jin gets the Silver Medal! :P
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Nominatons: Chun-Li, Morrigan, Strider Hiryu, Sheena, Lloyd, Kratos, Nightmare, Lyndis, Tifa, Tron

Sam also has two very popular games that came out.

A new release didn't do him any favors last year.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

Heh. Kratos Vs. Diablo is a funny match for reasons posted in the last topic. Kinda in the same vein like Auron Vs. Scorpion and Sora Vs. HK-47 in 2004.
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"Heh Heh... The wind... It is blowing..."--Ganondorf Dragmire

We also have three sets of characters with the same name (Ryu/Ryu, Kratos/Kratos and Riku/Rikku) and the first father/son to be in the same contest.
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"Heh Heh... The wind... It is blowing..."--Ganondorf Dragmire

Who will win. Ocelot or Yoshi?

Yoshi
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The King of all Cosmos' route to summer victory:
Round 1: (4) Tidus... LET ME DREAM :

That's going to be one of the hardest matches of the contest to call. Bowser beat Ocelot by more than he did Yoshi, but Bowser also seems to have had a massive boost between 2K3 and now.
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Light is but a farewell gift from the darkness to those on their way to die. ~The Boss
ZSB [aX]

And to answer the question, I'll probably take Yoshi, but I'll probably switch it around a few times.
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Light is but a farewell gift from the darkness to those on their way to die. ~The Boss
ZSB [aX]

You guys see Wily and Nemesis getting 45% on Ocelot?

Easily Yoshi. Hell, Bowser likely SFF'D Yoshi, yet he was still more impressive against Ocelot.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

Yoshi wins easily, unfortunately.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

It has to be Yoshi.

Nintendo support in a match between two middle-tier guys, the fact that Yoshi might have suffered SFF against Bowser..yeah, it has to be Yoshi.

Hell, I'll post what I think so far later. :-)
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PETITION: Ability to preview contests to moderators before posting it. http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=19643565 (188 Signs!)

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/sum05_entry.php

The entry form is up.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

Finished my bracket, but I think I'm going to make some changes later.

One match I haven't noticed until now is Alucard/Sora...yee-owch.
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Moltar's Comics - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar (GAC)
Final Sp2K5 Score: 70 points. Yoblazer pwned me harder than Link in a match versus Tanner.

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

Mine's done.

I'd like to keep it the way it is to go for the leaderboard, but I'll likely make updates anyway, especially because my main upset pick feels jittery.
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Trainer: Clinkeroth, do mega fanboy attack!
Clinkeroth: CLINKEROTH! ~Pibb of Truth

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

Hot-damn, just got done reading up on everything. I'll say this; Solid Snake's road to the Final Four has about made me choke. I've switched from having him lose Vivi to losing to Bowser to beating Tidus to whatever else I've done, and I'm just baffled about him. I'm glad that both Tifa and Vincent made it in (moreso Tifa =P), though Kerrigan/Vincent's gettin' too much hype.

I'm gonna eat, but I will say this: Magus/Squall could be the sexiest upset pick to be seen.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

Done mine, as well. I don't think I'm going to bother changing anything, as my gut usually does well enough.
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It's gender-confused fun in Godlike, as Altima duels Kuja at www.rpgdl.com!

If Squall wins that match I'll declare undying love for Squall Leonhart to the board and hope for a sticky.
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Trainer: Clinkeroth, do mega fanboy attack!
Clinkeroth: CLINKEROTH! ~Pibb of Truth

Vincent and Kerrigan were the two most hyped characters in this contest, the fact they are in a match together is going to make it worse.
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Today's subliminal thought is:

You guys think Sonic can upset Megaman?

I have Kerrigan losing to Crono in my quick made bracket now... may change it up later though.

The only thing I'd likely change now is my tiebreaker.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

You guys think Sonic can upset Megaman?

Book it.
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

So who do you got winning. I have Crono winning this contest, by winning Mario vs. Crono IV, thanks to Mario pulling a win somehow against Samus...

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I don't have an ego.
I'm way too cool for that.

Sonic's got a good shot at Mega Man.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

Sonic can definitely beat Mega Man if you think Link/Mega Man wasn't a fluke.

And I don't care what anybody says. I'm not picking Magus over Squall in ANY of my brackets. I just can't bring myself to do it without making myself physically sick.

Sora vs. Alucard is a toughie, I must say.
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It's just not the same without this name.
Faithful supporter of Squall Leonhart in SC2K5

Ouch. I don't think Kerrigan will get maimed, but She'd have to be as strong as the hype claims and vincent would have to be as weak as he possibly could for her to win that match.
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Poor Kerrigan.

My thoughts

Mushroom Division

(1) Mario
(8) Joanna Dark
(4) Ness
(5) Carl Johnson
(3) Zero
(6) Ryu Hayabusa
(2) Lloyd Irving
(7) Albert Wesker

Nice to see Mario at the top of the bracket. Ness/CJ may cause a few brackets to fall near the beginning. Also how did Lloyd Irving get such a high seed. If it wasn't for Wesker doing so bad in the villians contest I might've put Wesker over him.

Zebes Division

(1) Samus
(8) Yuri
(4) Riku
(5) Frog
(3) Ganondorf
(6) Yuna
(2) Auron
(7) Big Boss

Frog's in the contest again to prove his strength, but too bad CJayC didn't put him in the bottom half of the division, that would be killer. Ganondorf/Auron in round 2 shall end all of the Auron vs. Tidus argument unless Auron keeps this close.

Gear Division

(1) Solid Snake
(8) Manny Calavera
(4) Vivi
(5) Zelda
(3) Kratos (God of War)
(6) Alucard
(2) Sora
(7) Agent 47

Vivi/Zelda shall be a hard first match, both doing very well in the year that they were in. Kratos from GoW may cause trouble, but since Alucard is pretty high up, I don't think he'll be breaking many brackets. Sora/Alucard may be a difficult match as well.

Dream Division

(1) Kirby
(8) Cecil
(4) Tidus
(5) King of all Cosmos
(3) Bowser
(6) Chun Li
(2) Ryu (Street Fighter)
(7) Rikku

How did Kirby get a 1 seed? Well too bad he won't get past round 2. With no Noble 9 characters in this division, the winner of this division has become up in the air between Tidus, Bowser and Ryu from Street Fighter.

Flood Division

(1) Master Chief
(8) CATS
(4) Donkey Kong
(5) Sam Fisher
(3) Kefka
(6) Tommy Vercetti
(2) Crono
(7) Zidane

Crono continues his tradition of moving up one seed every year and Master Chief gain the 1 seed only because of the huge success of Halo 2. Kefka/Tommy Vercetti could be tough. TV may have been ahead of him in 2k4, but with San Andreas could the fans have forgotten him? Probably not since he is in this contest.

Devil Division

(1) Dante
(8) Terra
(4) Sarah Kerrigan
(5) Vincent Valentine
(3) Magus
(6) Knuckles the Echidna
(2) Squall Leonhart
(7) Geno

Another non-noble 9 division, too bad Magus is in this division to screw everything up. The board 8 fan favorite match is in this division, Kerrigan vs. Vincent is already getting a lot of hype, but some of the users have declared this match a dud. Dante/Vincent can also be hard, but again the board has been hyping about Vincent so we'll see.

Chaos Division

(1) Sonic the Hedgehog
(8) Jin Kazama
(4) Kratos Aurion
(5) Diablo
(3) Tifa Lockheart
(6) Vyse
(2) Luigi
(7) KOS-MOS

Another ToS character in this contest, boy board 8 did a good job, too bad I don't see much strength in them. Many people may put Luigi as the winner of his first round match, but don't forget that KOS-MOS is one place below Luigi. Tifa has replaced Aeris, who again isn't in this contest, she'll probably have a great match against the winner of Luigi/KOS-MOS

20XX Division

(1) Mega Man
(8) Conker
(4) Gordon Freeman
(5) Leon Kennedy
(3) Yoshi
(6) Laharl
(2) Revolver Ocelot
(7) Pac-Man

Gordon continues his GFNW lagacy against a match against Leon. Again like all of his other matches, he does have a chance to win, but most people don't see this coming. How did Laharl return to this thing, I can name plenty of characters that deserve to be in this contest more then Laharl.

Tournament of Champions

Link
Cloud

Sephiroth
2005 Champ

CJayC made the right choice of not excluding the champs, but giving them their own contest. I wonder how the points system will work.

Putting Magus over Squall sickened me too, but I did it. I might change it, but I don't want to lose my time I clocked in with the bracket...

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Also how did Lloyd Irving get such a high seed

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So would 70111 be a good tiebreaker? What's the range?

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Also, it's going to be fun to see who comes out of Bowser/Ryu/Tidus alive.

And I think a sexy, but hella risky upset pick is Zero over Mario.
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I put 63,000.

It will be a 55-45 match or around there. And I think that only 110,000 votes will be in that match...

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My tiebraker of 64,000 seems too low, because I could see more than 110,000 votes cast.
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Two more interesting 3-packs I see are...

Dante/Kerrigan/Vincent and Tifa/Luigi/KOS-MOS

Interesting, but I know who I have winning them.
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total votes in SC2k5 or the champion matches?
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Dante/Kerrigan/Vincent

Don't underestimate Terra.
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Just to clarify beforehand, would a bracket that successfully gets all the matches in the 2K5 bracket, but misses something in the TOC be considered a perfect bracket to you?
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Sora vs. Alucard is a toughie, I must say.

I'd pick Sora. What scares me is that unadjusted in SC2K4, Sora is stronger than Alucard. Only with the SFF-adjusted stats that Alucard gained because Ganondarf was SFF'd, does Alucard seem stronger. But, I feel Square-association will put Sora on top in this close match like it did against Hayabusa.
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well, here are my initial reactions on the bracket:


Mushroom Division

(1) Mario
(8) Joanna Dark

(4) Ness
(5) Carl Johnson

(3) Zero
(6) Ryu Hayabusa

(2) Lloyd Irving
(7) Albert Wesker

Ness vs. CJ is gonna be way more overhyped than it should be. and while it's very impressive that Lloyd scored a 2 seed, but his spot is kinda wasted with a first round match against first round fodder and a second round matchup that's out of his league. in a different spot, Lloyd could have created all kinds of bracket chaos. and why is Wesker back anyways? after his pathetic Spring performance, he should not have gotten another chance.

Zebes Division

(1) Samus
(8) Yuri

(4) Riku
(5) Frog

(3) Ganondorf
(6) Yuna

(2) Auron
(7) Big Boss

Ganondorf vs. Auron does look like a good matchup, but that's about it here. the rest of the division is kinda blah.

Gear Division

(1) Solid Snake
(8) Manny Calavera

(4) Vivi
(5) Zelda

(3) Kratos (God of War)
(6) Alucard

(2) Sora
(7) Agent 47

i am gonna laugh my balls off if Sora (of all people - SORA) becomes the 4th character ever to break the 90% blowout mark. with an uber-fodder-jobber like Agent 47, he just might. he'll definitely break 80%, anyways. at least Sora vs. Alucard is a tough match. and Vivi vs. Zelda looks like it's one of the toughest first round matches. and kudos to Shake for triumphing with Manny.

Star Division

(1) Kirby
(8) Cecil

(4) Tidus
(5) King of all Cosmos

(3) Bowser
(6) Chun Li

(2) Ryu (Street Fighter)
(7) Rikku

hooray for Cecil!! boooooo for match pics of Paladin Cecil!!! ah, well. Dark Knight Cecil couldn't beat Kirby anyways, but at least one of my noms made it. wait, make that TWO of my noms!! The King of All Cosmos owns your souls. and with a #5 seed, too. but of course, he had to draw one of the strongest 4 seeds. bah. why couldn't the King have faced off against Gordon Freeman?

anywho, this looks like the most wide open Division for upsets. Tidus could go down against Kirby or he could win the Division. and both Bowser and Ryu also have good shots at taking this one. not only that, but either Bowser or Ryu could knock out Snake for a Final Four spot. finally - an Elite Eight match we can debate. it's about time.


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Flood Division

(1) Master Chief
(8) CATS

(4) Donkey Kong
(5) Sam Fisher

(3) Kefka
(6) Tommy Vercetti

(2) Crono
(7) Zidane

aw, bummer, this is probably the worst of the 8 Divisions. this Flood Division sucks for several reasons.

first - as much as i don't like CATS, after last Spring, ya gotta believe he could've won against some fodder. instead he gets stuck in the 8th Seed spot. ya gotta wonder if CATS can actually hold the lead for the first 15 minutes against MC, one of the board's most hated characters.

second - why the heck is Sam Fisher still here? and why id he sucking up a 5 seed in a match he can't win. boo.

third - according to the numbers, Vercetti should beat Kefka. but man, that is a match that most of this board does not want to see Vercetti win.

fourth - what a wasted spot for Zidane. i wanted him to at least face a mid-carder so i could proclaim him to be a flop. but now, there is no satisfaction in calling Zidane a flop because he is pretty much guaranteed to get immediately blown out by one of the Top 4 characters in the bracket.

Devil Division

(1) Dante
(8) Terra

(4) Sara Kerrigan
(5) Vincent Valentine

(3) Magus
(6) Knuckles the Echidna

(2) Squall Leonhart
(7) Geno

do you think Kirby and Dante both getting 1 seeds had anything to do with ertyu? >_> anyways, this division boils down to Magus vs. Vincent. say what you want about Kerrigan, but i have strong faith that she will not be able to stand up to Vincent. and since Squall is one of my most hated characters ever and Magus one of my most beloved characters ever, i am obligated to not give Squall a chance in this Division.

also, even though i would have much rather seen Shadow or Mog, it's nice to see Terra made it. i wonder how she only got an 8 seed though, considering how many Board 8 noms she got. seems fishy to me. but either way, she would have to be quite a bit stronger than Kefka to even win her first match.

Chaos Division

(1) Sonic the Hedgehog
(8) Jin Kazama

(4) Kratos Aurion
(5) Diablo

(3) Tifa Lockheart
(6) Vyse

(2) Luigi
(7) KOS-MOS

the Chaos Division seems a little less chaotic this year, but not bad. we could have done without Jin, but whatever. i am getting really impressed by the amount of TofS support though. first, Mithos does respectably against Kefka. then, Lloyd gets a 2 seed. and now, Kratos pulls out a 4 seed. Tales of Symphonia really is no joke. but strong enough to beat Diablo? that seems doubtful.

in the bottom 4-pack, Tifa debuts with a free pass to the Sweet 16 and an excellent matchup in the Sweet 16. if Tifa is much stronger than Aeris at all, she realistically could win this divsion. and even though i seriously doubt either Luigi or KOS-MOS has a shot at Tifa, at least their first round match is tough to call.

20XX Division

(1) Mega Man
(8) Conker

(4) Gordon Freeman
(5) Leon Kennedy

(3) Yoshi
(6) Laharl

(2) Revolver Ocelot
(7) Pac-Man

along with the Mushroom Division, this looks like the easiest Division to predict. it's too bad, too, because some light shuffling could have made it much better. just stick CATS against Gordon, move Leon to be against Yoshi (because Laharl certainly doesn't need to be giving Yoshi a free win) and throw Peach in against Ocelot. instead, we end an otherwise great bracket with a rather dull division.

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"total votes in SC2k5 or the champion matches?"

