WARNING: The following upgrades are incompatible with current configuration. Varia Suit, Gravity Suit, Speed Booster, Morph Ball, Boost Ball, Spider Ball, Space Jump, Screw Attack, Grapple Beam, Missile Launcher, Morph Ball Bombs, Power Bombs, Super Missiles, Long Beam, Wave Beam, Ice Beam, Charge Beam, Plasma Beam, Light Beam, Dark Beam, Hi-Jump, Annihilator Beam, Thermal Visor, X-Ray Visor, Dark Visor, Echo Visor, microwave module, mini bar, hang glider pack, pogo stick, Wood Beam, life support, pay-per-view, HBO, broadband adaptor, turn lights, the thing that goes ping, and the hint system.

(Nah, I don't think Ulti'd mind if I did this one... the other could explode anytime.)

*Creativename's websites*

Everything you could ever imagine:
http://www.sc2k5.com
http://www.sc2k4.com

Summer 2002 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/1

Summer 2003 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/2

Spring 2004 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/3

Summer 2004 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/4

Summer 2005 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/5

Sortable Table for Every Contest Match:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/19



*Extrapolated Standings*

Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/11

Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

Summer 2002 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/13

Summer 2003 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/14

Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/15

SFF Adjusted Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/16

Summer 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/17

SFF Adjusted Summer 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/18



*Solarshadow's Sites*

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html

Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html



*Old Stats topics*

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)

2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.

Spring 2004 Pre-Season:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason3.htm

Spring 2004 Contest:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats3.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats4.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats5.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats6.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats7.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats8.htm
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That doesn't make any sense. How can Bret Hart be watching Wrestlemania 21 if he's still living in 1997? -BrahmaBuzzsaw88

*Match Pictures*

Summer 2002 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15

Summer 2003 Match Pictures:
www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario0/contestpictures.htm

Spring 2004 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17

Summer 2004 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18



*Miscellaneous*

Creativename's Page of Links:
http://sc2k4.com/links.php

MMXcalibur's Contest Sites:
http://prophetchallenge.hyperboards2.com/index.cgi
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/

Poll Vote Total Updater:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/25

All Time Top 25/Top 10 Lists:
http://www.rpgdl.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3251
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That doesn't make any sense. How can Bret Hart be watching Wrestlemania 21 if he's still living in 1997? -BrahmaBuzzsaw88

Gordon Freeman sucks
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Strongtanner7343
This is a sad sad day

You know, we really need to cut down on those links.
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Yo Yogi? No, yoblazer! Congratulations to yoblazer for being the top Guru!
www.rpgdl.com, with Rico Banderas vs. Cyan Garamonde!

Yeah, we need to ask Ulti to cut the fat outta there.
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That doesn't make any sense. How can Bret Hart be watching Wrestlemania 21 if he's still living in 1997? -BrahmaBuzzsaw88

There is no fat, we need all of those links. >_>
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Yoblazer: I'm about three things: kicking ass, taking names, and winning Guru contests.

Ha, no.

*runs off to buy the Simon System*
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That doesn't make any sense. How can Bret Hart be watching Wrestlemania 21 if he's still living in 1997? -BrahmaBuzzsaw88

Eh, I might cut back on them some other day. The stats topic's first post isn't exactly designed for massive intros =p

~*ST*~
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*PWNED BY YOBLAZER in the Guru Contest*
Congrats, and hopefully you win the whole thing.

Darn, I just have to make the topic and Ulti pops up. Kinda ruins the point.
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That doesn't make any sense. How can Bret Hart be watching Wrestlemania 21 if he's still living in 1997? -BrahmaBuzzsaw88

Whew, good thing I checked to make sure no one had made it yet. I was about to do it myself.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

That's quite the list you have there...

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Nominate Zelda for the Summer Contest 2005.
Yoblazer: I'm about three things: kicking ass; taking names; and winning GameFAQs contests.

It'd be nice to have one link for each section that led to, say, an AngelFire site or some other similar site that is solely dedicated to posting the multiple links that's in each section.

Just a suggestion though.
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Roses are red, violets are blue, Yoblazer has owned each and every guru.
Enjoy your prizes, bro.

*makes sure to stay up-to-date in the stats*
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The Guru Contest: Where yoblazer owned my ass.

*tags*

*scurries back to finishing FFT*

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/05
Team Dragostea Din Tei for Trivia XV

HIIIIIIIIIIIII!
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I don't want to say this, but yoblazer's making me for him pwning me in the Guru Contest! *grumble*

Time to use this topic!
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I don't want to say this, but yoblazer's making me for him pwning me in the Guru Contest! *grumble*

He doesn't suck!

Kefka>ALL

In a contest setting, he does indeed suck.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

A great Chappelle quote was blocked on #500 due to YOU!!!

Anyways, Yuna beats Kefka. Not much question there.
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Roses are red, violets are blue, Yoblazer has owned each and every guru.
Enjoy your prizes, bro.

Crash > all
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SpC2k5 FINAL SCORE: 72/80
*is Janus5000*

Knuckles the Echidna owns your soul.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

The trick is to build bunkers not only around your base, but inside it.

These days I just build like 5-6 Bunkers at each entrance. I put 3 Marines 1 Firebat in the front Bunkers, 4 Marines in the rest, an SCV behind each Bunker to repair, Marines littered throughout the gaps between the Bunkers on the Hold command, increased range for the Marines, and a crapload of Missile Turrets. I literally laugh at how crappy the Zerg attack is when it finally shows up.

~*ST*~
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*PWNED BY YOBLAZER in the Guru Contest*
Congrats, and hopefully you win the whole thing.

If Kefka got his angel pic against Bison, I think he'd take it by a nose. Kefka is weak, but I do believe the lettuce loses him votes because many casuals do not recognize him. If he got his laughing sprite picture, he'd win easily (where by easily, I mean with 51-52%).
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Despite being in an 11-way tie for 4th in the Guru challenge, I got totally owned by Yoblazer.

The only people who care about the laughing sprite are those who would vote for Kefka regardless of picture.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

I don't think pics affect much, but when Kefka beat Wesker worse than he was expected to beat Luca, that's hard to ignore. With that said, I'd take Bison over Kefka with about 50.6% instead of the projected 51.29%...which, if my estimations are right, would account for about a 0.7% bigger difference there due to Angel Kefka; that's assuming Kefka managed to change ONE person's mind out of about every 143 people. Personally, I think it's reasonable to believe.
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Roses are red, violets are blue, Yoblazer has owned each and every guru.
Enjoy your prizes, bro.

Well, the only problem is that we could never accurately gauge Luca Blight in the first place. His number is guestimated based off of Magus's 2003 value, which in and of itself has often been questioned.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

Fisher dropped, why wouldn't Magus? I'm all about Magus being too high, and that Kefka thing only helps.
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He needs nominations, 61! Nominate Raiden (Metal Gear Solid 2) for SC2K5!
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=21155016

Well, Sam's fishy (har har, pun) performance last summer seems to indicate that either he overperformed on Magus or that Magus overperformed on Link. That's an awfully big drop to take in one year, especially considering he had a game released between contests.

Then again, there is the possibility of "Sam" SFF to consider.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

From: Lopen | Posted: 6/12/2005 1:09:50 AM | Message Detail
Fisher dropped, why wouldn't Magus?

Fisher was a 4 seed in 2003 and likely overperformed like hell in the match. He had 43% of brackets behind him.

~*ST*~
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*PWNED BY YOBLAZER in the Guru Contest*
Congrats, and hopefully you win the whole thing.

I thought Ganondorf's excellent performance in this past contest debunked the notion that Magus overperformed 7 odd percent on Link, which is what you need to get 20XXDF Tidus and Magus to line up.
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Yoblazer killed me in the Guru Contest. Congrats!

Sam needed the day vote to beat GORDON FREEMAN.

And Tidus's bombing and Dorf's match against Ansem seem to be more in favor of Magus overpeforming.
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Nominate Ms. PAC MAN and TANNER for the summer contests.

I thought Ganondorf's excellent performance in this past contest debunked the notion that Magus overperformed 7 odd percent on Link, which is what you need to get 20XXDF Tidus and Magus to line up.

But when you toss Bowser into the mix....

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Nominate Ms. PAC MAN and TANNER for the summer contests.

Thank you Harrich. I again disagree with the assumption that the only people that the pic matters to are people that would vote for the character anyways. Once again, you assume that people will vote the same way no matter what the situation is.

But still, Kefka still is weak as hell. I never have argued that his Angel pic would make him out to be some kind of powerhouse, or even significantly stronger. I was on the side of the fence that thought Wesker was weak as hell. So even if the angel pic helped Kefka or not... he is so weak in contest popularity that it shouldn't matter much for him anyways.
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Well, let's assume Magus would be accurately judged if Tidus 2k4 is accurate and fair to base on...that'd put Magus at 25.86% on Link 2k4. Then, Magus stomped Luca in 2k4 to where Luca would get 9.81% on Link 2k4. Fast forward to when Wesker beat Luca; Wesker would then be at 12.18%. Then, with Kefka's match, we can check out two things...

1) If Kefka was properly adjusted in 2k4, Wesker loses to Kefka with 28.71%.
2) If Kefka was better off unadjusted in 2k4, Wesker loses to Kefka with 31.9%.

...I'm not saying this is right, but it's interesting.
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Roses are red, violets are blue, Yoblazer has owned each and every guru.
Enjoy your prizes, bro.

And I thought that Bowser's excellent performance in this past contest proved definitively that he has increased from 2k3 and 2k5. Unless Sephiroth is now on the level of Mario. Which, awesome though it would be to see Mario beat Seph, is not likely.
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Yoblazer killed me in the Guru Contest. Congrats!

Tidus dropping so low while being the low man in a 3-character knot is eerily similar to Liquid Snake's drop being the low man in LS/MC/Frog... Except that Frog beat the both of them rather than Frog losing to Master Chief... Not making an argument. Just a note. Maybe it's signs of transitivity not holding up?
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

double tag!
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My luck works best when things are... random. Mat Cauthon from The Dragon Reborn

I feel like I should post in this one, because of its number, but I have no idea what we're actually talking about right now >_>... someone just mentioned Sephiroth and Mario... uh... Mario > Sephiroth? >_<
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Yay for better characters! Sign this petiton!
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=21416916

This contest is just weird, nothing makes sense if you try to compare it to past contests.

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Posts without a sig looks ugly, so I guess I need something here.

While I'm noticing, it's pretty obvious that Sephiroth wound up getting the most total votes in the Villain Contest; in his five matches, he tallied 322,522 votes for him. However, this isn't the first time he's taken this honor; in 2k3, despite losing to Cloud in the championship by about 5,000 votes, Sephiroth still had about 6,000 more tallied votes in his six matches than Cloud did (Seph got 472,469 while Cloud got 466,221).
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Roses are red, violets are blue, Yoblazer has owned each and every guru.
Enjoy your prizes, bro.

