Glad to see that creative finally decided to give us Sp2005 Xsts. I'm also shocked that no one but Dabu and myself knows the quote from the first post of the last topic. Tisk tisk.



*Creativename's websites*

Everything you could ever imagine:
http://www.sc2k5.com
http://www.sc2k4.com

Summer 2002 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/1

Summer 2003 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/2

Spring 2004 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/3

Summer 2004 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/4

Summer 2005 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/5

Sortable Table for Every Contest Match:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/19



*Extrapolated Standings*

Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/11

Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

Summer 2002 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/13

Summer 2003 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/14

Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/15

SFF Adjusted Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/16

Summer 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/17

SFF Adjusted Summer 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/18

Spring 2005 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/27



*Solarshadow's Sites*

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html

Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html



*Old Stats topics*

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)

2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.

Spring 2004 Pre-Season (Chance the number after "Season" to view other pages; there are three of them):
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm

Spring 2004 Contest (Change the number after "Stats" to view other pages; there are eight of them):
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm



*Match Pictures*

Summer 2002 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15

Summer 2003 Match Pictures:
www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario0/contestpictures.htm

Spring 2004 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17

Summer 2004 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18



*Miscellaneous*

Creativename's Page of Links:
http://sc2k4.com/links.php

MMXcalibur's Contest Sites:
http://prophetchallenge.hyperboards2.com/index.cgi
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/

Poll Vote Total Updater:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/25

All Time Top 25/Top 10 Lists:
http://www.rpgdl.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3251



!yawa tsoP

Cloud VS Tifa in the finals...


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Zelos: Don't hate me just because I'm beautiful.

noooooooo!
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My luck works best when things are... random. Mat Cauthon from The Dragon Reborn

The last one didn't hit 400 yet.
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Clinkeroth: CLINKEROTH! ~Pibb of Truth

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

Those are some surprising stats, who would've guessed before this contest began that Nemesis and Bison would finish so highly on the Xsts and that Kuja would finish below Ghaleon?
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I have been Roland, Beowulf, Achilles, Gilgamesh. I have been been called a hundred names and will be called a thousand more before the world goes dim and cold.

Hopefully we'll have a bracket by the time we need this.
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SpC2K5 First Vote Champion
Congrats to yoblazer, the Guru contest winner!

I still love the fact that Tenpenny came in last. I dispise Grand Theft Auto.
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You have no chance to survive make your time.

This upcoming contest won't be another Mario vs Crono match.

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I thought lolicon would mean LOL ICON as in Lol internet - XIII is cool
*is raytan7585*

Ulti, If i tell you where the quote is from can I keep the elixir?
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Yoblazer > Kerrigan > Sp2005 > My sad, sad little 68 point bracket.

Here's a list of all the games our "Noble Nine" has had since the previous contest (I know this term isn't really in use anymore, but they're all going to be in the contest, so...)

First, games that our "Noble Nine" have received since last summer:

Link:

The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap
Class NES Series: Zelda II: The Adventure of Link

Cloud:

Final Fantasy VII Snowboarding

Sephiroth:

Nothing

Mario:

Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
Mario Power Tennis
Mario Party Advance
Mario Pinball Land
Super Mario 64 DS
Mario Party 6

Mega Man:

Mega Man X8
Mega Man X: Command Mission
Mega Man Battle Network 5
Mega Man Anniversary Collection (Xbox version)

Crono:

Nothing

Samus:

Metroid Prime 2: Echoes
Classic NES Series: Metroid
Metroid Prime Hunters: First Hunt

Solid Snake:

Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (well...okay, technically it's not him)
Metal Gear Acid

Sonic:

Sonic Mega Collection Plus
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Now, for upcoming games for each of our "Noble Nine":

Link:

The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
Unnamed DS Zelda
Unnamed Revolution Zelda
Unnamed Revolution Super Smash Bros.

Cloud:

Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children (not actually a game, but who cares?)
Final Fantasy VII: Crisis Core (not confirmed to be in it)
Final Fantasy VII: Dirge of Cerberus (not confirmed to be in it)
Final Fantasy VII: Before Crisis (probably won't be in it, but it's possible)

Sephiroth:

Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children (not actually a game, but who cares?)
Final Fantasy VII: Crisis Core (not confirmed to be in it)
Final Fantasy VII: Dirge of Cerberus (not confirmed to be in it)
Final Fantasy VII: Before Crisis (probably won't be in it, but it's possible)

Mario:

Mario Tennis Advance
Mario Party 7
Super Mario Strikers
Mario Baseball
Dance Dance Revolution with Mario
Mario & Luigi 2
Mario Kart DS
Super Princess Peach
Super Mario Bros. DS
Mario Kart Arcade GP
Super Mario 128 (99.99% chance of it being on the Revolution at this point)
Unnamed Revolution Super Smash Bros.

Mega Man:

Mega Man Battle Network 5: Double Team
Mega Man Anniversary Collection (GBA version)
Mega Man X Collection

Crono:

Nothing

Samus:

Metroid Prime Hunters
Metroid Prime 3

Solid Snake:

Metal Gear Acid 2
Metal Gear Solid 4

Sonic:

Sonic Rush
Sonic Gems Collection
Shadow the Hedgehog (not confirmed that he'll be in it)

And there you have it.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

When is Advent Children coming out?

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Stop thinking rationally! It hurts! - Master Cilander

Around September IIRC.

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Super Mario 128 (99.99% chance of it being on the Revolution at this point)

That's why Mario will see a huge power boost in two years (the game won't be out in time for next contest).
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

Cloud and Sephiroth have had appearances in Before Crisis.

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“The gate of tomorrow is not the light of heaven, but the darkness in the depths of the Earth.”
Vincent Valentine

When is Advent Children coming out?

September 13th in America and September 14th in Japan. This'll be the DVD release only. The PSP version will come out sometime later.

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“The gate of tomorrow is not the light of heaven, but the darkness in the depths of the Earth.”
Vincent Valentine

Glad to see that creative finally decided to give us Sp2005 Xsts. I'm also shocked that no one but Dabu and myself knows the quote from the first post of the last topic. Tisk tisk.

Eh? *goes to check*

The original Diablo?

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

heh, gotta love how Crono has nothing.

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Nominate Cecil from Final Fantasy IV for the summer contest

First, games that our "Noble Nine" have received since last summer:

Sephiroth:

Nothing

Samus:

Metroid Prime 2: Echoes
Classic NES Series: Metroid
Metroid Prime Hunters: First Hunt

Now, for upcoming games for each of our "Noble Nine":

Sephiroth:

Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children (not a game)
Final Fantasy VII: Crisis Core (not confirmed to be in it)
Final Fantasy VII: Dirge of Cerberus (not confirmed to be in it)
Final Fantasy VII: Before Crisis (probably won't be in it)

Samus:

Metroid Prime Hunters
Metroid Prime 3

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Heh. Interesting.

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

Even with all those games, Samus's increase will be small. Sephiroth on the other hand is clearly sitting nice with Advent Children releasing right in the middle of the second round.

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“The gate of tomorrow is not the light of heaven, but the darkness in the depths of the Earth.”
Vincent Valentine

The "raise" from Advent Children will be nonexistant, as far as Sephiroth is concerned. Advent Children is not reaching new audiences the way Kingdom Hearts did. It's a movie made for fans of the original game. And we've already seen evidence that releases in the middle of a contest don't really matter; it usually takes a while for them to take effect.

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

Yeah, having your game released during the middle of the contest doesn't help at all.

Remember how badly Mario lost to Cloud?
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

You people continue to amaze me everyday Advent Children is brought up. Explain to how and why that the movie needs to provide a KH-esque boost? These characters need very little in order to secure a victory. For Cloud, it requires 2200 people change their vote from Link to Cloud. For Sephiroth against Samus, it merely requires Sephiroth staying ahead of Samus -- not a hard task to accomplish by any means.

Advent Children will provide a boost for every FFVII character and it will be quite noticeable. If you think otherwise you're just being a moron. No one needs 10%+ to beat a character nor does they need any large boost at all. You need to stop overexaggerating what Cloud and Sephiroth need to win their projected matchups.

But yes, there will not be a KH-esque boost for them; they don't need anything like it either.

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“The gate of tomorrow is not the light of heaven, but the darkness in the depths of the Earth.”
Vincent Valentine

Oh, and releasing in the middle of the contest gives people about two weeks before the final. You act like it's being released during the final four.

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“The gate of tomorrow is not the light of heaven, but the darkness in the depths of the Earth.”
Vincent Valentine

No, but I remember this little website that rallied votes for Mario, prompting CJayC to politely ask that we not get help from outside GameFAQs, and this was during a contest where stats of any kind have proven to be completely unreliable.

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

HM, I think the boost FF7 characters get from Advent Children will be almost negligible. And I certainly don't think the boost Sephiroth may get is going to compare to what Samus has accomplished.

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

Plus, new Mario game > new FF7 DVD/PSP movie if I were to guess.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

I feel Kingdom Hearts gets way too much credit for boosting Cloud to victory.

Mario beat Cloud because he got his first platformer in 6 years on the day of the match.

Sephiroth didn't even really "boost" at all, barring Sephiroth/Mega Man; but since Mega Man choked exactly the same way to Link in 2004, I'm guessing that this is an unrelated anomaly.

People also conveniently forget that the vote totals in 2003 were, on average, twice as large as 2002's. Is it inconceivable that a large portion of those were big fans of FFVII?

I have a seriously hard time believing that a cameo appearance in a game that focused way more on Disney characters were enough to make millions of new fans of FFVII.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

I feel Kingdom Hearts gets way too much credit for boosting Cloud to victory.

Mario beat Cloud because he got his first platformer in 6 years on the day of the match.

Cloud would've won that match by 20000 votes had SMS not come out on that day, however Cloud was still a long way away from Link anyway.
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SC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Link, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Bowser, Kerrigan, Yoshi

Solid Snake will also have MGS3: Substinence, which is MGS3 and the two old Metal Gear games.
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ZSB [aX]

From: plasmabeam | Posted: 6/26/2005 7:09:36 PM | Message Detail
heh, gotta love how Crono has nothing.

I guess that means Mario beats Crono if the match is to happen, right? :-)


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Random thought before this starts to fill up: MGS3 owns your soul. Unless the ending is absolutely horrible, which I've heard it is actually one of the best ever, it will definitely be way up there on my favorites list. I'm currently at the Volgin fight, by the way. I did beat him already, but before I had a chance to save, I had things to do. I know Ulti complained about the slow beginning and too much time being spent in the menu, but that didn't bother me at all. I've enjoyed every minute of it so far with the exceptions of a couple of swamp areas and The Fear.
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No hard feelings, Colonel. Mother Russia can rot, for all I care. ~Revolver Ocelot
ZSB [aX]

The ending to MGS3 is one of the three best ever.

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

Knowing you, Earthbound is on that list. I can't guess the third.

Eh? *goes to check*

The original Diablo?

I love you. Now name the character who says it.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Earthbound and FFX are the other two, right?
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No hard feelings, Colonel. Mother Russia can rot, for all I care. ~Revolver Ocelot
ZSB [aX]

The Fear kicks ass, especially if you fight him the hardcore way.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

The Fear was my least favorite boss fight that's not The Pain. He was incredibly easy, even on Extreme. My favorite would be a tie between The End and The Sorrow.
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Spring Contest 2005 - 68/80 points
"Not even death can save you from me" - Diablo

I was neutral towards The Pain, and I loved The End, The Fury, and The Sorrow. The Fear... it seemed like Kojima took Vamp, scrubbed away any sort of personality, and put him in MGS3. The fight was also extremely easy.
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No hard feelings, Colonel. Mother Russia can rot, for all I care. ~Revolver Ocelot
ZSB [aX]

I've been having a lot of problems with the Coppermine image gallery, so that's delaying me putting the pics up.

If I can't get it fixed I might have to just put it up with bugs. I don't really want to user another gallery.

Slowflake:
Cloud would've won that match by 20000 votes had SMS not come out on that day, however Cloud was still a long way away from Link anyway.

Whoa there. That's just insane.
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I'm pretty sure that was a typo. Take a zero off.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Yeah, you're probably right. It just caused me to do a double-take :)
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tag

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Team Dragostea Din Tei for Trivia XV

This needs use.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

"Deep into the darkness peering,
Long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting..."
- Edgar Allen Poe, The Raven

<3 Eternal Darkness.
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Spring Contest 2005 - 68/80 points
"Not even death can save you from me" - Diablo

KH2 will not have an effect for Auron as it was for Sephiroth (who more than likely got a larger boost from it than Cloud).

Cloud > Sephiroth in 2002 makes a lot of sense, and KH2 and FFX are from the same generation of consoles.

He'll increase, but I don't think by that much.

Just reposting, because it's bound to be ignored in the mass of 'woahmg i want teh 500th posts' posts.

>_>

Anyone agree?
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Yoblazer did rather well in the guru contest.
Rather well, indeed.

all i know is that if Terra makes it and does better than Kefka, then we NEED to have Shadow and Mog next year. (even though there is a verry slim chance Shadow could make it this year.... =/)

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Yoblazer is officially THE MAN for beating us all in SpC2K5!!

HaRRicH mentioned losing interest in Earthbound right around the Winters scene with Jeff, and HM agreed. I'll have to third that notion--I was at precisely that point when I put down the game and didn't play it for eight months.
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There's always someone better.

For the record, I completely agree with creativename about how many reps FF VII should have. These characters are more popular than ones like Kefka, Ramza, and Aya... it makes no sense to give Square's slots to the less popular characters just because of some arbitrary decision that there shouldn't be more than 3 from one game.
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Congrats to yoblazer, the Guru contest winner!

I hated The Fear, too Vamp like, and he had THE WORST VOICE SINCE RITCHER ****ING BELMONT.
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"Once you become as powerful as me, your have to take care of small time pests." - Saddler
"SADDLER, YOU'RE SMALL TIME!" - Leon, RE4

I grew to like The Fear's voice. If you treat The Fear in the same way you would treat Big Rigs (an absolute joke), he's an awesome character.

FEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAR!!11!1

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Ulti, Not to toot my own horn, but I made a cryptic reference to knowing where that quote came from back on the first page. So Nyeh.

</tooting own horn>

Seriously though, Mog? He would get destroyed by Boco, the generic chocobo extrordinaire. And it would be an ugly, ugly SFF style affair. I can't see Mog having much of a solid fanbase coming from anywhere...he wouldn't be complete fodder, but I can't even see him being stronger than the 5th or 6th best representative out of that game.
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Yoblazer > Kerrigan > Sp2005 > My sad, sad little 68 point bracket.

But isn't Advent Children coming out after the contest? not during it? ( assuming it gets started sometime this week)
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"Truly,if there is evil in this world,
it lies within the heart of mankind."-Dhaos

Yeah, the Fear was good for a joke, I mean:

"Fooooooood!"
"POISEN!?"
"I must FEEEEEEEED!"
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"Once you become as powerful as me, your have to take care of small time pests." - Saddler
"SADDLER, YOU'RE SMALL TIME!" - Leon, RE4

all i know is that if Terra makes it and does better than Kefka, then we NEED to have Shadow and Mog next year. (even though there is a verry slim chance Shadow could make it this year.... =/)

While I'd love to see Shadow make it, he probably wouldn't be much stronger than Kefka, if at all. He seems to be a board favorite and probably not much more =/
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*is Janus5000*

Shadow the Hedgehog (not confirmed that he'll be in it)

Um...Sonic was confirmed in it...
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Clinkeroth: CLINKEROTH! ~Pibb of Truth

Shadow will get in.
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THE WORST VOICE SINCE RITCHER ****ING BELMONT.

