Heck, the Spring 2005 bracket was one of the best we have had, and that only took him an hour to do.
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Really? I was pretty sure that last year the bracket didn't appear until July and that the contest didn't start until August.
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I think nominations started later last year.
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Really? I was pretty sure that last year the bracket didn't appear until July and that the contest didn't start until August.

I meant relative to when the nominations end.
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yeah, that and I'm sure I'm not alone in wanting the summer contest to not start in august again...

and there's not so much complaining as anticipation, and can you really blame people?
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Well, it would be silly to base it on that, since the nomination period has been fairly inconsistent. It makes far more sense to expect it to begin at the beginning of a month (in this case July). Even if a bracket could (and probably is) done earlier than that, there's no reason to post it up early, short of having a haphazard prediction time frame or an irregular contest beginning.
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I wouldn't mind a little longer wait for the bracket. I'm studying past matches and Xsts lists, I'm going to make a really good bracket this year. My bracket was a joke on the villain contest. I didn't really care at all, and just picked whoever was higher seeded, usually. Or who I liked better.
But later in the contest I started to get into it more, and now I'm here on Board 8, posting in the Stats and Discussion topic.
So yeah, I'm doing much better this year. My 2004 bracket also sucked.
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Well, it would be silly to base it on that, since the nomination period has been fairly inconsistent. It makes far more sense to expect it to begin at the beginning of a month (in this case July). Even if a bracket could (and probably is) done earlier than that, there's no reason to post it up early, short of having a haphazard prediction time frame or an irregular contest beginning.

He has tended to post contest related things on the board at irregular times and then make them front page announcements a bit later. It's reasonable to think that whenever he finishes the bracket, he'll post it here.
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MasterMage119

I wouldn't mind a little longer wait for the bracket. I'm studying past matches and Xsts lists, I'm going to make a really good bracket this year. My bracket was a joke on the villain contest. I didn't really care at all, and just picked whoever was higher seeded, usually. Or who I liked better.
But later in the contest I started to get into it more, and now I'm here on Board 8, posting in the Stats and Discussion topic.
So yeah, I'm doing much better this year. My 2004 bracket also sucked.

Eh, I thought the same thing would happen to me for the Summer 2004 bracket. And then I got a perfect first round and lost my first match by 7 votes! Ignore everything after that match, because it of course doesn't matter!!!
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Heck, the Spring 2005 bracket was one of the best we have had, and that only took him an hour to do.

I think the Spring 2005 bracket was mainly good because there were so many unknowns. And even so there were some obvious flaws, like not letting any of Ganon, Bowser, or Liquid Snake face each other. If Ceej really is taking his time in order to do a good job, I'm happy... but that doesn't stop me from being impatient.
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Congrats to yoblazer, the Guru contest winner!

when was the contest stats and discussion topic first start? i only joined by part 109
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Solarshadow started it in 2002.

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"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Emulating is... weird. And I suck with comps, so it took me forever to figure out how to get zsnes to work. Spoon had to literally explain it to me step by step as if I were an idiot, and with comps, I truly am. I suck with these things outside of the basic stuff.

Oh well, at least I can play Earthbound now.

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But ZSNES is so easy... my friend, you need some PC lessons. Quick, take one of those introductory courses! Heh.

Oh well, at least I can play Earthbound now.

May God bless your soul. You will not come out of that experience a happy man.

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Hoo boy, here we go.

Random Person 1: _____ is the best game ever.
Random Person 2: Nah, _____ sucks.

Lather, rinse, repeat.
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I wouldn't mind seeing Mario/Crono 4 but only if they can get past worthy competition first. Say have Megaman be a #1 seed and Mario be a #2 seed in the first bracket. Then have Samus be a #1 seed and Crono be a #2 seed in the second bracket. In order to meet each other again, they would have to defeat very tough opponents. At least that way, it wouldn't seem as 'rigged' for them to fight each other. And if one or both of them loses, it ends up creating a fresh matchup for the Final Four anyway.
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Last year you all whine that the bracket sucked, this year when CJayC takes his time, you whine that it takes too long.

No wonder why CJayC never posts.

To be fair on this, I don't know where it's been said that SC2K4 sucked...could it have been the newbies? I thought 2K4 was a great bracket....for company limits. ._.

Maybe CJayC is contemplating whether to take them out or not.