I honestly believe that Bowser and Ganon increased slightly from '03, while Seph has slightly decreased, due to KHF wearing out.

But that's just me.
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Moltar's Comics - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar (GAC)
Final Sp2K5 Score: 70 points. Yoblazer pwned me harder than Link in a match versus Tanner.

I'll buy Sephiroth being anti-voted to Hades before I buy KHF wearing off.
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Roses are red, violets are blue, Yoblazer has owned each and every guru.
Enjoy your prizes, bro.

If you make Sephiroth equal to Mario, Bowser '03 and Kefka '04 with no adjustments all fall into place, and then there's less need for an Alucard/Sephiroth adjustment...

Not that I think that, but I'm just pointing that out.

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Yoblazer beat me in the Guru Challenge! Good job!

Well, didn't a majority of the FF characters who appeared in KH, (never played it, but I think it's Cloud, Seph, Squall, Aeris and Tidus) all drop from 2003 to 2004?

And from what we saw in the Spring Contest, doesn't it look like Seph is dropping even more? Either FF as a whole is weakening, or KHF just is helping the real star of KH, Sora.
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Moltar's Comics - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar (GAC)
Final Sp2K5 Score: 70 points. Yoblazer pwned me harder than Link in a match versus Tanner.

Then again though, that makes Sephiroth drop about 9%-12% too in around a year and a half's worth of time.
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Roses are red, violets are blue, Yoblazer has owned each and every guru.
Enjoy your prizes, bro.

I believe that Seph's 2004 match against Cloud was correct number-wise, and his Spring Contest performance was a mixture of a slight Seph decrease and a Bowser/Ganon increase.

That means that Seph over-performed against Cloud in 2003, probably because it was the finals or something...

Actually, if I remember correctly, Seph was looking better in his matches than Cloud was, so that might have something to do with it.
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Moltar's Comics - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar (GAC)
Final Sp2K5 Score: 70 points. Yoblazer pwned me harder than Link in a match versus Tanner.

That means that Seph over-performed against Cloud in 2003, probably because it was the finals or something...

I think it was a massive after-effect of the Cloud/Link match. Many a person was pissed off after that one.

Oh and I think Tidus massively overperformed against Ganondorf in 2003.

~*ST*~
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*PWNED BY YOBLAZER in the Guru Contest*
Congrats, and hopefully you win the whole thing.

so in rematches we could see different outcomes if assumptions are correct
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

I thought Ganondorf's excellent performance in this past contest debunked the notion that Magus overperformed 7 odd percent on Link, which is what you need to get 20XXDF Tidus and Magus to line up.

My thoughts exactly.

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“…Aerith. She was smiling to the end. We have to do something, or that smile will just freeze like that.”
Cloud Strife

And then there's the fact that Ganondorf would've LOST to Alucard if this were true. People always seem to overlook that.

I'm thinking franchise voting may have had an effect on why Bowser and Ganondorf did so well. However, Bowser did better there than any other Mario entry in any other contest, EVER... it's either franchise voting or a complete change of pattern by voters due to it being a villain contest. Still doesn't explain Liquid, but I'm glad he was the one who got his ass kicked so HARD that the next Liquid wannabe is gonna feel it. (Yes, I know of the OMG MY ARM IS POSSESSING ME. That's what I was looking for.)
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That doesn't make any sense. How can Bret Hart be watching Wrestlemania 21 if he's still living in 1997? -BrahmaBuzzsaw88

just had a thought.
after final fantasy XII comes out how strong will their characters probably be and will increase square characters as a whole?
in fact will snake and dante become stronger after mgs4 and dmc4 and have they benefited from mgs3 and dmc3
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

FF12 - Strong, maybe.
Solid - Minimally if at all.
Dante - Likely.
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Roses are red, violets are blue, Yoblazer has owned each and every guru.
Enjoy your prizes, bro.

Oh and I think Tidus massively overperformed against Ganondorf in 2003.

Now that think about it, that could very well be true. Maybe not massively, but Tidus might have over-performed on Ganon for the same reason Sam over-performed on Magus. Tidus was the bracket-favorite AND the higher seed.

Ina rematch, Ganon would most likely win by a more comfortable margin, like 55-45%
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Moltar's Comics - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar (GAC)
Final Sp2K5 Score: 70 points. Yoblazer pwned me harder than Link in a match versus Tanner.

I could give Ganon, say, up to 53%...but I don't think he over-performed by THAT much. I'm still kind of skeptical on that, though that could be what happened.
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Roses are red, violets are blue, Yoblazer has owned each and every guru.
Enjoy your prizes, bro.

Tidus performed well against Ganondorf because his sword was visible! OMG SWROD VOTE VOTE VOTE.

His match against Megaman was just his girly face. NO SWROD DON'T VOTE.


Not really, but that close-up of his stupid looking face probably doesn't help.
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Beacause this guy are a puppet off course!

Maybe the "villain" part did have something to do with Sephiroth's performance. I'd say apathy, but Sephiroth stills hauls in the votes like no other.
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The Guru Contest: Where yoblazer owned my ass.

"Tidus" and "overperformance" don't belong in the same sentence unless it's against him.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

Tidus clearly overperformed against everybody against Mega Man. *runs*

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Yoblazer beat me in the Guru Challenge! Good job!

Yeah! You better run 'cause that didn't make sense!
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

Tidus clearly overperformed against everybody BUT Mega Man, perhaps?
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Roses are red, violets are blue, Yoblazer has owned each and every guru.
Enjoy your prizes, bro.

As much as I liked Ganondorf and Bowser doing so well, there are a few things that I think have to be brought up in regards to Sephiroth in the villain contest. With so many people knowing Sephiroth had no threat of losing whatsoever, there were loads of people that ended up voting for the other person. Of course that is a unique situation.... and Liquid Snake is still a mystery.

Although we have no proof of what characters this may affect, or if it even is an issue, I think this is one of the reasons why some close matches end up being so weird. Some characters probably act differently in a close situation... we just haven't seen it yet.
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I think it's pretty clear that Sephiroth vs Liquid Snake is a form of PSX SFF. Both games were released within a relatively short time span on the same console.

It works for Link and Mega Man, right?
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Think fast. Click faster.

I think it's pretty clear that Sephiroth vs Liquid Snake is a form of PSX SFF. Both games were released within a relatively short time span on the same console.

Which would explain FFVII slaughternig MGS as well.
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The Guru Contest: Where yoblazer owned my ass.

right
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~Have wings, Will Fly~

Yes, you read my typo correctly. Tidus overperformed against Ms. Pac-Man, Serious Sam, Sephiroth, Mr. Resetti, Zelda, Vercetti, Solid Snake, Earthworm Jim, Zero, and Link. (In all seriousness, Tidus didn't overperform against any of those, but underperformed against Tidus) ~_~

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Yoblazer beat me in the Guru Challenge! Good job!

Im not sure the effect FFXII will have on the rest of the series, but I think it be minimal. As for the strength of characters, there is a good reason to believe FFXII isnt going to be nearly as popular as FFX. This is mainly due to the changes that the game is going to have and how late its coming in the PS2's life. I think FFXII could be about FFIX strength. But it all depends on how likeable the characters are. Im in love with the girl already.
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Yoblazer made me look like Tanner in the Guru Contest.

Square has been in such a drought that FFXII is being undoubtedly anticipated FAR more than Final Fantasy IX. Square was in cruise control near the end of the PSX's life cycle. Think of how many games they had spit out for us to play. There were too many to choose from. After Final Fantasy VII and VIII, Square put out a ****load of games. Xenogears, Brave Fencer Musashi, and Parasite Eve came before FFVIII, but afterwards they had Parasite Eve 2, Chrono Cross, Threads of Fate, Vagrant Story, Final Fantasy IX, Final Fantasy Anthology, Final Fantasy Chronicles, and a lot more titles that weren't as high profile. Let's just say that by that time, player interest definitely could have been spread out over a bunch of games.

It's a totally different ideology from that in the current generations. Now, most game producers release exactly ONE game at a time for a system, unless they have another game that is focused towards an entirely different demographic.
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Are we even getting FFXII this year? I know KH2 and DQVIII are also nearly complete; it seems counterintuitive for SquEnix to offer 3 RPGs to compete with each other in the last 6 months of the year.
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Yoblazer killed me in the Guru Contest. Congrats!

FF12 should be huge, regardless of its release. The anticipation for it has been far greater than what I recall for FF9. I'm not sure how much it would affect other characters within Final Fantasy, or Square in general, but it shouldn't have a problem being strong on its own.

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Nominate Zelda for the Summer Contest 2005.
Yoblazer: I'm about three things: kicking ass; taking names; and winning GameFAQs contests.

I don't know enough about FF12 to fairly speculate on its strength...but I suspect KH2 is gonna be bigger.
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Roses are red, violets are blue, Yoblazer has owned each and every guru.
Enjoy your prizes, bro.

We're supposedly getting it during the November - December months. I don't think Square has said any solid release date, though.

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Nominate Zelda for the Summer Contest 2005.
Yoblazer: I'm about three things: kicking ass; taking names; and winning GameFAQs contests.

Gah, I hate Spore Colonies. They caused my first mission to fail. Well, that and building too many buildings that I didn't need, wasting valuable Vespene that I could have spent on Wraiths.

As for FFXII, it seems to have dropped off the face of the earth in the past few months. I have heard very little hype about it. I think KH2 will be much, much bigger.
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The yoblazer: He is so much better at the Guru Contest than you.
ZSB [aX]

Kingdom Hearts II will be bigger, no doubt. Square's putting a lot behind that one. But FFXII will still be big, it just got quiet on the amount of information released recently.

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Nominate Zelda for the Summer Contest 2005.
Yoblazer: I'm about three things: kicking ass; taking names; and winning GameFAQs contests.

Wraiths being built by the Zerg, eh? Compelling.....
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Roses are red, violets are blue, Yoblazer has owned each and every guru.
Enjoy your prizes, bro.

Ya know, I just now realized I misunderstood that you were the Terran. Gah.
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Roses are red, violets are blue, Yoblazer has owned each and every guru.
Enjoy your prizes, bro.

Its not like FFIX was a weak title. It was big in its own right.

But FFXII not going to be FFVII level of First 3D FF game. Or FFVIII level of FF game to follow the loved FFVII. Or FFX the first FF game on the PS2.

It could be above FFIX, but I still see it below FFVIII/FFX.
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Yoblazer made me look like Tanner in the Guru Contest.

I could see it being equal or near FFVIII and clearly above FFIX. But I wouldn't imagine anyone would put it on par with FFVII, regardless of its release date.

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Nominate Zelda for the Summer Contest 2005.
Yoblazer: I'm about three things: kicking ass; taking names; and winning GameFAQs contests.

