That wasn't a Character Battle.
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I don't want to say this, but yoblazer's making me for him pwning me in the Guru Contest! *grumble*

*imagines at 128 tourney*

not only would it go on til christmas, there'd be so much fodder...

not gonna happen, luckily.
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Nope. God himself couldn't beat Sephiroth. FFVII Fanboys outnumber Christians. ~ jkmill550

Samus vs Mario - Link aside, Mario is Nintendo.
Sonic vs Solid Snake - really wouldn't like to call this one.
Megaman vs Mario - I've always theorise that Samus, MM and Mario are a A>B>C>A loop.
Samus vs Megaman - see above
Solid Snake vs Mario - a bit easier than the Sonic match to call.
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Jon Thomson - Ridley, CATS, Gordon Freeman, Scorpion, Kerrigan, Ocelot, Duke Nukem, Jill Valentine, Wario, Dan Hibiki

no way, 16/17 and 15/18 matches would be tight in a 128 character battle!

..and get about 47 votes.

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http://speeddemosarchive.com/mzm.html

Er, the CHARACTER BATTLES have always been 64. Not to mention 32 would be lame as hell.
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SpC2k5 FINAL SCORE: 72/80
*is Janus5000*

... Today's poll got me to nominate Chun Li.

<_<
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Flee back to your masters, Aldaris, and huddle with them in darkness! For your actions shall set us all unto the Zerg! ~ Tassadar

That and playing as her in 3S at my friend's. I suck horribly at fighting games, but she is so much fun to play as. <.<
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Flee back to your masters, Aldaris, and huddle with them in darkness! For your actions shall set us all unto the Zerg! ~ Tassadar

If we ever do have a 128 character contest, all I can say is that CATS better win a match.
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Congrats to yoblazer, the Guru contest winner!

Chun-Li is awesome. <3

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Nominate Vincent Valentine for the Summer Contest 2005.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/contest/contest_nominate.php

Far cooler than Mr. Masters.
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Flee back to your masters, Aldaris, and huddle with them in darkness! For your actions shall set us all unto the Zerg! ~ Tassadar

Well, I just rescued E. E. in MGS2. I must say, I dod not see that plot twist during th conversation with the president coming. I don't really like it, but I've seen worse. I didn't know it was possible, but Rose has gotten even more annoying. The fight with Vamp was awesome.
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No hard feelings, Colonel. Mother Russia can rot, for all I care. ~Revolver Ocelot
ZSB [aX]

A 128 character battle would work just fine if there were no company caps (from the standpoint of minimizing fodder). The innate problem lies in having a bracket where 3 out of every 4 characters is either Square or Nintendo. I mean, you don't think we could list off 30 Square and Nintendo characters that would crack the Vyse fodder line?

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
YoBlazer(33) & Robotnik pwned my (Ro)butt in Sp2k5

And by 30, I mean 30 that haven't been in a contest yet.

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
YoBlazer(33) & Robotnik pwned my (Ro)butt in Sp2k5

Yea. The unused cast of SSBM, FFVII, X, CT should cover that 30.
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Spring Contest 2k5 Score: 76/80 T-117th

That was pretty much what I had in mind, with the addition of Zidane, probably a few of the heros from VI and maybe an inspired Ridley, Sigma, Dr. Wily, etc...

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
YoBlazer(33) & Robotnik pwned my (Ro)butt in Sp2k5

*stares at Kuja*

There's no way there's 60 unused Square/Nintendo characters stronger than Vyse.
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Noms: Kerrigan, Leon, Lloyd, Ocelot, Lugi, Kefka, Magus, Frog, Terra, and Kratos.

Reading that again, I thought you meant apiece. Still, there's not 30 unused characters above Vyse, either. Being from Square or Nintendo means nothing if nobody has heard of you/likes you.
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Noms: Kerrigan, Leon, Lloyd, Ocelot, Lugi, Kefka, Magus, Frog, Terra, and Kratos.

Nono, not a piece, together. And if you think about character cap casualities, you will get to 30 a lot quicker than you think. Off the top of my head:

Barret
Tifa
Aeris
Yuffie
Vincent
Zidane
Seifer
Serge
Zidane
Zelda
Princess Peach
Toad
Ridley (I believe, not an xstat king)
Lavos (I believe, not an xstat king)
Dr. Wily (I believe, not an xstat king)
Wario
Yuna
Rikku
Wakka (debatable)
Mewtwo (though I am biased)

and I am sure others can add onto this list...