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May God bless your soul. You will not come out of that experience a happy man.

Hey, at least he didn't pay for it. :-)
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Great bracket and company limits cannot be uttered in the same sentence, unless there's a negation somewhere in there.

Oh, and it sucked because, wait for it, too many predictable matches and too much damn fodder. Vyse getting 60% on someone, ANYONE, is a sad sight.
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SC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Link, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Bowser, Kerrigan, Yoshi

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OH MY ****ING GOD!


I can't figure out for the life life of me what ****ing basis do you have for saying the contest will only feature Square and Nintnendo characters without company limits. SONIC would make it. SOLID SNAKE would make it. MEGAMAN would make it. SC2K3 had no company limits, and it was probably the best contest EVER. Do you UNDERSTAND that, Smurf?!

And Squintendo? I rule stupid play on words, now find another job or leave. D:


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I said HALF the field. Can't you read?

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Then you have no right to complain. You can deal with 1/2 a bracket having Nintendo and Square.
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I'd actually perfer if it were done in a fixed system (like the world cup)

For example

Nintendo - Top 13 of their nominations
Square - 13
Capcom - 8
Sega - 7
Namco - 6
Microsoft - 5
EA -1
etc.....


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Smurf , the cream of sonic fanboyism

Right... that's fair

32 character from 2 companies
32 characters from the several hundred others.

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Smurf , the cream of sonic fanboyism

Um...no..just...no. Fixed contest my foot. That's the day this contest crumbles once and for all.
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Right... that's fair

32 character from 2 companies
32 characters from the several hundred others.

YES it's fair! Get over it!

What's NOT fair is good characters getting shafted for absolute fodder like Tanner, ***Brush, and many others.
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I say CJayC should do it arbitrarily but still use nominations to a degree, like in 2003. Like, he decides we have Cloud, Sephiroth, and another FF7 character. Suppose Aeris is third, but Tifa and Vincent are in the top 64 as well. So he gives the shaft to Tifa and Vincent, because more than three FF7 characters would be kinda stupid. Now, since Square has so many games to draw from (and then there's CT that pretty much needs three characters too), 10 is definitely not enough to cover all bases, so it gets extended to 12-13, but if there's more big nom getters, put the cut-off point there.
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SC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Link, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Bowser, Kerrigan, Yoshi

Oh, and if characters get a lot of noms but have been in other contests and stunk up the field, AWAY WITH THEM.
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SC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Link, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Bowser, Kerrigan, Yoshi

Nintendo and Square are the two typically nerdy companies. The contest is not all about the board community. Most casual gamers play neither of those companies games, so by your rules that's half the field who they don't recognise. That would suck and lower vote totals.

Mainstream characters like Lara Croft, Crash, Master Chief and Pac-Man should be dead certs every year. Sure, they are boring as hell, but they give the casual gamer something to work with.


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Okay, now you're just talking BS. Ramza is the weakest FF character to date, and he was still strong enough to break 40% on Kirby.

The only Nintendo fodder we've ever seen came from Pikmin and Animal Crossing. Other than that, the weakest, like Wario, are midpackers.
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SC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Link, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Bowser, Kerrigan, Yoshi

Less tolerance should be given to a Squintendo character that messes up.

I don't see any reason why characters like Wario,Ramza,Olimar,Nook,Resetti,Kefka,D.K or Aya should be even considered to be put into this or any contest until they have a new game or something. They are well represented by other characters and just take up space.

Yet characters like Tanner are on their own and are unrepresented and so should be there.

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Ulti: How can you have never used an emulator before?! I thought I was jumping on the bandwagon late when I first used them in 2001.

Get with the times, my friend. ~_~
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Yet characters like Tanner are on their own and are unrepresented and so should be there

Are you saying Tanner has any strength?

Link would get like 95% on Tanner.
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While I agree with the general principle, Smurf, you're setting the bar way too high. Claiming that Ramza, DK and Kefka, three reasonably strong characters in their own right, be kept out is just stupid. Now, people like Rikku, Locke (;_;) or Barret SHOULD be kept out, because they are the tier below (I already covered Tifa and Vincent), but these three fall well within reasonable representation. Aya's case: she should come back, because then one of these two things happen:

- She REALLY is as strong as, say, Kefka, and falls within reasonable representation as well;
- People overestimate her and get their bracket/Prophet/Oracle picks busted wide open.