I think another thing that might hold it back is the art design. FFVII, FFVIII, and FFX all had a fairly realistic art design going for them. FFIX had a more fantasy setting. FFXII seems to also have more a fantasy slant to it.

Isn't Final Fantasy 8 the highest selling FF game ever? I know there was A LOT of hype leading up to and a lot of people wondering how Square could top itself after VI and VII.
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Yoblazer made me look like Tanner in the Guru Contest.

There may have been the hype, but I'm almost positive that FF7 beat FF8 by at least a million sales.
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Roses are red, violets are blue, Yoblazer has owned each and every guru.
Enjoy your prizes, bro.

Isn't Final Fantasy 8 the highest selling FF game ever?

It falls in at second, but the highest selling Final Fantasy game is Final Fantasy VII with 9.5 million units worldwide as of May 2005 (3.9 million in Japan and 5.6 million in North America and Europe.)

FFVIII had only out sold FFVII for a while in Japan.

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Nominate Zelda for the Summer Contest 2005.
Yoblazer: I'm about three things: kicking ass; taking names; and winning GameFAQs contests.

And judging from one particular topic, there seems to be many people disregarding Advent Children in favor of Twilight Princess's hype. I honestly don't get that at all.

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Nominate Zelda for the Summer Contest 2005.
Yoblazer: I'm about three things: kicking ass; taking names; and winning GameFAQs contests.

FF:AC's release > LoZ:TP's hype, there's absolutely no question about that...but with that said, I'd still take Link over Cloud this year.
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Should the two remain in the contest this year, and I would assume they would. I would be taking Cloud as the winner, like I've said for so many months now. =p


But yeah, I have no clue how one could even think hype for TP would compare to AC's actual release.

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Nominate Zelda for the Summer Contest 2005.
Yoblazer: I'm about three things: kicking ass; taking names; and winning GameFAQs contests.

While I agree on how hype << release, I still oppose the idea that a movie will be the deciding factor for Cloud to beat Link. It should help, yes, but I'm not sold on Cloud beating Link this year (assuming they're in the contest).
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Not only that, but TP hype was already there last year, and one could argue that's what put Link over the top.

Of course, AC was announced too, but the next step, an actual release, is going to be made by AC if there are no more delays. Which isn't going to happen with TP no matter what.

Obvious conclusion: THIS CONTEST IS STILL UP IN THE AIR. Thank you.

I'm going with the safe option and picking Link of course, but if Cloud wins I won't hesitate to point and laugh at the idiots who thought Link was a lock.
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I think FFXII has been delayed to 2006 by the way.
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I still oppose the idea that a movie will be the deciding factor for Cloud to beat Link. It should help, yes, but I'm not sold on Cloud beating Link this year

Cloud doesn't even need the movie in order to beat Link. The margin is so small that a simple year-to-year change could be enough to make Cloud the winner. But the fact that Cloud will have something new with him in it, and prominently featured, right in the middle of the contest should be more than enough to give him a serious advantage heading in.

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Nominate Zelda for the Summer Contest 2005.
Yoblazer: I'm about three things: kicking ass; taking names; and winning GameFAQs contests.

Thats where I disagree. Cloud does need SOMETHING. Link is most likely going to be stronger than he was last year especially if a release date gets handed down before contest time.
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From: NewLib | Posted: 6/12/2005 8:35:03 PM | #087
Thats where I disagree. Cloud does need SOMETHING. Link is most likely going to be stronger than he was last year especially if a release date gets handed down before contest time.

OMG A RELEASE DATE

Jesus, fanboys will get behing anything.
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Well with a release date people actually have a solid date to get hyped about. I just cant believe that a hype of a game hasnt increased over a year, especially because we basically knew no information about the game last year.
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And now we know... that Link is some sort of werewolf or something. Real big impact.

Listen, the people that can be excited about the game already are. Just because suddenly there's a date people won't care more, not even if it's November 24.
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We know more than Link is just a wolf, but I still think that Link will be stronger than last year. Not a great deal stronger, but still stronger.

If AC doesnt release before the contest ends, no way am I putting Cloud over Link. If it does, its going to depend when. If the contest starts really late and the movie has time to be bought by a lot of people, then I will probably go with Cloud.
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Thats where I disagree. Cloud does need SOMETHING. Link is most likely going to be stronger than he was last year especially if a release date gets handed down before contest time.

Link is going to be stronger... based off of what? Hype? Please. That's just ridiculous. Link got the bulk of his "hype" increase last year, to think that he's in store for even more this year is insanity. And I have no clue on how a release date is going to matter at all.

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Nominate Zelda for the Summer Contest 2005.
Yoblazer: I'm about three things: kicking ass; taking names; and winning GameFAQs contests.

The hype's increased, yeah, but it's still not gonna rival FF:AC's release.

As for Cloud, by reasonable variations, how do we know he didn't hit the top end of his range against Link and that he really should have gotten about 46%-47% against Link? This is very hypothetical though (and no, I don't believe that), but I think Cloud needs more than yearly variation on his side. FF:AC may be what he needs, and I'll put my foot in my mouth if it is, but I don't think it's enough for even that small of a gap.
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If AC doesnt release before the contest ends, no way am I putting Cloud over Link.

It is already a certainty that AC will release during this contest. If it starts August 1st, like it did last year, AC would release about midway through the second round (September 13th).

If it does, its going to depend when.

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Nominate Zelda for the Summer Contest 2005.
Yoblazer: I'm about three things: kicking ass; taking names; and winning GameFAQs contests.

Which is what I said, HM. Its all going to depend when. I can see my Link/Cloud match changing several times.
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To refresh some people's memory on just how close the match was last year:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1780

Roughly 2267 people would need to have a change of heart to vote for Cloud or be completely new. That isn't a lot of people we're talking about there...

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Nominate Zelda for the Summer Contest 2005.
Yoblazer: I'm about three things: kicking ass; taking names; and winning GameFAQs contests.

Oh, I didn't say that. I just forgot to erase what you said next. =p

I'm already deadset in my choice of Cloud as my winner.

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Nominate Zelda for the Summer Contest 2005.
Yoblazer: I'm about three things: kicking ass; taking names; and winning GameFAQs contests.

I dont even think Link, if still in the contest, is a sure thing for 2006. TP could not live up to expectations and give a serious negative backlash.
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Yeah, because DMC2 sent Dante down to Vyse level.
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That doesn't make any sense. How can Bret Hart be watching Wrestlemania 21 if he's still living in 1997? -BrahmaBuzzsaw88

Jesus, did I say that. Stop over-exaggerating everything I say. Serious negative backlash = No increase for Link. Kind of like Wind Waker. I never said about a serious decline.
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Eh, there's no way that Link would be affected negatively from Twilight Princess's release.

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Nominate Zelda for the Summer Contest 2005.
Yoblazer: I'm about three things: kicking ass; taking names; and winning GameFAQs contests.

I still doubt you'd see him remain constant after all the hype from the game. At the very least, he should increase slightly. Even if the game isn't the best game known to man, it is still going to be a damn good game.

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Nominate Zelda for the Summer Contest 2005.
Yoblazer: I'm about three things: kicking ass; taking names; and winning GameFAQs contests.

But there could be such a mix opinion about the game, that he doesnt increase at all. I dont buy that just because Link gets a new game, everyone is going to love it.
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It MIGHT be a damn good game. We have reasons to believe that it will be since everything else Zelda, made by Nintendo, has been. But that still doesn't make it a sure thing. There is a possibility, slim it is, the game could be only decent. I mean Mario was great forever, yet, Mario Sunshine was at best only a slightly good game. Im not judging anything about TP until I actually get to play it, is my point.
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I'm tempted to call Link the favorite against Sephiroth, even after accounting for Advent Children. Ganondorf did get 42% against Sephiroth, after all. If Sephiroth fell, perhaps Cloud did, as well.

Oh, and if the hype for the new Zelda game was what caused Link to grow from '03 to '04, there's no reason for Link to not grow at least a percent or two over the past year.

Cloud will need a serious boost from the previous year, but maybe it could happen. That promo was pretty amazing. It scares me that the top guys seem to be distancing themselves from the rest more every year...

Cloud doesn't even need the movie in order to beat Link. The margin is so small that a simple year-to-year change could be enough to make Cloud the winner.

Actually, matches need to be within 50.5/49.5 to see any chance of a match, given the same circumstances, go the other way.

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What has me skeptical about this FF:AC bonus is how Sephiroth performed in this last contest. Sure, they have only been hyping it, but he still allowed Ganon & Bowser to break 40%. Sure, maybe the anti-votes, and the "I'll vote for the other guy since I know Sephy will win" votes may have pushed him back, but to the point that let Bowser get more on him than Mario?

Also, this isn't a game, but a movie. That means it won't be sending people to this site looking for help to beat it, since its just a video. It's a movie, and this is a game site.

I just think the way that Sephiroth performed last contest, I thought he should have been stronger than ever with the upcoming release of the video, not weaker...

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I don't have an ego.
I'm way too cool for that.

I'm tempted to call Link the favorite against Sephiroth, even after accounting for Advent Children.

Well of course Link's the favorite, you silly, it's only sephiroth

Of course we know what you meant though, I'd probably pick Link in my bracket, I guess it depends on how much ac is advertised/where it's advertised, if it's release date actually holds, stuff like that. I mean it is just a movie, but it is final fantasy. I don't expect it to be enough to give Cloud the win, especially as Link's game draws nearer.
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Congratulations to yoblazer, winner of the Spring 2k5 Guru Contest!

(In all seriousness, Tidus didn't overperform against any of those, but underperformed against Tidus) ~_~

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I know this is a bad comparison, but I'll make it anyways to give some food for thought. Is there a chance that AC might be received similarly to Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within? That movie wasn't loved all that much, but of course the huge difference is that Cloud, Vincent, and others weren't in it. I think it's possible that AC might not gain Cloud as much strength as it's hyped up to (though I think it will, I'm just saying it's possible it might not).
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Despite being in an 11-way tie for 4th in the Guru challenge, I got totally owned by Yoblazer.

All of the critics point to The Spirits Within as reasoning why Advent Children will bomb. All of the fans don't believe that for a second.
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Well, I'd assume that's why SquEnix is doing a straight-to-DVD release. To avoid the critics. If it was shown in theatres, it would probably bomb, but as a DVD release the fans will buy it and love it and the people that would say bad things about it won't even know it exists. Win-win.
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Yoblazer killed me in the Guru Contest. Congrats!

I mean Mario was great forever, yet, Mario Sunshine was at best only a slightly good game.

SMS was a great game, just not as much compared to its other games in the series...much like SMB2.

I'm tempted to call Link the favorite against Sephiroth, even after accounting for Advent Children.