NO! Take that back! Richter's voice acting was one of the greatest of all time...

Seriously. I loved it. It fit his dialogues perfectly.
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Raiden fact of the contest: Alucard is a plagiarist, this year Raiden will prove it!

But isn't Advent Children coming out after the contest? not during it? ( assuming it gets started sometime this week)

The contest will not start until August 1st.

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Vincent Valentine

I'll give it a 9.7/10. Not my absolute favourite zelda (that title goes to a link to the past), but it's up there.
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I'll give it a 9.7/10. Not my absolute favourite zelda (that title goes to a link to the past), but it's up there.

Check out Ulti's other topic.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

The contest will not start until August 1st.

There is no way in hell you can be even remotely sure of that. Nobody knows when it will start except cjayc. Speculating is fine, but sating that it will start then, as if you have any more of an idea when it will start then anyone else is stupid.
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Well, right when nominations went down, there looked to be a small chance of it starting earlier than August 1st. Granted, CJay could start the contest at any time...but out of the next 365 days, August 1st is looking more and more reasonable to be the day it starts.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

KH2 will not have an effect for Auron as it was for Sephiroth

Look, why is that everyone is talking about how these characters need boost that resemble the first Kingdom Hearts Effect? The only way he would need near the same amount as Sephiroth is if he's as low as the 2004 SFF adjusted stats suggest, and there's good reason to believe he's definitely higher than that -- in fact, I think it's more or less viewed at him being higher -- then he would need a 6.18% increase to matchup with Sonic's percenatge in 2004.

Sephiroth's increase from 2002 to 2003 was 6.36%. Now, I have forgotten just where Auron lands with the little boost, but I believe it's around the level of Zero. If that's the case, Auron needs a whomping 1.89% increase from KH2 in order to matchup with Sonic. Even if you don't believe he's that high, there's no way you could believe he's at 27% on Link.

Basically, there's no way that Auron would need a boost similar to Sephiroth in order to end up on Sonic's level. The amount of overexaggerating the boosts particular characters need is getting out of hand. I've seen more than just a few people saying that Advent Children won't give Cloud and Sephiroth a KH-esque boost and thus will have them losing to Link and Samus respectively. The problem with that? Neither one of them needs anything close to resembling a KH-esque boost.

The sooner we all realize that these higher up characters don't need 10% boosts in order to do something, the better.

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“The gate of tomorrow is not the light of heaven, but the darkness in the depths of the Earth.”
Vincent Valentine

There is no way in hell you can be even remotely sure of that. Nobody knows when it will start except cjayc. Speculating is fine, but sating that it will start then, as if you have any more of an idea when it will start then anyone else is stupid.

There's no way I can be remotely sure of that? Let's look at the facts shall we?

The nomination process ended nearly a week ago. We still have not received a bracket and today is June 27th, getting closer and closer to July 1st. The bracket predicting period almost always lasts a month. These crazy theories that we'll have one week to predict or that it will start in mid-July never made any sense at all, especially when we're almost in July.

Furthermore, what time did the contest start last year? August 1st. What time did we get the bracket? Around July 1st. Explain to me again how I cannot even be "remotely sure" of that claim. The only people who cannot be remotely sure are those making ridiculous predictions of the contest starting this week or in mid-July.

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“The gate of tomorrow is not the light of heaven, but the darkness in the depths of the Earth.”
Vincent Valentine

This makes me ask this: would anybody take Auron over Magus? I know Auron/Ganon is a doozie for several of us already.....
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

I think the contest will start June 28th. You heard me!
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MasterMage119

So the only evidence you have is that it's when it started last time? Weak. Considering it's already changed once, why couldn't it again?
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This makes me ask this: would anybody take Auron over Magus? I know Auron/Ganon is a doozie for several of us already.....

I would definitely consider such a thing. Even if he lost, Auron would make a great match out of that. He's not nearly as weak as people think.

So the only evidence you have is that it's when it started last time? Weak. Considering it's already changed once, why couldn't it again?

Uh, yeah, everything is just falling into place on how it was last year and that's suppose to be a weak argument? Please. Don't point the finger this way and say I cannot be sure when you've got other people coming out of nowhere to make ridiculous claims that it should be starting in mid-July, effectively giving us two weeks to predict the bracket -- a week less than we had for the 32 villain contest.

So unless you have some shocking evidence that suggests the contest starts sooner, I'm not the one who's off. It's your and anyone else who thinks this contest will start any sooner than August 1st, or around that timeframe.

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“The gate of tomorrow is not the light of heaven, but the darkness in the depths of the Earth.”
Vincent Valentine

It's already changed last time. It can easily change again. Saying that logic dictates it will start in august doesn't mean much. CjayC is allergic to being predictable much of the time.
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Regardless, August 1st is the most logical, probable day for it to start. Ceej likes certain things to be routine, as evidenced by predictions not closing on the villain contest until a Monday, and him SAYING that was the reason.
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Yes, it changed last contest because there was a Spring Contest, much like there was this time. There's nothing at this point that suggests it will start any sooner than August 1st. Thinking it will start sometime sooner is just setting yourself up for disappointment.

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I'm not saying it will start sooner, but you shouldn't be telling people who think it may that they're dead wrong. You have no way of knowing for sure.
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Telling them it starts on August 1st is far more probable than telling them it'll start sometime within the next couple weeks. Right now, there's no reason to believe there will be any other date for the contest to begin.

Remember, we still don't have a bracket yet.

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There is plenty of reasons to believe that it could start before august. We got the nomination sheet early, and it closed very quickly.

Are you saying that doesn't mean there is a chanceof it starting sooner then august?
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Does anyone know if/where the Spring Fanfiction Project was saved/archived?


As for the contest start date, we obviously can't know for sure—even Ceej can't; maybe some unforeseen difficulties might come up—but obviously August 1st is the date that makes the most sense, and is also more likely than not.
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It doesn't matter when the nominations closed, the fact of the matter is that we don't have a bracket and it's June 27th. We're at the point where if we received the bracket today that it could just prolong it an extra three days to have it start on August 1st, which we've seen him do before, although it concerned nominations.

Honestly, no one should still be expecting the contest to start sooner considering what timeframe we're in. It's at the point where thinking it will start sooner becomes asinine.

To answer your question, I think there is little to no chance of it starting sooner than August 1st. And upon further inspection, August 1st is on a Monday. That couldn't be more perfect.

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has it ever occured to anyone that crono's strength might be dbz related? as in they were made by the same guy and crono looks like a saiyen with red hair
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August 1st is Monday? It will start that day, beyond a shadow of doubt.
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has it ever occured to anyone that crono's strength might be dbz related? as in they were made by the same guy and crono looks like a saiyen with red hair

That thought has never been tossed around once.
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HaRRicH mentioned losing interest in Earthbound right around the Winters scene with Jeff, and HM agreed. I'll have to third that notion--I was at precisely that point when I put down the game and didn't play it for eight months.

Probably a lack of interest because Jeff starts at Level 1. It doesn't take him long at all to get up to the levels of the others. I remember powerleveling off of Cave Boys near the Andonuts Lab.

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I'm not saying that nobody should be expecting anything. You were stating that it will start on August first as an indesputable fact, when it certainly isn't.
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Fine. Whatever.

You'll just have to see for yourself.

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Uh... I never said it won't be starting on August first, just that you shouldn't state that there is no way it will start sooner. I don't see what exactly you mean by needing to see it for myself.
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"Couldn't be more perfect," HM? Starting a summer contest in ****ing August is not perfect. There's nothing stopping CJayC from posting the bracket now, and then starting the contest on say, the 10th or 15th.

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What's the point of posting it on July 1st though?

Assuming it starts in August, why not just post it a little bit earlier..?
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"Couldn't be more perfect," HM? Starting a summer contest in ****ing August is not perfect. There's nothing stopping CJayC from posting the bracket now, and then starting the contest on say, the 10th or 15th.

Well, I agree from MY perspective, but from CJayC's he wants people to predict the bracket, and cutting the time in half with lower predictions drastically.
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"Couldn't be more perfect," HM? Starting a summer contest in ****ing August is not perfect. There's nothing stopping CJayC from posting the bracket now, and then starting the contest on say, the 10th or 15th.

Yes, because he would never do anything like starting the contest in August. No way, never. Everything falls perfectly in line with him starting it on the first of August. You have the predicting period lasting a month -- like usual --, the contest starting both at the beginning of the month and at the beginning of the week.

Thinking we'll get around two weeks to predict the bracket is just foolish on your part. And we'll excuse the fact that doing such is completely out of line with the current pace.

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Yes, because he would never do anything like starting the contest in August. No way, never. Everything falls perfectly in line with him starting it on the first of August. You have the predicting period lasting a month -- like usual --, the contest starting both at the beginning of the month and at the beginning of the week.

Thinking we'll get around two weeks to predict the bracket is just foolish on your part. And we'll excuse the fact that doing such is completely out of line with the current pace.

HM, he just meant that he doesn't want the contest to start so late, not that it actually won't.
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Everything falls perfectly in line with him starting it on the first of August.

Posting an early nomination sheet, and closing it early falls in line perfectly?
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CJay, please post the brackets soon. We are having a heated argument about WHEN the contest begins.
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Please tell me you don't lose Ness for the entire game at one point. I didn't read the post with the spoiler warning, but a bunch of other people decided to act like fools and quote part of it without warning me. Thanks a lot, you people of no common sense. Unless that part doesn't matter much, in which case never mind.

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Assuming it starts in August, why not just post it a little bit earlier..?

We could the bracket as early as today or as late as July 1st. In either case, it remains likely that we'll see the contest starting on August first. If he gave us a bracket today, he could simply prolong the predicting period by three days to setup for the August 1st date.

But it the bracket doesn't have to be put up on July 1st because we're now at the time when he can just give a little extra time and it wouldn't hurt anything. However, people like to think that he'll cut the predicting time period in half. There's absolutely no reason for him to do this. He makes it convenient for the majority of the people who don't visit this board. Having a month timeframe allows for everyone to think about matches, have plenty of time to create the bracket, etc.

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Yes, please DON'T tell him if that happens, because it will be spoiled by some dumb ass who doesn't know how warn before quoting a spoiler and I don't want to find out.
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Thanks a lot, you people of no common sense. Unless that part doesn't matter much, in which case never mind.

Yes, I suppose being spoiled that you have to control Jeff at one point in the game is going to ruin the entire experience.

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HM, I offered a suggestion. I never said that the contest would start in mid-July. Don't go around calling others foolish because you're not reading properly.

By the way, does anyone here really need thirty days to fill out a bracket?

Please tell me you don't lose Ness for the entire game at one point.

You don't. There are two points in the game where you control a different character for a short time, and that's it.

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By the way, does anyone here really need thirty days to fill out a bracket?

Not here, but a lot of users don't obsessively come to the site every day.
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MM, that's a lie and you know it!
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Posting an early nomination sheet, and closing it early falls in line perfectly?

That wasn't even the earliest he's closed the nominations. It was up a total of four days whereas 2003 was closed within two.

The speculation going about is that he did such so that Board 8 would have a larger influence than usual. This makes sense considering we got the nominations a day or so before the front page people did and it was closed shortly after.

However, since we have not seen a bracket for all this time suggests to me that he's waiting until today through July 1st to post the bracket to fall in line with the previous contest.

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HM, you're saying that AC doesn't need to give Cloud a big boost for him to beat Link...but it's just as true that Link doesn't need a big boost from The Minish Cap to counteract the boost from AC, or from Wind Waker's price-reduction. Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?

That wasn't even the earliest he's closed the nominations. It was up a total of four days whereas 2003 was closed within two.

2003 had informal nominations...
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Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?

Because he just replayed Final Fantasy VII.

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That wasn't even the earliest he's closed the nominations. It was up a total of four days whereas 2003 was closed within two.

But that doesn't change the fact that everything doesn't fall in line perfectly.
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Not here, but a lot of users don't obsessively come to the site every day.

There's a line that needs to be drawn somewhere. Right now, it's at thirty days. That seems a bit much; two weeks would be better and easier to deal with.

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Because he just replayed Final Fantasy VII.

XD
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2003's nominations were not informal. There was a web page and you could nominate ten characters.

Because he just replayed Final Fantasy VII.

XD

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There's a line that needs to be drawn somewhere. Right now, it's at thirty days. That seems a bit much; two weeks would be better and easier to deal with.

I don't really disagree, but at the same time I know Ceej won't do it.
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HM, I offered a suggestion. I never said that the contest would start in mid-July. Don't go around calling others foolish because you're not reading properly.

The suggestion made absolutely no sense either. Starting the contest at that time has more flaws than it does pros. Making it convenient for you isn't what he's trying to do. All of us could get a bracket predicted in that amount of time, but it remains inconvenient for the vast majority of the people. Thus we have to wait longer because of it.

HM, you're saying that AC doesn't need to give Cloud a big boost for him to beat Link...but it's just as true that Link doesn't need a big boost from The Minish Cap to counteract the boost from AC, or from Wind Waker's price-reduction. Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?

Characters such as Link, Samus, Mario, etc. are not going to get boosts from minor games like The Minish Cap or some stupid price reduction for The Wind Waker. The boost he would receive from that would be so unnoticeable that even bringing it up is stupid. Advent Children will provide Cloud will a very noticeable boost, but it does not need to be anything around 10%, hell, even 5% for him to overcome Link.

It requires a mere 2500 voters to be swayed from Link to Cloud. If you don't think a movie that gets everyone's attention back on Final Fantasy VII can do that, then you're only kidding yourself.

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2003's nominations were not informal. There was a web page and you could nominate ten characters.

For some reason I thought of 2003 as 2002. =/
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Lucid you get my sig for that one
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OH MY ****ING GOD. I CAN'T BELIEVE I'M SITTING HERE, READING PEOPLE ARGUING ABOUT THIS. I AM PULLING MY HAIR OUT BECAUSE OF THE SHEER INCREDULITY OF THE SITUATION.












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Because he just replayed Final Fantasy VII.

Or maybe it's because I have a brain.

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A think the fact that we even argue about these contests to begin with makes us sad, sad people.
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OH MY ****ING GOD. I CAN'T BELIEVE I'M SITTING HERE, READING PEOPLE ARGUING ABOUT THIS. I AM PULLING MY HAIR OUT BECAUSE OF THE SHEER INCREDULITY OF THE SITUATION.

Then stop reading and do something else.

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2002 never had nominations? o_O
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2002 had a topic on POTD I think.
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So you have a brain by thinking a new movie is going to cause a bigger increase than a new GAME and a price reduction of another game? Im not saying I disagree with you, but there is a legimate reason to think Link increases more than Cloud.
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CJayC asked Current Events, I believe, about who should be in the contest and suggestions were given out. There wasn't any sort of nomination process like we see today.

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Characters such as Link, Samus, Mario, etc. are not going to get boosts from minor games like The Minish Cap

Well, The Minish Cap actually sold quite well. It's the first new Zelda game on the GBA, which means new Zelda for a potentially new audience. I don't see why that wouldn't make a difference.