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
YoBlazer(33) & Robotnik pwned my (Ro)butt in Sp2k5

Barret -- Probably
Tifa -- Definitely
Aeris -- Used before
Yuffie -- No
Vincent -- Definitely
Zidane -- Probably
Seifer -- Maybe
Serge -- Maybe
Zidane -- Probably
Zelda -- Used before
Princess Peach -- Probably
Toad -- No
Ridley (I believe, not an xstat king) -- Barely
Lavos (I believe, not an xstat king) -- No
Dr. Wily (I believe, not an xstat king) -- Yes
Wario -- Used before
Yuna -- Used Before
Rikku -- Maybe
Wakka (debatable) -- No
Mewtwo (though I am biased) -- No
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Noms: Kerrigan, Leon, Lloyd, Ocelot, Lugi, Kefka, Magus, Frog, Terra, and Kratos.

Yuffie -- No

Yuffie would beat Vyse. I would guarantee that.

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Nominate Vincent Valentine for the Summer Contest 2005.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/contest/contest_nominate.php

No she wouldn't. She's an optional character that nobody likes.
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Noms: Kerrigan, Leon, Lloyd, Ocelot, Lugi, Kefka, Magus, Frog, Terra, and Kratos.

Everyone other than Cait Sith in FF7 could beat Vyse.

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Beauty is in the eye of the beer-holder.

Vyse would try and go PIRATES' WRAAAAAAAATH on Yuffie before he'd realize that she stole his cutlasses and was kicking his ass.
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SpC2k5 FINAL SCORE: 72/80
*is Janus5000*

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

People aren't into pedo kunoichis around here...

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Posts without a sig looks ugly, so I guess I need something here.

No she wouldn't. She's an optional character that nobody likes.

Being optional does not matter in a game that popular. And there's little backing the idea that nobody likes her, especially when you went and said that Barret would probably beat Vyse -- someone who is even less liked. The only FFVII PC character I would see having trouble beating Vyse is Cait Sith. Everyone else would probably do so, although the lesser ones like Barret and Yuffie would see more trouble than the others.

I would also expect some of the NPCs to be above Vyse's level too. And that's just from FFVII.

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Nominate Vincent Valentine for the Summer Contest 2005.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/contest/contest_nominate.php

Any of the cast from FFVII are capable of making some noise in these contests. Even an incredibly minor character like Palmer would beat Vyse.

Tifa and Barret should be as strong as Aeris, if not slightly moreso. They're definitely the most powerful characters who have yet to be in a contest.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

...Barret, as strong as Aeris?
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SpC2k5 FINAL SCORE: 72/80
*is Janus5000*

Everyone forgot to nominate Cid Highwind...

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Beauty is in the eye of the beer-holder.

Well, here it comes, the obligatory overestimation of Square characters. It happened with Kuja, it happened with Frog, it happened with Magus, and now it's happening with the entire playable cast of Final Fantasy VII. People will not blindly vote for Final Fantasy characters, even Final Fantasy VII characters. If somebody like Yuffie or Barret isn't well liked they won't do well. Franchise voting only goes so far. I would have thought that the last contest would have proved that conclusively, but apparently it's a hard lesson to learn. Thinking random NPCs would beat Vyse is downright laughable.
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Noms: Kerrigan, Leon, Lloyd, Ocelot, Lugi, Kefka, Magus, Frog, Terra, and Kratos.

You guys put too much stock in FFVII fodders.

Most casual FFVII fans like me only remember the "main" cast; Cloud, Sephy, Aeris, Tifa and Cid, since he's also in most FFs.

Others like Vincent, Barret and Red are easily forgetable if you're not hardcore.

The rest I can't even remember anymore.

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Posts without a sig looks ugly, so I guess I need something here.

I'm one of the few who think the Villain Contest and Character Battles are 2 completely different stages.

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Beauty is in the eye of the beer-holder.

I could see some NPCs like Rufus Shinra, Jenova, Hojo, and possibly Reno beat Vyse, but not many more.
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SpC2k5 FINAL SCORE: 72/80
*is Janus5000*

Well, here it comes, the obligatory overestimation of Square characters.

It doesn't take much to beat Vyse. You're acting like they need to be some sort of well-liked, very popular character to get over that hump. That's anything but the case.

People will not blindly vote for Final Fantasy characters, even Final Fantasy VII characters. If somebody like Yuffie or Barret isn't well liked they won't do well.

They are not the most well-like of the PCs in FFVII, but no one is trying to make them out to beat someone strong or even a low-end midcarder. We're talking about fodder like Vyse here. Yuffie and Barret would both beat Vyse and I fail to see how one could possibly think they wouldn't.

You're vastly underestimating them if you think that the PCs would start losing to Vyse.

Thinking random NPCs would beat Vyse is downright laughable.

Random NPCs? No, I wasn't referring to the likes of Scarlet, Shinra MP #133 or anything like that. I was, however, referring to characters like Rufus Shinra, Reno, Rude, and potentially Hojo and Jenova. There's nothing laughable about thinking some of the major NPCs could beat Vyse.