Link's been the favorite against Sephiroth every year thus far, to my knowledge. From there, I find FF:AC helping Sephiroth enough to make it close to Link outlandish; I may be wrong on how little it'll help Cloud/Seph, but I feel like I'm right when I say it WON'T help this much.

Oh, and if the hype for the new Zelda game was what caused Link to grow from '03 to '04, there's no reason for Link to not grow at least a percent or two over the past year.

I doubt it was the reason though; I strongly think it's 'cuz of how there were several games shipped with the Gamecube for months, and I'm pretty certain that this was over the Christmas season too.

In all seriousness, Tidus didn't overperform against any of those, but underperformed against Tidus

Leonhart, he was just making fun of himself moreso because of his initial mistake. Don't worry, it's not serious.

All of the critics point to The Spirits Within as reasoning why Advent Children will bomb. All of the fans don't believe that for a second.

1) I don't think it'll bomb in terms of coolness, though I wouldn't put it past Square. Regardless, I'm not gonna use FF:TSW as my reasoning for FF:AC to bomb in terms of sales, but rather instinct.
2) Those same fans likely thought FF:TSW wouldn't bomb, either.

Well, I'd assume that's why SquEnix is doing a straight-to-DVD release. To avoid the critics. If it was shown in theatres, it would probably bomb, but as a DVD release the fans will buy it and love it and the people that would say bad things about it won't even know it exists. Win-win.

Actually not bad logic at all...but at the same time, though I loved FF7, I'm not interested enough in the movie to buy the $20 DVD. I'd pay for a matinae (sp?) movie ticket for $4.50 to see it since it's cheaper than buying it for a much better experience and I assume I only want to see it once...but a DVD? For now, I'll pass unless I get to borrow a DVD of it off of somebody.
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Tediz, what are you doing not going mass Goliaths in that level?

And expand north, then build a Bunker or two on the right cliff. Fun times.

~*ST*~
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Congrats, and hopefully you win the whole thing.

I wasn't expecting much out of The Spirits Within myself. Nothing about it looked all that appealing other than the flashy computer graphics.

Honestly, FFVII is one of the most beloved games in existence. Advent Children will sell well.
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I meant bomb in terms of the feeling I get this board thinks it'll sell; it's like millions upons millions will be flying off the shelves. FF:AC should sell decently enough for its target audience, but I figure it won't sell tons (I'd be more descriptive, but I don't know the DVD/VHS market well enough to really go into more detail).
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Is there a chance that AC might be received similarly to Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within?

This is reasoning that was stated years ago—and reasoning that myself and others anticipated before we ever heard it.

Simple answer: No chance whatsoever.

Spirits Within was completely different. It wasn't Final Fantasy.

Advent Children *is* Final Fantasy—you just have to look at the Bahamut-Sin fight to see that very clearly, as well as the Tifa kicking ass/total domination sequence.

The thing is, a true Final Fantasy theatrical release would be a huge hit—at least in the $150+ million domestic range, most likely $200+. The core concepts of Final Fantasy just have that sort of appeal. The "Spirits Within" movie didn't adhere to those concepts. There was no real "magic"—there was no concept of power from the characters. The fact that Cloud and Sephiroth are truly powerful is a huge reason for their appeal. And you can see from Cloud's super-jump that he is, indeed, superhuman. People love stories with characters who are more than human (e.g., myths, such as Greek stories and King Arthur and modern superheroes). Such stories will always find an audience, if executed well.

And there are many other stylistic elements to the appeal of the Final Fantasy games that Spirits Within was totally lacking in.
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it's like millions upons millions will be flying off the shelves

Well, the sales should definitely be in the millions in terms of units sold. There's no question about that. I don't know about "flying off the shelves", but it will indeed be in the millions range, barring some gigantic floppage.
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if executed well.

That's the huge question mark though; FF:TSW may not have stuck with those original "core concepts", but it could have still been a great movie if it was executed well. Just because said "core concepts" are evident doesn't mean the movie's goin' to be executed well, either, and it doesn't help that Square doesn't have either an extensive nor note-worthy record in making films.

This isn't arguing how good the movie will be so much as it is arguin' the confidence that FF:AC will be so great.
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Aight then cn, appreciate it; I already noted how I don't know that much 'bout the DVD market.
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*casts Vanish and Doom on Ulti*

There is no way a Final Fantasy movie based on a actual games does 150+ million. It have to appeal to more people than the games by several times and I just dont see that happening.
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Yoblazer made me look like Tanner in the Guru Contest.

Ulti, as you may probably know, the RATE THE GAME tourney is now gettin' into the Final Four. Would you have a problem if, after the bracket finishes, I make another bracket with your updated list and try to keep it as a fairly regular thing on Board 8 for awhile?
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I don't think Link will repeat. No one can predict what a few thousand voters will think. It's similar to sports. All the fans outside of the repeating team want to see them lose.

I predicted Cloud would lose last year and he did because I couldn't see him repeating. I predicted Link losing the year before and he did.

2 for 2 so far.

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well, i think that Advent Children could help boost Cloud over Link, but there is no guarantee that it will. if the movie fails to meet the fans expectations, or if Cloud has a lame change of character, or if it doesn't end the way the fans hope it does, than it may not help Cloud at all. we'll have to wait and see how well the movie is actually received.

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Yoblazer is officially THE MAN for beating us all in SpC2K5!!

cronton, go do a public survey on video game characters. It'll be a hit.
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I don't want to say this, but yoblazer's making me for him pwning me in the Guru Contest! *grumble*

A few people requested this prior to the spring contest.

I don't see what the purpose of a third one would be though.

It takes pretty much a full day even with help of some friends to get it done. That, and you have to deal with a lot of snotty people.

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I enjoyed the first two cronton did, and I'd certainly read and likely enjoy the results of a third one...but there's not much more to figure out that requires a third one.
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Tiebreaker results should be up this week... good luck Lucid and Yo!

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I don't know if this point has ever been raised in a stats topic, but isn't it possible that a good chunk of the gain Link made from 2K3 to 2K4 came off of his appearance in Soul Calibur II?
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I think it helped him, yeah, though I still give more credit to having games shipped with the Gamecube for afew months.

As a side-note, I have just realized that Sephiroth had more brackets supporting him to win the entire contest than Kefka had brackets supporting him to get out of a four-pack consisting of Mithos, Luca, and Wesker. Ain't that something.....
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Creative name beat me to it about what I thought was wrong with The Spirits Within. When I heard about the Final Fantasy movie, I was expecting weapons, fighting, magic, and summons! It isn't "Final Fantasy" without those. I didn't see it until it came on HBO, but I was VERY disappointed with what I saw. And to think that they wasted a god's amount of money just to create a mediocre movie and then put their beloved "Final Fantasy" tag on it. They deserved what they got.

Bottom line.... If you replace Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within with Final Fantasy: Advent Children back when TSW was released, Square-Enix would still be Square today and dominating the market.
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If you replace Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within with Final Fantasy: Advent Children back when TSW was released, Square-Enix would still be Square today and dominating the market.

This is the common sentiment I've seen, and yet I hear almost NOBODY saying anybody's jumping the gun here. The movie's still months away, and yet we're already saying that this movie is everything TSW should have been and would have kept Square in line. Does nobody else see what's wrong with this anticipation?
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After that amazing MGS4 video... type thing, we all know Solid Snake > all, especially Raiden.
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Yoblazer: I'm about three things: kicking ass, taking names, and winning Guru contests.

That amazing MGS4 video is a video I must see; link, please?
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There is no way a Final Fantasy movie based on a actual games does 150+ million. It have to appeal to more people than the games by several times and I just dont see that happening.

That's not how the industry works. It has nothing to do with getting people who like the games to see the movie—it has to do with the movie itself. Final Fantasy games are beloved because of their core characteristics; their stylistic art and appealing characters/plots/environments and worlds.

The fanbase of the game itself is irrelevant, outside of the statement they make as to the appeal of the material. And a huge portion of the appeal is visual in nature, which is why Final Fantasy VII translates well into "motion picture"/animation form. With the trick being, gameplay translating as energetic action (that doesn't come off as goofy).

Those would translate well to the movie screen. Thing is you couldn't cram a Final Fantasy game into a single movie—it would take at least two. You'd be talking about a large scale project, which obviously wouldn't find funding after the Spirits Within fiasco, as unrelated as that was to the potential success of a "real" Final Fantasy movie. And it's doubtful such a project would be pursued even before the whole Spirits Within thing, because that's just not how movie producers think. Partially it's the huge risk factor; partially it's that Hollywood has a horrendous track record when it comes to adaptations of recent material, with a few notable exceptions such as Gone with the Wind, Godfather, etc.

Trust me, $150 million domestic gross would not by any means be too much for a Final Fantasy movie; it's more of a floor. We're talking Matrix-level appeal in conservative terms. There's a reason that the Final Fantasy franchise is so powerful in gaming—it has themes that resonate with the masses, and those could be exploited into large monetary box office success with the proper treatment.
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http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/714/714044/vids_1.html

One of the two bottom ones. I think the one on the right.
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I have it downloaded, and I'm watching it now. It never gets old.
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Creativename, FF topping 150+ puts it dangerous close to one of the top 100 grossing movies OF ALL TIME. Tomb Raider couldnt do it and it had everything the American Audience loves. Actually, no video game movie has done it. So you are trying to tell me that a movie version of a FFVII or FFX would make that kind of money? First off, Im assuming it have to be animated because a live-action movie would look completely ridiculous. Second, non-Comedy Animated movies dont do well. Third, Final Fantasy is more Fantasy than Sci-Fi and Fantasy as a genre does no do well if it isnt named Lord of the Rings and engrained into our culture.
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Also if Final Fantasy is Matrix level than a Grand Theft Auto or Halo movie will rival Titanic, I guess.

Only a few series of games can I see being a huge hit in the box office, because they translate well to film. My biggest point is FF will not translate well to film like Mario didnt.
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therealmnm:
When I heard about the Final Fantasy movie, I was expecting weapons, fighting, magic, and summons!

Yes, exactly. Why are Star Wars and Lord of the Rings such huge hits? Well executed swords and sorcery. Why do people love RPGs and Final Fantasy in particular? Swords and sorcery. People have loved such stories for ages. Swords and sorcery that doesn't come off as a joke is a means to profit—with the risk coming in the form of coming off as a joke, of course.


Harrich:
Does nobody else see what's wrong with this anticipation?

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. In the cases of Advent Children and Twilight Princess (and earlier Halo 2, Ocarina of Time, and on and on; and for movies Lord of the Rings, Jurassic Park, etc.; this is a very old story), people find what little they have seen to contain an incredible amount of appeal, and salivate over it. Hype can lead to disappointment, but high expectations are correlated with high performance. That's just reality. If high expectations were negatively correlated or uncorrelated with performance, the stock market and Vegas wouldn't work ;) In fact the utility of intelligence for living things probably wouldn't be very high.