If you did, then you'd realise that you become a complete fanboy for whatever game you happen to be playing while playing it.

Considering you've been arguing against all forms of real logic for the past half an hour, I wouldn't say you are one with any right to talk about possession of a brain.
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If you did, then you'd realise that you become a complete fanboy for whatever game you happen to be playing while playing it.

Right. I've just been saying this stuff for over a year now. But you're correct, it's only because I'm playing FFVIII right now and I haven't once showed any signs of choosing Cloud or saying AC will provide a boost. No sir, this is stuff that has just come clear out of nowhere.

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All forms of logic? I never said it wouldn't start in august, just that there is a chance of it starting before then.
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No sir, this is stuff that has just come clear out of nowhere.

Err...didn't you say before that link was a lock for winning this contest?
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Welcome to Cloud vs Link: Argument 45 since the Spring Contest 2k5. The next 100 posts will likely repeat what people have posted at least a thousand times at this point, thus just repeating the same argument OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER again.

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Well, The Minish Cap actually sold quite well. It's the first new Zelda game on the GBA, which means new Zelda for a potentially new audience. I don't see why that wouldn't make a difference.

A Link to the Past/Four Swords was the first GBA Zelda game, actually. And it didn't sell anywhere near enough it would need to give Link a boost. But if you want to believe something like that would give him the increase needed to stop Advent Children, go ahead.

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Err...didn't you say before that link was a lock for winning this contest?

No, I didn't. I've said since the end of the last contest that Cloud would win and I would be choosing him for my bracket.

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No, I didn't. I've said since the end of the last contest that Cloud would win and I would be choosing him for my bracket.

Oh? So I guess link does win after all?

...Sorry I couldn't resist. Seriously though, I must have mistaken you for someone else with a mario or heroic account.
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Let me clarify, the end of the last summer contest.

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Yes, HM has been saying that Cloud would win thanks to AC for a while now. But to think that it will be able to counter actual games is a bit silly, if you ask me.

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If HM deserves one credit it is the fact he is consistent
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The only game it couldn't counter at this point is something along the lines of Twilight Princess. If both were being released before the contest, I would pick Link without a second thought.

But these minor games on the side are not going to do anything for characters who as popular as Link or Mario. They need more than just another game; it needs to be something big.

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The only thing is Im not sure how big this movie will be. You guys keep telling me its going to be huge, but outside of this board and Square-specific boards I have heard nothing about it. We dont even know really what type of advertising campaign its getting.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

If it was only huge on GameFAQs, that's all that would matter. Thinking it won't be big on here is a bit ridiculous too, but I'm not accusing you of saying it won't be.

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And according to Square Enix and Nomura, the advertising part should be getting started in late July, all of August, and then through its release.

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No what Im saying is the people who post on these boards might know about it and it will be big, but I wonder about the casual viewers of Gamefaqs and how they would be affected.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

I fail to see how they would avoid it. Advent Children is not big among the people of the board and no more. The movie has frequently appeared on GameSpot's Top 10 more anticipated games -- they stick it under the PSP.

Things have been down recently only because it has been a long time since we've gotten some really good information or big news from Square Enix themselves. The anticipation for it will undoubtedly rise once the advertising starts and more people are aware that it's coming out in September.

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Well I still have doubts about that and also doubts about how many people that movie will cause to switch votes from Link to Cloud.

Im still up in the air on who I pick to win that match.
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Just out of curiosity, is there any reason sqeenix isn't releasing it in theatres? I've been wondering about that, since they seem to have pumped a lot of money into it.
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It would be only limited release and would probably bomb. DVD doesnt need any many people as the theaters to be successful.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

After the nightmare that was the FF Movie. Square dosn't want to get burned twice I bet.

It would be only limited release and would probably bomb.

But if that's the reason, then wouldn't it have a very limited effect on the contest due to lack of interest? I mean, resident evil and tomb raider have both done well enough to get sequals, so this probably wouldn't do badly if it was well made either.
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Its an animated action movie and those two things combined = zero appeal to the mainstream audience.

Also, is it true that FF:TSW is the single biggest bomb (money loss wise) ever?
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

I think so, maybe Pluto Nash. It sucked either way.

I really hope not. I proudly own that movie, on dvd, and on pirated Japan previews. Just goes to show that not everyone who illegally obtains something steals from the company. I forked up my $8 to see it opening night, and another $15 for the DVD the day it was released.

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Well, it's officially Monday in Ceejworld, and there s no bracket to be found.
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*whew* back from a weekend with no computer...

Ulti, I posted an obscure answer in the previous thread but it seems more people than you thought remember Adria ^_^

Also, let me say I thought for sure the bracket would be up while I was out for the weekend. Oh well.

Maybe, when Miyamoto-san hears Link is in danger of losing to Cloud here on Gamefaqs, he'll rush the Twilight Princess release to help him... o.0
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So, It's 100% that it will be a 64 man bracket this time correct?

Nope. All we really know is that it will be a character contest of some sort.
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Whatever happened to the saying that a movie like Advent Children would only appeal to fans of Cloud anyways? And whenever I brought up the fact that people could *gasp* actually CHANGE their minds and vote for someone else a second time, it seemed like it was the most ludicrous thing I could ever say!

Anyways, yeah Cloud might get a boost, but it still doesn't guarantee a victory. You guys act like the Link we saw in 2k4 is the best we're going to get. Remember, that was only after ONE trailer. Now that we know all the information about the game, and the hype for the game has built even more, you can't possibly say that Link couldn't have increased in popularity over the past year either.

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The topic was made on Current Events. I nominated Cloud and Sephiroth >>;

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From: NewLib | Posted: 6/26/2005 11:30:44 PM | Message Detail
If HM deserves one credit it is the fact he is consistent

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, and the hype for the game has built even more,

The hype for the game has not increased over the past year. It's remained more or less the same. Hell, I don't even believe that was a significant reason for Link's increase last year.

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The hype for the game has not increased over the past year. It's remained more or less the same. Hell, I don't even believe that was a significant reason for Link's increase last year.

Because there were multitudes of other reasons for Link to increase.

Link being all 'realistic' again was what did the trick, not just the fact that it's a new game.

You're being awfully hardheaded about this, for some reason.
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The hype for the game has not increased over the past year. It's remained more or less the same. Hell, I don't even believe that was a significant reason for Link's increase last year.

Are you blind??? Just because YOU aren't any more hyped for this game doesn't mean other people aren't. During the last summer contest, all we had about TP was ONE trailer. That's it. You can't possibly say that interest for this game hasn't picked up in this entire year since E3 2004. It would be insane to think that.

And what pray do you think is the reason for Link increasing last year? It wasn't the game... it wasn't the pic... What was it then? 4000+ people just decided to change their mind? There HAS to be some reason for them to change it. Anti-champion?
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He's always been hardheaded about things..... Now he's decided to jump on the Cloud bandwagon for this summer's contest now that the wheels fell off of the Mega Man wagon. But hell, Advent Children is a much better argument than saying that Mega Man Anniversary Collection would be enough to push Mega Man past Link....
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Because there were multitudes of other reasons for Link to increase.

I never said that Link didn't benefit from the hype, because he most certainly did. However, the fact that The Legend of Zelda Collection was packaged in with the GameCube -- which went on to sell around a million or so GCNs and LoZC copies -- seems to be suggest to me that it played a larger role than any sort of hype.

You're being awfully hardheaded about this, for some reason.

Because the absolutely ridiculous idea that hype for the game shot Link up by that much is just stupid to believe. Very stupid. No one should ever believe hype would increase someone like that.


Are you blind??? Just because YOU aren't any more hyped for this game doesn't mean other people aren't. During the last summer contest, all we had about TP was ONE trailer. That's it.

No, I'm not. Hype has remained relatively the same for the game. The same people who were anticipating last year are the same ones anticipating it this year. There hasn't been any sort of drastic increase in the number of people now hyped up about the game. The new information has only served to get the previous people who were hyped all riled up.

Hell, did you not see how everyone was going crazy last year when they first saw it? Yeah, you don't see anything remotely close to that anymore. And that was right around the Summer Contest. If you do, in fact, believe that hype was the key last time you should not be expecting it this time. You'd be crazy to believe that all of a sudden more people are going to vote Link.

You can't possibly say that interest for this game hasn't picked up in this entire year since E3 2004.

Everyone is more interested in the game, I never said they weren't. But this "everyone" is the same people who were anticipating it last year. If you believe this hype is going to increase him again, then I suppose you believe he'll get little to nothing once the actual game is released.

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I would think that E3 2005 would help the hype alot since Nintendo's main focus was the upcoming Zelda.

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From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 6/26/2005 10:36:36 PM | #040
I'm pretty sure that was a typo. Take a zero off.

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No, that's no typo. Here, let me spell it out: TWENTY THOUSAND. Just check Alucard's and Tails' 2002 and 2004 scores, for kicks.

Anyway, there's definitely bound to be not a lot more hype for TP than last year.

What we knew last year:
- There was going to be a game at all.
- Realistic Link.
- Epona returns.
- Horseback fighting.

What we know additionally now:
- Link begins the game as a rancher. (Better than a lazy kid in pajamas, at any rate.)
- Epona's song returns.
- Link turns into a wolf upon going to the "alternate" world, much like the bunny thing in LttP.
- One or two other details pertaining to the story.
- Ganondorf returns.

Now, what is more mark-out worthy? I think that's pretty obvious. And if you somehow answered the latter, you're most likely seeing this through the eyes of the drooling fanboy who would've voted for Link no matter what, the Nintendo counterpart of the Squareheads who are still debating the finer (HA!) plot points of FF7 all day long on message boards. On the other hand, the former is clearly the list that brings the new votes. Link gained 3.5 points on Cloud in the span of one year. Now, it's not impossible that these new things bring in a few votes as well. But it won't even be a third of another 3.5 points, I guarantee it.
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SC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Link, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Bowser, Kerrigan, Yoshi

Again I say: Soul Calibur II = most of Link's boost in 2K4.
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Then why wasn't it in effect in 2003?
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SC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Link, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Bowser, Kerrigan, Yoshi

I would imagine that most of the people that have played Soul Calibur II didn't do so in the first three days it was out. And it's a different situation than what happened with Mario/Cloud in 2K2 because A) it was an actual Mario title, and B) all of the outside vote rallying.
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O_O I thought it came out earlier than that...
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SC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Link, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Bowser, Kerrigan, Yoshi

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Hmm...well, the site had the release date listed as August 27th, though the article I linked to had it coming out on the 26th...not too much of a difference either way. And the Cloud/Link match took place on the 30th.
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No, I mean, a matter of months.
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SC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Link, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Bowser, Kerrigan, Yoshi

Ahem...

Soul Calibur 2 + several LoZ games shipped with Gamecube for months (+ 1-2 Game Boy games?) + hype for LoZ:TP + possible pic-votes for adult-Link + possible anti-votes = Link's boost

...it wasn't just hype, fellas.
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Is Ryu the main character in all five BoF titles, or just II and III (the only ones I have played thus far)? If all five, it does seem a little disheartening to not have seen him in a contest yet. Main hero of five RPGs should equate to at least a fodderable cameo in the SC2K?.

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Kaxon, I actually meant PERsistent. It was late, I was tired.
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"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Well, speaking of RPG heroes that have appeared in several games and haven't made a contest yet, I'm still waiting for Adol Christin to get in. >_>
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 6/27/2005 9:04:08 AM | #167
Ahem...

Soul Calibur 2 + several LoZ games shipped with Gamecube for months (+ 1-2 Game Boy games?) + hype for LoZ:TP + possible pic-votes for adult-Link + possible anti-votes = Link's boost

...it wasn't just hype, fellas.

Then it could be a problem for Link... I'd have expected the majority of the pre-release TP votes to have sunk in by last year's contest. So if the part of the boost that's due to TP is smaller... hmmm.
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Is Ryu the main character in all five BoF titles, or just II and III (the only ones I have played thus far)? If all five, it does seem a little disheartening to not have seen him in a contest yet. Main hero of five RPGs should equate to at least a fodderable cameo in the SC2K?.

Ryu's the main in all the games. However, he does have some faults. He's a mostly-silent main, the BoF series isn't as popular as you'd think (Capcom pretty much ignores it in all their crossovers), and it's a different Ryu in each game.
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and it's a different Ryu in each game.

Like that hinders Link. ;)
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SC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Link, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Bowser, Kerrigan, Yoshi

Yeah, this Ryu guy was soundin' a LOT like Link, heh...minus, you know, the LoZ series not being that popular.
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--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

HM - while I agree with you that the contest is almost definitely going to start on August 1, you cannot deny the fact that there is a chance, albeit not a great one, that it will start on some other date. It's certainly possible that the bracket will be released later tonight or tomorrow and that the contest will start on July 25, giving us just under 4 weeks to predict.
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To guess the kind of effect that Advent Children will have, you have to take into consideration the target audience. The vast majority of people that will buy the movie are probably fans of FFVII, and therefore probably fans of Cloud and Sephiroth. It probably won't appeal to anyone else without a massive advertising campaign. I haven't seen or heard of a single commercial for it yet.
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Any chance that the "twist" is going to be something simple, like a much shorter prediction period?
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Who says there's going to be any sort of twist in the first place?
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*shrug* Just basing it on all the wild speculation, I suppose. Some people seem pretty convinced that there's going to be something different done with this tournament.
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Heh, this is kind of funny.

Today's Poll: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2044
Poll from 12/31/2004: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1866

Ownership has gone down according to those :P
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To guess the kind of effect that Advent Children will have, you have to take into consideration the target audience. The vast majority of people that will buy the movie are probably fans of FFVII, and therefore probably fans of Cloud and Sephiroth

And probably Link as well. You know, considering these are the three most popular characters on GameFAQs, you have to think there just MIGHT be the smallest possibility of fanbase overlap, right? A new release among FFVII fans (who just might be LoZ fans, too. Shocking revelation, I know) might generate enough excitement to cause some who voted for Link last year to vote for Cloud this year.

Maybe I'm just crazy here, but I don't think it's that farfetched.
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when advent children comes won't it have a small chance of being advertised on this very site? if something like that was to happen it could give cloud and sephiroth an unexpected boost. and if we have cloud vs link which we probably will get won't the boost from both side get us a potentially massive vote total?
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Kaxon, I actually meant PERsistent. It was late, I was tired.

Heh, that makes a lot more sense.
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Congrats to yoblazer, the Guru contest winner!

In response to tai from the last topic:

" I have to disagree and say that CT does deserve a third rep,"

Need and deserve are two sepperate matters. Once you get that straight you can come back and tell me I'm wrong (which I'm not).

Also, I never implied Pikachu should be in. Think logically for just one second, in my post I was saying that Slow didn't have enough new characters... so then why would I bring back an old one?
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"Now he's decided to jump on the Cloud bandwagon for this summer's contest now that the wheels fell off of the Mega Man wagon."

I will attest that HM has been talking about the strength of post-AC Cloud since before the last contest.
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Housekeeping duty...count 'The Sage of Board 8' into the Guru contest this time, as usual...
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The vast majority of people that will buy the movie are probably fans of FFVII, and therefore probably fans of Cloud and Sephiroth. It probably won't appeal to anyone else without a massive advertising campaign. I haven't seen or heard of a single commercial for it yet.