Well, it says "How many votes will the winner get in the final battle of the contest?", so I think it's the final champion match.
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Dante/Kerrigan/Vincent

Don't underestimate Terra

And you, don't put too much faith in her. Dante's also getting a DMC3 boost.
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There's no reason to believe Terra couldn't at least contend. Dante wouldn't blow out Kefka, much less Terra.
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Well, my bracket is done. Next post.
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Actually, I'll type it up tomorrow.
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some light shuffling could have made it much better. just stick CATS against Gordon, move Leon to be against Yoshi (because Laharl certainly doesn't need to be giving Yoshi a free win) and throw Peach in against Ocelot. instead, we end an otherwise great bracket with a rather dull division.

That WOULD have been better, true enough.


I just noticed there's a shot of possible SFF that's been over-looked; Mario/Ness. I think CJ will win, but if Ness wins then we'll STILL have no true standing on Ness.

2k3: faced Bowser, SFF.
2k4: faced Auron, likely-SFF in the next match (Auron/Sephiroth).
[Spring 2k5: Giygas faced Ganondorf, SFF.] <---Just for good measure, heh.

If Bowser SFF'd Ness as hard as he did, imagine what Mario'll do.
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I said it at the end of the last topic, but I will repeat it here in all its glory:

Vincent will at least double Kerrigan

*Raises HM flame shield*
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Crono/Magus could also mess up what could be the most important division in the Contest.

Unless it was adjusted right last time...
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"How many votes will the winner get in the final battle of the contest?"

Which one SC2k5 or battle of the champs
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Vincent will at least double Kerrigan

Both characters, overhyped, I do see Vincent doubling Kerrigan then losing to Dante (but it will be close).
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Crono/Magus could also mess up what could be the most important division in the Contest.


heh, yeah, if Magus pulls that one out, we will have almost no clue where Vincent, Kerrigan, and Terra accurately sit.

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Which one SC2k5 or battle of the champs

Well, seeing as the ToC can't occur until after the main bracket, and it says FINAL battle, I'd assume it means battle of the champs.
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Well, we'll be able to guestimate, based on Dante and Knuckles.
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Depending on whether the ToC counts toward the final scores (and I think it should), we'd have to wait until the contest almost ends till we know whether we have a zero bracket (IF, and that's a big IF, one survives the first round).

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heh, yeah, if Magus pulls that one out, we will have almost no clue where Vincent, Kerrigan, and Terra accurately sit.

Ya know, I bet Ceej did that on purpose... He DEFINITELY knows the XStats exist, and he knows about SFF from last year. Maybe he wanted to hinder the predictability of SC2K6.
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Depending on whether the ToC counts toward the final scores (and I think it should), we'd have to wait until the contest almost ends till we know whether we have a zero bracket (IF, and that's a big IF, one survives the first round).

That's actually kind of cool.
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1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Ngamer64
3 - yoblazer33
4 - Team Rocket Elite
5 - Ballpoint Pencil
6 - HaRRicH
7 - NewLib
8 - Heroic Mario
9 - RPGGamer0
10- Tirofog
11 - Haste2
12 - Fiop
13 - Starion
14 - Lopen
15 - greatone10
16 - MegatokyoEd
17 - SonicRaptor
18 - Lucid Faia
19 - Draco1214
20 - Gr8CyberMonkey
21 - Heroic Viktor (tnote)
22 - Undeniable
23 - CaptainFlufflez
24 - Dranze
25 - Vile Requiem
26 - Forceful Dragon
27 - Lieutenant Kettch
28 - swirldude
29 - andaca
30 - Ed_Bellis
31 - RPGuy96
32 - Janus5000
33 - Dilated Chemist
34 - Applekidjosh
35 - Mac Arrowny
36 - Z1mZum
37 - Link Jr
38 - Aprosenf
39 - Chinballz
40 - somdude04
41 - Buzzup
42 - Silverflame
43 - cavedog0
44 - Shake
45 - Lettuce Kefka
46 - Rufus Shinra 18
47 - Gooper Blooper
48 - Ringworm
49 - stepintothearena
50 - Zylo the wolf
51 - Fantusta
52 - XxSoulxX
53 - Heroic Gamma Ray
54 - jonthomson
55 - Master Moltar
56 - XIII is cool
57 - Tediz247
58 - charmander6000
59 - plasmabeam
60 - Phediuk
61 - alpha door
62 - ExThaNemesis
63 - Tai
64 - Shdwdde
65 - VicPez
66 - Sir Bormun
67 - Tjian
68 - Brainstruck
69 - ChichiriMuyo
70 - ShinDragon (sidharta)
71 - Brett with Atreyu
72 - Smurf87
73 - DeeJayDragon
74 - Weird Kirby Dude11
75 - DomaDragoon
76 - dragoontheguy
77 - Radix
78 - rpgapzx
79 - PugTheNinja
80 - Kaxon
81 - FastFalcon05
82 - ubarn
83 - King Morgoth
84 - Mithrandir1331
85 - cyko
86 - Fett0001
87 - SecondBest
88 - Shivan Reincarnated
89 - outback
90 - A worlds envy
91 - Crono801
92 - LuniNutz99
93 - Sephirot1
94 - ExquisiteSamurai
95 - SlangEdter41
96 - voltch
97 - transience
98 - igota75
99. dethfddddh
100 - red sox 777
101 - Yesmar
102 - ff6man
103 - arkenaga
104 - meche313
105 - BeTheMan
106 - bigkevinm84

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Dream Division and Mario/Samus is all I'm worried about
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i am a bit sad that i didn't notice the bracket was up for entry until 7:45 PST. now, i dunno if i will pop up on the Top 50 early on again. =(

when exactly did it go up? anyone know?

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Early 7:00 PST, I believe. I remember seeing someone say they finished his aby 7:09 PST.
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Character descriptions are up on the Who's who page, with the notable exception of Luigi.
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Well, I'm gonna say this right now: against Leonhart's beliefs, I think Kefka will only win if he gets either Angel Kefka or some other in-game sprite (in which case, I'd take him). With that said, I've got TV over Kefka.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
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Entered hastily with too many risky picks that I don't intend to change.

...Alright, maybe I intend to change them after I look some more.
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I did pretty good in the guru challenge but yoblazer did slightly better.

If we get full body pictures in the first round as we usually do, you can expect to see Lettuce Kefka against Vercetti.
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Early 7:00 PST, I believe. I remember seeing someone say they finished his aby 7:09 PST.

well, that's not too bad. only the most hardcore Board 8ers will have filled out their brackets without a direct link. look for my alt to make the Top 50 again. ^_^

and if you ask me, the first truly tough to call match will be Vivi vs. Zelda.

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Well, I'm gonna say this right now: against Leonhart's beliefs, I think Kefka will only win if he gets either Angel Kefka or some other in-game sprite (in which case, I'd take him). With that said, I've got TV over Kefka.

i agree. i said that in the last topic. i really hope Kefka gets his Angel pic, though.

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Oh holy crap, did you guys see the contest starts on July 15th?

http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/contest/sum05.html
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I did pretty good in the guru challenge but yoblazer did slightly better.

But the earliest he could get an Angel picture is against Crono, and maybe it's just me, but I don't think it's gonna help him.
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Kefka has his lettuce picture in his profile: CJayC hasn't forgotten about it and that scares me.
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July 15th start? SWEET.
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Starting July 15th, the fourth 64-character winner-take-all tournament will begin.

****ING WIN!
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In complete seriousness, am I the only one who thinks the race card will be played if Ness beats CJ?

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Man, Ceej actually considers Spring 2k5 a character battle. *sigh*
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Oh SWEET!

I'm leaving for the month of August, having a July 15 start makes me not miss too much!

*kisses CJayC over and over*
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So why is the bracket due July 18th, but the contest starts July 15th?
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Also, it turns out that each of the Tournament of Champions matches is worth 8 points.
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Well, the point of it was to get Sephiroth out of the main contest...

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And I think the contest isn't starting until the 19th, because it says entries aren't locked until the 18th.

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Maybe he thinks the first division is too easy, and he's gonna let us have it for free.
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Ryu or Bowser? Pretty close in the XStats.

And does Tidus stand a chance against the winner?
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Man, first the bracket comes out unexpectedly early (sort of) and then the contest seems to start early.

HM's predictions off again? >_>

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It says the contest starts the 19th on the info thing.
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Starting July 19th, the fourth 64-character winner-take-all tournament will begin.

The day after my b-day...I can work with that.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
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And, for the record, I have no clue who's going to win. I feel like my bracket's been shot before the first vote has even taken place...

XD

Ceej is really a pretty cool guy.
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But the earliest he could get an Angel picture is against Crono, and maybe it's just me, but I don't think it's gonna help him.

that, i will agree with. the only pic that could help Kefka beat Crono would be a topless pic of Tifa.

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Maybe Ceej will give us a teaser if we get Tifa/KOS-MOS in the second round? After all, that is the ultimate TJF match...
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Don't forget: This is not a contest to see which character would be more powerful in a fight, or necessarily which character is best. It's all a big popularity contest, and visitors who have never visited GameFAQs before will be sure to stop in and vote.

Methinks Ceej got a bit annoyed with the whining about who deserves to vote.
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Oh, 19th start...still good.
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I'll go ahead and make note that this bracket is incredibly difficult. Kudos, CJay.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
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With the contest starting on July 19th, that means Advent Children will now release during the Elite Eight of the main bracket.
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The 19th?

The contest will end during my honeymoon. God damn you, Ceej.

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Well, at least getting the whole tournament of champions is only 24 points, 8 of which are dead obvious.
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On a side note, when do we enter our brackets for the Guru contest?
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Which 8 would those be?
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Advent Children released - September 14th
Vincent vs. Magus - September 10th
Sonic vs. Tifa - September 11th

Ouch for the FFVII characters. I would take both a few days later, but I'll probably go with Magus and Sonic in close ones now.
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Aww, the 19th.

Still, it's early enough for me.
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I am ashamed to be saying this publicly...but Gordon Freeman's match is making me sick over here. I've got Leon and likely gonna keep it that way, but that match is tearin' me up.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
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Which 8 would those be?

Sephiroth vs Mario/Sonic/Mega Man/Crono
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...Why? Leon Kennedy is the protagonist of a game that could potentially win GOTY. Don't let Wesker's crappy performance fool you. Leon should be as strong as Jill, at the least.
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http://img175.echo.cx/img175/9871/tophalfofbracket2ly.jpg
http://img175.echo.cx/img175/8049/bottomhalfofbracket2jv.jpg

There you have it! My bracket, in all its glory.
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Actually wait, I'm going to miss every match between Lloyd/Zero and... Bowser/Ryu? Eh, a little better I guess.

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No Samus on that list of possible winners = wtf were you thinking when making your bracket?
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Kirby over Tidus = Failure
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Kirby over Tidus = Failure

As I said, I think Tidus, Magus, and Ganondorf are overrated by the stats. I also think Kirby Canvas Curse being the only real killer app for DS so far is enough to give Kirby a little bit of a boost. Enough to overtake Tidus anyway.
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And in case anyone tries to bring it up, this time I'm just going to be honest and forthcoming instead of lying about what I have in my bracket.
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Overrated, sure, but not by that much. I don't see Tidus losing to Alucard, especially considering he did exceptionally better against Ganon.
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Overrated, sure, but not by that much. I don't see Tidus losing to Alucard, especially considering he did exceptionally better against Ganon.

Why would you have to see Tidus losing to Alucard? Alucard's strength is based on a Ganon assumption. He drops in strength in my theory too. Tidus can still outrank him.
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Besides, Kirby: Canvas Curse really just clinches it for me.
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Why would you have to see Tidus losing to Alucard?

Because Kirby lost to him...
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Overrated, sure, but not by that much. I don't see Tidus losing to Alucard, especially considering he did exceptionally better against Ganon.

Well, I think that strings of close matches like Magus, Tidus, Ganon or Frog, Liquid, Chief, underwent aren't trustworthy.
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Because Kirby lost to him...

...Did you miss me saying that I think Kirby is going to gain a bit of strength? Twice.
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I read your post before you deleted it. So uh.... why exactly did you delete it? Don't want to make it look like you were actually apologising?
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Wow, that's on my birthday. Cheers for me. :-)

Ok, Tidus or Bowser, and Vivi or Zelda?

And..man, Mario and Samus is killing me too.
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I read your post before you deleted it. So uh.... why exactly did you delete it? Don't want to make it look like you were actually apologising?

Nope, I realized it was about five posts after you made that and it looked like I was talking to Leonhart, which wouldn't have made sense. I was going to quote you and repost it, but I got sidetracked.

Anyway, I'm sorry I forgot one of the five possible winners in the bracket.

And judging by your response to that post, you obviously didn't realize that I was being heavily sarcastic.
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...Did you miss me saying that I think Kirby is going to gain a bit of strength? Twice.

Yeah, I read it. Tidus still has to come dangerously close to losing to Alucard regardless of the boost Kirby gets, without getting an increase of unreasonable levels.
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I don't think that a DS game is going to get Kirby over the top. His 1 seed might, but Canvas Curse? Nah.

By the way, it's quite clear that CJayC reads the stats topic and knows that the Xsts exist. Not only do we have a bunch of matches that are close in the stats, but there are too many trap matches taken directly from this topic's suggestions for it to be coincidence. Dante vs Vincent vs Magus? Yoshi vs Ocelot? Mega Man vs Sonic? Mario/Samus/Crono? Tidus vs Kirby? Lots of good stuff.

Samus vs Mario is a ****ing killer.

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It's not just Wesker; with Jill having dropped every year and Nemesis (while surprising) losing to Revolver despite a game being named after him, I continue to stay skeptical on Leon (which I have been for quite awhile). Now, it's not like Leon has to be stronger than ANY RE character we've seen yet to beat Gordon...but Half-Life 2 scares me some. Gordon'll still be weak, but my gut feeling's making me queasy with him against Leon
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I think Ryu/Bowser/Tidus is going to be the biggest bracket killer, personally, especially if Tidus emerges victorious.
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I don't think that a DS game is going to get Kirby over the top. His 1 seed might, but Canvas Curse? Nah.

Do you have a DS? Because, it's literally the best game on the system. And I don't know why you would ever downplay the importance of a system that sold over 2,000,000 in a month, set the record for fastest sales in Europe, and is still extremely popular. Being the best game on such a system is definitely going to help.
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Oh, I did. I was wondering if you didn't want people oblivious to sarcasm to think you were apologising. Note the use of the word actually, and where I placed it.
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Oh, I did. I was wondering if you didn't want people oblivious to sarcasm to think you were apologising.

Ah, nope, just the reasons I said. ^_^
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Samus vs Mario is a ****ing killer

Agreed. Samus wins on raw strength alone, but Mario could pull SFF over on Samus. Then again, Link couldn't SFF either character, so you can take it from there.
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I'm taking Tidus to win that division...and I've been tempted to take him over Solid.
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Handhelds aren't that big on GameFAQs. In fact, PC gamers probably have more of an effect on voting than handheld gamers.

Though Felix wasn't that bad against Master Chief. Still, I seriously doubt Canvas Curse will give Kirby the boost needed to take out Tidus. Hell, I doubt his new Gamecube game would if it were released right before his match.

The only thing I'm wondering about this tournament is if I will get a perfect first round again.

I am not going to win, but I want to maintain my streak ^_^
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Handhelds aren't that big on GameFAQs. In fact, PC gamers probably have more of an effect on voting than handheld gamers.

Though Felix wasn't that bad against Master Chief. Still, I seriously doubt Canvas Curse will give Kirby the boost needed to take out Tidus. Hell, I doubt his new Gamecube game would if it were released right before his match.

Okay. You are free to think that. Personally, I hope you are wrong.
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After seeing Tidus choke against Mega Man (and possibly Sonic), I wouldn't be too confident in him against Snake.