While many things do become surprise hits/successes, in general, the biggest hits in any industry had high expectations. As did—by their very nature—most of the biggest flops. But high expectations are rarely a bad thing.
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This is the common sentiment I've seen, and yet I hear almost NOBODY saying anybody's jumping the gun here. The movie's still months away, and yet we're already saying that this movie is everything TSW should have been and would have kept Square in line. Does nobody else see what's wrong with this anticipation?

But we already know what the movie storyline will be, the involvement of the main characters, and the movie is based on the BEST. GAME. EVER. I think that is a good starting point for a successful movie. With The Spirits Within, we knew that the story wasn't going to be a traditional Final Fantasy one. On top of that, for those that DID end up seeing the movie, it wasn't too impressive. From the clips that we have seen of Advent Children, and from reading the storyline synopsis, I don't see how the movie WON'T be good.
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NewLib, I have to say that you are simply not looking at this properly.

Top 100 movies of all-time in unadjusted grosses isn't that huge a deal; you get plenty of movies that do that every year, just by inflation alone.

It's mainly about appeal of the material, not pre-awareness of it. In some cases awareness of the property is a major risk-reduction factor—which is why we have seen such a glut of comic book movies. But the primary asset of the Final Fantasy series being adapted into motion picture form is not pre-awareness of the property, but rather appeal of the material that would be adapated.
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Comic book movies have come back to bite the movie industry on the butt. You know why? Nothing outside of the big 4 comic books (Superman, Batman, Spiderman, and X-Men) do extremely well. Fantastic 4 will be the ultimate proof if any other comic can break through. But the reason the four stated do well is that those are the heroes that everyone knows about growing up. Part of our culture. Outside of that you get a very shadowy terrority even with well-known characters like The Hulk.

Act the average person on the street if they know who Batman, Gandalf, Harry Potter, and Cloud is. I can absolutely guarntee you which one is going to be the least-known.

You are also missing the fact. Unless a fantasy movie already has a huge fanbase in the tens of millions like Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter, Fantasy movies do like crap.
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I'm not saying there's anything wrong with anticipation for it, but I think the anticipation (I think expectations would be a better word here?) for it to be so incredibly great and earth-shattering is jaw-dropping. Regardless, I'll lighten up a lil' due to the points made.
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I might as well address all this. (split into two parts due to size constraints)

Actually, no video game movie has done it.

Being a video game movie is irrelevant.

First off, Im assuming it have to be animated because a live-action movie would look completely ridiculous

That's what studios once said about Lord of the Rings. And they cost themselves billions in revenue and hundreds of millions in profit. Now, Final Fantasy doesn't come close to having the level of appeal that those stories had, but it does obviously have high appeal among a broad audience. LotR is not a good comparison for Final Fantasy overall but the movies could definitely be live action, as long as they weren't treated like cartoons.

Also if Final Fantasy is Matrix level than a Grand Theft Auto or Halo movie will rival Titanic, I guess.

Now why would you even try to make such a snide and absurd remark? I fail to see the purpose.

My biggest point is FF will not translate well to film like Mario didnt.

I was actually going to use this as an example of something that wouldn't translate into motion picture form well, but thought it was unnecessary to state it. After-the-fact hindsight comments aside—a well-executed Mario movie wouldn't do as horribly as the pathetic attempt that the infamous one was—Mario has little appeal, or reason, to translate it to the big-screen. The only reason would be pre-awareness of the property. There is little about Mario that begs to be seen on the big screen.

That's completely untrue about, say, Final Fantasy VII; where a Cloud vs. Sephiroth duel or the party fighting a Behemoth or a fight against a Weapon just scream "big budget motion picture adaptation".

Just the FMV shot of Sephiroth in the fires at Nibelheim (probably with One-Winged Angel playing in the background) would be a trademark scene that marketers would love to put into trailers.

Comic book movies have come back to bite the movie industry on the butt.

You are not saying anything I and hordes of others haven't stated in the past. Studios jumped on the comic book bandwagon big-time (just as so many predicted after Spidey's $400 million gross, which bowled the industry over), but Marvel, especially, is going downhill and most can see this. It's oversaturation; compounded by weak properties (e.g. Elektra, which everyone but the studio knew was a stupid idea from the start), and poor execution (Fantastic Four looks like an abomination; it won't flop completely because of the marketing—which I was surprised to hear does appear to be creating some buzz with children—but will very likely disappoint monetary expectations).

The entire "bandwagon jumping/oversaturation/crash" cycle was predicted—and dreaded by comic book fans—right after the first Spider-Man's success, and right now we appear to be in stage 2 of it.

But the reason the four stated do well is that those are the heroes that everyone knows about growing up. Part of our culture.

Yeah...so? Pre-awareness is not where a Final Fantasy movie would derive its value from. Neither was Lord of the Rings. Same is true for most adapations that are hits. The important commercial theme is appeal, not pre-awareness.

And again, pre-awareness is a risk-reduction issue, but not necessary for success; nor a complete guarantee of it. It just results in a more stable expectation distribution for revenue. And thus gives studios more confidence in assigning a project a large budget.
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Continued...

You are also missing the fact. Unless a fantasy movie already has a huge fanbase in the tens of millions like Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter, Fantasy movies do like crap.

Firstly, there have been a fair number of fantasy films that have done well—but not spectacular, as they were low budget, and low budget tends to imply lower gross. But it's the ROI that matters. Fantasy films just don't tend to get high budgets.

A Final Fantasy film would have to more executed more like a historical epic anyway.

Besides, as everyone says, Star Wars is fantasy (more fantasy than sci-fi), and it's the most successful series ever. (not to mention the best thematic comparison in terms of fantasy/sci-fi mix) The appeal of Star Wars is on a whole different level and Star Wars isn't a great comparison for Final Fantasy—and says little about what a Final Fantasy movie would gross—but if you're talking about comparisons to movies from the past, you can't make inappropriate and incorrect comparisons.
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Just because the trailer looks awesome and the story sounds cool doesn't mean that the movie will be good. Just look at The Matrix Reloaded. It had one of the best trailers of all time, and the story had a great concept behind it, but then there were all the non-action scenes, and those completely sucked. I don't deny that AC's action scenes will be awesome, but I can see the story scenes turning out to be a flop.

And millions of DVDs, in America alone? Come on, that's just pushing it. The worldwide record is, IIRC, ~40 million. I don't see FFVII AC coming anywhere close to that.
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Yoblazer pwned my ass so hard in the Guru contest that I couldn't change my sig for a week.

I think you're taking my argument out of perspective. I'm not saying that Advent Children will be the blockbuster of the year, but in comparison to The Spirits Within, I don't see how Advent Children COULDN'T be a hundred times better. Hell, just the first trailer ALONE was better than The Spirits Within! Watching someone play FFVII Snowboarding on their cell phone is probably better than watching The Spirits Within! <_<
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I don't deny that AC's action scenes will be awesome, but I can see the story scenes turning out to be a flop.

Disappointment is always a concern for anything. It goes without saying.

Though I don't know if Matrix 2 is a good example...plenty thought the trailer for that was bad because the special effects looked so fake ;)

And millions of DVDs, in America alone? Come on, that's just pushing it. The worldwide record is, IIRC, ~40 million. I don't see FFVII AC coming anywhere close to that

What...? "Millions" means 2+ million. Why would you even bring up 40 million? At $15 a pop you're talking a gross of $600 million. Advent Children isn't going to sell as many copies on DVD as some $400 million uber-blockbuster movie, because it's not. This thing had a budget in the tens of millions of dollar at most. A few million is all it'll need to sell to be a hit. (and as long theorized, most likely push SquareEnix towards a real FF7 remake as they see "under-exploited cash cow" visions in their heads)

Keep in mind that unit sales figures with DVDs tend to be higher, though the DVD industry as a whole is smaller in terms of revenues than the video game industry. It's just a question of unit price.

Expecting 1+ million copies sold in the US isn't that much to expect. Remember that that would be similar to the sales of, say, 400K games.
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If Sephiroth fell, perhaps Cloud did, as well.

...?

Why is it that some people are so set on joining Cloud and Sephiroth together like that? What Sephiroth does has nothing to do with Cloud. It's like saying a Ganondorf drop would suddenly affect Link, or that a Link increase would give Ganon an increase. There's no reason to even compare them.

Oh, and if the hype for the new Zelda game was what caused Link to grow from '03 to '04, there's no reason for Link to not grow at least a percent or two over the past year.

Why we he grow again from hype? Two straight years of noticeable increase because of hype? That's rather ridiculous, if you ask me. The odds of seeing him increase even by .5% remain unlikely. There's no reason to believe that he's in store for any increase until Twilight Princess is actually released.

Cloud will need a serious boost from the previous year,

No, he does not. Cloud needs to overcome that ~4000 votes in order to beat Link. There's absolutely no reason to believe Cloud needs a serious boost in order to beat Link. Thinking that Link will get another boost from hype is just foolish.

Actually, matches need to be within 50.5/49.5 to see any chance of a match, given the same circumstances, go the other way.

I fail to see how that could possibly be the case. The amount that Link won by in 2004 does not strike me as something that would be guaranteed for him to win again if nothing else were released.

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Nominate Zelda for the Summer Contest 2005.
Yoblazer: I'm about three things: kicking ass; taking names; and winning GameFAQs contests.

Why we he grow again from hype? Two straight years of noticeable increase because of hype? That's rather ridiculous, if you ask me. The odds of seeing him increase even by .5% remain unlikely. There's no reason to believe that he's in store for any increase until Twilight Princess is actually released.

The preorder might do it. Preorders are a big deal for big games like that. I bought a GameCube because of the preorder bonus for Wind Waker, and I don't doubt that many more will do the same for Twilight Princess.

Why is it that some people are so set on joining Cloud and Sephiroth together like that? What Sephiroth does has nothing to do with Cloud. It's like saying a Ganondorf drop would suddenly affect Link, or that a Link increase would give Ganon an increase. There's no reason to even compare them.


I'd say that most characters within specific franchises are at least somewhat connected. Look at what happened to almost all things Square in SC2k4. And when two characters are in the same game, they're even more closely connected. One would think that the main reason for a character to fall would be for the game the character comes from being forgotten, and thus all characters from that game would suffer. This is the logic people use when predicting that Liquid's poor perfomance means bad things for Solid in the Summer.


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The preorder might do it. Preorders are a big deal for big games like that. I bought a GameCube because of the preorder bonus for Wind Waker, and I don't doubt that many more will do the same for Twilight Princess.

I can understand people having a reason to buy a GameCube when they packaged the Zelda collection in with it, but I would doubt that there was an increase of sales once the preorder bonus went on. And the preorder bonus this year will net you a "Super Premium Edition," according to Reggie. It won't be the same as preorder and get a game. I'm thinking the best that could happen out of that is a demo of the game. The rest of that package would come when the game came out.