Why is it that you cannot think, even for a second, that there's is a great possibility that Cloud and Link share the same fans? Everyone seems to think that Link has his own exclusive fans and Cloud has his own exclusive fans with no one else in between. You're either a Cloud fan or a Link fan from the arguments you're presenting. That's clearly not the case.

Both Link and Cloud do share the same fans, that's just obvious. When there's something brand-new released that is all about Cloud there's going to be a new reason for them to vote for him over Link. Now, there are those fans that would vote Link regardless of the movie and those that would vote Cloud regardless of the movie. But these particular fans are not the ones anyone is talking about.

If you think for a second that 2200 - 2500 people will not change their vote after Advent Children then you probably do need to take Link -- along with some medication. AC doesn't need to bring in new fans or anything of the sort. We aren't looking for a KH-esque boost here.

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HM, stop trying to convince them... You are just giving eventual opponents an advantage...
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If you think for a second that 2200 - 2500 people will not change their vote after Advent Children then you probably do need to take Link -- along with some medication. AC doesn't need to bring in new fans or anything of the sort. We aren't looking for a KH-esque boost here.

Indeed, it's entirely possible that we'll see a Pandora Tomorrow-effect, where AC makes Cloud's character so bad that 2500 people will switch their votes from him to Link. It certainly looks like it could happen from the previews; Cloud's not nearly as cool in it as he was in FFVII.

I sincerely doubt that will happen...
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It certainly looks like it could happen from the previews; Cloud's not nearly as cool in it as he was in FFVII.

Yes, of course. That will definitely happen and Cloud will then decrease in strength. That's such a likely thing to happen. And we definitely know that people hate when someone uses dual-wields two swords, because that isn't badass at all.

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“The gate of tomorrow is not the light of heaven, but the darkness in the depths of the Earth.”
Vincent Valentine

I actually heard that Link gets a body transplant in TP, and becomes Tingle, so he will undoubtedly plummet in the polls!
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

Fisher did not weaken because of Pandora Tomorrow... he "weakened" because Magus is too high in the 2003 stats.
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Raiden fact of the contest: Alucard is a plagiarist, this year Raiden will prove it!

It's very plausible to believe Sam overperformed in 2003. He was extremely overseeding and Magus was extremely underseeded. Plus, uh...It was the 4th of July, what with the patriotism and everything...
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

No, that's no typo. Here, let me spell it out: TWENTY THOUSAND. Just check Alucard's and Tails' 2002 and 2004 scores, for kicks.

Yeah, because relying on unrelated anomalies surrounding far weaker characters makes perfect sense when judging a match between Cloud and Mario. You're one of those guys who is just a teensy wee bit too hardcore about using numbers to solve everything. Seriously, 20,000 votes? What the hell.

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"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Even taking Tails and Alucard into account 20,000 votes seems extreme.
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"Heh Heh... The wind... It is blowing..."--Ganondorf Dragmire

Well, according to RPGuy's adjustments, Cloud should've gotten 56.43% on Mario. I'm not exactly sure how he came up with that, but he's a genius with this sort of stuff.

Still, Cloud/Mario is one of the things we'll never have the answer for.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

Well, according to RPGuy's adjustments, Cloud should've gotten 56.43% on Mario. I'm not exactly sure how he came up with that, but he's a genius with this sort of stuff.

No offense to RPGuy but I gotta call foul on that. Cloud barely had 51% before the PGC link was even posted, IIRC.
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"Heh Heh... The wind... It is blowing..."--Ganondorf Dragmire

That's a load of bull**** too. Anyone who believes Cloud would have anything over 53% in that match is kidding themselves. Cloud barely had the lead when the actual link went up.

That 20,000 vote win garbage is equally as stupid. Watching that match, there was no way in hell that Cloud was getting that many votes with or without the link and game.

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“The gate of tomorrow is not the light of heaven, but the darkness in the depths of the Earth.”
Vincent Valentine

Well, you can blame Super Mario Sunshine for that one. PGC could've pushed Mario over the top. I believe he holds Tails constant from 2002 to 2004. If you try to hold Alucard constant, Cloud is nearly equal to Link. You just can't do that.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

Even if you assume that Cloud/Mario happened in a universe similar to every other poll in 2002, a 20,000 vote margin of victory assumes no vote-rallying for Mario (an impossibility given the magnitude of the match and how late it was in the contest), not to mention the match getting around the same number of votes (~130,000). It's almost impossible to get both of those at the same time.

This is why I enjoy not giving a crap about the Xsts </Lucid Faia>

But seriously, they're good for predicting simpler stuff, but when you try to make sense of a three year old match with data that doesn't fit 2002, you wind up with really stupid numbers and off the wall claims.

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"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Even with Super Mario Sunshine, I find it hard to believe that that match would have had that big a discrepancy. That match was all about the vote-stuffing and vote-rallying, neither of which are taken into account by hard stats.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

As I said, no matter what we do, that match will never make complete sense. 2002 was just strange all around.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

Personally I loved that match
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Anyone who believes Cloud would have anything over 53% in that match is kidding themselves. Cloud barely had the lead when the actual link went up.

Cloud has a tendency to increase his percentage throughout the day. 53% isn't out of the question but you're pushing it to go much higher.
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Cloud has a tendency to increase his percentage throughout the day. 53% isn't out of the question but you're pushing it to go much higher.

That's exactly what I was saying. There's no way that Cloud would have had more than 53% once that match was over.

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Vincent Valentine

okay, after reading this entire thread (along with several others over the past few months), I've decided that I want Cloud and Link retired for the sole reason that we'll stop seeing TP vs. FF7:AC arguments re: who's stronger between Link and Cloud. it's just the same thing repeated over and over, guys. there's gotta be better stuff to discuss, at least something that merits actual thought.

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Something better to discuss = SC2K5 Bracket
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

heh, good point.

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Chichiri:
" I have to disagree and say that CT does deserve a third rep,"
Need and deserve are two sepperate matters. Once you get that straight you can come back and tell me I'm wrong (which I'm not).

Third rep? Try fourth.

Crono, Magus, and Frog are gimmes. They clearly make it based on strength alone. Take one out for some jobber and you make the contest lesser.

Robo would almost certainly be quite a bit stronger than a good number of the contestants that will end up making it too.

But with this single-game nomination stuff there's always the issue of whether even Magus and/or Frog can make it based on nominations. Robo and the others probably wouldn't even come close.



Ulti:
Yeah, because relying on unrelated anomalies surrounding far weaker characters makes perfect sense when judging a match between Cloud and Mario. You're one of those guys who is just a teensy wee bit too hardcore about using numbers to solve everything. Seriously, 20,000 votes? What the hell.

The numbers are obviously what would say that 20,000 votes is absurd. That kind of margin is not something that's going to be indicated by any objective analysis I can conceive of.
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Robo and the others probably wouldn't even come close.

Lavos...

Chrono Trigger does not need a fourth representative. Three is plenty. I would expect quite a drop off after Frog.
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Assuming you were serious (that first sentence makes no sense to me), I was kidding around. I was saying that to conclude that Mario/Cloud would have ended with a 20000 vote victory all other factors aside is absolutely ridiculous.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Deserve 4? Only if we can come to an agreement that FF7 deserves 5. I do think Robo would do well for himself, even the girls would, but short of abracket of the 64 strongest characters possible there is no room for anything more from CT.
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Heroic_Cable:
Lavos...

I think we'd all be pretty shocked if he made a character contest.


Ulti:
Assuming you were serious (that first sentence makes no sense to me), I was kidding around. I was saying that to conclude that Mario/Cloud would have ended with a 20000 vote victory all other factors aside is absolutely ridiculous.

Yes, indeed. It's quite out there.


Chichiri:
Deserve 4? Only if we can come to an agreement that FF7 deserves 5. I do think Robo would do well for himself, even the girls would, but short of abracket of the 64 strongest characters possible there is no room for anything more from CT.

There's no room in the sense of, they just wouldn't make it based on nominations; in terms of strength they should. Final Fantasy VII, The Legend of Zelda (specifically OoT), Chrono Trigger and the Mario franchise are the strongest forces around here, so an "ideal" bracket in terms of character strength would be dominated by them (along with Mega Man, Sonic and the usual).

But such a bracket wouldn't be possible with even a constraint-free nomination process. And ditching the nomination process would be undesirable too. So we're never really going to get the super-strong/vote maximizing bracket.

I'm just saying that if such a bracket were to be made, 4+ Chrono Trigger characters and 5+ Final Fantasy VII characters would be expected.
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While we're talking about SMS's effect, do you realize that Soul Calibur II came out the day before Link vs. Samus of SC2K3?

Strength is everything? What about variety? Don't you think 4 FF7 characters + Vercetti would attract more voters than 5 FF7 with no Vercetti? Poor example, but you get what I'm saying...

Oh, and by pure strength (64 most popular characters) I think then every playable character from FF7 except Cait Sith and probably Yuffie wouldn't make it. Yeah, I think Barret is up there...after all, only around 35 characters so far could even manage 25% against an equal to 2K3 Link.

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Nice name, Leon.

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"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Thanks. Now only 72 more days until this becomes my permanent user name.
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Haste2:
Strength is everything? What about variety? Don't you think 4 FF7 characters + Vercetti would attract more voters than 5 FF7 with no Vercetti? Poor example, but you get what I'm saying...

If they were only facing each other, SFF would diminish total votes in cases where strength values were equal.

But Vincent, Tifa and Aeris would each likely attract more votes against "neutral" opponents than Vercetti. And generate more interest in the contest and more board activity (the board activity increase would actually probably be disproportionate to the votes increase).

And of course you'd be kicking out guys much lower than Vercetti in favor of more FF7/Zelda/Chrono Trigger type characters, not fairly decent mid-carders.

Remember, the point of the contest is to generate page impressions for the site, and new visitors—the more ad impressions, the more revenue for the site; with unique visitors being at a premium because there are marginally declining returns when it comes to showing ads multiple times in the same day to the same user.
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wouldn't make it

I assume you meant "would"?
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Really outside of the three main CT guys, I think everyone else would be around Lavos, which isnt enough reason to put them in this contest.

Zelda only really has three characters that are sure bets to have strength: Link, Gannondorf, Zelda. Epona could be > Kefka, but thats basically the only character.

Despite the people who believe 50 characters from FFVII could beat Kefka, I say you have: Cloud, Sephiroth, Aeris, Tifa, Vincent, Red XIII, Cid, and maybe Hojo/Yuffie.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

"Epona could be > Kefka"

Saying ridiculous things like that will get people to not listen to you quickly.
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Need and deserve are two sepperate matters. Once you get that straight you can come back and tell me I'm wrong (which I'm not).

Yes, you are wrong. Frog needs to be in this contest, and if that means three characters for CT, so be it. How can you shaft him after what he has done? Beat Liquid Snake and Master Chief in close matches...got 48% on Snake?! I think that's more than enough to put him back in this year.

Also, I never implied Pikachu should be in. Think logically for just one second, in my post I was saying that Slow didn't have enough new characters... so then why would I bring back an old one?

Didn't imply? Here's what you said: New Nintendos: 1 And let's be honest, not only is he an unlikely one but he's a board thing. Pikachu has a realistic chance of being stronger despite what fanboy logic dictates. Ness has been in two years, and while I doubt the EB fanbase will fail to score a third for him he really should see the bench

So, if you didn't think Pikachu should have replaced Ness, then who should have instead?


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HM does it all the time and people listen to him just fine.

And thinking of the fourth most likeable character in Zelda, it has to be Epona. There is no one else. I think Epona like Zelda could get a lot of votes for being part of the Legend of Zelda series and a critical part of the second most popular game on this website. I personally would have to think about the match, but where do you put Epona? I have a hard time beleiving Epona loses to Bomberman.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Really outside of the three main CT guys, I think everyone else would be around Lavos, which isnt enough reason to put them in this contest.

I think Robo, Marle and Ayla would be stronger than Lavos. I'm pretty sure about Robo at least.

Zelda only really has three characters that are sure bets to have strength: Link, Gannondorf, Zelda. Epona could be > Kefka, but thats basically the only character.

I agree that there's a big drop-off after the big three. And I don't think Epona would be all that strong. She deserves to be in ahead the real jokes though.

Despite the people who believe 50 characters from FFVII could beat Kefka, I say you have: Cloud, Sephiroth, Aeris, Tifa, Vincent, Red XIII, Cid, and maybe Hojo/Yuffie.

Stronger than Kefka? I'd say Cloud, Sephiroth, Aeris, Tifa, Vincent and Red XIII; maybe Barret and Cid and Yuffie. I don't think Hojo would be close to Kefka.

But still, FF7 offers a lot of mid-carder potential characters. And just a truckload that should be above 15%.
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I have a hard time beleiving Epona loses to Bomberman.

...Why?
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Despite the people who believe 50 characters from FFVII
could beat Kefka, I say you have: Cloud, Sephiroth, Aeris, Tifa, Vincent, Red XIII, Cid, and maybe Hojo/Yuffie.

I would wager that there would be other characters that would be ahead of Hojo, especially any PC character like Barret.

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Vincent Valentine

Despite the people who believe 50 characters from FFVII could beat Kefka, I say you have: Cloud, Sephiroth, Aeris, Tifa, Vincent, Red XIII, Cid, and maybe Hojo/Yuffie.

I agree. Except for the last part. I don't think Hojo or Yuffie would beat Kefka unless that match happened within 1-3 days of AC being out and even then I wouldn't be sure.
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"Heh Heh... The wind... It is blowing..."--Ganondorf Dragmire

And thinking of the fourth most likeable character in Zelda, it has to be Epona. There is no one else. I think Epona like Zelda could get a lot of votes for being part of the Legend of Zelda series and a critical part of the second most popular game on this website. I personally would have to think about the match, but where do you put Epona? I have a hard time beleiving Epona loses to Bomberman.

I don't care. Near to Bomberman is not good enough for Epona to be a fouth rep for the Zelda Series.

Also, WHO is Epona?
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Epona = Link's horse
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Faithful supporter of Squall Leonhart in SC2K5

Hmm. Fourth most popular Zelda character?

Assuming Sheik, Ganon, Tetra, and Agahinim (sp?) don't count, I guess Epona would be as good a guess as any although I wager Saria, Malon, and Majora, might be able to give her a run for her money.
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"Heh Heh... The wind... It is blowing..."--Ganondorf Dragmire

What about the old man in the cave from LoZ? :)
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I dont think Epona should be in this contest, I think 4 characters from any series not named Mario/Sonic or doesnt have new characters every game (Final Fantasy) is a huge overkill. Plus I could find 64 characters who would be at least above or around that level before I put a horse in.

I was disputing the fact that these series should dominate this contest when Zelda could only really have three, CT only really have three (I don't see Robo being very strong), and FFVII being the only one which could have five or more.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

I forgot about Majora. He could be strong (by strong I mean better than Vyse) just for the fact he is the title of a Zelda game. I really wish he had been in the villian contest.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

The strongest bracket isn't necessarily the one with the strongest competitors. I see the bracket like an open market. The bracket should strive to put in as much of certain things as it can handle, without oversaturating.

For example, FF VII. The general consensus is that three characters from that game isn't beyond the realm of acceptance. There were complaints, but by and large people were willing to take it. However, if you increase that total, the number of complaints will grow, as people fear oversaturation. The key is to find that magic total, the point of maximum returns, and keep it.