I honestly believe Ryu might stand a chance against him if he survives the division though.
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Well it's not like tidus and kirby are that far away in strength. I'm probably not going to take a chance on kirby, but I could certainly see him pulling it off.
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And for reference, the boost needed is non-existant. He's technically a little tiny bit stronger in the first place.
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I'm taking Tidus to win that division...and I've been tempted to take him over Solid.

Just like I'm tempted to take Bowser over Snake.
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See, this bracket doesn't even need upsets like that. Just getting the normal stuff right is going to be hard enough.

Watch us get a perfect this time. >>;
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He's technically a little tiny bit stronger in the first place.

Wouldn't that be based on SFF adjusted stats though?
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I don't buy Tidus's 2004 position for a second, and I never have.
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I think Ryu/Bowser/Tidus is going to be the biggest bracket killer, personally, especially if Tidus emerges victorious.

Really out of those 3 characters I think people are least likely to take Ryu and Bowser being the overall fav.
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Wouldn't that be based on SFF adjusted stats though?

Yes, in reality he could be stronger, he could be weaker. As I said, I think he, Ganon, and Magus are overrated. The pick isn't hard for me to make because I believe that.
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Leon nailed it. Tidus and Kirby aren't the least bit close in the stats, and Tidus will probably win with ease.

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I had Bowser over Snake for a lil' bit, heh. Solid is making me hate him, what with this wicked road and all; Vivi, Zelda, Sora, Tidus, Bowser, or Ryu could conceivably beat him.

I really wish Master Chief and Alucard would have switched places; that would have been killer with MC/Sora and letting either of them have a shot at Solid.
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I'd be surprised to see Tidus win by more then 5,000 votes, or even in that area.
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Whoa, looking at the bracket again I see there's a possibility of a Mario/Bowser rematch.
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Leon nailed it. Tidus and Kirby aren't the least bit close in the stats, and Tidus will probably win with ease.

Fine, I bow to Leon's obvious ability to determine where Tidus actually DOES rest in the stats, despite the fact that he performed like a worthless jobber against a character who then couldn't stay anywhere near his expected value against Link because he may or may not draw his fanbase from the same 20 year old group. Excuse me while I go change my pick.
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Vivi , Sora, or Zelda? Nah, I don't think so. Even last year, Snake still did better against Mega Man than Zelda. They might all put up Frog-like numbers, but I couldn't see them winning.
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Fine, I bow to Leon's obvious ability to determine where Tidus actually DOES rest in the stats

I never said I knew. I just said I have never bought his 2004 position, and I've said that since the stats first came out.
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Leon nailed it. Tidus and Kirby aren't the least bit close in the stats, and Tidus will probably win with ease.

I have also. But why both of you are just assuming that Tidus should go up even MORE than the SFF adjusted stats increase him is beyond me.
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Oh and the biggest snub is Shadow the Hedgehog, love him or hate him.

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I really wanted Shadow in just to see how strong he really is. Tidus screwed everything up last year.

Wait...you mean after we have proof that...

Magus got 35% on Link
Crono got 37% on Link
Ganon got 41% on Seph

You STILL think they're over-rated? I mean, I can understand Tidus, but them too?
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Yes, in reality he could be stronger, he could be weaker. As I said, I think he, Ganon, and Magus are overrated. The pick isn't hard for me to make because I believe that.

Even after Ganon vs. Seph? Then why doesn't the winner (of this contest) stand a chance against Seph in this contest?

Well, Ganondorf seemed to prove his spot was legit against Sephiroth. If Tidus is still at that same level, he's slightly stronger than where Bowser rests, which is above Kirby.
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Or, I'll go with an off the wall theory insted. Tidus beat Shadow because Shadow tries to look menacing and manages to pull it off. However, when Mega Man and Kirby try to look menacing, they end up just being flat out adorable. Tidus is physically incapable of maintaining his composure against an adorable character.
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I'm indecisive with Vivi/Zelda, and I've looked at Vivi-over-Solid...therefore, it's only fair for me to mention Zelda in there too. Sora also scares me; as long as he isn't facing somebody else from Square, he's been pretty good. Now, I think Solid could get more than 34.15% against Samus, but I'm not about to over-look Sora.
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Time to do my favourite bracket

Round 1

Mushroom Division

(1) Mario
(5) Carl Johnson
(3) Zero
(7) Albert Wesker

Zebes Division

(1) Samus
(4) Riku
(3) Ganondorf
(7) Big Boss

Gear Division

(1) Solid Snake
(5) Zelda
(6) Alucard
(2) Sora

Dream Division

(1) Kirby
(4) Tidus
(3) Bowser
(2) Ryu (Street Fighter)

Flood Division

(1) Master Chief
(4) Donkey Kong
(6) Tommy Vercetti
(2) Crono

Devil Division

(1) Dante
(4) Sarah Kerrigan
(6) Knuckles the Echidna
(7) Geno

Chaos Division

(1) Sonic the Hedgehog
(5) Diablo
(3) Tifa Lockheart
(2) Luigi

20XX Division

(1) Mega Man
(5) Leon Kennedy
(3) Yoshi
(7) Pac-Man

Round 2

Mushroom Division

(1) Mario
(3) Zero

Zebes Division

(1) Samus
(3) Ganondorf

Gear Division

(5) Zelda
(6) Alucard

Dream Division

(1) Kirby
(3) Bowser

Flood Division

(4) Donkey Kong
(6) Tommy Vercetti

Devil Division

(1) Dante
(6) Knuckles the Echidna

Chaos Division

(1) Sonic the Hedgehog
(2) Luigi

20XX Division

(1) Mega Man
(3) Yoshi

Round 3

(1) Mario
(1) Samus
(5) Zelda
(3) Bowser
(4) Donkey Kong
(6) Knuckles the Echidna
(1) Sonic the Hedgehog
(3) Yoshi

Round 4

(1) Mario
(3) Bowser
(4) Donkey Kong
(3) Yoshi

Round 5

(1) Mario
(3) Yoshi

Round 6

(1) Mario

Tournament of Champions

Round 1

Link
Mario

Round 2

Mario
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Oh and the biggest snub is Shadow the Hedgehog, love him or hate him.

Ulti is 100% correct. In fact, I think I'll go bump my topic now.
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Even after Ganon vs. Seph? Then why doesn't the winner (of this contest) stand a chance against Seph in this contest?

I'm having trouble trusting the legitimacy of the whole villains contest to be honest.
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I'd like for somebody to answer two things for me that know about the stats:

1) What's the expected difference between Bowser and Ganondorf before the Villain Contest and after the Villain Contest? (I wanna compare how close they stayed in relation to each other)
2) What's the expected difference between Samus and Ganondorf before the Villain Contest and after the Villain Contest? (I wanna compare how close Samus should get to Sephiroth if she gets to face him)
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You rock, charmander6000. Mario > Yoshi in the finals for a favorites bracket is great.


Who do you all think will win, Zero or Lloyd? I picked Zero, but I dunno...
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Zero will easily win.

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I would really be surprised if Lloyd ended up as a near-elite, so I say Zero, by a fairly comfortable margain.
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It'll be nice to know how Lloyd and Kratos compare to each other and Mithos.
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Picking Lloyd over Zero is border-line suicide, so to speak.
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Lloyd will hold his own and all, but he won't match up to Zero.
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Picking Lloyd over Zero IS suicide. You're basically saying the main character of ToS is stronger than the main characters of FFVIII, KH, and FFX. Ain't happening.
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So we get the bracket today, and the contest starts in mid-July.

Once again, Heroic Mario is wrong, and I am right. :)

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1) What's the expected difference between Bowser and Ganondorf before the Villain Contest and after the Villain Contest? (I wanna compare how close they stayed in relation to each other)
2) What's the expected difference between Samus and Ganondorf before the Villain Contest and after the Villain Contest? (I wanna compare how close Samus should get to Sephiroth if she gets to face him)

1) Before Ganondorf would've gotten 55.42%. After Ganondorf would get 51.59%

2) Before Samus would've gotten 59.00%. After using Sephiroth as the meter stick (I used Ganondorf since he seems more right) Samus would get 55.10% (that would mean Ganondorf > Mario)
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I think it's safe to say that Seph took a drop from '03 to '04 and from '04 to '05.
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Even after Ganon vs. Seph? Then why doesn't the winner (of this contest) stand a chance against Seph in this contest?

It depends on who wins. The only character I'd give a chance against Sephiroth is Samus, and that might seem to generous to others, and in my own subconsciousness, that probably is, if you understand what that means. Also, that presumes she goes over Crono too, who I'd also say has a better chance of doing so then Mario. For Crono, the Square Fanbase will obviously vote Sephiroth. That's a foregone conclusion.
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This is the best damn bracket I have ever seen CJayC create. The amount of matches that have no clear winner is absolutely amazing. I haven't even predicted the bracket yet, but after talking to Leonhart there are just so many matches that could go either way...


And Vincent is in the contest! JUSTICE! <3

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I think it's safe to say that Seph took a drop from '03 to '04 and from '04 to '05.

I don't know how you came up with that, but either way, I'd still only give Samus a shot to beat Sephiroth.
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You know, I'm really scared it's going to be Manny that'll end up being the Tanner of this contest. He is going against Snake (who was the one who slaughtered Tanner) and I shudder at what might happen.
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Alright, so I haven't even read a word about the contest, I haven't seen the bracket... so like last spring, I'll comment as I go.

- Tournament of champions? Hate the idea, but it's better than an outright ban.

- 8x8 instead of 16x4? Meh.

- Joanna? Well, that's decent opener fodder, at least she's somewhat known.

- Oh man. Usually second matches are overrated, but this one... not. I'm picking CJ, but I'm not confident in the least.

- Rest of division is easy. Zero, then Lloyd. C'mon, MITHOS > Wesker.

- Easy as sin Zebes division. 1-5-3-2.

- I see we're headed straight for a Mario/Samus match. Ew. But as I said, I'm confident Samus will take it.

- MANNY? Oh, I want to see Shake's orgasm. I guess it already took place, but whateva.

- Vivi/Zelda = instant DRS. Ouch. Going with Zelda, because I think she'd do a wee bit better than 57% on DK before accounting for SFF. And there's that talk of underperforming against Megaman...

- GOD OF WAR Kratos? And as a 3-seed to boot? Well, it's part of the plan...

- Agent... 47? Who the hell is that?

- I never thought I'd see Kirby as a top seed. Ever.

- Tightass, Bowser and Ryu. No, Chunners has no chance.

- Master Chief against CATS. XD

- Finally, DK gets a bye. It wouldn't be so easy if Sam 2K3 was even suspected to be the true Sam, but he isn't...

- Kefka/Vercetti? Damn. This bracket outdoes last year's by light years. Going with Vercetti for now... oh, and two GTA guys? I'm a bit surprised they both made it.

- 8 divisions, and Crono STILL not a top seed? And for MASTER CHIEF at that?

- Dante/Terra... going with Dante, though Terra is still a nice upset prospect. Not that I'm going with her, because she sucks.

- Arise, my daughter... ARISE, KERR - oh crap, they forgot "Kerrigan must survive" in the mission objectives.

- Magus and Squall win. No, Geno has no chance.

- Kratos/Diablo... I'd be confuzzled if we hadn't seen big D before, but we did. Bye Kratos.

- Luigi has no right to underperform in his match. None whatsoever, else a first round loss awaits.

- Hopefully Leon fares better than Wesker, else the universe is done for.

- Two matches from the end, and STILL no Aeris. WTF?

- Laharl found a way back in? What a joke.

- Mario, Zero, Samus... Ganondorf/Auron? Oh ****. Neither is safe at all. But I'm slightly more confident in the G-unit.

- Alucard/Sora? Thank God Ceej took his time, it really paid off. Hardest match so far, too, and there have been lots of toughies. Hmmm... after what Sora did last year, I'm very tempted to go with him.

- Will the real Tidus stand up please? And can he beat Kirby? I'm thinking there's more chances that he will than not, so Tidus it is.

- And then there's Bowser/Ryu. Hoo boy. I'm thinking Bowser... he's been real neato this spring. But Ryu is far from beaten.

- Next in line, Dante/Vincent. Or maybe even Terra. This may be the toughest four-pack of them all. I'm tempted to go with Dante, just because I'm thinking Vincent is a board creation, much moreso than Ridley was, but... oh man, Vincent it is. Winner is roadkill for Magus either way.

- And another FF7 favorite in Tifa facing a tough draw in Luigi. I'm comfortable enough with Tifa here though.
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- The only hard division final is Tidus vs. Bowser/Ryu. If Kirby gets through, Bowser/Ryu is a foregone conclusion. But Tidus, being the king of inconsistency that he is... oh ****, Bowser's spring performance wins out again.

- Crono/Magus II? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

- Quarterfinals are fine, except Mario/Samus. And since Link failed to SFF either, I don't see how Mario would rSFF Samus.

- But if Mario gets through, guess it's time for Mario/Crono 4, where Crono is a foregone conclusion. If it's Samus? I think Samus wins, but it could be close.

- Link/Cloud, hoo boy. Winner takes all, baby. And as I said, I'm going with Link, though I'm not exactly bursting with confidence.

- And then Sephy/Samus. Upset talk is nice and all that, but hey, it may be nothing more than a pipe dream, Sephy wins, and gets owned by Link.
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SC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Link, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Bowser, Kerrigan, Yoshi

Oh man, I didn't notice. No Shadow. PARTAAAAAAAAY!!!

And I don't think I've seen Tails either. Boooooo.
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SC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Link, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Bowser, Kerrigan, Yoshi

Oh, I want to see Shake's orgasm.

^ wtf
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Okay here are my thoughts. First, I think some matches are easy and people are making way too big of a deal of them.

Mushroom Division: Really the easiest division to pick. You could say Ness, but I cant see CJ that much weaker than Tommy was last year. Rest is simple

Zebes Division: Top Half is easy. If Ganon beats Tidus, he is beating Yuna. Auron should win convincingly over Big Boss. Now for Ganon vs Auron. I have to go with Ganon for the simple fact that too many things are working in his favor. A storng showing againist Sephiroth, Link not being in the main contest meaning he is the #1 guy from Zelda, and the fact I believe he has increased from 2003. Still a tough match.

Gear Division: Vivi/Zelda, I pick Zelda for the same reasons I picked Ganon. Link not being here could mean a similiar rallying around Zelda, and I think she increased since 2003. Still a tough match. Snake should beat Zelda, but I expect it to be tougher than most think. Kratos (God of War) is just setting up to be a big bomb. I got Alucard and Alucard CONVINCINGLY. Alucard vs Sora is a tough one, maybe one of the three toughest along with Mario/Samus and Bowser/Snake. I got Sora since he seems to do well versus non-Square opponents. Snake takes it.

Dream Division: Top Half pretty straightfoward. I cant see Tidus's 2k4 stats being right with Ganon proving that his were. I have to take him over Kirby. Bowser vs Ryu is the money maker. Bowser doesnt have the same reason to be incredibly stronger than Ganon does since Mario is still in this. I think Ryu is one of those characters who is always overrated and just the type of character that can steal enough old-school support from Bowser to make this a match. I still have Bowser, who then wins the division.

Flood Division: Straightfoward bracket. I think Tommy will be weaker, but not weak enough for Kefka to pose a series threat. Outside of that, its easy.

Devil Division: I think Dante going to have his hands full in the first match. He still wins, but it puts Terra safely around Knuckles level. Vincent will destroy Kerrigan and then go on to beat Dante in an interesting match. Magus vs Squall seems sort of dangerous at second glance since I could see Squall getting a greater portion of the Square vote. But old-school Square and new-school Square are almost two seperate votes, so I can see Magus still pulling it off and then beating Vincent in about the same fashion.