I'd say that most characters within specific franchises are at least somewhat connected. Look at what happened to almost all things Square in SC2k4.

Yes, they share a fanbase because they appeal to the same fans. But to say that because one increases/decreases means that another should be looked at to increase/decrease is rather ridiculous. Cloud performed like he should have in 2004 while Sephiroth looked worse than his 2003 performance. He then looked worse in the villain contest. You can't tell me that a decline by Sephiroth means that Cloud is suddenly in danger of doing so. Like Leonhart has said in the past, they are not joined by the hip.

This is the logic people use when predicting that Liquid's poor perfomance means bad things for Solid in the Summer.

The only way Solid Snake is going to be in trouble in 2004 is if the unadjusted stats had him in the correct position. That has him performing worse than what we would think now, but it isn't because all the MGS characters would drop off across the board. I really can't explain Liquid because he performed worse than even his unadjusted value suggested so...

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Nominate Zelda for the Summer Contest 2005.
Yoblazer: I'm about three things: kicking ass; taking names; and winning GameFAQs contests.

Nothing outside of the big 4 comic books (Superman, Batman, Spiderman, and X-Men) do extremely well.

Blade:
Gross
$70,001,065 (USA) (20 December 1998)
$42,600,000 (Non-USA) (20 December 1998)

Blade II:
$150,145,152 (Worldwide) ( 2002)

Source: imdb.com

Seems to be pretty good for being outside the Big 4...
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Yo Yogi? No, yoblazer! Congratulations to yoblazer for being the top Guru!
Heavy finals: Rosa vs. Seed, at www.rpgdl.com!

About Liquid...do I need to remind anybody again that Liquid did better in the final hours against Frog than Solid did? There's something fishy with that.
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Roses are red, violets are blue, Yoblazer has owned each and every guru.
Enjoy your prizes, bro.

Why we he grow again from hype? Two straight years of noticeable increase because of hype? That's rather ridiculous, if you ask me. The odds of seeing him increase even by .5% remain unlikely. There's no reason to believe that he's in store for any increase until Twilight Princess is actually released.

There was very little to hype about last year compared to this year...I don't see how excitement can't go up when there's a ton more information about Zelda: TP this year. Plus, who's to say that Link's growth last year was all because of hype? It makes no sense to me to see Link hit a ceiling based on what we had last year...

I fail to see how that could possibly be the case. The amount that Link won by in 2004 does not strike me as something that would be guaranteed for him to win again if nothing else were released.

I said "given the same circumstances"...so, basically, if we ran the poll any random day around the time Link/Cloud actually happened last year, it would be nearly impossible to see Cloud win unless vote stuffing or tremendous outside support occurs suddenly. (oh, and obviously people would vote differently if the same match was done several times in a row, but I'm not talking about that here)

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There was very little to hype about last year compared to this year...I don't see how excitement can't go up when there's a ton more information about Zelda: TP this year.

Are you kidding? The hype last year was huge, especially since the game was first shown. Everyone was excited about it. To say that it doesn't compare is rather ridiculous. I was more excited and impressed by the trailer last year than I was this year, if only for the shock I got from seeing the "realistic" Zelda. This year was good for information pertaining to the game. But both years are very comparable in hype. There hasn't been a drastic increase from last year, to be perfectly honest.

Plus, who's to say that Link's growth last year was all because of hype? It makes no sense to me to see Link hit a ceiling based on what we had last year...

There's little reason to expect a 1-2% increase for Link again due to hype, unless you believe he won't even benefit, or benefit very little, from Twilight Princess. Link not increasing this year wouldn't mean he's hit a ceiling; just that any hype from the game isn't going to affect him enough to give him a noticeable boost like that. When Twilight Princess actually comes out is when I would expect that increase to happen. But why people are so sure that hype is going to play another role in his increase is beyond me. It doesn't make a lick of sense.

I said "given the same circumstances"...so, basically, if we ran the poll any random day around the time Link/Cloud actually happened last year, it would be nearly impossible to see Cloud win unless vote stuffing or tremendous outside support occurs suddenly.

Well, I must have misunderstood then. What I was saying is if we see Cloud/Link this year that Cloud could certainly win from over a year's change. Not that if we ran the poll shortly after the contest last year that things would have changed. That would have been too soon.

But I do understand what you meant now. Thanks for clarifying that.

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Nominate Zelda for the Summer Contest 2005.
Yoblazer: I'm about three things: kicking ass; taking names; and winning GameFAQs contests.

About Liquid...do I need to remind anybody again that Liquid did better in the final hours against Frog than Solid did? There's something fishy with that.

Like I said before, since Solid had no threat of actually LOSING the match, I'm sure that Frog supporters went out of their way to make sure that Frog's Cinderella run went out with a bang. And since Solid wasn't in a position to lose, I doubt his supporters were there to counter this.
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

In other news, lets go Spurs!
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Spring Contest Final Score: 72/80
Contest Winner: Sephiroth

*sigh*

Let's think back to between the 2k3 and 2k4 summer contests...

...Link was in Soul Calibur 2. Link was in several games packaged with the Gamecube for months (I believe during the Christmas season, too, though I may be wrong on that). Link was in a GBA game (I believe), Link was in LoZ:FSA (I believe that came out before the 2k4 contest)...

...and Link was hyped to be in LoZ:TP about 1 1/2-to-2 years later...


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...anybody else realize we're puttin' alot more emphasis on Link gaining so much from hype last year than we should?
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Roses are red, violets are blue, Yoblazer has owned each and every guru.
Enjoy your prizes, bro.

...anybody else realize we're puttin' alot more emphasis on Link gaining so much from hype last year than we should?

People are putting too much emphasis on hype in general. Those that believe he increased from hype last year also see that happening again this year. I'm sure it did play a part in Link's performance last year, but as you mentioned, the Zelda collection could have done far more than any hype could have done.

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Nominate Zelda for the Summer Contest 2005.
Yoblazer: I'm about three things: kicking ass; taking names; and winning GameFAQs contests.

It's strange how people are expecting an increase out of Link due to hype from the trailers (which is little more than watching a movie itself), while they don't expect an actual release to do anything for Cloud.
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thats probably because he is the defending champion so people i think are excited with anything that may help him retain the title.
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Sephiroth has lost 8.5% in the last year and a half. I think it's reasonable to conclude that things don't look as well for Cloud as they normally would. There's still AC, of course, and that could be big, on this site at least.

And, using the Link/Ganondorf example, it does indeed appear that both have increased since 2k3. Not quite proportionally, but pretty close. So just because Sephiroth dropped 8.5% doesn't mean that Cloud is going to lose the same amount, but it does suggest that perhaps the site is swinging away somewhat from FFVII, which would negatively affect Cloud.
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Yoblazer killed me in the Guru Contest. Congrats!

Er, not 8.5%, 7.5%.
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Yoblazer killed me in the Guru Contest. Congrats!

Alot of characters overperformed in the last contest.

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SOLID writeup by creativename there.
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Sephiroth has lost 8.5% in the last year and a half.

Which are you referring to here, because even though you said "last year and a half" I need to make sure I get this, between 2003 and 2004 or 2004 and 2005? Because if you were referring to the latter, you would be saying that Sephiroth fell underneath Mario, which has been brought up before. I will have to greatly disagree with Sephiroth falling so much that he would lose to Mario, or have an exceptionally close match, have a close match with Sonic, and then get beat comfortably by Samus.


Now, if you were referring to Sephiroth's drop from 2003 to 2004 disregard everything I just said.

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Nominate Zelda for the Summer Contest 2005.
Yoblazer: I'm about three things: kicking ass; taking names; and winning GameFAQs contests.

I was referring to 2k3 to Sp2k5, which is probably closer to two years than a year and a half but we'll ignore that. That puts Seph barely above 2k4 Samus.
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"I think those guys forget about number 5. He's Superman."
See quote.

Oh, and the only reason I bring that up is because both are around the 7.5% drop value. Sephiroth loses exactly 7.31% from 2003 to 2004 and around 7.7% from 2004 to 2005.

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Nominate Zelda for the Summer Contest 2005.
Yoblazer: I'm about three things: kicking ass; taking names; and winning GameFAQs contests.

Cloud did beat Sephiroth by more than he did in 2003 and then went on to lose to Link in a very close match. Going off of that, I don't think there's any reason to suspect that Cloud has taken a drop like Sephiroth has. Even if he did drop, and I would guess it would be by very small amounts, it isn't anything he couldn't gain back with Advent Children. But I don't believe there's reason to suspect that Cloud has taken any fall after performing well in 2004.

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Nominate Zelda for the Summer Contest 2005.
Yoblazer: I'm about three things: kicking ass; taking names; and winning GameFAQs contests.

About Liquid...do I need to remind anybody again that Liquid did better in the final hours against Frog than Solid did? There's something fishy with that.

Different days of the week have different voting trends. It's as simple as that.

And HM, you've said before that Cloud could beat Link even without AC, just based on year-to-year variation. Link could experience a boost too, based on that same thing.
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Yoblazer pwned my ass so hard in the Guru contest that I couldn't change my sig for a week.

And HM, you've said before that Cloud could beat Link even without AC, just based on year-to-year variation. Link could experience a boost too, based on that same thing.

If he does experience something similar, it isn't as though it'll be anything to stop Cloud from winning. I have said that multiple times, but Cloud, as well as Sephiroth, is going to receive a very noticeable boost from Advent Children. I wouldn't exactly say that Link's boost is going to be that noticeable... at least not enough to stop Cloud from winning. But yes, I suppose the same thing could happen.

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A Final Fantasy movie translating into 150+ million dollars? That's one of the craziest things I've ever read. Gaming isn't a big enough part of American mainstream culture for a movie based on a video game to make that much at the box office, especially not a movie based off of an RPG. If you want a movie targeting gamers to make insane prophets, it would have to be a movie based off of either Halo or Grand Theft Auto, and you would need some very high-profile actors in it.

Imagine Samuel L. Jackson actually playing Tenpenny in a San Andreas movie, and Quintin Tarrentino directing it. I could almost see such a movie breaking, oh... 50 million or so. Or you could make a Halo movie with the Governator playing Master Chief. That could work.

But a Final Fantasy movie making 150 million? Ludicrous.

From: HaRRicH | Posted: 6/12/2005 11:37:28 PM | Message Detail
Ulti, as you may probably know, the RATE THE GAME tourney is now gettin' into the Final Four. Would you have a problem if, after the bracket finishes, I make another bracket with your updated list and try to keep it as a fairly regular thing on Board 8 for awhile?

Couldn't care less. Knock yourself out.

~*ST*~
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Congrats, and hopefully you win the whole thing.