And if that means a hard cap for certain games/companies in the interest of the well-being of the contest, so be it.
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I think the maximum for every FF game between VI-X besides VII is 2 with VII being 4. I really dont think any single game should get more than 4 even if it deserves it.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

Why would complaints matter at all?

The popularity of the contest is what matters.

Hell, if complaints cause traffic to increase because people have something to discuss, that would be good as long as it doesn't hurt future traffic (which it wouldn't).

In any case additional complaints aren't going to be a big deal or a cause for concern. This place is saturated with complaints no matter what.
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Also by putting more FF characters in, you arent attracting a new crowd, you are attracting the same old crowd.

Vincent and Aeris arent going to cause more FFVII fans to pay attention to this contest.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

No way Chrono Trigger deserves a fourth character. As much as I love it (3rd favorite game of all time), anyone beyond Crono, Magus, and Frog wouldn't be too much above VLF. Frog had a great run last year, and he deserves a spot, but frankly I can't see him performing nearly as well. I would take Liquid Snake or Master Chief over him if such a rematch were to occur. Frog had a ton of rallying behind him last year, and that will have worn off significantly.

As for the remaining CT characters, I would say Robo >= Marle >= Lavos > Lucca > Ayla.
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For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to refer to Gordon Freeman versus Tanner as Schrodinger's Match. -Phoenix Flattener

Most chracters in SSBM other than Pichu deserve a shot at the contest. Saying that I think Pikachu may likely be stronger than Mewtwo doesn't mean I think Pikachu should replace Ness though. Don't jump to conclusions just because you can't concieve of me leaving it open. I also said more Squares should go then the number of replacements I named. If I had to choose, though, I think I'd like to see Marth or Roy get in, and I don't think Peach is a bad idea either.
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!

I think the FE twins, Captain Falcon, Falco, Mr. Game and Watch would all do worst than Ness.

I think Mewtwo and Peach are the only newcomers who have a chance of being decent.
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

I might be completely off with this, but is there any reason to believe Lyndis > Marth/Roy.

Also, I guarntee Lyndis is in SSB:REV
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"Why would the boost from AC be bigger than those?" - Mac Arrowny
"Because (Heroic Mario) just replayed Final Fantasy VII." - Lucid Faia

See, and this just goes to show how little I actually cared for melee... I can't even remember that crap like Mr. G&W were in it.
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!

Phediuk, I love you. That, *ahem*, store you told me about has everything I could have ever dreamed of.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

I'd take Mewtwo to be stronger than Pikachu, though I'd be iffy on that head-to-head. Either way though, when talking about Pikachu, just remember what happened in 2k3...

Link <--- Fox <--- Pikachu

...potential SFF-disaster there; it's all but certain in the Fox/Pikachu match, and it's likely (to a lesser degree) in Link/Fox too.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

Also don't forget that Fox and Pikachu were both in Cloud's 8 pack in 2k2.

We need Fox and Pikachu/Mewtwo to make it into the contest atleast once more.
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17 handhelds Nintendo has taken down 1 more to go (see quote for rest)

I think Fox will return, propelled back in by Star Fox Assault. At least I hope he will. He needs a fair shake to see what he can really do.
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It's just not the same without this name.
Faithful supporter of Squall Leonhart in SC2K5

Eight-pack? Well, yeah...but four-pack is even more true.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

After seeing Andross make it into the villain contest (and with a decent seed at that), I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Fox return unless there's still a cap.
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*is Janus5000*

I'm not guaranteeing anything...but I think there's a really good chance to see Fox again this year.
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Guybrush/Manny? God, that match would be like watching two old people have sex.
--Tnote/Heroic Viktor

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It's a shame that Falco will be outnominated by Fox and Krystal.
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Trainer: Clinkeroth, do mega fanboy attack!
Clinkeroth: CLINKEROTH! ~Pibb of Truth

I blame the furries.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

I hope this delay in bracket release is so that Ceej can double and triple check just how many nominations Dan Hibiki got.
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Jon Thomson - Ridley, CATS, Gordon Freeman, Scorpion, Kerrigan, Ocelot, Duke Nukem, Jill Valentine, Wario, Dan Hibiki

He could've counted them 5000 times by now...

...alright, anyone computer-savvy here? I got a problem, and it's ****ing annoying.
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SC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Link, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Bowser, Kerrigan, Yoshi

Don't forget to sign up. Become a Guru today!

1 - UltimaterializerX
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8 - Heroic Mario
9 - RPGGamer0
10- Tirofog
11 - Haste2
12 - Fiop
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14 - Lopen
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41 - Buzzup
42 - Silverflame
43 - cavedog0
44 - Shake
45 - Lettuce Kefka
46 - Rufus Shinra 18
47 - Gooper Blooper
48 - Ringworm
49 - stepintothearena
50 - Zylo the wolf
51 - Fantusta
52 - XxSoulxX
53 - Heroic Gamma Ray
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55 - Master Moltar
56 - XIII is cool
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63 - Tai
64 - Shdwdde
65 - VicPez
66 - Sir Bormun
67 - Tjian
68 - Brainstruck
69 - ChichiriMuyo
70 - ShinDragon (sidharta)
71 - Brett with Atreyu
72 - Smurf87
73 - DeeJayDragon
74 - Weird Kirby Dude11
75 - DomaDragoon
76 - dragoontheguy
77 - Radix
78 - rpgapzx
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82 - ubarn
83 - King Morgoth
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85 - cyko
86 - Fett0001
87 - SecondBest
88 - Shivan Reincarnated
89 - outback
90 - A worlds envy
91 - Crono801
92 - LuniNutz99
93 - Sephirot1
94 - ExquisiteSamurai
95 - SlangEdter41
96 - voltch
97 - transience
98 - igota75
99. dethfddddh
100 - red sox 777
101 - Yesmar
102 - ff6man
103 - arkenaga
104 - meche313
105 - BeTheMan

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this may sound strange but how much is this site worth? after hearing that some sites are worth over over £400 million which is more than 600 million $ i'm interested to know how much this site is worth in total.
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

CNET bought out mp3.com, gamespot, and GameFAQs for $2 million total.

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Contest Archives: http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/

He could've counted them 5000 times by now...

...alright, anyone computer-savvy here? I got a problem, and it's ****ing annoying.

Depending on the problem I might be able to help.
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

Let's see, whenever I play a game, it goes just fine, then the image just locks up and whatever sound was playing for the last two or three tenths of a second before the freeze loops vitam aeternam. It's only when I play games, whenever I'm on the Internet or Word or stuff like that I'm fine. If you need specs I'll give them to you, but be warned, I don't know **** about this stuff.
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SC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Link, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Bowser, Kerrigan, Yoshi

Let's see, whenever I play a game, it goes just fine, then the image just locks up and whatever sound was playing for the last two or three tenths of a second before the freeze loops vitam aeternam. It's only when I play games, whenever I'm on the Internet or Word or stuff like that I'm fine. If you need specs I'll give them to you, but be warned, I don't know **** about this stuff.

Has it always done that or just recently?
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

It's done that for a few months now, and it's really frustrating at times, especially when playing Diablo 2.
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SC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Link, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Bowser, Kerrigan, Yoshi

Hm, I have no idea. I've never had the problem. Just check to see that you don't have a virus or anything.
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

CNET bought out mp3.com, gamespot, and GameFAQs for $2 million total

And TV.com, apperaently.

See, I wanted to write a review for an episode in Zatch Bell, then it said I had to login. Then I saw links to the other sites on the top of TV.com, and decided to log in with my universal information, and it worked.

Wow..is CNet trying to create a monoply, or what?
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Hey slowflake it could be an issue with your video card driver. Try to install the newest ones from the company's website and see if that helps.

so what are the odds cjay post the brackets on either wednesday or friday
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

It should be Friday at the latest, but don't hold your breath for it to be released before then either.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

*holds breath*

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Bigpun and the Spurs PWNED me in the ass, and I'm not JUST talking about the court. TEE HEE *blushes*

Too bad my video card is a Voodoo 3. Yes, that computer is a dinosaur.

And so much for that July 15 start. Damn, for once he had the opportunity to have two contests a year and have the summer one finish at an acceptable date.
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SC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Link, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Bowser, Kerrigan, Yoshi

"Voodoo 3."

Give up all hope. I owned a Voodoo3 and it wasnt worth jack. It doesn't use the latest version of open gl and wont play anyhting newer than Diablo 2 without luck (and I'm surprised it can pla D2). Can that thing and get a new card.
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!

Why does everyone have an ancient computer? Just get a new one.
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

At the least, you might want to buy a budget graphics card. You can get things for under $100 that will be much better than the Voodoo 3.
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SpC2K5 First Vote Champion
Congrats to yoblazer, the Guru contest winner!

Bracket's up.

8 divisions of 8 characters. And yup, looks like the Villains Contest was held so Sephy could be made a champion.

Goody goody. Can't wait.
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Not only did all of my characters make it, they got high seeds. I'm overjoyed.

Nice additional Final Four there, too, with a champions bracket at the end. Good job, Ceej.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

CATS dies again. Yay :|

I wonder if King of All Cosmos takes his division?
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Summer contest nominees: Sheena Fujibayashi, Lloyd Irving, Dizzy and Slayer(Guilty Gear series), Mewtwo, Laharl, Prier, Lyndis, Kain Highwind, Locke Cole

My God. Some person named Jim Kazana got in over Fox McCloud?!
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Current Contest Bracket
Mushroom Division

(1) Mario
(8) Joanna Dark
(4) Ness
(5) Carl Johnson
(3) Zero
(6) Ryu Hayabusa
(2) Lloyd Irving
(7) Albert Wesker


Zebes Division
(1) Samus
(8) Yuri
(4) Riku
(5) Frog
(3) Ganondorf
(6) Yuna
(2) Auron
(7) Big Boss

Gear Division
(1) Solid Snake
(8) Manny Calavera
(4) Vivi
(5) Zelda
(3) Kratos (God of War)
(6) Alucard
(2) Sora
(7) Agent 47

Dream Division
(1) Kirby
(8) Cecil
(4) Tidus
(5) King of all Cosmos
(3) Bowser
(6) Chun Li
(2) Ryu (Street Fighter)
(7) Rikku

Flood Division

(1) Master Chief
(8) CATS
(4) Donkey Kong
(5) Sam Fisher
(3) Kefka
(6) Tommy Vercetti
(2) Crono
(7) Zidane

Devil Division
(1) Dante
(8) Terra
(4) Sara Kerrigan
(5) Vincent Valentine
(3) Magus
(6) Knuckles the Echidna
(2) Squall Leonhart
(7) Geno

Chaos Division
(1) Sonic the Hedgehog
(8) Jin Kazama
(4) Kratos Aurion
(5) Diablo
(3) Tifa Lockheart
(6) Vyse
(2) Luigi
(7) KOS-MOS

20XX Division
(1) Mega Man
(8) Conker
(4) Gordon Freeman
(5) Leon Kennedy
(3) Yoshi
(6) Laharl
(2) Revolver Ocelot
(7) Pac-Man



Tournament of Champions
Link
Cloud
Sephiroth
2005 Champ
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Final Sp2K5 Score: 70 points. Yoblazer pwned me harder than Link in a match versus Tanner.

EXCELLENT bracket. The best ever.

<3 CJayC.
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Light is but a farewell gift from the darkness to those on their way to die. ~The Boss
ZSB [aX]

(4) Sara Kerrigan
(5) Vincent Valentine

OMG!
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Dream Division
(1) Kirby
(8) Cecil
(4) Tidus
(5) King of all Cosmos
(3) Bowser
(6) Chun Li
(2) Ryu (Street Fighter)
(7) Rikku

And Ceej continues the tradition of having my favorites facing off. I've got potentially my 2nd and 3rd favorites facing off in the second round, with Ryu possibly facing the winner. It's just not the same without something like that.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

Hmm.. Sonic Team down to only two reps. And some weird seedings (IMO, anyways).

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The opinions expressed above are not necessarily those of my employer, not necessarily mine, and probably not necessary.

He actually did a great job with this one, or so it appears.
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

(3) Kefka
(6) Tommy Vercetti

Can you imagine the uproar on board 8 if Kefka loses that match? It'd be worse than Squall/Luigi.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

Magus/Crono is happening again though. Yuck.
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Light is but a farewell gift from the darkness to those on their way to die. ~The Boss
ZSB [aX]

So what will happen if the Tournament of Champions becomes Cloud vs Sephiroth?

Damn.

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The opinions expressed above are not necessarily those of my employer, not necessarily mine, and probably not necessary.

Sad that the 2005 Champion's going to be mere fodder in the Tournament of Champions, IMO.

I'm really going to overrate several of these guys in my bracket, I think..

CATS isn't going to break 10% on Master Chief..
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Summer contest nominees: Sheena Fujibayashi, Lloyd Irving, Dizzy and Slayer(Guilty Gear series), Mewtwo, Laharl, Prier, Lyndis, Kain Highwind, Locke Cole

I'll have to look at it 3-4 more time but I think... Ceej communed with god to make this bracket.
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!

We've also got a perfect first round 1 seed upset pick with Dante/Terra.

I'm upset that Zidane got hosed with his draw. We won't know what he's really worth this year. Kinda surprised about the lack of Serge, especially since the cap appears to have been done away with.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

It's a shame Sonic won't get to face Mario.
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

Aeris got snubbed again! XD!
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Light is but a farewell gift from the darkness to those on their way to die. ~The Boss
ZSB [aX]

Leon, Serge didn't get in...

Geez that bracket is killer. If it had Raiden it would be the best bracket of all time.
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Raiden fact of the contest: Alucard is a plagiarist, this year Raiden will prove it!

Hahaha, and Aeris STILL didn't get in either. We've got Tifa and Vincent, but no Aeris in sight. Good to see Zelda back, and with an intriguing first round draw, no less.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

As one of Terra's biggest supporters even I don't think upsetting Dante is realistic, and that's if DMC3 was the goggles.

And yeah, the lack of Serge is disturbing...
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!

I think CATS>Master Chief is a viable upset pick.
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

All right, so Knuckles isn't going to win a match this year, which means that the title of "weakest character to win a match every contest" will transfer to...Dante, unless he loses to Terra. After that, you have to go all the way up to Ryu.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

I think CATS>Master Chief is a viable upset pick.

No.
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Today's subliminal thought is:

Am I the only one who LOVES Kerrigan's first match?
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

Heh, Squall/Magus. Imagine the gloating Ulti will do.
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Light is but a farewell gift from the darkness to those on their way to die. ~The Boss
ZSB [aX]

Wait a second...Solid Snake might finally break through to the Final Four this year. Ryu is his only real threat...
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

Squall over Magus is a pick I'm VERY tempted to take.
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Raiden fact of the contest: Alucard is a plagiarist, this year Raiden will prove it!

In all seriousness, I think Cecil>Kirby is a distinct possibility...

Yes, I am being serious, not using my throw off technique yet.
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

Wow, Kirby Vs. Tidus is tough. Who is Riku anyway?
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Heh, Squall/Magus. Imagine the gloating Ulti will do.

...Don't remind me. I don't care what the odds are, I'm picking Squall in my bracket. I just can't take Magus there. No way.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

dammit, Crono vs. Zidane. we're still not going to be able to get a read on Zidane.

interesting matches: Zelda vs. Vivi, Bowser vs. Chun Li, Luigi/KOS-MOS, Dante-Terra, of course.

looks like we might get Seph-Samus, too.