Chaos: Diablo vs Kratos could be a big bracketbuster, but I have a hard time buying Kratos around Yoshi level which is where he need to be. Luigi should pull it off againist Kos-Mos. Sonic vs Tifa just doesnt scare me all that much, after how Sonic ranks with Aeris.

20XX: Anyone saying GFNW is going to end on Leon is a fool. Even if Leon is = Jill, which I doubt, there is going to have be a huge jump do to Half-Life 2 in a character that no one really seems to care about. Ocelot will pull it off againist Pac-Man by a margin. Mega Man wins easily

Final 8: Mario vs Samus, Match of the tourny. My reasoning with picking Samus is that Mario couldnt SFF Link, how can he SFF a character that probably shares even less of a common fanbase. Bowser vs Snake. MY BIG UPSET SPECIAL. Bowser wins in an extremely close match. Crono wins easily and then Mega Man has some problems and puts Sonic away.

Final 4: Samus and Crono waltz

Winner Overall: Samus Aran

Sephiroth vs Samus: Got to go with Sephy, do to AC but I think it could be close.
Cloud vs Link: Same as above replace Sephy with Cloud. YES HM CONVINCED ME TO TAKE CLOUD.

Cloud vs Sephiroth Part III: Cloud wins.


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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Oh man, I didn't notice. No Shadow. PARTAAAAAAAAY!!!

No Liquid either.
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SpC2k5 FINAL SCORE: 72/80
*is Janus5000*

From: mr_BRIAN | Posted: 6/29/2005 12:49:42 AM | #229
Oh man, I didn't notice. No Shadow. PARTAAAAAAAAY!!!

No Liquid either.

MORE PARTAAAAAAAAAAY!!!
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SC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Link, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Bowser, Kerrigan, Yoshi

Does anyone have those X-stats with all the characters that were in 2K2,2K3, and 2K4? >.>

No Aeris, no Tails, no Bomberman, no Mortal Kombat.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
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Snap...6 seconds away from the greatest same time post EVER.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

Reasoning with Bowser vs Snake:
1. Bowser is stronger than 2k3. Combination of PM2, M&L, and all the rest of the games.
2. Unlike Link/Ganon, Mario/Bowser are not tied hand to foot. Bowser is an enjoyable character and really shined in M&L and PM2. I think Mario gets a share of anti-votes, which Bowser avoids.
3. I dont think Mega Man was SFFd THAT much by Link. I have a hard time taking Snake over Bowser even with that increase, but without it the choice is easier.
4. Solid Snake was not in MGS3. MGS3 did not sell up to the first three standards, I dont really expect much of an increase at all from that game for him.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Err first two standard.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Finished my bracket.

Chances are it won't change. I've convinced myself to believe in anything I didn't believe in before.

Oh well, better hope for the best.
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...who's questioning Bowser/Snake, exactly? Bowser may not even GET to Snake.
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SC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Link, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Bowser, Kerrigan, Yoshi

Anyone think we might be underestimating MGS3's effect? Revolver Ocelot got a 2 seed and Big Boss got in period (most likely due to Naked Snake nominations) while Liquid is nowhere to be seen.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

I don't need to even read this topic to know that my bracket is going to be radically different from everyone else.
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Think fast. Click faster.

I'm going to say it right now: Samus vs. Mario is the new FF VII vs. OOT. People want to see ways Mario can win it, but it Just Ain't Happening.
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SpC2K5 First Vote Champion
Congrats to yoblazer, the Guru contest winner!

I have Tidus.

It was hard how I figured that out, and probably leaving me in thin ice.
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Ocelot bombed this spring. HARD. I wouldn't worry too much.
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SC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Link, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Bowser, Kerrigan, Yoshi

Slowflake, I also think if its Ryu vs Snake, Snake is up to a SERIOUS challenge.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

I'm fairly confident that Bowser will take Ryu. I don't think he'll do quite as well as in the villains contest, but I think he'll still have some of that to go on. After that, I have no problem with taking him over Kirby. And Boswer over Snake is looking like a very sexy upset pick to me...

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**Congratulations Naye745: Most closely predicted the release of the Summer Contest 2005 Bracket**

Sigh, might as well.

2002 Rankings

1. Link - 50.00%
2. Sephiroth - 43.35%
3. Mega Man - 42.91%
4. Samus - 41.06%
5. Sonic - 41.04%
6. Mario - 37.47%
7. Crono - 37.43%
8. Cloud - 37.39%
9. Solid Snake - 35.24%
10. Ryu - 34.61%
11. Tidus - 33.80%
12. Aeris - 30.63%
13. Claire - 30.10%
14. Ken - 28.49%
15. Knuckles - 27.69%
16. Jill - 27.37%
17. Kirby - 25.54%
18. Dante - 25.02%
19. Morrigan - 24.87%
20. Squall - 24.36%
21. Strider - 24.23%
22. Scorpion - 24.02%
23. Bomberman - 23.01%
24. Raziel - 22.98%
25. Kasumi - 22.83%
26. Alucard - 22.70%
27. Lara - 21.81%
28. Tails - 20.75%
29. Pac-Man - 20.30%
30. Servbot - 19.40%
31. Fox - 18.98%
32. Ryo - 17.75%
33. Duke - 17.48%
34. Simon - 17.38%
35. Max - 16.64%
36. Crash - 16.02%
37. Spyro the Dragon - 15.77%
38. Little Mac - 15.69%
39. Pikachu - 15.32%
40. Kyo - 15.09%
41. Q*Bert - 15.01%
42. Pitfall Harry - 14.42%
43. Tina - 14.13%
44. PaRappa the Rapper - 13.97%
45. Kazuya - 13.93%
46. Donkey Kong - 13.50%
47. CATS - 13.30%
48. Chop Chop the Onion Master - 13.27%
49. Aya - 13.22%
50. Iori - 13.03%
51. Abe - 12.74%
52. Ulala - 11.78%
53. Gordon - 11.31%
54. Goemon - 11.28%
55. Akira - 10.77%
56. Gabe - 10.64%
57. Bub - 10.27%
58. Guybrush - 10.14%
59. Kane - 10.07%
60. Terry - 9.32%
61. Dirk the Daring - 7.93%
62. Serious Sam - 7.01%
63. Ms. Pac-Man - 6.61%
64. Mr. Driller - 5.78%

2003 Rankings

1. Cloud - 50.00%
2. Link - 48.39%
3. Sephiroth - 48.11%
4. Mega Man - 37.35%
5. Mario - 36.95%
6. Crono - 36.91%
7. Samus - 36.72%
8. Solid Snake - 34.74%
9. Magus - 33.81%
10. Sonic - 33.79%
11. Ganondorf - 33.61%
12. Shadow - 33.18%
13. Tidus - 33.15%
14. Zero - 32.21%
15. Aeris - 31.75%
16. Squall - 30.70%
17. Bowser - 29.97%
18. Ryu - 29.69%
19. Zelda - 29.32%
20. Auron - 27.80%
21. Dante - 27.32%
22. Alucard - 26.67%
23. Yoshi - 26.17%
24. Knuckles - 25.61%
25. Kirby - 25.49%
26. Master Chief - 25.30%
27. Tommy Vercetti - 24.76%
28. Jill - 24.56%
29. Donkey Kong - 24.51%
30. Luigi - 24.43%
31. Scorpion - 23.94%
32. Felix - 23.81%
33. Wario - 23.29%
34. Yuna - 22.89%
35. Sam Fisher - 22.82%
36. KOS-MOS - 22.21%
37. Lara - 22.11%
38. Ramza - 21.59%
39. Sora - 21.17%
40. Ken - 21.01%
41. Tails - 19.75%
42. Bomberman - 18.96%
43. Vyse - 18.43%
44. Isaac - 18.11%
45. Duke - 17.86%
46. Conker - 17.56%
47. Raziel - 17.31%
48. Kite - 17.21%
49. Fox - 16.97%
50. Crash - 16.89%
51. Max - 16.67%
52. Kefka - 15.56%
53. Gordon - 15.35%
54. Pac-Man - 15.27%
55. Ness - 14.94%
56. CATS - 13.09%
57. Ratchet - 12.44%
58. Ryo - 12.21%
59. Raiden - 11.89%
60. Pikachu - 10.63%
61. Tom Nook - 10.48%
62. Captain Olimar - 8.55%
63. AiAi - 8.37%
64. Mr. Resetti - 8.25%

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17 handhelds Nintendo has taken down 1 more to go (see quote for rest)

Okay here are my thoughts. First, I think some matches are easy and people are making way too big of a deal of them.

Thank you. Maybe I'm just biased because I'm gonna be missing like half of the prediction period by being away, but I don't think this bracket is as hard as others say.
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Still, that's when the most awesome things happen: When you don't know what the **** you should do. Life is surprising sometimes... ^_^ -Heroic Metool

Ocelot bombed this spring. HARD. I wouldn't worry too much.

Not nearly as badly as Liquid though. I really only say this because Big Boss got in, and I figure it was mostly because Ceej didn't want to let him in as Naked Snake. I figure Solid Snake might get some help from Snake Eater.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

2004 Rankings

1. Link - 50.00%
2. Cloud - 48.18%
3. Sephiroth - 42.40%
4. Samus - 39.50%
5. Crono - 37.18%
6. Mario - 34.77%
7. Sonic - 33.56%
8. Mega Man - 32.39%
9. Ryu - 29.84%
10. Zero - 28.50%
11. Solid Snake - 27.73%
12. Auron - 27.39%
13. Sora - 26.98%
14. Frog - 26.96%
15. Master Chief - 26.96%
16. Liquid Snake - 26.94%
17. Dante - 25.49%
18. Vivi - 25.23%
19. Squall - 22.92%
20. Tidus - 22.82%
21. KOS-MOS - 22.60%
22. Magus - 22.47%
23. Shadow - 22.45%
24. Knuckles - 22.44%
25. Donkey Kong - 21.96%
26. Tommy Vercetti - 21.75%
27. Tails - 21.72%
28. Ryu Hayabusa - 20.66%
29. Jill - 20.64%
30. Kirby - 20.63%
31. Bowser - 20.41%
32. Viewtiful Joe - 19.63%
33. Scorpion - 19.25%
34. Ness - 19.15%
35. Duke - 19.09%
36. Kefka - 19.09%
37. HK-47 - 18.59%
38. Yoshi - 18.26%
39. Vyse - 17.91%
40. Jak - 17.20%
41. Luigi - 16.62%
42. Max - 16.54%
43. Conker - 16.37%
44. Bomberman - 16.16%
45. Protoman - 16.12%
46. Crash - 15.79%
47. Sam - 15.03%
48. Kain - 14.59%
49. Laharl - 14.25%
50. Lara - 13.91%
51. Gordon - 13.39%
52. Terry - 12.86%
53. CATS - 12.17%
54. Ganondorf - 12.10%
55. Sly - 11.55%
56. JC Denton - 11.44%
57. Earthworm Jim - 11.03%
58. Pac-Man - 10.73%
59. Alucard - 10.37%
60. Ratchet - 10.06%
61. Ryo - 8.62%
62. Luca - 8.52%
63. Guybrush - 6.94%
64. Tanner - 3.16%

2005 Spring Rankings

1. Sephiroth - 50.00%
2. Ganondorf - 41.83%
3. Bowser - 40.50%
4. Diablo - 29.11%
5. Revolver Ocelot - 27.54%
6. M. Bison - 27.43%
7. Kefka - 26.73%
8. Dr. Wily - 25.06%
9. Nemesis - 24.98%
10. Ridley - 24.66%
11. Liquid Snake - 24.08%
12. Ansem - 21.38%
13. Lavos - 21.37%
14. Vergil - 21.19%
15. CATS - 19.65%
16. Dr. Robotnik - 19.54%
17. Mithos - 19.26%
18. Sin - 19.02%
19. Mother Brain - 18.90%
20. Ultros - 18.03%
21. Sigma - 17.76%
22. Albedo - 17.32%
23. Andross - 16.52%
24. Ramirez - 16.30%
25. Wesker - 15.85%
26. Master Hand - 15.83%
27. Ghaleon - 15.07%
28. Kuja - 14.64%
29. Pyramid Head - 13.08%
30. Luca Blight - 12.76%
31. Giygas - 12.57%
32. Officer Tenpenny - 9.89%

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17 handhelds Nintendo has taken down 1 more to go (see quote for rest)

I believe Bowser > Tidus > Ryu, but they're all close. Damn...that's evil.

Tidus'll probably bomb again though.
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Final Sp2K5 Score: 70 points. Yoblazer pwned me harder than Link in a match versus Tanner.

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Kakashi The Shoeman: Donald Rumsfeld of the UltimaterializerX Board 8 Regime, and holder of the only Zero Bracket in a Gamfaqs Contest

I love this bracket, I just wanted to say that again.

I finally went ahead and predicted it, and there are plenty of spots to mess up. Absolutely amazing bracket. After going through everything, Squall over Magus seemed like a really good potential upset pick if Magus isn't as high as the stats say for whatever reason... same thing with Vincent.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

I got Tidus over Kirby for safety's sake, because Kirby's near the floor of Tidus' range, but after that it's anyone's ball game.

Can't wait til I get the BOP started.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

I fully agree, this may be the best bracket CJayC has ever done, period. Is there any way to let him know that?
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

Heh, looks like the tiebreaker isn't from the ToC. Never would have guessed that.
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Think fast. Click faster.

Tiebreaker Clarification
From: CJayC | Posted: 6/29/2005 12:59:14 AM | Message Detail
Just to clarify for those who already got their bracket in, the tiebreaker is for the number of votes the victor receives in the main bracket, not the Tournament of Champions.

Good to know.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

Tiebreaker Clarification
From: CJayC | Posted: 6/29/2005 12:59:14 AM | Message Detail
Just to clarify for those who already got their bracket in, the tiebreaker is for the number of votes the victor receives in the main bracket, not the Tournament of Champions.

I was actually wondering about that.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

I personally have Ryu over Bowser and Tidus over Ryu, it breaks my heart having Bowser losing in round 2 where he could be in round 4.
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17 handhelds Nintendo has taken down 1 more to go (see quote for rest)

Well, good to know. I shaved off over 10000 votes from it... not only would Samus/Crono draw less votes than Link/Sephiroth, but it'd be much closer, as well.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

I dont know, but he is the man. There is SO LITTLE FODDER. I generally took Ness as the last character who wasnt fodder, so 24 fodder characters.

This contest has Wesker, Yuri, Manny, Agent 47, King of all Cosmos, CATS, Sam Fisher, Geno, Jin, Vyse, Conker, Gordon Freeman, Laharl, and Pac-Man as sure fire fodder. Thats only 15

Ones that could go either way: Joanna Dark, Kratos (God of War), Cecil, Big Boss, and Kerrigan could go either way.

At worst case, there is 20 fodder, at best 16. And no fodder vs fodder matches.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

And there's that talk of underperforming against Megaman...

Talk of OVER-performing, yes. UNDER-performing though? I missed out on this one if it ever took place.....

I shaved off over 10000 votes from it

I shaved 7,000, myself.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

Geno might not actually be fodder, but Squall might make him look like it.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

Well, gotta go to sleep. See ya tomorrow... when the BOP begins!
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

Yes, you missed out on it.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

Vincent is going to win the Devil Division. There's no way I'm taking Magus after all the talk I gave before and he's got a good chance at doing so.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

I've got Squall in each and every bracket I made, and I ain't lookin' back.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

and me being against you have him losing to Dante, which is a good sub for Zelda after his new game.
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17 handhelds Nintendo has taken down 1 more to go (see quote for rest)

One last item with Bowser > Snake, if Gannon's adjustments in 2k4 are correct (which they look to be), and Snake's are correct, then Bowser beats Snake based off of SpC2k5 stats between Bowser and Ganon with a common opponent.