This isn't just any Final Fantasy title who would be winning on merits of being related to Square. This is from FFVII and characters that play large roles in these games. None of these characters are unknown or so disliked that no one would vote for them enough to beat Vyse. Like I said, the only PC character who I would expect to lose to Vyse is Caith Sith.

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Nominate Vincent Valentine for the Summer Contest 2005.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/contest/contest_nominate.php

Not only that: but Aeris didn't make the contest last year, so much for everyone going FF7.
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Today's subliminal thought is:

Shinra Soldier A might give Vyse a run. Yuffie would own him. Toad and Wakka (fairly easily in Wakka's case) I'm pretty sure would also beat him.
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He needs nominations, 61! Nominate Raiden (Metal Gear Solid 2) for SC2K5!
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=21155016

I was thinking earlier...isn't 1 month a little long for predicting brackets? I'd be fine with 2 weeks.

I don't need to be constantly changing my mind over a month. >.>
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Final Sp2K5 Score: 70 points. Yoblazer pwned me harder than Link in a match versus Tanner.

I don't know why it is that people are starting to question the timeframe for predicting brackets. We had roughly three weeks for 32 characters. And every other contest has been one month for predictions.

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Nominate Vincent Valentine for the Summer Contest 2005.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/contest/contest_nominate.php

I think RPGuy is way underestimating the other playable characters in FF VII, but I also think there's no way in hell someone like Hojo or Palmer could beat Vyse. In my opinion Tifa and Vincent are guaranteed to beat Vyse, Cid, Red XIII, Yuffie and Barret probably would, and Cait Sith might. I don't think Kuja is a worthwhile comparison to them, since he's from a less popular game and he's also not that popular within his game (obviously - compare him to Vivi).
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Congrats to yoblazer, the Guru contest winner!

For the record, the only playable characters I'd put under Vyse are Yuffie and Cait Sith. Barret was a "maybe" for a reason -- I'd pick him to win but I think it would be fairly close.
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Noms: Kerrigan, Leon, Lloyd, Ocelot, Lugi, Kefka, Magus, Frog, Terra, and Kratos.

It may just be me, but I always thought Barret was much easier to remember than Cid. While I won't argue for this, I also enjoyed Barret more than I did Cid, too; that's not the case for everyone, I know, but that's my stance on that matter.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Arbiter for 2k5
Serious Reminder: Nominate Tifa Lockheart for 2k5, too

Wow, I can't believe how people are underestimating the power of Final Fantasy VII. People are debating whether Barret can beat VYSE? I'm not trying to say he would hold a lot of contest strength, but somebody just said that Barret, Red XIII, and VINCENT were forgettable? But Cid is not? Outside of Cait Sith, most of the FFVII cast would be able to do some damage in this contest.

If anything, I would think that Barret would be closer to DK than Vyse. I think they are kind of similar. How many hardcore DK fans do you know? But people still recognize and vote for him. I think Yuffie would probably get some of the same treatment as well. I think a lot of Final Fantasy VII characters would be able to defeat Vyse directly, although their indirect strength might not be much more (Reno, Rufus, Yuffie).
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Also, while I think Yuffie and Cait Sith are iffy-maybe's against Vyse, I'd still take them both against Vyse. Vyse is practically the dead-line for me before we get into fodder...I don't consider Yuffie nor CS fodder.

As for the comparisons with Kuja about how you gotta have people to care for ya, you're exactly right...but then again, that was an NPC in the "non-existant" FF9 (and I also hear you don't even see him until the very end of the first disc). Yuffie and Cait, while they're also far into the first disc before you see them, are playable characters in FF7. I guarantee that both Yuffie and Cait Sith will be noticably stronger than Kuja (and AT LEAST as strong as Sin or Ultros, though I'll gladly take 'em both alot higher than that) from that stand-point alone. From there, Yuffie has a fanbase of her own (though I don't think she'd be much stronger than CS, if any, due to being a secret character and not having THAT big of a fanbase) and CS still gets alot of talk for sucking as much as he does.

Again, I stress that picking Yuffie and/or Cait Sith over Vyse is iffy, but I'd do it and I don't think comparing how Kuja did is fair.


Just in case anybody remembers, I'll throw in that I think I went on record saying a week or two ago that I'd take both of them to barely get over 20% against Link 2k4...I take that back, heh.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Arbiter for 2k5
Serious Reminder: Nominate Tifa Lockheart for 2k5, too

And don't forget that Yuffie has....

*cue dramatic music*

KINGDOM HEARTS FACTOR!!!!