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Okay, first glance run-down of my rd 1 picks, obviousy subject to change.

(1) Mario
(5) Carl Johnson
(3) Zero
(2) Lloyd Irving

Zebes Division
(1) Samus
(5) Frog
(3) Ganondorf
(2) Auron

Gear Division
(1) Solid Snake
(5) Zelda
(6) Alucard
(2) Sora

Dream Division
(1) Kirby
(4) Tidus
(3) Bowser
(2) Ryu (Street Fighter)

Flood Division

(1) Master Chief
(4) Donkey Kong
(6) Tommy Vercetti
(2) Crono

Devil Division
(1) Dante
(5) Vincent Valentine
(3) Magus
(2) Squall Leonhart

Chaos Division
(1) Sonic the Hedgehog
(5) Diablo
(3) Tifa Lockheart
(7) KOS-MOS

20XX Division
(1) Mega Man
(5) Leon Kennedy
(3) Yoshi
(2) Revolver Ocelot

Too bad so many of the new entries will be losing rd 1 matches that are rather obvious...
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!

Who is Riku anyway?

Sora's rival in Kingdom Hearts.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

Too bad so many of the new entries will be losing rd 1 matches that are rather obvious...

*rolls eyes*
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

The King is so beating Tidus.

...Shut up.
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NOMINATE THE KING OF ALL COSMOS

Crono will be facing Magus again? Nooooo! Unless MC upsets Crono of course.

My picks for "holy ****, I can't decide!" matches.

Vivi/Zelda
Kerrigan/Vincent

Yeah, those two.
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Today's subliminal thought is:

Lucky I'm not signed up to be a guru.. so many upset possibilities :P, and I really would overrate some of these characters to death, where it wouldn't be a shock if they lose.
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Summer contest nominees: Sheena Fujibayashi, Lloyd Irving, Dizzy and Slayer(Guilty Gear series), Mewtwo, Laharl, Prier, Lyndis, Kain Highwind, Locke Cole

*checks*

Wow, Magus has a good shot at winning his division...

...en route to a rematch with Crono. Lovely.
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Hurray, we finally have a bracket. Now to go looks at it. Hopefully it isn't painfully predictable.
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Big Boss/Auron could be interesting if Big Boss gets a Naked Snake pic, preferably with the eyepatch.
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Wait a second...Big Boss is in the bracket, but Liquid is gone...Surprising. Also surprised that Ceej didn't set up MC/Frog II.
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This tournament of champiuons sounds like a good idea. The former champions don't destroy the competitions predicability, and they still get to compete.
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Vivi vs. Zelda will be a crazy match. I think Vivi can pull it off. There are tons of FF fansites that could promote this match. I've seen it done before.
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This tournament of champiuons sounds like a good idea. The former champions don't destroy the competitions predicability, and they still get to compete.

I think it was the best option to do given the circumstances. I supported the "retire the champions" idea, but I always had doubts because it's like saying "this character is the best...aside from everyone we retired".

This way, we get a "champion" while the other three get to compete.
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I just realized that Kefka is out of luck either way. Either he gets embarrassed by losing to Vercetti or he gets quadrupled by Crono again.
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Snubs from the 2K4 tourney:
Ryo Hazuki (contest vet)
Luca Blight
Guybrush Threepwood (contest vet)
JC Denton
Earthworm Jim
Shadow the Hedgehog (contest vet)
Max Payne (contest vet)
Protoman
Liquid Snake
Crash Bandicoot (contest vet)
Tanner
Duke Nukem (contest vet)
Kain
Bomberman (contest vet)
Scorpion (contest vet)
Sly Cooper
Terry Bogard (contest vet)
Viewtiful Joe
Tails (contest vet)
Ratchet (contest vet)
HK-47
Jill Valentine (contest vet)
Lara Croft (contest vet)
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Who the hell is agent 47, and how did he get in?
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Moltar's Summer 2005 First Thoughts

8 Divisions = Wonderful Idea, looks lik Ceej liked the format of the Spring Contest, and decided to make a bracket of 64 with it. Also, a seperate bracket with the Champs is acceptable. Now let's look at the divisions seperately.

Mushroom Division
(1) Mario
(8) Joanna Dark

(4) Ness
(5) Carl Johnson

(3) Zero
(6) Ryu Hayabusa

(2) Lloyd Irving
(7) Albert Wesker

Johanna made it in? Impressive. Ness vs. Carl is going to be an EXCELLENT early bracket buster. Casual vs. Cult right there. Lloyd also surprises me a bit by scoring a 2 seed. It will be interesting to see if he is stronger than Zero though.

Zebes Division

(1) Samus
(8) Yuri

(4) Riku
(5) Frog

(3) Ganondorf
(6) Yuna

(2) Auron
(7) Big Boss

3 words. Ganondorf versus Auron! This match is looking to be big right there. We saw Ganondorf slip by Tidus, and with all the Auron/Tidus arguments, it will be interesting to see how this goes. I would have liked it more if Frog was in the bottom half of the division along with Ganon and Auron, but meh.

Gear Division

(1) Solid Snake
(8) Manny Calavera

(4) Vivi
(5) Zelda

(3) Kratos (God of War)
(6) Alucard

(2) Sora
(7) Agent 47

WTF @ Agent 47?!?!? I think we have our Adventure/Tanner of the Contest. In better news, Manny made it in! Inviso did it with PH and now Shake does it with Manny! Zelda also returns and has a huge Round 1 match with Vivi. Kratos vs. Alucard is also looking like a sexy upset pick.

Star Division

(1) Kirby
(8) Cecil

(4) Tidus
(5) King of all Cosmos

(3) Bowser
(6) Chun Li

(2) Ryu (Street Fighter)
(7) Rikku

Kirby as a 1 seed is AWESOME to see! Tidus is looking to take him down early though in Round 2. Bowser vs. Ryu should also be a great match, as these two are close in strength.

Flood Division

(1) Master Chief
(8) CATS

(4) Donkey Kong
(5) Sam Fisher

(3) Kefka
(6) Tommy Vercetti

(2) Crono
(7) Zidane

Chief gets his own division, and goes up against CATS in Round 1. Ouch. DK vs. Fisher could be good, and Kefka vs. Vercetti is another nice match for the casuals. The possibility of a Crono vs. Kefka 2 though is a rematch we need not to see.

Devil Division

(1) Dante
(8) Terra

(4) Sara Kerrigan
(5) Vincent Valentine

(3) Magus
(6) Knuckles the Echidna

(2) Squall Leonhart
(7) Geno

Wow, it's a nice looking division on paper. Dante is another surprise 1 seed (along with Kirby). He gets Terra, who got in from massive board support. Kerrigan/Vincent is looking to be THE match of Round 1. Magus vs. Knuckles should also be good. And Geno makes it in finally, only to be owned by Squall. Round 2 will also be brutal in this division of mid-carders.

Chaos Division

(1) Sonic the Hedgehog
(8) Jin Kazama

(4) Kratos Aurion
(5) Diablo

(3) Tifa Lockheart
(6) Vyse

(2) Luigi
(7) KOS-MOS

Who the hell is Jin? Oh well. Kratos vs. Diablo is looking to be sweet. Tifa gets in and faces Vyse in Round 1, and once she wins, she gets either Luigi or KOS-MOS.

20XX Division

(1) Mega Man
(8) Conker

(4) Gordon Freeman
(5) Leon Kennedy

(3) Yoshi
(6) Laharl

(2) Revolver Ocelot
(7) Pac-Man

Freeman/Kennedy?! Will GFNW continue, or will Leon be the first to fall to Freeman? Yoshi/Ocelot in ROund 2 also looks nice.

In conclusion, this is the best looking bracket we have had yet. It's looking to be quite the unpredictible and great Contest.

Now you can start the Aeris snub jokes.

No Shadow?

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looking further:

Auron/Ganon
Kratos/Diablo (this is killing me for some reason, and I totally missed seeing it in round 1)
Chun Li/Ryu (not likely to happen, but interesting nonetheless)
Magus/Squall

Mega Man's bracket looks to be the weakest.

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I just noticed Shadow got left out. I'm kinda sad since I did want to see what his strength really was.

Current Contest Bracket
Mushroom Division

(1) Mario
(8) Joanna Dark
(4) Ness
(5) Carl Johnson
(3) Zero
(6) Ryu Hayabusa
(2) Lloyd Irving
(7) Albert Wesker

(1) Mario
(5) CJ
(3) Zero
(2) Lloyd Irving

(1) Mario
(3) Zero

(1) Mario

Zebes Division
(1) Samus
(8) Yuri
(4) Riku
(5) Frog
(3) Ganondorf
(6) Yuna
(2) Auron
(7) Big Boss

(1) Samus
(5) Frog
(3) Ganondorf
(2) Auron

(1) Samus
(3) Ganondorf

(1) Samus

Gear Division
(1) Solid Snake
(8) Manny Calavera
(4) Vivi
(5) Zelda
(3) Kratos (God of War)
(6) Alucard
(2) Sora
(7) Agent 47

(1) Solid Snake
(5) Zelda
(6) Alucard
(2) Sora

(1) Solid Snake
(6) Alucard

(1) Solid Snake

Dream Division
(1) Kirby
(8) Cecil
(4) Tidus
(5) King of all Cosmos
(3) Bowser
(6) Chun Li
(2) Ryu (Street Fighter)
(7) Rikku

(1) Kirby
(4) Tidus
(3) Bowser
(2) Ryu

()
(2) Ryu

(2) Ryu

Flood Division
(1) Master Chief
(8) CATS
(4) Donkey Kong
(5) Sam Fisher
(3) Kefka
(6) Tommy Vercetti
(2) Crono
(7) Zidane

(1) Master Chief
(4) Donkey Kong
(3) Kefka
(2) Crono

(1) Master Chief
(2) Crono

(2) Crono

Devil Division
(1) Dante
(8) Terra
(4) Sara Kerrigan
(5) Vincent Valentine
(3) Magus
(6) Knuckles the Echidna
(2) Squall Leonhart
(7) Geno

(1) Dante
()
(3) Magus
(2) Squall Leonhart

()
(3) Magus

(3) Magus

Chaos Division
(1) Sonic the Hedgehog
(8) Jin Kazama
(4) Kratos Aurion
(5) Diablo
(3) Tifa Lockheart
(6) Vyse
(2) Luigi
(7) KOS-MOS

(1) Sonic
(5) Diablo
(3) Tifa Lockheart
(2) Luigi

(1) Sonic
(3) Tifa Lockheart

(1) Sonic

20XX Division
(1) Mega Man
(8) Conker
(4) Gordon Freeman
(5) Leon Kennedy
(3) Yoshi
(6) Laharl
(2) Revolver Ocelot
(7) Pac-Man

(1) Megaman
(5) Leon Kennedy
(3) Yoshi
(2) Ocelot

(1) Megaman
(3) Yoshi

(1) Megaman
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Jin Kazama is from Tekken, by the way. This is the second year in a row Sonic gets to score an 80%+ blowout on a fighting game character.
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Damn. I don't think anyone expected an 8 division bracket. o_o
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Looks like Ulti has to leave :P Manny made it in.
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Kerrigan or Vincent....
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Hey, you guys remember when we were talking about whether Bowser could beat Snake or not? We'll get to find out if the Koopa King wins his division.

Mario/Samus is an interesting Elite Eight matchup, as is Mega Man/Sonic.
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looks like A > B > C > A may be tested in this bracket - Samus vs. Mario in the round of 8, with Crono the favourite to be in the finals from the bottom half.

I'm liking this bracket.

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This is how I'd see round 1:

Mushroom Division

(1) Mario
(5) Carl Johnson
(3) Zero
(2) Lloyd Irving

Zebes Division
(1) Samus
(5) Frog
(3) Ganondorf
(2) Auron

Gear Division
(1) Solid Snake
(5) Zelda
(6) Alucard
(2) Sora

Dream Division
(1) Kirby - Could be upset, who knows?
(5) King of all Cosmos
(3) Bowser
(2) Ryu (Street Fighter)

Flood Division

(1) Master Chief - Blowout of the contest?
(5) Sam Fisher
(3) Kefka
(2) Crono

Devil Division
(1) Dante
(4) Sara Kerrigan
(3) Magus
(2) Squall Leonhart

Chaos Division
(1) Sonic the Hedgehog
(5) Diablo
(3) Tifa Lockheart
(2) Luigi

20XX Division
(1) Mega Man
(5) Leon Kennedy
(3) Yoshi
(2) Revolver Ocelot

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That's not Cecil from FF4 is it? I can't recognise that picture...
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w00t!!! bracket finally!!! although, i am a bit sad to see no that FF6 Shadow didn't make it, i am pleased that neither Shadow nor Tails made it in. and at least Cecil and the King of All Cosmos made it!!! woo-hoo!! too bad they will both lose in. round 1. =/

i am also very happy that Ceej included Clinkeroth without having them absorb 12 pointless matches. very nice.

and as of right now, i am sticking to Vincent in the Sweet 16 and i am not gonna change this one. book it now. Kerrigan will crash and burn.

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Liquid substituted for Big Boss....
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I might as well also add in that the bracket is ridiculously improved from last year. Taking out Clinkeroth was unnecessary, but I'll live, I guess.
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That's not Cecil from FF4 is it? I can't recognise that picture...

yeah, that is FF4 Cecil. his Paladin artwork is horrible. i've said for a while that Dark Knight Cecil would do a bit better than Paladin Cecil because of a much better and recognizable pic.

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I believe that IS Final Fantasy IV Cecil...
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wait a second, we've got Kerrigan vs. Vincent.

Heroic Mario's seizing up as we speak!

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It is FF IV Cecil. That's his Amano paladin artwork. At least the face is good on that one.
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Why the hell is Gordon seeded above Leon? That's a n00b trap if I've ever seen one.
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Weird how Sora faces another "47" in round 1 again...
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And it looks like Ceej is going to use the DOA Hayabusa pics again. Darn it.
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After Wesker, I'd be wouldn't be surprised to see leon struggle to break 60% on gordan.
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Knuckles streak of first round wins is going to end :(.

Knuckles streak of first round wins is going to end :(.

At least he's not going to face Snake in the second round for the fourth time.
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And it looks like Ceej is going to use the DOA Hayabusa pics again. Darn it.

well, even with a ninja pic, there is no way Ryu would beat Zero anyways, but, yeah, it woulda been nice to see if he could have performed better than last year.

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Has anyone else noticed the final might be Mario vs Crono?
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Good to see Cecil in, too. He'll probably be just throwaway fodder, seeing as how FFIV is an absolute dinosaur of an RPG (albeit a good one) and doesn't really have a devoted fanbase.
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Why oh why did he have to put geno up against squall? Geno is going to look like fodder after that match.
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heh, i think it's amusing that Nintendo, Square, and Capcom make up over half of the bracket:

Nintendo (10):

Mario
Ness
Samus
Ganondorf
Zelda
Kirby
Bowser
DK
Luigi
Yoshi

Square (16):

Frog
Yuna
Auron
Vivi
Cecil
Tidus
Rikku
Kefka
Crono
Zidane
Terra
Vincent
Magus
Squall
Geno
Tifa

Capcom (7):

Zero
Wesker
Chun Li
Ryu
Dante
Megaman
Leon

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Well, I think it'll be Crono/Samus myself, which has the potential to be very good.