But really Im not going to talk about it much more since I might change it anyway.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Despite talk I've made before about Vincent, he's a good choice for winning the division. I just think Magus is probably a better choice, heh.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

Oh man, that's right, I got mixed up. Vivi/Zelda is going to be EVIL.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

from RPGuy's stats:

4 Samus Aran 39.11
5 Mega Man 38.63
6 Crono 38.44
7 Mario 37.94

That projects Samus to beat Mario 51.5-48.5. Do you really think that Mario can't make up 1.5% against one of his own?

And damn, can you imagine Mario/Crono 4 as the final? All hell could break loose.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Good, the less who take Squall, the better...
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

Magus > Dante > Vincent > Kerrigan

Go me.
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Final Sp2K5 Score: 70 points. Yoblazer pwned me harder than Link in a match versus Tanner.

I've also got Squall over Magus. And I'm pretty confident about it. Dante over Squall/Vincent worries me more.
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Raiden fact of the contest: Alucard is a plagiarist, this year Raiden will prove it!

Ulti, he couldnt SFF Link who should share more of a fanbase than Samus. Hell Samus/Link have more fanbase sharing in my opinion than Mario and either of them.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Picking Dante to win the division SHOULD worry you.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

I am definitely considering Squall over Magus, but for the time being I have Magus winning that and losing to Vincent.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

I'm overestimating Devil May Cry 3... or am I?
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Raiden fact of the contest: Alucard is a plagiarist, this year Raiden will prove it!

I didnt think DMC 3 did well at all compared to the original.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

That projects Samus to beat Mario 51.5-48.5. Do you really think that Mario can't make up 1.5% against one of his own?

I'd take Samus to SFF Mario, rather than the other way around, because this is GameFAQs and things like that are possible here. What is clear to me is that Mario/Samus will indirectly decide the contest. If Mario wins, Crono will win it all. If Samus wins, she will go on to win it all.

And damn, can you imagine Mario/Crono 4 as the final? All hell could break loose.

I doubt it. Crono would win with relative ease.

Magus > Dante > Vincent > Kerrigan

Correct.

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I thought it was widely regarded as the game that made Devil May Cry Devil May Cry again...? IE much closer to the first in quality than the second. Am I wrong?
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Raiden fact of the contest: Alucard is a plagiarist, this year Raiden will prove it!

Magus > Dante > Vincent > Kerrigan

Ah, that's hilarious. Dante over Vincent? I can't wait for you to see otherwise.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

Well, Vergil didn't do too badly during the spring (if it's any indication of DMC3's impact), but I wouldn't pick Dante to win his division, hell I could see him losing to Terra.

...Heh, figures Ceej would give the hardest division a fitting name again... Chaos, Ruin, and now Devil.
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The King of all Cosmos' route to summer victory:
Round 1: (4) Tidus... LET ME DREAM :

Heh, the Dream Division has more at stake, if you ask me. The winner of that division could conceivably upset Snake.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

If I had been told that a bracket could feature two candidates from FF7 in the final four before the contest, I would have shrugged. Never would have guessed who the two would be though.
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Think fast. Click faster.

I just noticed that the dream division could potentially... *FFX SPOILERS*





...be won by a dream >_>
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The King of all Cosmos' route to summer victory:
Round 1: (4) Tidus... LET ME DREAM :

Yeah, I noticed that, too. It'd be fitting if Tidus did win...
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

Tifa has no shot of beating Sonic. Sonic handled Aeris fairly well and I cant see Tifa being that much greater than Aeris before AC.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Meh, my character contest brackets are always loaded with "upsets"... sad thing is this time I didn't even try to make upsets. I couldn't really afford to.
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Raiden fact of the contest: Alucard is a plagiarist, this year Raiden will prove it!

Maybe the BOP would disagree, but right now the only two upsets I see with mine are Bowser/Snake and Cloud/Link.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

I think I might have too many upsets for my own good...
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

Sonic will upset Megaman. I gurantee it.

Tifa has no shot of beating Sonic. Sonic handled Aeris fairly well and I cant see Tifa being that much greater than Aeris before AC.

I think both Tifa and Vincent are going to be stronger than Aeris. But I still wouldn't take Tifa over Sonic. His little jump last year prevents me from thinking she stands a chance at winning that one.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

from RPGuy's stats:

4 Samus Aran 39.11
5 Mega Man 38.63
6 Crono 38.44
7 Mario 37.94

That projects Samus to beat Mario 51.5-48.5. Do you really think that Mario can't make up 1.5% against one of his own?

It's not farfetched if you believe those stats, but I don't. In the actual 2004 stats, Samus is expected to get 55.99% against Mario.

And damn, can you imagine Mario/Crono 4 as the final? All hell could break loose.

I agree that would be awesome... especially if Crono won by a narrow margin.
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SpC2K5 First Vote Champion
Congrats to yoblazer, the Guru contest winner!

If that were to happen, that would be the only match to have occured in all four character contests, since Knux/Snake 4 is pretty much an impossibility.
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The world is toroidal

It upsets me to think that Knuckles will end his streak of winning a match every contest this year.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

Yep, thank goodness there isn't going to be another Knux VS. Snake. I'm glad that the only way a Crono VS. Mario can happen again is if it's in the final, too. I wouldn't mind seeing that final though, but I'd like to see Mario be 3-1.
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VOTE FOR YOSHI
You have no chance to survive make your time.

At least he doesn't lose to Snake again. :-)
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SIG

Knuckles always gets screwed. 3 years against Snake and now he gets Magus Round 1?

I wonder if Ceej just has a natural hatred for him.
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Moltar's Comics - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar (GAC)
Final Sp2K5 Score: 70 points. Yoblazer pwned me harder than Link in a match versus Tanner.

I suddenly want Knux/Snake IV
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Trainer: Clinkeroth, do mega fanboy attack!
Clinkeroth: CLINKEROTH! ~Pibb of Truth

You know, the only characters who could fall victim to the 3 seed curse this year are Kratos and Kefka.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

But in an 8 man division, the 3 seed is only expected to lose 1 match, thus the chances for 3 seed slip-up are minimal at best >_>

And if we believe Spring, it's the 2 seeds that gotta watch it.
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Trainer: Clinkeroth, do mega fanboy attack!
Clinkeroth: CLINKEROTH! ~Pibb of Truth

the 3 seed is only expected to lose 1 match

No kidding.

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

Glad to see that Knuckles will be getting beaten by Magus instead of Snake this time around.

And where is all of this Squall > Magus stuff coming from? Squall doesn't stand a chance.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Squall got what, 55% on Kirby? He has no chance against Magus.
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Moltar's Comics - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar (GAC)
Final Sp2K5 Score: 70 points. Yoblazer pwned me harder than Link in a match versus Tanner.

Plus Squall nearly lost it to Luigi, Magus has it in the bag.
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Today's subliminal thought is:

Magus would be expected to beat Squall with an oustanding 54.59%. There's good enough reason to consider an upset, unless you believe ~55% is a killing.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

And Squall is going to magically get 5% stronger since last year? KH2 hype, I presume?
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Moltar's Comics - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar (GAC)
Final Sp2K5 Score: 70 points. Yoblazer pwned me harder than Link in a match versus Tanner.

My upset picks right now consist of Bowser over Snake and Vincent over Squall. There is a LOT of room between Aeris and Magus/Squall, and there's no way I see Vincent being that much weaker than Aeris.
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For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to refer to Gordon Freeman versus Tanner as Schrodinger's Match. -Phoenix Flattener

okay, now that I've had a chance to read the 500 posts in here (amazing how a bracket can stimulate conversation), some thoughts:

the Dream division is freaking brutal. I started out with Ryu > Tidus, then Tidus > Ryu, and now Bowser > Tidus. and I'm not even sure about Tidus > Kirby. (how the hell did Kirby get a 1 seed?)

I'm still having a hard time believing that an optional character (Vincent) is as strong as board 8 thinks. FF7 or not, he's still an optional character.

Vivi/Zelda is the greatest Final Fantasy vs. The Legend of Zelda match you could ask for. I want to pick Vivi so bad, but it's tough to go against Zelda. I want to take Zelda over Snake, but I'm just not daring enough to do that.

if Snake makes the final four, he'll have earned it - Zelda/Vivi and then Bowser. I want to take Bowser over Snake, but I'm just not sure yet.

Zidane is going to get obliterated by Crono. we're still not going to have a clue as to how strong he is. this is the only match of this bracket that I just don't like.

other than that, this is a great bracket. my only other complaint is that my two favourite characters in it, Yuri and King of all Cosmos, are going to get decimated. but they'd get decimated by just about anyone.

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Yes more on the Bowser over Snake bandwagon.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Actually Magus is going to "magically" become weaker. Seriously, look at Fisher. Just look at him.

Damn it Fisher, that's ten % too many.
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Raiden fact of the contest: Alucard is a plagiarist, this year Raiden will prove it!

Food for thought: everyone always worried we'd get more than three characters from FF7 in one bracket. Now we end up with four characters from one game - FF10. Odd how these things work out.
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SIG

I think we will have a good idea with Zidane, since Old School Square and New School Square dont seem to SFF each other.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Brief me real quick, since I think I'm missing something; what matches do we have, exactly, to assume old FF and new FF don't SFF each other?
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

Seph/Auron? Cloud/Squall?

All I can remember right now. I'm tired.
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Moltar's Comics - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar (GAC)
Final Sp2K5 Score: 70 points. Yoblazer pwned me harder than Link in a match versus Tanner.

Not to jump on HM's coat tails, but Vincent is a whole hell of a lot stronger than you guys think he is. There's a reason why Cloud looks like Vincent in Kingdom Hearts, and I would easily pin Vincent as the third strongest character in the game. Ahead of Aeris and Tifa, in that order.

Dante doesn't stand a chance.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Am I the only one on the Kirby > Tidus, Ryu > Bowser, Ryu > Kirby, Snake > Ryu wagon? This Dream division is really turning out to be a nightmare.

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Lunatic Under Narcotic Influence
I got pwned by Yoblazer in the Guru Contest

I bet I'm one of the few who put Zero > Mario in my bracket. With round 3 I'm expecting a similar picture to what was seen in last year's famous rematch!
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Think fast. Click faster.

CT/FFVII
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

I thought new-school was FF7 and up though. Either way, whether they generally do or not, I think it's still gonna be a safe bet the hero from CT is goin' to SFF the hero from FF9 in this case. I've head more praise on Crono than I have on Zidane, and CT's got a much larger fanbase here than FF9.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

And Squall is going to magically get 5% stronger since last year? KH2 hype, I presume?

We'll ignore SFF that could favor Squall and the potential decrease for Magus. After all, he was simply adjusted to his 2003 level last year. It's fine if you disagree with this stuff, but to wonder where the Squall picks are coming from is rather foolish. There's good reason in there to choose him for an upset, it's just a matter of whether or not you're willing to take it.

It's not a bad pick by any means.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

As for Vincent, I REALLY want to put him over Magus but.... I can't. I love his character and FF7, but he just hasn't proved himself yet. Enough to make me put him ahead of Magus. That would be a great upset pick though.

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Lunatic Under Narcotic Influence
I got pwned by Yoblazer in the Guru Contest

Zelda has a bigger fanbase than FFIX and Link is a stronger character than Zidane. Is there SFF there?
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

I'm glad you understand how it goes, Ulti. =)

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

Zero lost to Sonic with 47.66% in 2k3, and Mario's arguably stronger than Sonic. Furthermore, Mario's had several more games since then, most would which I would guess are more popular than the games Zero has had since then. It's nothing short of unlikely that Zero'll upset Mario.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

Seph/Auron and Cloud/Squall are both new FF vs new FF. Cloud and Squall are on the same system. I don't think we have any real evidence that new school FF can't SFF old-school - the closest is CT vs FF VII from the spring contest.
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SpC2K5 First Vote Champion
Congrats to yoblazer, the Guru contest winner!

Well, I just made my first (and hopefully only) bracket change since I filled it out. Don't fail me, Busty St. Claire.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

Okay maybe I need to word it differently. No reason to think that Zidane's stats will be unusuable since at the moment there is no proof that SFF exists between Old School and New School.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Zelda has a bigger fanbase than FFIX and Link is a stronger character than Zidane. Is there SFF there?

Switch FFIX/Zidane with any Donkey Kong game/DK himself, and yes. Otherwise, of course not; why would there be? Zidane and Crono's from the same company and genre though, therefore, there very well could be. Add to it Crono and CT are signifigantly more popular than Zidane and FF9, and that's why I assume there'll be SFF.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

I would definitely expect to see some SFF between Crono and Zidane.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

well, if no SFF happens, and Zidane is approximately equal to Vivi, what would he get on Crono?

if he breaks 30%, I'll be amazed.
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Well Nintendo fans are Nintendo fans there isnt the split like there is in Square fans.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

If Zidane = Vivi and there was no SFF, Crono would be expected to get 66.08%.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

So if that's the argument being used...

1) How many situations have we had the chance to see if there's new/old-school Square SFF? Few/none (CT/FF7 is the only one I can think of, and it's unproven).
2) Would you not take Sephiroth to SFF Magus/Kefka, even a minor amount (minor but noticable)?
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

Well how minor? There was a level to SFF with Link/Mario but we have no clue what it is. Could Sephiroth gain Mega Man/Link type SFF (which I dont even think exists to that extreme)? Potentially, but it could go either way.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

http://img175.echo.cx/img175/5269/bracket17ow.jpg
http://img163.echo.cx/img163/9095/bracket26bb.jpg

For the hell of it, there's my bracket.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

HM, we disagree on four matches.

Ganon/Auron
Zelda/Vivi
Vincent/Magus
Kefka/Tommy

But still those are four matches that could go either way.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Magus will beat Vincent, but I think that will be verrry close.

Also, Crono > Samus makes me :/
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"And you shall shed tears of scarlet" –Vicious (Cowboy Bebop)

Nevermind, Five. I have Samus over Crono too.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Enough SFF for it to be just outside reasonable variance from match-to-match/year-to-year (I think it's common for that to be 1.5%, though I'm not sure).
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

I just dont think Zidane's stats will be totally unusuable. I think we could get some kind of indication where he is.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Vincent is sorta comparable to Magus, ya know...both optional characters that happen to be the bad*** (*cough*) of their own games. And you know which game is stronger.

Oh, and the expectations for Tidus are higher than I thought. Well, I'm sticking with my own beliefs/theories of last year... which resulted in Tidus > Ryu > Bowser. Then again, I'm most worried about Bowser, as he hasn't been measured well since 2003, and he looked awful good this spring (but difficult measure) I have Tidus over Snake, which looks wrong, but an upset's an upset...

For Sora/Alucard...I have Sora winning. They're both close to the stats in the first place, but Alucard's being placed higher is based on a rather risky theory. Plus...if their relationship to each other changed popularity-wise I'd have to give the advantage to Sora...

Wish I could say more...it's way too late already and I've got work in the morning. Later.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Vincent is sorta comparable to Magus, ya know...both optional characters that happen to be the bad*** (*cough*) of their own games. And you know which game is stronger.

The difference being Magus is prominent in his game either way. And he's a lot easier to get as playable.
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

I've never even seen Vincent - I basically have no idea what he looks like. Magus, however, you can't not see.