Since we're talking about comic book movies and Blade (the first comic book movie I thought of that I expected to have done well) was mentioned add to that the fact that The Crow nearly hit $100m worldwide on a $15m budget doesn't look too bad for movies based on comics. Comic book movies can make plenty of money, usually the first thing to do is to not treat them like they are comic book movies, though.
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GTA and Halo wouldn't lend themselves to movies as well as FF, unless they did something seriously different.

Which would be awesome. Imagine a cheesy action flick for GTA... <3
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I was referring to 2k3 to Sp2k5, which is probably closer to two years than a year and a half but we'll ignore that. That puts Seph barely above 2k4 Samus.

Then it's essentially a battle of potential Cloud/Seph SFF + FF:AC versus MP2:E + MP demos shipped with the DS. Interesting enough.

Different days of the week have different voting trends. It's as simple as that.

While true, CT and its characters almost always take the night vote. Solid, to my knowledge, didn't win a single update off of Frog in the last three hours...Liquid went toe-to-toe with Frog. Solid > Liquid in contest strength, and they're both in the same series (with Solid being in more games and more prominent roles than Liquid). To boot, Solid had alot more of a bracket advantage over Frog than Liquid did. By all means, either Liquid should have lost the night vote to Frog worse than Solid did or Solid should have kept Frog from going toe-to-toe with him like Frog did with Liquid. While voting patterns DO vary from night to night, this one's against logic...and if this past contest is worth anything, it's against the stats as well.
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Roses are red, violets are blue, Yoblazer has owned each and every guru.
Enjoy your prizes, bro.

Strength is completely irrelevant when it comes to day/night vote! Just because Solid is stronger than Liquid, that doesn't mean that he's going to do better at night. Ocarina of Time didn't do anywhere near as good at night as Chrono Trigger, and it's stronger. Day and night votes are completely relative.

And you make a good point: Solid's in more games than Liquid. Perhaps Solid and Liquid would be almost equal, if not for MGS2. MGS2 is what shifted the vote in Solid's favor, and MGS2 is stronger in the day than MGS is. MGS went toe-to-toe with FFT for the night vote, and FFT is at least as cult as CT. So, Liquid has more night-power, and Solid has more day-power. Simple as that.
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Yoblazer pwned my ass so hard in the Guru contest that I couldn't change my sig for a week.

need... contest...
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!

Is this topic going a lot slower than all the others or is it just me?
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Yoblazer: I'm about three things: kicking ass, taking names, and winning Guru contests.

FFT is at least as cult as CT

Not here. It's far more cult than CT here.
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Uh, "at least as cult" does include "more cult". But still, the culter you get, the better the night vote, which is my point.
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There's really no comparison in cult status here. On GameFAQS, to call Chrono Trigger "cult" is ridiculous. A cult character could never beat Mario.
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$45 for a 90 minute DVD? That can't be good at attracting new fans...

Can you say MSRP? Very few retail outlets sell DVDs for standard prices, just look at the discounts on amazon.com. You'll see 40% price reductions all over the place, and sometimes more than that.

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Yoblazer pwned my ass so hard in the Guru contest that I couldn't change my sig for a week.

I'm not saying that strength completely matters here...but considering how similar they are and the number of games each of them's been in for the MGS franchise, they ought to stay similar in terms of voting patterns through-out the day and night (though they may not); it makes sense that Solid would be strong at generally the same times as Liquid is...

...so what I'm getting at is this: Liquid bombed VERY hard against Sephiroth based on 2k4 expectations, we know this. It's very possible that 20XX adjustments are simply crap, and yet, even if we assume this, Liquid STILL bombed very hard against Sephiroth. From there, there's two things one can assume:

1) Sephiroth/Liquid is an example of transitivity gone wrong.
2) There's a problem with Mega/Solid, Frog/Solid, or Liquid/Frog.

When Liquid outdoes Solid in the same time that Crono, Magus, and CT are strongest at (and Lavos too, maybe?) against the common opponent of Frog in the same contest, it's worth looking at. Now, it wouldn't be such a big deal if they were still pretty close to one another's performances in the night...but Solid didn't win a single update in the last three hours. Liquid kept up with Frog in the only match he was in that contest, so we had no more effective data on him 'til Seph/Liquid came along (since Lavos/ MB, and OT were new, for those wondering)...

...it might just be me (though I know I've seen it suggested), but I think Liquid over-performed pretty big for whatever reason (massive rallying, some major link we didn't know about, cheating, etc.). I incredibly doubt there's a problem with Mega/Solid, though the Frog/Solid theories have still been thrown about...but even then, I'm pretty sure the amount Frog would have had to gain against Solid would have had to be huge in order to make Seph/Liquid look possible, so I don't think it's entirely to blame either.

Until further notice, Liquid heavily over-performed against Frog in my book.

And you make a good point: Solid's in more games than Liquid. Perhaps Solid and Liquid would be almost equal, if not for MGS2. MGS2 is what shifted the vote in Solid's favor

Which reminds me: Raiden deserves another chance.
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Roses are red, violets are blue, Yoblazer has owned each and every guru.
Enjoy your prizes, bro.

Until further notice, Liquid heavily over-performed against Frog in my book.

That's my guess, as well. I can't see Lavos and Mother Brain being all that popular.. Hey, now, and remember that Sam Fisher overperformed a ton against Magus, too. :P

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Yoblazer beat me in the Guru Challenge! Good job!

$45 for a 90 minute DVD? That can't be good at attracting new fans...

Can you say MSRP? Very few retail outlets sell DVDs for standard prices, just look at the discounts on amazon.com. You'll see 40% price reductions all over the place, and sometimes more than that.


Actually, while re-reading that article, they said that $45 US is what a typical DVD costs in Japan, so that was why I deleted it.

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I don't have an ego.
I'm way too cool for that.

Speaking of movies based on video games...
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2031

What do you think of the proposed Halo movie?
Sounds great; I'll wait in line for that 7.75% 52
Interesting; Who will play MC? 37.11% 249
Meh, it won't even be worth renting 25.19% 169
It'll be worse than Super Mario Bros. 29.96% 201
TOTAL VOTES 671
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I got decimated by yoblazer33 in the Spring 2k5 Guru contest! Congrats to yoblazer33 for a job well done!

I knew nothing about a proposed Halo movie when I made that post earlier. I feel like an accidental physic.

~*ST*~
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*PWNED BY YOBLAZER in the Guru Contest*
Congrats, and hopefully you win the whole thing.

Then you might be interested in these two links:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/06/10/news_6127307.html

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl= story&cid=581&e=3&u=/nm/20050610/tc_nm/media_halo_dc
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I got decimated by yoblazer33 in the Spring 2k5 Guru contest! Congrats to yoblazer33 for a job well done!

I think you mean psychic, not physic =). And when I saw that poll this morning, I was like, "Holy ****, those guys in the stats topic are psychic." Ok, so I didn't actually think or say that exact phrase, but I did think about this discussion.

And I wasn't even aware there was a Doom movie. I'm not even going to make the bad pun we all see coming.
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Despite being in an 11-way tie for 4th in the Guru challenge, I got totally owned by Yoblazer.

I forgot Blade was a comic actually. Of course, I think Blade sold more on its own merits than being comic. But you broke my point, so I got nothing. Still dont think Final Fantasy would do huge at the box office.
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Yoblazer made me look like Tanner in the Guru Contest.

In the GameSpot link, it sounded like Microsoft is in a hurry to get the cash-cow milkin'.
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Roses are red, violets are blue, Yoblazer has owned each and every guru.
Enjoy your prizes, bro.

Hmm, sounds like MS.
Oh, and that doom movie... yeah, it's doomed.
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!

Ulti:
A Final Fantasy movie translating into 150+ million dollars? That's one of the craziest things I've ever read.

I'm not gonna rehash this again...but trust me: you don't know the business, and don't really know what you're talking about. Don't trust your feelings on this at all.

But the Halo movie's success depends on what style they go with, and of course whether the director is a hack or not. Video game movies that "feel" like games or are silly/cartoony won't fly.

For instance, a Metroid movie that had the feel of Ridley Scott's Alien and was a solitary horror movie—pretty much no characters outside of Samus—and gave off a claustrophobic vibe, with a truly impressive and resourceful Samus, would do well. Something simply seeking to exploit the Metroid name would flop, because the Metroid games themselves ain't drawing anybody to the theaters.


NewLib:
Of course, I think Blade sold more on its own merits than being comic.

Yeah, and the first two did real good. The third was a flop, but what else would you expect with HHH involved? ;) They just really messed up on the third; I've heard about the iPod stuff.

And talking about comic book movies, everyone always forgets Road to Perdition. That was great. My little brother was bugging me to see it for over a year before I finally gave in reluctantly, and I was mad that I didn't listen to him earlier. Real good movie.
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A Halo movie has been in the news the past week, I'm surprised people hadn't heard about it. And it was originally proposed a while ago I believe; I remember hearing something a long time ago.
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The Doom movie looks like a flop, because of the approach that it's taking. The whole point of an adaptation is to use the most appealing parts of the source material, and that's not what they seem to be doing here.

One thing I did hear that sounded good—but very risky: in EGM or something I read that they wanted to film the climactic end scene from a first person view. Now, I think such a thing could be very artistic if well-done—and might even lead others to copy it into other genres. However if poorly done it could just come off as "WTF?" and unintentional humor.
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Creativename, I still want to know how a Final Fantasy based on a film would actually work. If its animated, I can see it. But Animated Action movies (and Im sure there is an example of one being a huge box office success that Im just not remembering) for the most part do not do well. It either has to be really funny or for children. Even on the television front, action animations aren't the cash cow that comedy animations are.

And if you say live action, I want you to think how stupid Final Fantasy VII would look with real actors.
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Yoblazer made me look like Tanner in the Guru Contest.

And I know someone can throwout Yu-Gi-Oh or Dragonball Z or Pokemon, but for every huge action cartoon there have been 5 Rugrats, Spongebobs, PowerPuff Girls, Kids Next Door, and Recess. And even then we are talking about action animated aimed at children. There has yet to be an extremely successful adult action animation. Just look at the ratings an All-Action Saturday night did for Adult Swim. Took a nose dive.
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Yoblazer made me look like Tanner in the Guru Contest.

In Starcraft, do the Zerg and Protoss campaigns go faster than the Terran campaign? I'm not having any problems, but it's going very slow. I'm about halfway through the 8th mission. Maybe I should use a couple of nukes...
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The yoblazer: He is so much better at the Guru Contest than you.
ZSB [aX]

Just look at the ratings an All-Action Saturday night did for Adult Swim. Took a nose dive.

Yep.
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Well, the biggest animated adult action movie so far is...you guessed it, FF: The Spirits Within, with an amazing $32 Million in the US. Not many are willing to re-explore that genre.
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Yoblazer pwned my ass so hard in the Guru contest that I couldn't change my sig for a week.