I'm also very glad that Ceej had this bracket winner facing Sephiroth instead of Cloud or Link.
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Whoohoo, I did it! I got Joanna into the contest! Haha, I love it.

In other news, the Champion's Bracket was the right decision to make; I supported it all along, and I still do. The wait was definitely worth it... this is the best bracket in Contest history. Thank you, CJay!

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I just can't wrap my mind around Samus beating Mario. And am I the only one who thinks Mario 64 DS might have a profound effect on turning borderline fans back to Mario's camp? It worked for Link having Collector's Edition.
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Oh yeah, on a side note, I'm staying out of the Guru contest this time.
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We also got 9 females in the bracket, too. Nice to see after only 4(?) last year.
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My opinion on the newbs and some of the known entities:
(8) Joanna Dark - Barely made it, put into an unwinable match. Nothing special
(5) Carl Johnson - I expect a Vercetti-like performance, nothing more nothing less.
(6) Ryu Hayabusa - After last year I'm surprised he's back, with a realistic seed this time.
(2) Lloyd Irving - Should be an easy rd 1 win with a hard to deny rd 2 loss. Good seeding for this character, though.
(7) Albert Wesker - Shouldn't have even made an appearance. He's an embarrassment to his series.

(8) Yuri - Don't know this Yuri, just know it's an auto-loss.
(4) Riku - Hard to peg thanks to Ansem and Sora. Oh, and Frog being far from set in stone doesn't make this any easier. This match is a bracket buster.
(6) Yuna - What a waste to see her back. Serge would still have been a better option.
(7) Big Boss - If you saw the previous comment for this, ignore it. Still "Meh", though.

(8) Manny Calavera - Yay for Shake, I guess...
(5) Zelda - Back, and in a rather tough match that should unfortunately go her way. Rd 2, Snake... gawd damn that's not much easier.
(3) Kratos (God of War) - His loss is part of the plan.
(7) Agent 47 - Who? Another Tanner, probably. Watch him get smashed worse than we thought anyone could be smashed by Sora (excpeting Tanner, perhaps)

(8) Cecil - I didn't think it'd happen, ff4 with a rep. Too bad he bows out in rd 1.
(4) Tidus - Screws the world to hell, does he win rd 2 decisively or lose pitifully?
(5) King of all Cosmos - We are happy to be in the contest, but where is that diminutive prince of ours? Oh, and we own your soul.
(6) Chun Li - Beautiful! Been puching for her and guess what, rd 1 loss to Bowser. Not cool. At least she gets to prove her mettle.
(7) Rikku - Yay.... 4 FF10 reps, 2 FF7 reps. Yeah, that's one of the few downsides of the bracket but boy is it a doozy. Here's hoping she proves stronger than Yuna (yeah, right...)

(8) CATS - All our breaks aren't belong to CATS. Never will see him higher than the lowest seed possible, even when the board is backing him highly.
(3) Kefka - Poor Kefka, hopefully he soaks up a hell of a lot of brackets when he fails.
(7) Zidane - This proves nothing... dammit.

(8) Terra - Yay for new FF6 rep, hopefully she proves herself better than Kefka, too bad she can't win.
(4) Sara Kerrigan - Heh, one of the few noob vs noob matches and she gets paired with Vincent. The board will be aflame, HM's head will explode and I'll laugh as the FF7 fanbase carries me to victory
(5) Vincent Valentine - The questions is after He beats Kerrigan do I think he can topple Dante? God I hope I get this match right if I back Vincent.
(6) Knuckles the Echidna - HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA, Knux but no Shadow, there is a god! Too bad Tails didn't get in as well to really rub it in.
(7) Geno - 'Bout damn time, too bad this match may prove nothing...

(8) Jin Kazama - First time Tekken gets a rep since the first contest (when it got the wrong one) and he scrubs out round one. Here's hoping he proves that some fighters not from SF2 and MK can be at least mid-carders.
(4) Kratos Aurion - Aww, poor Kratos. I have respect for what he may be capable of (above Vyse, possibly) but I can't believe that he could beat Diablo.
(5) Diablo - The SpC left an lasting impression, of course now he's mid carder at best.
(3) Tifa Lockheart - She'll walk her way to Samus.
(2) Luigi - I swear to god, Ceej knows the XSt exist. XS2 came since hte last contest and Luigi got nothing, though.

(8) Conker - Barely makes it back in even with a new game?
(5) Leon Kennedy - GFNW, lucky Leon.
(6) Laharl - Why is he back? I think Disgaea is great, but he did terribly
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Mario WILL beat Samus. Mark my words.
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Mario will win the contest.
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If there are any people arguing for Kerrigan, you can stop. Vincent will easily win. See ya!
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Just saw the bracket. Haven't had a chance to really absorb it yet, but it looks good so far. Not perfect, but good. Anyone want to make a sig bet on Samus vs. Mario? I'm taking Samus.
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here's a question - will the universe implode if Tidus wins his Division???

i'm really pulling for Bowser there, though. maybe i will stick with him.

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Bowser wins that division for sure, the only problem really is Tidus vs. Kirby.
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Terra AND Manny got in. Its like Christmas and My Birthday all at once. ;_;
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The first thing that came to my mind is if the Tournament of Champions will be worth points, and if so how many. I would assume it'll count for something, but I'm not sure what.
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Carpe Diem, or so some may say. I don't really know.
*I have been officially owned by Yoblazer in the Guru Contest*

Do the winners of the top 2 brackets (Mario/Samus) face off first, or is it the first and fifth bracket (Mario/Crono)?

OMG I hope it's Crono just to annoy everyone.

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Lunatic Under Narcotic Influence
I got pwned by Yoblazer in the Guru Contest

realistically, i could see Tidus, Bowser, or Ryu come out of that division, but i have a feeling that Bowser has increased a bit beyond what his 2K3 stats say and that his impressive Final Four appearance against Sephiroth will subliminally influence a handful of people and will give him the edge over Ryu and Tidus.

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Official Co-Host for PUB TRIVIA XV
Yoblazer is officially THE MAN for beating us all in SpC2K5!!

I'm thinking either Mario/Crono or Samus/Crono in the finals.

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

I've nominated Geno and Vincent (and Vivi, but this isn't his first time in) every year since 2k3 along with Chun-li since last year. That with Terra making it and the number of returning favorites I couldn't bring myself to nominate makes this a good bracket for me.
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!

btw - i am also pleased that we will have a new member to the Final Four and two new members to the Elite Eight.

eeeeeeexcellllent........ *taps fingers together*

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Official Co-Host for PUB TRIVIA XV
Yoblazer is officially THE MAN for beating us all in SpC2K5!!

Ryu will make for a DAMN good match, but this is still Bowser's division to lose.
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!

I'm personally leaning toward taking Ryu to win that division right now. Still, that division is way up in the air. The Dream Division may turn out to be a nightmare.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

Mega Man wins against Mario. Book it.

Blimey, I'll need to have a think about the rest of it, and then look for notable omissions... Crono a 2 and Kirby a 1 is amusing :-)
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Jon Thomson - Ridley, CATS, Gordon Freeman, Scorpion, Kerrigan, Ocelot, Duke Nukem, Jill Valentine, Wario, Dan Hibiki

Tricky probable rd. 2 match: Alucard vs. Sora. I hate this match.
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The world is toroidal

I just noticed... no Tails! Best bracket ever. The absence of half my picks is just made up for with one omission.
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Jon Thomson - Ridley, CATS, Gordon Freeman, Scorpion, Kerrigan, Ocelot, Duke Nukem, Jill Valentine, Wario, Dan Hibiki

The retireees, for better or worse (excluding the champions, since they still get some action):

Ryo Hazuki
Luca
Guybrush
JC Denton
Earthworm Jim
Shadow
Max Payne
Protoman
Liquid Snake
Crash
Tanner
Duke Nukem
Kain
Bomberman
Jak
Scorpion
Sly Cooper
Terry Bogard
Tails
Viewtiful Joe
Ratchet
HK-47
Lara Croft
23 (+3)... almost as big of a shake-up as 2k3!

I'll miss you guys...:
1. Terry Bogard, one of my all time favorites
2. Bomberman, love the little guy and his games, liked him in the contest too.
3. Duke Nukem, used to hate the Duke, but he's grown on me... especially as a contestant. Forever, Duke.
4. Viewtiful Joe, too bad he sucked as a contestant
5. Tails, childhood favorite and all

And excepting Protoman and LS, the other 16 really needed to see benchtime AND I was rooting for it to happen. Most of them are welcome to burn.

On the flipside...
Why the hell are you here?:
1. Wesker, you suck
2. Laharl, you suck less than wesker but still don't need to be here
3. Sam Fisher, you suck
4. Yuna, you can beat everyone else on the list but you still suck
5. Pac Man, you munch, a lot... you don't suck but you sure aren't a competitor.
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!

Aw, Pac Man deserves to stay over Jin at least.

Alucard/Sora, Kirby/Tidus, and Dante/Vincent have proven to be tough-to-call matches.

I really hope Terra beats Dante. =\

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

Tidus will beat Kirby comfortably.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
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Dante will probably slaughter Terra, and do horrible in the next rounds and make Terra look bad.

Oh well, I bet Raiden will get in next year, with Metal Gear Solid 4. It'll be out in time, right? Unfortunately people will accredit my ranting being halfway correct to a boost from Metal Gear Solid 4.

And am I the only one that thinks Kratos vs Diablo is the toughest match of round 1?
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Raiden fact of the contest: Alucard is a plagiarist, this year Raiden will prove it!

And am I the only one that thinks Kratos vs Diablo is the toughest match of round 1?

Probably. Diablo has that wrapped up.

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

The retireees, for better or worse (excluding the champions, since they still get some action):

Ryo Hazuki
Luca
Guybrush
JC Denton
Earthworm Jim
Shadow
Max Payne
Protoman
Liquid Snake
Crash
Tanner
Duke Nukem
Kain
Bomberman
Jak
Scorpion
Sly Cooper
Terry Bogard
Tails
Viewtiful Joe
Ratchet
HK-47
Lara Crofy

Jill Valentine's no longer with us as well.

Dante wouldn't slaughter Kefka, much less Terra.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

So what's the consensus on GoW Kratos versus Alucard? I think it has potential to be more unpredictable than people expect.
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Currently Playing: Sticky Balls, Hello Kitty Bubblegum Girlfriends, Big Rigs, Color a Dinosaur, Sweet Cookie Pie, Rap Quest, Rocket Power: Gettin' Air

*TOS SPOILERS*









The Devil will Beat the Angel.
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The King of all Cosmos' route to summer victory:
Round 1: (4) Tidus... LET ME DREAM :

Alucards usually in the top 25. I really doubt Kratos is that strong.

You do not fully comprehend the plan if you believe Alucard could lose that.
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The King of all Cosmos' route to summer victory:
Round 1: (4) Tidus... LET ME DREAM :

I've got Alucard winning the four-pack.
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Jon Thomson - Ridley, CATS, Gordon Freeman, Scorpion, Kerrigan, Ocelot, Duke Nukem, Jill Valentine, Wario, Dan Hibiki

After Mithos got like 39% on Kefka, I can't say I'd be that surprised to see Kratos get 55%+...
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Raiden fact of the contest: Alucard is a plagiarist, this year Raiden will prove it!

55%+ on Kefka, that is.
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Raiden fact of the contest: Alucard is a plagiarist, this year Raiden will prove it!

If Kratos got 55% on Kefka then he'd be extremely close to Diablo in strength. A tiny bit stronger.

I'm gonna put up the new topic...
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

Awesome bracket, but no Shadow or Aeris sucks. And I see some super mega upsets materializing in this bracket, and some horrifically unjust elite eight members.

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Team Dragostea Din Tei for Trivia XV

So the ToC is also part of the actual predictions/scoring?
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Think fast. Click faster.

The noobs!
Joanna Dark
CJ
Lloyd
Yuri
Riku
Big Boss
Manny
Kratos
Agent 47
Cecil
The King of all Cosmos
Chun-li
Rikku
Zidane
Terra
Kerrigan
Vincent
Geno
Jin
Kratos Aurion
Tifa
Leon
22! Way better than 2k4, though not as high at 2k3 (which is expected)

Out of retirement:
Yuna
Zelda

Where are you?:
1. Aeris, double snub for the flower girl. Love her, will always nominate her, but sicne she did make way for so many newbs I won't cry for her (much)
2. Strider, the board's highest nominated character to miss the contest, and yaet another one of my noms to miss it (second year nominating him, too)
3. Sub-Zero (and MK in general), did you split with Scorpion or something? Joo phailed!
4. Peach, yeah, I'm still pissed that people talked her up enough for me to think she was worth nominating
5. Serge, "You shoulda been there man, it was the best party ever!" - Crono to Serge

Well, that's what he would have said, if he wasn't a (not quite complete) mute.
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The world is toroidal

Early elite 8 predictions (subject to change, obviously) below:
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Jon Thomson - MARIO, Samus, SOLID SNAKE, Bowser, CRONO, Squall, Sonic, MEGA MAN

Yeah, I did miss Jill...
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!

Hmm. Official prediction:

Samus will beat Mario, and will defeat Crono in the finals to win the contest.

Which reminds me... when she does...

Then we will see Sephiroth versus Samus in the tournament of champions! :O

:D

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

Question: Which characters (if any) do you think could get 90%+ in their first round matchups?

I think Samus and Snake have great shots, but that's about it.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

Not if Mario Baseball and Dance Dance Revloution Mario Mix stop Samus.

I'd say Sonic has a pretty good chance at it.
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The world is toroidal

Sora. Does anyone on Gamefaqs actually play Hitman?

Nah, I don't think Jin is THAT weak. Sonic should do about the same as he did against Terry last year.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

If Kuja is a sign..... Crono...

Sora possibly? Agent 47 has got Tanner written all over him...
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Jon Thomson - MARIO, Samus, SOLID SNAKE, Bowser, CRONO, Squall, Sonic, MEGA MAN

Tekken 5 was pretty big, Sonic won't get 90%.

Maybe if Sora was a bit stronger, he could do it. He should get 80% easily, but 90% is tough if you're not really strong.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

Wouldn't Sora break 90% on Tanner?
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The King of all Cosmos' route to summer victory:
Round 1: (4) Tidus... LET ME DREAM :

Random fact: The Flood Division is the only division without a new character. 19 of the 64 characters have never been in a contest before.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

Yeah, he would break 90% on Tanner, but it's rare to see someone of that level of abomination. Then again, Sora just might do it.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

Wait. What contest has Zidane been in?
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The world is toroidal

So, how do you guys see MC vs. Crono going? Think he'll be able to break 45%? I can certainly see the Chief being the 4th strongest character this contest.

Must've completely looked past Zidane in my blind rage at his crappy draw. My bad.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

Good bracket, except for three things: Magus vs Knuckles, and Kefka/Crono II and Magus/Crono II
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Trainer: Clinkeroth, do mega fanboy attack!
Clinkeroth: CLINKEROTH! ~Pibb of Truth

Am I the only one who thinks KOS-MOS may be the biggest first round upset? Her and Luigi are damn near equal if the xstats. Plus, Luigi is known for being a dissapointment...