My suggested line-ups:

SQUARE (14): Kefka, Cloud, Sephiroth, Aeris, Squall, Vivi, Tidus, Auron, Yuna, Ramza, Crono, Magus, Frog, Aya.

NINTENDO (13): Mario, Bowser, Yoshi, Luigi, Link, Ganondorf, Zelda, Samus, DK, Fox, Ness, Kirby, Mewtwo.

27 characters is fine by me: we broke 30 in 2003, and it was the best bracket we've ever had.
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SC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Link, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Bowser, Kerrigan, Yoshi

32 character from 2 companies
32 characters from the several hundred others.

That's because the two most dominant companies feature the most popular characters. You shouldn't keep people from Square and Nintendo out in favor of some random fodder garbage that wouldn't crack 15% on Link or Cloud.

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Vincent Valentine

Nintendo and Square are the two typically nerdy companies. The contest is not all about the board community.

Going by our board, the only company that really falls in line with that is Nintendo. Square isn't exactly given nearly the praises here that Nintendo gets.

At any rate, characters from those two companies dominant for a reason, and it has nothing to do with the board. The people on the front page are the ones giving these characters their strength. The Lara Crofts, Pac-Mans, etc. are nothing more than forgotten, weak characters who only hold a small fragment of their peaked popularity. The "casuals" aren't giving them attention and neither should we.

I don't mind including characters who do not originate from Square or Nintendo. People like Mega Man, Sonic, Master Chief, etc. all do belong in these contests because of their strength. But without a doubt, the strongest characters are going to come from Nintendo and Square. And by having a measely 10 from each is far too low and generates a lot of extra, unwanted garbage.

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From: Slowflake | Posted: 6/26/2005 8:52:21 AM | Message Detail | #096

My suggested line-ups:

SQUARE (14): Kefka, Cloud, Sephiroth, Aeris, Squall, Vivi, Tidus, Auron, Yuna, Ramza, Crono, Magus, Frog, Aya.

NINTENDO (13): Mario, Bowser, Yoshi, Luigi, Link, Ganondorf, Zelda, Samus, DK, Fox, Ness, Kirby, Mewtwo.

I know your stance on five people from one game, but bringing back Ramza and Aya without Tifa, Vincent, Rikku or Zidane just seems wrong. You don't think the Princess would take out half the field?

But Mewtwo=Instant Win.

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I said 14 Square, not 14 FF, silly. Now 14 FF would just be too much. And 5 FF7 and 4 FF10? I thought I said never.
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SC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Link, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Bowser, Kerrigan, Yoshi

You put more than 3 FF7, and this contest goes to hell.
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I wouldn't mind seeing more than three FFVII characters considering how high each of them would rank.

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Shinra Soldier #28 would beat Vyse with over 60% of the vote, so that's a moot point.
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SC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Link, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Bowser, Kerrigan, Yoshi

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I made this bracket with close matches and little to no SFF in mind, don't mind the 15 & 16 seeds, I know they are rubish.

http://www.bracketmaker.com/tmenu.cfm?&tid=112417&tclass
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IMO 10 is enough. The line up in 2003 was, it was just Nintendo VS Square. The 2004 bracket made at least me happy since it had the best line up of characters. Some MUST for a contest to be taken serious (Terry Bogard and Guybrush) made it back and some new characters like Ryu Hayabusa, Jak and Sly Cooper (Why should only Ratchet represent the Ps2 platform games?) and of course Liquid Snake got in. I don't understand why there are so many who wants every round to be a nailbitter against a random Nintendo VS Squaresoft character.

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Hey cool, you put Yoshi up there twice. Now he'll have 2 chances... >_>
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You have no chance to survive make your time.

people don't seem to care that we get 4 sonic characters and might get 5 if robotnik somehow gets in. and people complain if we get more than 3 ff7 characters. well we do get more than half of the SSB:M crew and no one complains.

on a side note why is this board restricted to level 15 users and above?

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Close Nintendo vs. Square matches >>> Blowout Square/Nintendo vs. Fodder matches. Fact.
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Some MUST for a contest to be taken serious (Terry Bogard and Guybrush)

Prepare to get laughed at to hell and back for that comment.

*begins*

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...
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SC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Link, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Bowser, Kerrigan, Yoshi