*world gasps*
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Guru List:

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Ngamer64
3 - yoblazer33
4 - Team Rocket Elite
5 - Mister Mario
6 - HaRRicH
7 - NewLib
8 - Heroic Mario
9 - RPGGamer0
10- Tirofog
11 - Haste2
12 - Fiop
13 - Starion
14 - Lopen
15 - greatone10
16 - MegatokyoEd
17 - SonicRaptor
18 - Lucid Faia
19 - Draco1214
20 - Gr8CyberMonkey
21 - Heroic Viktor (tnote)
22 - Undeniable
23 - CaptainFlufflez
24 - Dranze
25 - Vile Requiem
26 - Forceful Dragon
27 - Lieutenant Kettch
28 - swirldude
29 - andaca
30 - Ed_Bellis
31 - RPGuy96
32 - Janus5000
33 - Dilated Chemist
34 - Applekidjosh
35 - Mac Arrowny
36 - Z1mZum
37 - Link Jr
38 - Aprosenf
39 - Chinballz
40 - somdude04
41 - Buzzup
42 - Silverflame
43 - cavedog0
44 - Shake
45 - Lettuce Kefka
46 - Rufus Shinra 18
47 - Gooper Blooper
48 - Ringworm
49 - stepintothearena
50 - Zylo the wolf
51 - Fantusta
52 - XxSoulxX
53 - Heroic Gamma Ray
54 - jonthomson
55 - Master Moltar
56 - XIII is cool
57 - Tediz247
58 - charmander6000
59 - plasmabeam
60 - Phediuk
61 - alpha door
62 - ExThaNemesis
63 - Tai
64 - Shdwdde
65 - VicPez
66 - Sir Bormun
67 - Tjian
68 - Brainstruck
69 - ChichiriMuyo
70 - ShinDragon (sidharta)
71 - Brett with Atreyu
72 - Smurf87
73 - DeeJayDragon
74 - Weird Kirby Dude11
75 - DomaDragoon
76 - dragoontheguy
77 - Radix
78 - rpgapzx
79 - PugTheNinja
80 - Kaxon
81 - FastFalcon05
82 - ubarn
83 - King Morgoth
84 - Mithrandir1331
85 - cyko
86 - Fett0001
87 - SecondBest
88 - Shivan Reincarnated
89 - outback
90 - A worlds envy
91 - Crono801
92 - LuniNutz99
93 - Sephirot1
94 - ExquisiteSamurai
95 - SlangEdter41
96 - voltch
97 - transience
98 - igota75

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

I do think there is a point where the casual Final Fantasy VII player might not remember characters from the game. I mean no one is forgetting the playable characters, but I have a hard time remembering all the Turks names and get them confused all the time. I have played FFVII three times, too.
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NOMINATE Terra, Manny Calavera, and Leon S. Kennedy FOR SC2k5!

(and I also hear you don't even see him until the very end of the first disc)

While this is true, FFIX's first disc is really short. It's not much longer than the part of FFVII spent in Midgar (it may even be shorter, as I haven't played FFVII in a while). But even so, Kuja doesn't do anything noteworthy until the end of Disc 2.

I'm still not entirely sure FFIX is a good comparison. It's one of the more cult games in the series, and not nearly as mainstream as FFVII.
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SpC2k5 FINAL SCORE: 72/80
*is Janus5000*

FFVIII is probably a closer comparision. Outside of Squall, who would beat Vyse? I say Seifer, Rinoa, Quistis, and maybe the other three playable characters.
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NOMINATE Terra, Manny Calavera, and Leon S. Kennedy FOR SC2k5!

Quick question, how long does the nomination process usually last?
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NOMINATE Terra, Manny Calavera, and Leon S. Kennedy FOR SC2k5!

While this is true, FFIX's first disc is really short. It's not much longer than the part of FFVII spent in Midgar (it may even be shorter, as I haven't played FFVII in a while).

Hmm? Midgar is only about 4 hours. I haven't played FF IX since it came out, but I thought the first disc was at least 10.
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SpC2K5 First Vote Champion
Congrats to yoblazer, the Guru contest winner!

but I have a hard time remembering all the Turks names and get them confused all the time. I have played FFVII three times, too.

I wouldn't say every Turk would beat Vyse. I doubt Tseng or Elena could do it. But Reno and Rude -- the two most popular -- should be able to at least give him a close match and pulling out a victory.

FFVIII is probably a closer comparision. Outside of Squall, who would beat Vyse? I say Seifer, Rinoa, Quistis, and maybe the other three playable characters.

I would say the same thing. I would expect Seifer to do quite well in a contest, actually. Well above the level of fodder.

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Nominate Vincent Valentine for the Summer Contest 2005.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/contest/contest_nominate.php