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The difference being Magus is prominent in his game either way. And he's a lot easier to get as playable.

Now throw in that FFVII is far more popular here than Chrono Trigger and that greatly evens out.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

I've never even seen Vincent - I basically have no idea what he looks like. Magus, however, you can't not see.

You, my friend, are one of the very few who have played FFVII, have access to the Internet, and have never seen Vincent.

http://img57.echo.cx/img57/4812/vincentvalentine8pr.jpg

Someone from KH looks strikingly similar to that.


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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

better yet, I've played FF7 like five times.

I just don't care about optional characters. I've never gotten Yuffie, either.

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oh, and Kuja wants his shoes back.

(and yes, I know FF7 came first)

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Damn, those are some loooooooooooooong legs on Vincent. Did he have some basketball player's limbs grafted onto his midget torso or something?
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The opinions expressed above are not necessarily those of my employer, not necessarily mine, and probably not necessary.

And where is all of this Squall > Magus stuff coming from? Squall doesn't stand a chance.

Is that so? Have you noticed that characters who have been measured through Magus don't end up seeming as strong when they're measured independently from him? Let's look at Sam Fisher for a second. Magus failed to double him up, someone Samus quadrupled and took a large dive in the stats. Then you see that Squall got 64.71% on Bomberman, and would you take Fisher over him? I really hope not.

Then let's look at Luca Blight. It's bad enough that he gets quadrupled by Magus on his own. Then comes the Spring Contest. He lost 60/40 to Wesker, who then went on to lose to Kefka by even more than Luca himself would have been expected to lose. Yes, people keep wanting to blame that on Angel Kefka, but I say it's more of a result of overestimation of Luca Blight. He turned out to be much weaker than we thought, much like Sam Fisher.

We can even look at Tidus. His position in the 2004 stats may be questionable, but if it IS accurate, then that also brings into question the position of Magus. Keeping him in the same proportion to Tidus would drop Magus below Squall. Tidus fell 10% short of expectations against Mega Man. It may be a fluke, or it may be a warning sign.

Heck, we can even draw a little bit from Ganondorf. He underperformed by 3% off of expectations against Alucard. I know we've "officially" blamed that on Sephiroth overperforming in 2003, but if we don't, Ganondorf actually falls into almost exactly the same proportion to Bowser (who is slightly below Squall) as he had in the Villains Contest.

Squall has no chance? I beg to differ, my friend.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

Leonhart just argued beautifully...though my reasoning for Squall-over-Magus being possible was nothing more than saying this: lead from a new-school Square game VS "villain" from an old-school Square game. Obviously, that alone isn't enough to reason for the upset, but that stood out to me as I saw the match in the bracket.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

Well, one thing Squall has to deal with that a lot of characters may not have to deal with is hate. A lot of Square fans despise Final Fantasy VIII with a burning passion. Against a "beloved" character like Magus, getting the SFF may not be easy.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

I'm scared of Squall/Magus, for three reasons:

a.) heroes > villains, even half-villains like Magus;
b.) a lot of people will anti-vote Squall;
c.) CT > FF8.

I'm not sure whether to believe a or b/c. for now I've got Magus, but I might change.


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I'll never understand the whole deal with Magus and being a villain.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

Reluctant hero > Ambiguous anti-hero
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

As an outsider on the FF8 fanbase, it's seemed like Squall-hate is outdone by FF8 hate...and both have seemed to go down since KH came out (I've heard it be said alot that Leonhart's role in the game redeemed Squall). I'm not saying it's not there though; it just seems less and less like a factor to cost him much (though it wouldn't take much to possibly sway this match).
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

I just now noticed that not including Sora and Riku, there are fifteen Square characters in this bracket if you count Cloud and Sephy. 17 if you add in the Kingdom Hearts duo.

Over 25% of the bracket is Square. Damn.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Yeah, Kingdom Hearts helped Squall out immensely, which is part of the reason he received the biggest boost out of it. Don't know why it suddenly changed minds about him. He wasn't any different, other than character design.

Plus, he was "disc 3" Squall, which people claim to be when they either began to hate him or gave up hope on him. Doesn't make any sense to me.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

well, you really can't separate the two. someone who hates FF8 will almost definitely hate Squall.

that said, FF8 isn't as hated as it seems... just that the haters are very vocal. FF8's been #2 on the PS1 FAQs for a long time, and occasionally it breaks into the top 50 overall.

you don't see as much FF9 hate as you do FF8, but I'd pick Squall > Zidane without thinking twice about it.

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That's a good thing, though. =p

Oh, and someone tell me where Diablo ranked in on the all-time stats. I might be tempted to do something...

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

Zidane's not really all that well-liked by the FF fanbase himself. Still, Final Fantasy VIII's hate is offset by a lot of people who love it to death (such as myself).
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

Squall wouldn't have any trouble taking care of Zidane.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

I might be tempted to do something...

He isn't beating Sonic.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

He isn't beating Sonic.

...

Really? That one isn't obvious or anything.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

Ulti beat me to it. Furthermore, Kratos is unlikely to beat him (though certainly not impossible). That's probably what he's contemplating.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

I think he's talking more about being tempted to take Kratos over Diablo.

For the record, based on 2004 Sephiroth, Diablo's practically equal to Yoshi. If he dropped around Samus's level (just for kicks), Diablo is just below KOS-MOS.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

Of course I'm referring to Kratos. I believe Diablo was around 24% or so in the stats, but I wanted to see his actual ranking instead of relying on what I remember seeing.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

Thanks, Leonhart.

I'll now proceed to take Kratos since Diablo is not in either of those extremes.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

Just to throw it out there, the match he lost to Ganon is the only match he didn't get any linkage from diabloii.net; you may want to consider that he may generally be a lil' stronger than what's been said already.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

I've been struggling with Kratos/Diablo all day. everyone seems to take Diablo as a given, but TOS is quite popular on this site, so I'm torn.
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I thought about taking Kratos myself, but I decided to go with the safe pick in Diablo since he tore me up in the Spring.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

Just to throw it out there, the match he lost to Ganon is the only match he didn't get any linkage from diabloii.net

There was a notice telling people the dates and who Diablo was going to face.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

Ask yourself if you really think Kratos would do 10% better than Mithos on Sephiroth.
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

that notice was written a good week before the match. I doubt many people said 'oh, it's (whatever day it was)! better go vote for Diablo!'
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Right...for the divisional championships. Not for the semi-finals, where Diablo lost.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

Ask yourself if you really think Kratos would do 10% better than Mithos on Sephiroth.

...Hell ****ing yes.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

Not for the semi-finals, where Diablo lost.

There was a link on the front page telling people that he would face Ganon and if he won that Sephiroth and the dates he would be up. Saying he had no link to help him is simply wrong. It wasn't brand-new once the match started, but there was a link up.

And Diablo would have lost regardless.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

that notice was written a good week before the match. I doubt many people said 'oh, it's (whatever day it was)! better go vote for Diablo!'

...If they are frequent visitors of diabloii.net they would see the news on the front page. It isn't as though they read it once and then put it into memory that they must go to GameFAQs that day to vote.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

dunno about you, but when I see that the news hasn't been updated, I don't re-read it. if there was a new headline telling people to go vote, though, I would read that and have voted.

Diablo still would have lost, but he would have been closer; assuming that diabloii.net does the same for this contest, it's possible he's underrated (and therefore his division) by the x-stats.

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Best Villain Vote - Flux [7:38:PST]

Since several helpful readers have mailed in the schedule for the upcoming GameFAQs Best Villain votes, and I'm going to be out of town until next week, here they are. The only one we're much concerned with takes place Sunday, when Diablo is up again, battling Kefka, a bad guy from one of the innumerable Final Fantasy games. I'd make the joke about "How can there be more than one 'final' fantasy?" but we've all heard it before, and it wasn't funny then either.

May 27th - Bowser vs Ocelot
May 28th - Sephiroth vs Liquid Snake
May 29th - Kefka vs Diablo
May 30th - Ganondorf vs Robotnik -- (Winner goes against Diablo/Kefka in semi-finals.)


You mixed up Sephiroth/Ganon with Ganon/Kefka. Anyways though, he still definitely would have lost; I'm just saying that he should likely get a lil' extra credit than the stats show. How much, your guess is as good as mine, but it'd be worth your consideration. Plus, should the match turn out to be real close, Diablo will have the online advantage of b.net, something that's worth fearing.

Kratos is a nice pick, I'm just saying consider it all.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

Plus, should the match turn out to be real close, Diablo will have the online advantage of b.net, something that's worth fearing.

Battle.net has never been something to fear. It has and always will be the fansites that do that.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

Crap, now I'm in a delicate conundrum...To switch or not to switch.

I'm glad I entered my favorites bracket first so I can fiddle with my serious bracket and still have a chance at the leaderboard...
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

dunno about you, but when I see that the news hasn't been updated, I don't re-read it. if there was a new headline telling people to go vote, though, I would read that and have voted.

If you're going to check to see if there's a new headline, it isn't as though you wouldn't run across an old in the process. And seeing something that tells you to vote for the character the site supports doesn't require reading the entire news headline again. There was a link up on the website during the match, it simply was not newly there for the match at hand.

Even it if were, the difference that Diablo would have done better would have been negligible. There was never anything to suggest that the link played a big role in any of his matches to begin with. He was simply a monster during the day time and he won most of his matches by margins that weren't nailbiters.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

Fansites are responsible for the main part of the boost, yes, but battle.net almost certainly could be the deciding factor in the closer matches...so I believe, anyways.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

The only time I could see battle.net ever being a factor is when the match is within a few hundred votes of going the other way.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

With Diablo and Kratos possibly being that close together, that few hundred votes may be all it takes. Personally, I don't think Kratos is close enough to Diablo to make that necessary (though not impossible), but it could also be close like that.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

Testing out sig...
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 1: (7) Geno

Whoever wins it should be by more than a few hundred votes.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

In a match where it's uncertain who'll win, I don't plan to say it's unlikely for it to be within several hundred votes.

Ah well, take it or leave it; it's all good...I'm off to bed now though. G-nite ya'll.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

Whew.... finally caught up. I've been trying to catch up with the stats topics for the last 2 and a half hours. I also filled my bracket in. There are a lot of things that I like and hate about the bracket, but they've all been touched in the topics. The best thing I like about this bracket is that it gives a LOT of characters a chance to clarify their strengths. Even IF a lot of characters will go down in the first round, it all measures up beautifully. What I DON'T like is some of the new characters getting shafted (mainly Terra, Chun Li, and Zidane).
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Alright, so can someone explain to me why Solid Snake is a mortal lock to come out of his division? It seems to me that Vivi, Zelda, and Sora should all be capable of matching Frog, at the very least.
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I'm seriously considering Zelda > Snake. I think Vivi/Snake would be very close, too.

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Snake's match against Frog was a fluke. My main concern is Snake vs Bowser. I'm really tempted to pick Bowser to win.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

I've got Bowser for the win, though I've changed it twice already.

if Snake gets to the final four this time, it'll be tough for anyone to say he's not "noble nine" material.

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The only reason I even picked Snake was Metal Gear Solid 3.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

I agree with those that say it should have been Link/Sephiroth and Cloud/Sp2K5 champ (I'm assuming people have said this...I only read a few pages of response in the last topic, and none in this one).

Still, this is unquestionably the best bracket ever. Kudos to the CJayC off the Jeff to the Veasey.

This bracket is extremely difficult. I don't think anyone's coming wihtin a point of perfection here...just too many highly uncertain matches.

Frog won't make it past the 2nd round...<sigh>.

Cecil made it. Cool. As did Terra. Though IMO Terra is being overrated around here.

Lloyd a 2-seed? Wesker makes it? Laharl made it again? Surprising.

Kratos/Alucard/Sora is real intriguing. As is Kefka/Tommy. Auron/Ganon...wow. That's not a gimme. Bowser/Ryu...damn. Magus/Squall...oh boy. Tidus/Bowser and Vincent/Dante/Squall/Magus and Sonic/Tifa and Snake/Tidus/Bowser...****!

Zidane is getting trounced...but it won't just be because of SFF. Too bad that Zidane people now have an excuse.

Vincent, Tifa, and Kerrigan all make it. Awesome!

Oh, and Kerrigan will get owned :)
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Creative, assuming a 42.4% Xst value for Sephiroth, what is Bowser's Spring 2005 Xst value? I don't know how to adjust.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

I now will give a few of my major thoughts on the bracket:

Mushroom Division
CJ: At first I put Ness over CJ, but I changed my mind. I don't care for Ness OR Earthbound at all. I even chose Jak last year more out of spite for EB than me actually thinking Jak would win (cost me a prize). Anyways, there are two things that stand out about CJ.
- #1: even though GTA:San Andreas is more popular than GTA:Vie City, it doesn't mean that it's characters automatically will be more popular. Hell, it's not like Vice City is a slouch. Both games are extremely popular, so the total amount of sales wouldn't matter much anyways. Both games bring/have brought a large amount of traffic to GameFAQS. This being said, this leads to
- #2: I don't think that CJ is as appealing a character as Tommy Vercetti. Think about it. On GameFAQS, a mobster should be much more popular than a gangsta. The mob is just more appealing overall. Conker has weasels that act like mobsters. That's cool. If Conker had weasels acting like gangstas, I don't think the same would hold up. So I would think that Vercetti > CJ. HOWEVER, even with that being said, Ness is still a weak bastard. Even IF CJ is much weaker than Vercetti, there is still a big enough gap between Vercetti and Ness for CJ to fit in. And I still could be wrong and CJ could end up being STRONGER than Vercetti.... CJ wins this.

Ryu H: Well, he's back so I get my wishes. I hope he gets a Ninja Gaiden outfit (Ceej has no excuse... Ryu even has his Ninja Gaiden outfit IN DOA:Ultimate), so then we can see if it has any effect on his strength. Nonetheless, I'm a big Ryu fan, but Zero is my third fav character PERIOD. I just hope Ryu can give a better showing than he did last contest. But Zero all the way baby!

Zebes Division
Nothing really of note to say BRACKETWISE, but I have a general comment about Ganondorf. PLEASE take the voter pool into consideration. I can assure you that voter pool had a LOT more to do with Seph and the others doing so well in 2k3 than "KHF". That being said, even though Ganondorf did much better than Mario against Sephy, it doesn't mean him and Bowser have got something on Mario. And it has nothing to do with it being a villain contest either. I'm fairly certain the two would have performed similar in 2k4 had they not been set up. And it's not like we had a whole lot of data on the two, especially Bowser. Look who he ran into in 2k3... The voter pool changes all the time. Just take into consideration WHO is coming to GameFAQS at that particular point in time. It might work wonders.

Gear Division
Zelda: Well, she's back and she has a HUGE game on the horizon. And from the looks of it, that game might bring her a lot more fans, at least by what the official artwork and what we know about the game hint at. Zelda, carrying a sword? Potentially kicking ass in this game? Are we on the verge of a Zelda popularity explosion? Probably not.... but she still has a lot of upside. Vivi is another one of my favs, but I still think that Zelda can take this. DK she is not...

Dream Division
Bowser: This is Bowser's time to prove that his showing in the villain contest was no fluke. Nuff said....
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Flood Division
Tommy Vercetti: I initially was thinking that with the release of San Andreas, Tommy Vercetti's popularity would decline. But then I thought to myself, why would GTA fans all of a sudden FORGET about Tommy and stop liking him? Sure there is a new game whoring all of the attention, but it doesn't mean they still wouldn't support Tommy. ESPECIALLY against Kefka, who I let bite me in my ass during the spring contest with all the downtalk about how Diablo wouldn't be much even though I KNEW he was taking the division.