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Lunatic Under Narcotic Influence
I got pwned by Yoblazer in the Guru Contest

KOS-MOS did have Xenosaga Episode II in the past year as well, even if it didn't sell so well and she's barely in it.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

"Agent 47 has got Tanner written all over him..."

Precisely what I said.

It's hard for me to say who will get under the 10% mark, so I'll go with the CATS mark. I did alright last time, getting the fact that CATS would end up middle of the pack but missing a few of the cahracters who went below him. That was a wacky as hell contest though.

Characters who may look worse than (2k2-2k4) CATS:
Joanna Dark - It's not like PD0 is out yet.
Wesker - Why the hell is he here?
Yuri - Still don't know who this is, someone clue me in since this is the first time since 2k2 I haven't known a character.
Manny - Sorry Grim Fandango lovers.
Agent 47 - Also don't know this guy, except that he's in Hitman which is enough for me.
The King of all Cosmos - Hurts me to say it, but he could be the new CATS. I'm hoping he'd win head to head though.
Jin - Dad didn't do so well, of course even then Jin was more popular than Kazuya and had taken the mantle of main character and should have gotten in first.

No one else should even have a chance at being below CATS unless he has legitimately grown in strength since last year (But he didn't grow in nomination strength? I don't buy it)
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!

Xenosaga Episode II wasn't recieved very well though. Everyone I know liked Xenosaga I way more.

KOS was essentially a non-entity in XS2. Still, she does have a good shot at taking down Luigi.
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Yuri - Still don't know who this is, someone clue me in since this is the first time since 2k2 I haven't known a character.

Yuri Hyuga from Shadow Hearts.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

Let me be the first to say that there will NOT be a perfect bracket this year. Even if someone manages to get the entire main bracket right, they still have to get a Link/Cloud pick right.
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In 2006, nominate Captain Falcon
“TheRye is like Jesus, if Jesus ever played video games.” -Inviso

"19 of the 64 characters have never been in a contest before."

22 by my count.

Joanna Dark
CJ
Lloyd
Yuri
Riku
Big Boss
Manny
Kratos
Agent 47
Cecil
The King of all Cosmos
Chun-li
Rikku
Zidane
Terra
Kerrigan
Vincent
Geno
Jin
Kratos Aurion
Tifa
Leon
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!

Luigi did play a fairly large role in Mario 64 DS though, and XS2 didn't sell well at all. Luigi wins, 53-47.
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Light is but a farewell gift from the darkness to those on their way to die. ~The Boss
ZSB [aX]

"Yuri Hyuga from Shadow Hearts."

That's supposed to be Yuri Hyuga?! My god, that picture doesn't even look like the Yuri Hyuga I know. Unless they changed the way he looks in SH2 that's about as bad of a pic as they could use for him in terms or recognizability. In that case I know Yuri, though...
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!

The pic is rather dark, but he just looks too young (very round face) compared to how I'm used to seeing him. It really doesn't look like his character model or official art, and it doesn't look like any FMV I might remember Yuri being in. Bad ceej!
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!

Even if someone manages to get the entire main bracket right, they still have to get a Link/Cloud pick right.

And Sephiroth/Samus.

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

I'm kinda surprised that Conker is the only next-gen platformer character to make it. I thought for sure at least Jak would be back.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

Losing to Ness doesn't exactly give you good reason to come back.

Yay for Conker!
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Light is but a farewell gift from the darkness to those on their way to die. ~The Boss
ZSB [aX]

Getting beaten 70/30 by Kefka doesn't give much reason to return either, but that didn't stop Wesker.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

People on Gamefaqs actually like Wesker :P.

I'm glad Jak lost to Ness. Besides Ness being the superior character, there were a few chuckleheads trying to start a Ness Never Wins (NNW) fad. I'm glad we don't have to worry about that.

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

Minus the Kirby/Tidus fiasco to be, the Dream division pwns all.
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Trainer: Clinkeroth, do mega fanboy attack!
Clinkeroth: CLINKEROTH! ~Pibb of Truth

Wesker shouldn't have come back either.
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!

I can't wait to see what HM, Slow, and Ulti think of this bracket... I do have to admit that the wait was worth it.
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It's gender-confused fun in Godlike, as Altima duels Kuja at www.rpgdl.com!

Ummm....What about Kratos? He's a platformer...
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"Once you become as powerful as me, your have to take care of small time pests." - Saddler
"SADDLER, YOU'RE SMALL TIME!" - Leon, RE4

Tidus/Kirby was destined to be. Kirby is my 3rd favorite character, and now he will have faced my #1 (Squall Leonhart), #2 (Tidus), and #4 (Ramza Beoulve) characters. Expect him to face Luigi next year.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

I thought GoW was action/adventure, not platforming.
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Light is but a farewell gift from the darkness to those on their way to die. ~The Boss
ZSB [aX]

GOW is action not platformer. It has like one thing of platforming in the entire game.

Meh, you say tomato, I say Tamoto. Still, Kratos will fail like a platformer.
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"Once you become as powerful as me, your have to take care of small time pests." - Saddler
"SADDLER, YOU'RE SMALL TIME!" - Leon, RE4

Well, I've pretty much decided Mario will win this contest. Well, excluding the ToC.
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

My contest HAPPINESSES: Frog returned, Vivi returned, Zelda returned, Cecil made it, King of All Cosmos made it, Zidane made it, Terra made it (Hallelujah!), Geno made it

My contest UNHAPPINESSES: Aeris, Jak, Ratchet, and Bomberman all got shafted, and Cecil, Terra, Zidane, and Geno all have no chance in round 1 (except possible Terra, I'll be rooting for you all the way)

Other interesting things: Kerrigan loses round 1 (<Nelson> Ha-ha! </Nelson> )

I absolutely love the bracket. Cjay finally got rid of almost all of the total crap in favor of decently strong characters. I was not a supported of a Clinkeroth-less bracket, but I do like the fact that their deferring until the final rounds makes the contest much harder to predict. I'm curious as to how many points those matches will be worth.

And here are my impulse picks, i.e. the picks I made on my first look at the bracket without consulting any numbers:

Mario
Ness
Zero
Lloyd

Samus
Frog
Ganondorf
Auron

Solid Snake
Zelda
Kratos
Sora

Kirby
Tidus
Bowser
Ryu

Master Chief
Donkey Kong
Kefka
Crono

Dante
Vincent
Magus
Squall

Sonic
Diablo
Tifa
Luigi

Mega Man
Leon Kennedy
Yoshi
Revolver Ocelot


Mario
Zero

Samus
Ganondorf

Solid Snake
Kratos

Tidus
Bowser

Master Chief
Crono

Vincent
Magus

Sonic
Tifa

Mega Man
Yoshi

Mario
Samus
Solid Snake
Bowser
Crono
Magus
Sonic
Mega Man

Samus
Solid Snake
Crono
Mega Man

Samus
Crono

Samus

Cloud
Sephiroth

Cloud
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For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to refer to Gordon Freeman versus Tanner as Schrodinger's Match. -Phoenix Flattener

Proposal: From this moment forth, Agent 47 shall only be referred to as Neo Tanner, in the same manner as Who Cares and Not Robotnik.
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Light is but a farewell gift from the darkness to those on their way to die. ~The Boss
ZSB [aX]

Neo Tanner works for me. Has a nice ring to it.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

I wish King of All Cosmos was the new Tanner :P

*ducks.*

Hey, hey, hey.. sorry, just thought the game was a little TOO weird for my tastes, and I like weird stuff :P
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Summer contest nominees: Sheena Fujibayashi, Lloyd Irving, Dizzy and Slayer(Guilty Gear series), Mewtwo, Laharl, Prier, Lyndis, Kain Highwind, Locke Cole

Don't worry. You'll be able to laugh when Tidus doubles him up.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

Don't worry. You'll be able to laugh when Tidus doubles him up.

I don't know why.. I would be VERY shocked if that happens. I think that has the potential to be an upset, that's not really an upset if you look at it.
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Summer contest nominees: Sheena Fujibayashi, Lloyd Irving, Dizzy and Slayer(Guilty Gear series), Mewtwo, Laharl, Prier, Lyndis, Kain Highwind, Locke Cole

I fully expect a tripling from Tidus.
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Light is but a farewell gift from the darkness to those on their way to die. ~The Boss
ZSB [aX]

................ If you think KOAC has any chance at beating Tidus then don't even bother making a bracket.

I think that has the potential to be an upset, that's not really an upset if you look at it.

...Katamari Damacy is too cult to stand a chance against the main character of Final Fantasy X.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

Proposal: From this moment forth, Agent 47 shall only be referred to as Neo Tanner, in the same manner as Who Cares and Not Robotnik.

Sounds good to me.

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

I wish King of All Cosmos was the new Tanner :P

*ducks.*

*sharpens knife menacingly*
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The King of all Cosmos' route to summer victory:
Round 1: (4) Tidus... LET ME DREAM :

Neo Tanner also is good because it makes fun of NeoPets.
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Trainer: Clinkeroth, do mega fanboy attack!
Clinkeroth: CLINKEROTH! ~Pibb of Truth

................ If you think KOAC has any chance at beating Tidus then don't even bother making a bracket.

Well, I also thought Vercetti was winning SC2K3.. :P
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Summer contest nominees: Sheena Fujibayashi, Lloyd Irving, Dizzy and Slayer(Guilty Gear series), Mewtwo, Laharl, Prier, Lyndis, Kain Highwind, Locke Cole

So... no comtemptuous bashing about my pick of Mario for the win? Fine with me! ^_^
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

*ahem*

MANNY. ****ING> Calavera!

Viva la Revolución!

~Shake
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Signature: 'NOOOOOooooOOOooO
yoblazer:'I have you now!' <- Guru Champion.

Solid Shake!!!!
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Trainer: Clinkeroth, do mega fanboy attack!
Clinkeroth: CLINKEROTH! ~Pibb of Truth

So... no comtemptuous bashing about my pick of Mario for the win? Fine with me! ^_^

I'm gonna go with the same pick. I really can't see Samus beating Mario despite what the Xsts say. That and I think Mario will win Mario vs. Crono 4
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It's not like Mario has no chance.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

I changed my mind. MASTER CHIEF FOR THE WIN!
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"Heil Dweebenheimer!"
MasterMage119

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Sonic vs. Mega Man... that's rather harsh.
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!

Mewtwo didn't make it and I missed the opening of the brackets again.

v_v
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17 handhelds Nintendo has taken down 1 more to go (see quote for rest)

Ganondorf has been setup to finish the FFX three-pack.
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Trainer: Clinkeroth, do mega fanboy attack!
Clinkeroth: CLINKEROTH! ~Pibb of Truth

Auron over Ganon is a VERY appealing upset pick.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

Nice to see Chun-Li FINALLY make...but crap WHY Bowser??? Anyway, you think the Vixen's poll during the nominations may have given her the extra boost to get in?
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Nominatons: Chun-Li, Morrigan, Strider Hiryu, Sheena, Lloyd, Kratos, Nightmare, Lyndis, Tifa, Tron

I'm tempted to take Bowser over Solid Snake, after what Bowser did against Sephy and what Frog did against Snake. Anyone else feel the same way?
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For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to refer to Gordon Freeman versus Tanner as Schrodinger's Match. -Phoenix Flattener

Chun Li should be against Kefka, Kratos or Yoshi to make her first entry at least questionable.

Well, we were talking about it in the last topic. You may get your chance, if Bowser wins that division.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

you think the Vixen's poll during the nominations may have given her the extra boost to get in?

With no doubt.
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Trainer: Clinkeroth, do mega fanboy attack!
Clinkeroth: CLINKEROTH! ~Pibb of Truth

Oh, and Vincent will double Kerrigan.

Remember, you heard it from me first.
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For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to refer to Gordon Freeman versus Tanner as Schrodinger's Match. -Phoenix Flattener

Auron/Ganon sould finally put to end the Tidus/Auron arguments.
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Final Sp2K5 Score: 70 points. Yoblazer pwned me harder than Link in a match versus Tanner.

Well, it really depends on how Auron does. If he barely wins or barely loses, then it's still up for grabs.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

If Auron barely loses then I think most will think he's stronger than Tidus. Since lots of people doubt Tidus 2k3 strength.

Auron can rSFF Tidus even if Ganon wins in a non-nailbiter.
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Trainer: Clinkeroth, do mega fanboy attack!
Clinkeroth: CLINKEROTH! ~Pibb of Truth

Link
Cloud

Sephiroth
Samus

Link

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

Cloud > Sephiroth in the finals.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

I'm with Lucid
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Moltar's Comics - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar (GAC)
Final Sp2K5 Score: 70 points. Yoblazer pwned me harder than Link in a match versus Tanner.

Actually, adding the tournament of champions postpones Link/Cloud a little bit and gives AC a little more time to settle in, for whatever it's worth.
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It's just not the same without this name.
Faithful supporter of Squall Leonhart in SC2K5

Link > Sephiroth in the finals.
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Light is but a farewell gift from the darkness to those on their way to die. ~The Boss
ZSB [aX]

I nominated Agent 47 back in 2004, so I think it's great that he got in this year.

He's the kind of character that's easy to like: a white specter of death that floats through a world of vulgar, bloated horrors with grace and calm power.

The kind of character you'd gladly vote for, even if it meant being laughed at by every other gamefaqer as you walked by with your ballet and slipped the vote into the box. Then you'd turn around, give everyone else the finger, and follow up by driving to each of their houses at night, and killing them in their bed rooms--either with a silenced bullet to the head or by snapping their pencil necks with a slender wire cable, no traceable evidence left behind.

None of this will help him win 1st round, or even escape being doubled. But it's nice to see him get in finally.
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http://www.fanfiction.net/~mildguy
The link to my video game fan fiction. Updates begin in July 05.

Heh, the only good shot we have at a female/female match is Tifa/KOS-MOS (the ultimate TJF match, no less), with a distant shot at Terra/Kerrigan.
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It's just not the same without this name.
Faithful supporter of Squall Leonhart in SC2K5

Could SSBM possibly vault Ness over CJ?
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"A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice Chianti." - Dr. Hannibal Lector

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I'm thinking for the champion's bracket the first two are worth 2 points and the last one is 4. Also, it'll be Seph over Samus.
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!

Holy ****. The NBA Draft is on..the bracket is up..I'm sweating. XD

I'll put up my picks, for whatever they're worth.
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Could SSBM possibly vault Ness over CJ?

Ness'll do rather well, I think, but I don't think he beats CJ.

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Summer contest nominees: Sheena Fujibayashi, Lloyd Irving, Dizzy and Slayer(Guilty Gear series), Mewtwo, Laharl, Prier, Lyndis, Kain Highwind, Locke Cole

Ness stands no chance of beating CJ.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

SSBM barely pushed Ness over Jak, and CJ is from the hugely popular GTA:SA. I'll stop there.
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Moltar's Comics - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar (GAC)
Final Sp2K5 Score: 70 points. Yoblazer pwned me harder than Link in a match versus Tanner.

Ganon > all
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Moltar's Comics - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar (GAC)
Final Sp2K5 Score: 70 points. Yoblazer pwned me harder than Link in a match versus Tanner.

I'd love to see Samus win it, but i just can't see her beating Mario

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Nominate Cecil from Final Fantasy IV for the summer contest