Devil Division
Vincent: That Squall/Magus just convinced me of something. I agree that Magus may not be as strong as he seems... Even IF his match against Link is legit, I have come up with a revelation... Vincent probably would do the same thing. Even though I'm not a big fan of his... people DO like Vincent. And even IF some people claim not to know him or that he might not be strong because he is an "optional" character, you HAVE to look at what game he is from. With Dirge of Cerberus and Advent Children on the horizon, all of those FFVII fans HAVE to be paying attention. They KNOW who Vincent is. He will be a force to reckon with in this contest.

Oh yeah... I hope Knuckles sticks it to Magus, even if he loses. Knux is my FAV character and I refuse to see him go down without fighting.

Chaos Division
Tifa: I'm glad to see Tifa in. Sonic is my SECOND fav character, but I wouldn't even mind if he lost to Tifa since it wouldn't be a knock on Sonic at all. It would just show how strong Tifa is, ESPECIALLY since Sonic already BEAT Aeris. I'm just want to see if Tifa > Aeris. (I hope so...)

20XX Division
Meh... GFNW?
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

But then I thought to myself, why would GTA fans all of a sudden FORGET about Tommy and stop liking him?

Because Vice City was a game-of-the-moment.

I don't think Tommy really has staying power.
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Actually wait a sec, I assume you divide 36.34% (2004 Snake's projection versus 2004 Sephiroth) into 40.45% (Bowser's Spring 2005 score on Sephiroth), then multiply it by 50?

That leaves 2004 Snake as being projected to score 44.92% on Spring 2005 Bowser. That's a large gap for Snake to make up even with MGS3, and MGS characters have been bombing ever since 2002.

Extremely intriguing match, Snake versus Bowser is.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

I'll say this again, assuming that Tommy will be abandoned because of SA is insane. He may not have staying power, but Kefka will likely get the lettuce pick against Vercetti in the match. I have Vercetti winning for those two reasons alone.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

*MGS3 spoilers*








Big Boss being in this contest leads me to believe that Snake won't be getting a boost from MGS3 at all. He isn't in the game, and MGS fans are smart enough to realize this despite the main character having the same design and the same voice. It'll be close, but I think Bowser actually has the advantage.









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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

The fun part of the contest is discussing all of these close matches, then having everybodies bracket being blown away by the complete unforseen. Bowser > Snake will be a common casual pick but probably not as high as the "good brackets" going into the match. It'll be interesting.

I'm rooting for Samus.. Just pray Samus didn't overperform. I think she can do it, Mario's last efforts haven't been too hot.

The one thing that concerns me about Zelda is her 2k3 match against Lara...she has the same problem as Magus does, in the sense that what Samus did last year makes them look far less impressive.
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Bowser over Snake is a very good pick.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

No... Ryu over Snake is a better pick.
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"Once you become as powerful as me, your have to take care of small time pests." - Saddler
"SADDLER, YOU'RE SMALL TIME!" - Leon, RE4

What is a Guru ? and what purpose do they serve?
What do those that sign the Guru list do?

And umm is there still time to sign up?
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"Truly,if there is evil in this world,
it lies within the heart of mankind."-Dhaos

Snake not making it out of his division = ballsiest pick. Whether or not it's the right one...we'll see.
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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO "CATS" Cats

Why would Ryu beat Bowser? It's not like Sp2k5 indicated a decrease on Bowser's part, and Bowser was already somewhat stronger than Ryu.

Hmm, I just think Ryu can do it... and the only tthing I have to base that off of is the SFAC...
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"Once you become as powerful as me, your have to take care of small time pests." - Saddler
"SADDLER, YOU'RE SMALL TIME!" - Leon, RE4

Huh? SC2k4 stats show Ryu a bit ahead of Bowser.
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Oh, and aren't Ryu and Bowser somewhat equal in the X-Stats?
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"Once you become as powerful as me, your have to take care of small time pests." - Saddler
"SADDLER, YOU'RE SMALL TIME!" - Leon, RE4

Elite Eight
Mario/Samus: Like I said in Ulti's poll: It's perfectly okay to think that people like Samus better than Mario. Who has Nintendo placed the focus on recently? Who has been surging in contest popularity? Who is more appealing to the GameFAQs masses? It may be close, but I don't see Mario reversing who is more popular on here. Samus has shown all signs, and I think she is more popular overall. Period.

Snake/Bowser:
Finally, a TRUE test for Snake. For one, 2k3 doesn't hold much weight to me. I COULD say that Bowser did better against Sephiroth than Mega Man did, who obliterated Snake. But I won't use that. I DO think that Frog's performance against Snake was a fluke. Snake was never in danger of losing the match, so there might have been more Frog support. Plus there's Snake's horrible picture... Yeah, it might not matter much against a steady character like Ryu who has few haters and few diehard fans. But against the likeable Frog's bandwagon? It may have been a different story. NONETHELESS, Bowser's performance against Sephiroth was ALSO no fluke. Again, this is not 2k3. Bowser is a very, VERY popular character. Snake may be universally liked, but so is Bowser, and he is MUCH more of a fan favorite. I'm going on a limb and picking Bowser with the upset. And this may or may not have anything to do with Bowser being my FOURTH fav character. <_<

Crono/VINCENT
Yep. I'm picking Vincent over Magus. And I don't even really like him. Hell I like Magus WAY more. I can just understand that others like him a LOT and he is from the most popular game on this site, is well liked by fans of that game, and also is prominently featured in an upcoming spinoff and movie sequel of said game. That being said, Crono is one of the top characters in this entire contest not named Link, Cloud, or Sephiroth. I don't think Vincent will end up being THAT strong....

Sonic/Mega Man.
Even though I'm a Sonic fan, this isn't a hard choice for me. Everything that Sonic has going for him, Mega Man has more going for him. MM/Link be damned.... as we saw from Cloud/Sonic the year before, going up against one of the top two characters in this contest directly can be very bad. So I'm gonna look at these two characters relative to each other. Sure Sonic might have had a higher peak in overall popularity, rivaling Mario at a time, but who is more popular in the long run? In general Mega Man > Sonic. Mega Man has been around since the NES... and he still has games that are doing well now. MMAC > SMC (at least by being more talked about). MMXC > Sonic Gems probably. MMBN > Sonic Advance. Sonic may be comparable in strength to Solid Snake, who Mega Man has beaten twice. The only thing that Sonic MAY have over Mega Man is that he has a more devoted fanbase. But Mega Man's pure strength in popularity is real tough to pick against. And this is coming from a Sonic fan.

That's it for now. I'm not giving away ALL of my picks...
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

2003:

17. Bowser 29.97%
18. Ryu 29.70%

2004

16. Ryu 29.84
18. Bowser 28.88%

Granted that there was SFF and sc2k5 is what Bowser is actually at, they're still close.
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"Once you become as powerful as me, your have to take care of small time pests." - Saddler
"SADDLER, YOU'RE SMALL TIME!" - Leon, RE4

I agree with those that say it should have been Link/Sephiroth and Cloud/Sp2K5 champ (I'm assuming people have said this...I only read a few pages of response in the last topic, and none in this one).


Nobody said that...Samus will beat Sephiroth, but she probably wouldn't beat Cloud.

well, here's my logic:

Ryu 2k4 is expected to get 35.19% on Sephiroth 2k4. Bowser Sp2k5 got 40.45% on Seph Sp2k5. I'll take Bowser.

I'm still trying to figure out which match we're not talking about is going to screw me. I have this bad feeling it's Luigi/KOS-MOS.


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Considering that we already had that match, and the fact that Cloud/Crono would only be interesting in terms of SFF, I like the current arrangement of the Champion's Bracket.
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The world is toroidal

Huh? SC2k4 stats show Ryu a bit ahead of Bowser.

And Bowser's 2k4 number is based off of his 2k3 number since he had a SFF match with Mario. Surely you wouldn't think that Bowser would have actually performed the exact same as he did with his horrible match against Cloud in 2k3? If anything 2k5 seems to refute that.
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Ryu 2k4 is expected to get 35.19% on Sephiroth 2k4. Bowser Sp2k5 got 40.45% on Seph Sp2k5. I'll take Bowser

So it'd be a 55-45% match? Isn't that what Sonic scored on Ryu? So 2k5 Bowser = 2k4 Sonic?
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"Once you become as powerful as me, your have to take care of small time pests." - Saddler
"SADDLER, YOU'RE SMALL TIME!" - Leon, RE4

Hey, EVERYBODY is looking for Luigi to fail now? It would be ironic that at the time when everybody loses faith in him, he actually DOES perform well. Anyways, I'm cutting him some slack. He DID lose to Squall and Yoshi. Both of those characters are rather popular among the Square and Nintendo fanbase. KOS-MOS does not have a Square or Nintendo fanbase behind her....
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Is everyone positive Kefka has no chance against Tommy V? I know by looking at the stats he has little chance but I just have this gut feeling he's going to win in a close one like he did against Pac-Man and screw everybody over again... Man I have to give it to Cjay. This bracket's hard as nails.

well, if Seph is constant, Bowser would beat Ryu with 56.50% of the vote. he'd be at 34.30% on 2k4 Link, and 51.08% on 2k4 Sonic. it doesn't really mean anything to me, but take those as you will.

an interesting aside: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1359

and as for Luigi, I've got him winning, but Hot Android Chick With a Big Gun scares me.

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If Kefka gets the pic he had against Wesker (or something very similar), I'd probably expect him to take down Vercetti.
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Nobody said that...Samus will beat Sephiroth, but she probably wouldn't beat Cloud.

Samus will beat Sephiroth, huh? I have no idea how she's going to do that with any sort of loss he had being regained through Advent Children. And last year showed that Samus has zero chance against Cloud, not just "probably wouldn't."

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

KOS-MOS does not have a Square or Nintendo fanbase behind her....

She's still shown that she's around that level. I don't like her, but her performances against both Samus and Ryu were respectable. Luigi's ahead by 0.36% in the stats -- rendering them useless in this situation -- but KOS-MOS did have Xenosaga II since the last contest.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

I think KOS-MOS has dropped a bit from where she was. She's not as much of an "in" character anymore, and from reports Xenosaga II didn't do anything to maintain her popularity.
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Why would she have dropped over the course of the year? She was more or less the same as she was in 2003. And from what I understand, she wasn't that much different of a character in the second one. I think she's horrible, but I would find it hard to believe that she would drop after having a game where she's pretty much the same as in the first one.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

Bowser's 2004 value is nothing more than his 2003 value plugged into the 2004 stats. The jump he made between 2003 and Spring 2005 makes it pretty clear that he can take down Ryu with minimal problems, and that he's being very overlooked. Bowser has the power to beat Snake and Ryu. He's an earthquake in a can!

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

KOS-MOS is definitely more kickass in XS1 than 2. the thing about it to me is, who cares about Luigi?

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Me. ;_;

Luigi is loveable enough.

He should beat KOS-MOS, and will do repectably against Tifa. Tifa won't beat him by more than 55%, methinks.
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Yoblazer did rather well in the guru contest.
Rather well, indeed.

It's a dead even match, yet one of the characters is Nintendo and the other is from a non-Square RPG. I'd be utterly shocked if KOS-MOS won. Xsts be damned.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

heh, sorry. I think of Luigi as being the exact same as Mario - which just means that I like them both equally the same.

since you mentioned it and I'm feeling math-y tonight, Tifa needs to beat Luigi with 61.54% to equal Aeris, assuming AC hasn't increased the entire FF7 cast.
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Oh and Slowflake, you are dead wrong about EarthBound. This game is ****ing hilarious, yet serious at the same time. It tells a very good story, yet makes fun of the prototypical RPG style (and itself) all at once. Whoever made this game is a genius.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Ulti, have you played Shadow Hearts: Covenant? now -that's- a game that makes fun of itself.

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96 - voltch
97 - transience
98 - igota75
99. dethfddddh
100 - red sox 777
101 - Yesmar
102 - ff6man
103 - arkenaga
104 - meche313
105 - BeTheMan
106 - bigkevinm84
107 - Steinershocker
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Official King of Board 8 and detective in Sir Chris' police
yoblazer took my bracket, shined that sum***** up real good, turned it sideways, and shoved it straight up my candy ass.

I'm dying to play SH:C (most of the time I find Kyle Bowen really annoying, but from what I hear he's on the money with this one), but I want to play SH1 first.

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Get the X out.

I don't feel like rewriting all of these points, so I'll just repost the AIM convo I had with Dusty.

Ultimaterializer: duuude
Ultimaterializer: What a bracket!
Heroic Mario: You're telling me! =D
Heroic Mario: That's insane.
Heroic Mario: How good this is.
Ultimaterializer: yeah
Ultimaterializer: Link vs Cloud is a tough one
Ultimaterializer: Not because Cloud is stronger
Ultimaterializer: But because people may not take it as seriously as the main contest
Ultimaterializer: That right there could propel Cloud to the win
Heroic Mario: Interesting thought.
Ultimaterializer: no seriously, think about it
Ultimaterializer: In past contests, we grew attached to the characters as they went through the bracket
Ultimaterializer: In some cases, characters grow stronger as the contest progresses
Ultimaterializer: In others, they grow weaker and draw anti-votes by the end
Ultimaterializer: And that's where Link/Cloud gets interesting
Ultimaterializer: Link is typically at his best near the end of a contest
Heroic Mario: That's true.
Ultimaterializer: Whereas cloud is at his best near the beginning
Ultimaterializer: But what happens when you get a match that most fans of the contest may not care about?
Heroic Mario: ...Wow. I never really thought of it like that.
Heroic Mario: That does make sense too.
Ultimaterializer: After the finals of the main contest, Link/Cloud could be a cooldown type of match
Heroic Mario: Yeah.
Ultimaterializer: Like what the Yankees are going through this year.
Ultimaterializer: They're still suffering from last year's ALCS.
Ultimaterializer: I think voters may not care about the ToC as much as the main bracket
Ultimaterializer: Which could not only allow Cloud to win, but the winner of the main contest has a real shot at taking down Sephiroth.
Heroic Mario: It's something to consider, especially given the whole late in the contest performance and early in the contest performance.
Ultimaterializer: Think about it. Every time a winner goes up against some bonus enemy, the people root for the entity they just watched win the whole thing.
Ultimaterializer: And given that Samus/Sephiroth is close enough as is, that match could be really damned close as a result
Heroic Mario: I don't know that I'd take anyone else from the main bracket over Sephiroth.
Ultimaterializer: Win or lose, Samus WILL get the early lead on him
Heroic Mario: Definitely.
Heroic Mario: Especially after both Bowser and Ganon did so.
Ultimaterializer: But you know, Square fans seem more hardcore about this type of stuff than anyone else.
Ultimaterializer: They may care about the TOC more than the Nintendo fans.
Ultimaterializer: I dunno, it's something to consider.
Heroic Mario: Yeah, definitely.
Ultimaterializer: Something tells me that the voters won't take the TOC very seriously.
Heroic Mario: It also favors Cloud, so I'm definitely liking it.
Ultimaterializer: heh

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

So, am I the only one here who, on first seeing the bracket, thought that Yuri was the guy from Command and Conquer?

XD

I knew it was the SH:C guy.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

"Oh and the biggest snub is Shadow the Hedgehog, love him or hate him."

No, the biggest snub will always be Aeris as she is still the strongest character to get snubbed.
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!

Kyle's annoying obsession with SH:C is even making me hate it. I almost want to vote for Samus just to spite him.

that said, SH:C is freaking awesome. I highly recommend it.

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I dunno Chichiri.

12 Shadow the Hedgehog
34.28%
15 Aeris Gainsborough
32.81%

And I'd pick Shadow to beat Aeris.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

So, am I the only one here who, on first seeing the bracket, thought that Yuri was the guy from Command and Conquer?

Nope, I thought the same.

Hey, it couldn't be Yuri from King of Fighters....

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Well, when the parents are away... brother and sister can play...
http://www.freewebs.com/mjversion/index.htm

" I'm tempted to go with Dante, just because I'm thinking Vincent is a board creation,"

Might I remind you that Vincent got about 1/3 of the nominations that Kerrigan got. If anyone in that four-pack is a board creation it isn't Vincent.
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!

I cannot believe all of the people picking Solid Snake to beat Bowser. In the "Post Your Final 4" topic near the top of the first page, I'm the only guy with Bowser beating Snake. I find that hard to believe, given the numbers I posted in this topic.

This could (and should) be the year where the "Noble Nine" theory is finally debunked.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

It's not in our conversation, but I want to curse Psycho Penguin for telling me lies.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

Meh...Tidus beat Shadow, and I don't believe for a second that Tidus > Aeris.
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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO "CATS" Cats

I do.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

I do know. Shadow's 2k3 number is wrong, period. Oh, and I have severe doubt about Snake. Someone said it'd be ballsy to not have him winning the division, so I've gotta say I'm ballsy. For once, though, I'm keeping my bracket underwraps. No one but Slow sees it before lock-down. Let's just say it has "first perfect ever" written on it :)
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!

"Might I remind you that Vincent got about 1/3 of the nominations that Kerrigan got. If anyone in that four-pack is a board creation it isn't Vincent."

Might I remind you that we still have no idea how Ceej picked the characters for this thing. He doesnt seem to have been sticking to character caps in any apparent fashion, which makes some of the snubs rather strange (King of Cosmos over Aeris? Manny over Aeris?). In addition, some of the seedings seem rather out of of whack - I wouldn't be at all surprised if there was a decent amount of creative freeedom taken on this bracket. True, as everyone's favorite gothy FF7 character Vincent is not likely to entirely be a board creation, but I wouldn't take either his existence in the contest in the first place or his seeding to be any indication of him being as strong as people say he is. With Dante at 25/26 percent on Link, Vincent is still going to have to work for it in order to be able to walk away with that match.
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Poor Kerrigan.

Aeris got left out because she phailed, as always, in the nomination department (remember, she didn't even hit the top 100 last year). Why that is, I cannot say...I can't believe that she would have fallen off the map strengthwise since 2K3, but whatever. Interestingly enough, I think that the seeding might be pretty close to the actual nomination tallies...not that it means anything.
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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO "CATS" Cats

Dunno, it's hard to imagine Lloyd and Kirby getting enough nominations to warrant their seeds. <_<
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As much as I want to put something original about the Guru Contest here, I can't, because Yoblazer owned me way too hard.

Bowser beating Snake the popular upset pick? Jeebus cripes, I wasn't expecting this one.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

Slow, so how does the actual bracket stack up to the one you compiled from this board's nominations?

It would be funny if Mario won over Samus and Bowser won over Solid Snake.

Go Mario, make the Solid Snake's opponents look like ultra fodder :D
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Zelos: Don't hate me just because I'm beautiful.

I think I'm the only one with samus beating mega in the finals.
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Goldberg entertained me when he jobbed to inanimate objects.-The icon ownz all

Nope you are not the only one. I know that lina inverse2 also has that.
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Zelos: Don't hate me just because I'm beautiful.

I also have Samus beating Megaman in the finals but that may change.
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[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

From: Heroic Viktor | Posted: 6/29/2005 8:48:51 AM | #460
Am I correct in my math that has 2k3 Zelda getting 52.97% on 2k3 Donkey Kong (going through Mega Man and Vercetti, no SFF adjustments anywhere), or is my comprehension of the X-Stats horrible?

DON'T TOUCH THESE STATS EVER AGAIN.
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SC2K5 bracket: Samus over Snake, Crono over Megaman, Samus over Crono; Link over Sephiroth

You did something wrong. 2003 Zelda is projected to get 58.17% against 2003 Donkey Kong.

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Laguna Loire

...I just realized that (ergo the deletion). Now I am trying to figure out why.

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
YoBlazer(33) & Robotnik pwned my (Ro)butt in Sp2k5

100 - 25.34 (Donkey Kong) / 30.29 (Zelda) * 50

The lowest percentage is divided by the higher percentage.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

Gah, stupid typos.

Zelda got 39.24% on MM, Vercetti got 33.14%, and the formula off sc2k5.com says it should be (.3924)*(.6684/.50), so clearly I am missing something.

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
YoBlazer(33) & Robotnik pwned my (Ro)butt in Sp2k5

OK, so either I can no longer comprehend math, or the X-Stat formula on sc2k5 is not the same as the one used to get these numbers.

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YoBlazer(33) & Robotnik pwned my (Ro)butt in Sp2k5

Isn't it ((.3924)/(.6684))*50?
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NOMINATE KEN MASTERS FOR SC2K5
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That gives around a 29.35, by the way.
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NOMINATE KEN MASTERS FOR SC2K5
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My take:

Mushroom : Mario takes it, obviously, and Zero jobs in the final. Lloyd ought to beat Wesker. That leaves Ness-CJ as the only questionable thing. CJ should win, just about. GTA may be hated here but it's Earthbound-Doom all over again.

Zebes : Samus takes it, obviously. All the first round matches are painfully straightforward, leaving Ganondorf-Auron looking like the only match that'll be anywhere near close. I've got Ganon to win, but I'm not sure by how much.

Gear : Snake takes it, obviously. Vivi-Zelda is looking like being one of the matches of the first round. Note that they've never been in the same contest together, so any xstat comparison would need to be made over two different sets, one of which is unreliable anyway. I've gone for Zelda personally, it's a more recognisable name. Alucard should pull off the seed upset over Kratos, and Sora can fill his boots against Neo Tanner, so to speak. Alucard-Sora should be interesting, but imo it's Alucard's match to lose.

Dream : Dear god. The only easy thing here is the first round. Kirby-Tidus has some potential to be a good N-S matchup, but it'll depend on which Tidus turns up to some extent. Ryu-Bowser will be hard to call as well, and I'd favour whoever wins that match to beat Kirby/Tidus. Bowser looked useful in the spring, and Ryu's always consistent and in or around the second tier after the noble 9. Fwiw, I've got Bowser over Tidus.

Flood : Crono wins, obviously. With 8 number 1 seeds, Crono missing a #1 is somewhat interesting. Still, it's a Chief-Crono final. DK-Fisher isn't a bad 4-5, but it's not tough to call. Kefka-Vercetti? Personally I think Tommy will have dropped a lot post-San Andreas, enough for Kefka to close what isn't a huge gap.

Devil : Agh, there's some awkward Square characters here, precisely antipodal to my back yard, I could easily have this very wrong. Dante will win the first round easy. Kerrigan/Vincent? Jesus. I'm not convinced about Vincent at all. Then again, Kerrigan may have an over inflated seed due to big board support. Nasty. I went for Kerrigan. But I'd pick Dante over either of them and have done. Knuckles has drawn a bad 3 seed opponent in Magus, compared to who else has that seed. In the right division, Knuckles could have gone to a division final instead of walking home after the first round. Squall ought to walk all over Geno. Magus-Squall? Too many factors to consider here. I've always been of the opinion that Magus is overrated and have picked Squall, and Squall>Dante as well. This stunt could go horribly wrong but I can't win prizes anyway...

Chaos : Something more sensible. Sonic>Diablo should be the result of the top half. Tifa's got an easy starter. Luigi/KOS-MOS looks interesting on paper but I think Luigi will win comfortably enough. Then Tifa/Luigi? It all depends on how strong Tifa is (duh). I picked Tifa, then Sonic in the final. A potentially awkward four-pack. Swap Vyse for Knuckles and it becomes worse.

20XX : Easy. Mega Man kills everyone, GF still NW, Yoshi beats Ocelot.

Elite 8 : I've always been of the opinion that Samus > Mega Man > Mario > Samus, and we could see that tested here. I've taken Mario to go to the final. There's talk of Snake losing to whoever comes out of the Dream division but I think that's silly talk. Crono will beat whoever to reach the final 4, and Mega Man should beat Sonic. Crono-MM? This wouldn't even be in doubt until last year, when after the Link fiasco, MM plummeted in the stats, and even some supposed SFF adjustments still kept him under Crono. I picked Mega Man, and also picked him over Mario.

Then Link beats Sephiroth. Flame away.
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Since Ken got snubbed, I made a new sig.
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http://img176.echo.cx/img176/8507/votemario0uc.gif

i'm surprised at the lack of talk about a sonic vs mega man battle of the blues
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

Because Mega Man vs. Sonic is easily going to go to Mega.
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SC2K5: Samus is going all the way!

Hey, could someone who knows how the X-stats work figure out how much Kratos would need to beat Mithos by in order to beat Diablo?
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Board 37840 - Math and Physics help, yo

If I've done the calculation right it'd pretty much have to be a doubling.
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Jon Thomson - MARIO, Samus, SOLID SNAKE, Bowser, CRONO, Squall, Sonic, MEGA MAN

Sonic VS Megaman is going to be the sweetest poll this dsite will ever had. The 2 best blue dudes against each other. Incase you guys wonder I got Megaman with this account and Sonic with my alt. That's the only difference in my two brackets.

Go Sonic and Megaman. (Oh and you to Mario)
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Zelos: Don't hate me just because I'm beautiful.

Auron and Ganondorf is a real killer. I just can't decide ;__;
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Yoblazer can have my babies! And I really mean it!
PWNED heavily by the Guru Contest winner.

If Ganondorf can beat Tidus, then why can't he beat Auron.
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17 handhelds Nintendo has taken down 1 more to go (see quote for rest)

He barely beat Tidus back in 2003. We're in 2005 right now. It seems rather obvious that things have changed since then.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

Of course, Tidus has lose much more popularity ;)
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Currently playing: Jet Set Radio Future [X] - DK Jungle Beat [GC]

Ganon's my favorite character, and I know his match with Auron will be close, but I'm picking him.

Of course, I went Shadow in Shadow/Tidus last year for the same reason. Hopefully I won't be wrong this time.
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SC2K5: Samus is going all the way!

Ganondorf has most likely gotten stronger since 2003.

The problem is that Ganon did well on the Villian Contest, but Auron IS the badass here. No Ganon is. I'm ****ing confused. Someone help me.
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Support Vincent Valentine on the Character Contest!

He barely beat Tidus back in 2003. We're in 2005 right now. It seems rather obvious that things have changed since then.

First of all I don't think Tidus dropped and will return to his regular spot during this contest. Also while Tidus dropped to Auron's level, Auron rose to above Tidus' level, sorry, but I don't see this happening. Nothing over the past 2 years made Auron rise higher then Tidus' old spot and Tidus not rising with him. (which would require a game where Tidus isn't in it.)
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17 handhelds Nintendo has taken down 1 more to go (see quote for rest)

Why do people hate Tidus so much, I don't really have an opinon because I've never played FFX. Is it because he whines or something.
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17 handhelds Nintendo has taken down 1 more to go (see quote for rest)

Why do people hate Tidus so much, I don't really have an opinon because I've never played FFX. Is it because he whines or something.

Pretty much.
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Today's subliminal thought is:

All this talking about Bowser over Snake has made me do it, although the Bowser voters in the Spring Contest may have just been people who didn't want Seph to win.

And Kirby/Tidus? Most people would go towards Tidus, but I really don't know. It could be a good upset to go with Kirby and his 1!!! seed, so I'm going with the upset.

Another match I'm not sure of actually is Gordan Freeman vs. Leon Kennedy. Leon seems like the obvious choice and with GFNW, but I have a bad feeling about this one.
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Every fanboy war degenerates to a flame war over whether each debater likes the Halo series or not. - Android21A

Ganondorf has most likely gotten stronger since 2003.

So did Auron.

First of all I don't think Tidus dropped and will return to his regular spot during this contest.

I don't see how Tidus underperformed by a full 7% on Mega Man. That performance wasn't normal, but I will have a very hard time believing that he'll be returning to his normal level. Regardless, he isn't really the problem at hand; it's Auron that we're dealing with.

Also while Tidus dropped to Auron's level, Auron rose to above Tidus' level, sorry, but I don't see this happening. Nothing over the past 2 years made Auron rise higher then Tidus' old spot and Tidus not rising with him. (which would require a game where Tidus isn't in it.)

There's a little thing called SFF that Auron has gone through both years he has been in the contest. In 2003 he faced Cloud and in 2004 he faced Sephiroth. If you adjust him for that SFF, he ends up around Ganon's level. There most certainly has been reason for him to increase, but it wasn't because of any new game.

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“Yeah, sure. I always see it. But… who cares? I speak with passion, from the heart! That’s what matters most.”
Laguna Loire

Looking at the X-sts in this minutes, have make me lean to Ganon instead of Auron. I still think Auron can easily pull it, but meh. I can easily change this decision, but for now, I'm going with Ganon.
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Support Vincent Valentine on the Character Contest!

Kirby in the Sweet 16 would be awesome. I hope he can pull off an upset.
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Gooper Blooper? Who in the what now?
Nominate DIG DUG for SC2K5! Sure, he's fodder, but he's really cool fodder.

It sure would.
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Zelos: Don't hate me just because I'm beautiful.

The Snake underestimation here is scary. Ocelot does well in Sp2K5, and Big Boss makes it in this Contest, and you guys think that Snake will STILL drop or not benefit from MGS3? Yes the Bowser/Ryu/Tidus trio is strong, but I think Snake will manage to beat them all.

Kirby lost to Squall in 2003. I believe Tidus is stronger than Squall (also meaning I think that Tidus's '04 number is a little off). Kirby should get a boost thanks to his 1-seed and K:CC, but it won't be enough to take out Tidus.

GFNW 4 ever.
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SC2K5: Samus is going all the way!

I don't think Snake is being underestimated. The MGS crew hasn't really impressed in awhile.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Looking through the topic and I found this:

Bowser has the power to beat Snake and Ryu. He's an earthquake in a can!

Sigged. I love it.
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Gooper Blooper? Who in the what now?

There's a little thing called SFF that Auron has gone through both years he has been in the contest. In 2003 he faced Cloud and in 2004 he faced Sephiroth. If you adjust him for that SFF, he ends up around Ganon's level. There most certainly has been reason for him to increase, but it wasn't because of any new game.

Yes I know about SFF and everything, I've been in these contest since 2k2. But the bottom line is I don't see Auron beating Tidus (w/o SFF and everything) even if Ganondorf/Tidus took place 2 years ago (Ganondorf hasn't seem to have dropped either)

As much as I don't want to use 2k4's adjusted x-st, Ganondorf is projected to get 53%.
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17 handhelds Nintendo has taken down 1 more to go (see quote for rest)

Snake is being underestimated, and it is surprising me that nobody is picking that up.
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Today's subliminal thought is:

Anyone having problems with Sora/Alucard?
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Support Vincent Valentine on the Character Contest!

i do
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

Bowser is going to beat Tidus. It took me forever last night and this morning to see it, and I'm not revealing my info. You'll flock on it. I need to be closer to the top 50 as possible. :p (and I know no one will believe I have anything good, so cheers for me. :-))

But..DON"T FLAME ME!! :-(
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Picking Ryu over Bowser, to me, is border-line suicide.
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