From: therealmnm | Posted: 6/14/2005 6:24:10 PM
Just look at the ratings an All-Action Saturday night did for Adult Swim. Took a nose dive.

Yep.

*doesn't get it*

Friday and Saturday nights are significantly bad for TV viewing. Most people, especially in AS's target audience, aren't even at home! Of course, then, Saturday nigths would have less than stellar ratings especially since we are heading into the summer season which sees even more of AS's target audience going out for their night-time entertainment. It's as obvious as a kick in the face.
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!

I think we're all getting tired of this discussion, but I'll make a few more responses, as this is a rather interesting subject.

And if you say live action, I want you to think how stupid Final Fantasy VII would look with real actors.

I can certainly envision in my head it looking quite great. It's just a question of getting the right talent in terms of costume design and special effects. There's a lot of very talented people out there that could definitely pull this off; pulling it off wouldn't be the problem, finding the right people is the issue.

I still want to know how a Final Fantasy based on a film would actually work.

The job of the director and crew is to translate some vision in their heads into the motion picture format. A vision for this type of film is easily formed. And with the right director, it can be executed well.

As you said, CGI animated action has a poor track record and that is why you wouldn't want to pursue that. Live action would be the way to go.

The main problem with animation is that a Final Fantasy movie would have to have realistic characters, not cartoony ones. Realistic CGI animation doesn't fly (at least not in the US). It is definitely possible for a cartoony animated action film to do good though; Dragonall Z would be the obvious example of something that lends itself more to CGI animated action, and could be very profitable. Whereas a live-action DBZ movie would likely be a total joke.
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Thanks for clarifying Chichi
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You're quite welcome :)
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!

I got to thinking about something, which never hit me before despite knowing this for many days.

How would you feel about any sort of potential boost if Final Fantasy VII was packaged with Advent Children? This, among many other items, is what you get when you purchase the "Ultimate Edition" of Advent Children in Japan. The total cost for this package is somewhere around ~$230, but we all know there would never be something that high over here. There is a confirmed Limited Edition package that you can purchase that will be more expensive over here, and I wouldn't doubt the inclusion of the original game in it.


Now, that's just something to talk about because it isn't confirmed that Square Enix will put the original FFVII game with Advent Children. But I would consider a very good possibility at this point.

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“…Aerith. She was smiling to the end. We have to do something, or that smile will just freeze like that.”
Cloud Strife

First off about Adult Swim. They were pulling me over twice the ratings with just a Futurama lead-in over no comedy lead in. You can blame the timeslot all you want, fact is the ratings dropped big when Futurama went away.

As for a live action Final Fantasy, I would laugh if I saw it. Cloud with his hair and his 5 foot sword. Sephiroth general design would look so weird on a real person. Aeris is a thin girl who fights people with a ROD. Are we suppose to believe that people with guns cant hit Tifa running at them with FISTS? Cait Sith, yeah just Cait Sith. Add in the fact that compared to movies, Final Fantasy VII plot doesnt hold up. Final Fantasy VII plot is a bit bizzare at times and we all know what the Matrix movies did when the plot started getting really bizzare. Its a good video game plot, but movies are held to a different standard especially with how much is the audience willing to believe (This statement doesnt count for comedy). And I only touched FFVII, FFX has the same problems as does every other FF game. They require the person to stretch their imagination a little to far to be taken seriously.
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Yoblazer made me look like Tanner in the Guru Contest.

I dont see people who haven't played Final Fantasy VII even paying 150 for a movie whose plot they know little to nothing about and a game they can get for 15 dollars.
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Yoblazer made me look like Tanner in the Guru Contest.

Tediz, are you talking about the original or BW? Protoss and Zerg campaigns are longer(because it is harder) than the Terran campaign in the original. Terran campaign is boring though, too many escort missions for my taste.

I dont see people who haven't played Final Fantasy VII even paying 150 for a movie whose plot they know little to nothing about and a game they can get for 15 dollars.

Where does that $150 number come from? The "Limited Edition" of Advent Children will, obviously, have more than the regular edition that will go for standard DVD prices.

And Nomura has already stated that this movie can be enjoyed by people who have not played FFVII. Hell, he even said that the first time anyone watches it will be purely for the visuals and action sequences. To fully grasp what's going on, you would need to watch the movie more than once I'll say that much.

You're putting far too much emphasis on this movie being bought purely to advance the plot of Final Fantasy VII. This was original meant to be a 20 minute action sequence between Cloud and Sephiroth, and it turned into a movie that goes over 100 minutes in length. One of the main selling points of the movie is how great it looks combined with all the action that is thrown in there. Why you think that people will pass on it solely because they didn't get the plot is beyond me. People who play FFVII in this day and age don't even understand the plot.

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“…Aerith. She was smiling to the end. We have to do something, or that smile will just freeze like that.”
Cloud Strife

From: NewLib | Posted: 6/14/2005 6:59:52 PM
I dont see people who haven't played Final Fantasy VII even paying 150 for a movie whose plot they know little to nothing about and a game they can get for 15 dollars.

FYI, I'm gonna see it and haven't played much of FFVII.
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On a totally unrelated note, Square Enix makes me said...

http://www.square-enix.co.jp/party05/

All their good stuff was saved for that invite only party. ;_;

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“…Aerith. She was smiling to the end. We have to do something, or that smile will just freeze like that.”
Cloud Strife

I got 150 if they include everything they did in Japan and thats being generous with a 230 dollar drop.

Of course if its just the game and movie, S-E is ripping people off if they make people pay more than $45.
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Yoblazer made me look like Tanner in the Guru Contest.

If you are a big enough FF7 fan to buy the special edition, chances are you already own a copy of FF7 anyways. It would be the other extras in the package that you would be interested in.
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I got decimated by yoblazer33 in the Spring 2k5 Guru contest! Congrats to yoblazer33 for a job well done!

Err I meant 80 dollar drop.


Also, you are going to buy the movie. Are you going to buy it for a higher price if they include the game or a much higher price if they include anything else?
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Yoblazer made me look like Tanner in the Guru Contest.

And Nomura has already stated that this movie can be enjoyed by people who have not played FFVII.

Isn't that what Square said about TSW? That you wouldn't have to play any FF games to enjoy it? And look how far that got.
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Yoblazer pwned my ass so hard in the Guru contest that I couldn't change my sig for a week.

I got 150 if they include everything they did in Japan and thats being generous with a 230 dollar drop.

They won't be including many of the extras that are found in the Japanese version, that's just obvious at this point. The Cloud/Fenrir models among other things aren't likely to be there and certainly not for an outrageous price point.

Of course if its just the game and movie, S-E is ripping people off if they make people pay more than $45.

I would imagine the completely extra bonus DVD and the different trailers would all be included. And I would expect the price to be around the $40 - $50 dollar price point for the "Limited Edition."

If you are a big enough FF7 fan to buy the special edition, chances are you already own a copy of FF7 anyways. It would be the other extras in the package that you would be interested in.

You don't really have to be a big fan of FFVII to want the extras included in the other version. If there's enough in there that's appealing, people will certainly buy it. A game included with that certainly doesn't hurt people wanting to fork over extra cash for it. I would still expect the normal edition to outsell the "Limited Edition," just as the Limited Edition Halo 2 sold less than the original Halo 2. But it's something that could potentially help regardless.

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“…Aerith. She was smiling to the end. We have to do something, or that smile will just freeze like that.”
Cloud Strife

Isn't that what Square said about TSW? That you wouldn't have to play any FF games to enjoy it? And look how far that got.

Well, they were right... you didn't need to play any Final Fantasy to like that... if you somehow liked it. The Spirits Within was just a mess in general. It had very little to do with Final Fantasy, didn't contain very much "grasping" scenes, and had a horrible plot.

While AC is a continuation of FFVII's plot, you are still fully capable of understanding what's going on during the movie and enjoy the visuals and multiple action sequences all without having played FFVII. Now, you would definitely have a greater understanding of everything if you had played the game prior, but it isn't a necessity. You won't be lost by not playing the game.

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“…Aerith. She was smiling to the end. We have to do something, or that smile will just freeze like that.”
Cloud Strife

I understand Jenova plays a very alrge role in Advent Children. Unless Advent Children wastes half an hour explaining Jenova, you would need to have played FFVII to have a clue as to what would be happening.
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The yoblazer: He is so much better at the Guru Contest than you.
ZSB [aX]

(Potential Advent Children Spoilers)



Jenova's role in Advent Children is more or less focused around obtaining the head in order to bring Sephiroth back, or as Vincent puts it: "If they wanted to, they could create another Sephiroth."

The need it in order to bring back Sephiroth, so that's the focus around it. It isn't required that you know all about Jenova and her involvement with the Cetra or being known as the "Calamity of the Skies," at least for now...

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“…Aerith. She was smiling to the end. We have to do something, or that smile will just freeze like that.”
Cloud Strife

HM's probably right in that the US special edition will ditch the goodies (models, script, cap, shirt, keychain) and just have the discs. You'll probably have to import if you want the other stuff.

Here's the article by the way (for some reason it won't let me post the real link, says it's over 80 characters even though it's only 62?):

http://tinyurl.com/c5lq4
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GameFAQs recently fixed a glitch where urls would not activate the 80 character word limit. However, the glitch where carrage returns don't count as a space still exists. Since most people only use carrage returns to separate a url from everything else the are typing, GameFAQs will count the letters on both sides of the url as part of the url until it hits a space character.
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I got decimated by yoblazer33 in the Spring 2k5 Guru contest! Congrats to yoblazer33 for a job well done!

Well, they were right... you didn't need to play any Final Fantasy to like that... if you somehow liked it. The Spirits Within was just a mess in general. It had very little to do with Final Fantasy, didn't contain very much "grasping" scenes, and had a horrible plot.

My point was that even though you didn't have to be a fan of FF to understand it, FF fans were pretty much the only ones who went to see it. I really don't see non-FF fans buying FF AC. I doubt non-FF fans would even know it existed, unless its marketing budget is bigger than that of any FF game.
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Yoblazer pwned my ass so hard in the Guru contest that I couldn't change my sig for a week.

What Mac said. I think it will be a success on sites like this and make a decent profit for SquEnix, but I don't expect a straight-to-DVD CGI plot continuation of a seven year old videogame to be a mainstream success. As I said before, I think SquEnix is wise to avoid a theatrical release, because this movie is going to be bought by Final Fantasy VII fans and not much else. The downside of releasing it as a DVD is that any universal appeal is pretty much shot; people who would go see a movie that looks decent for $5 are going to be much less inclined to buy a DVD for $20.
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Yoblazer killed me in the Guru Contest. Congrats!

A theatrical release for Advent Children would be pretty out of the question from the start. You're talking much higher budgets when talking about wide cinematic releases.

And with a DVD release you have higher unit prices, allowing you to exploit the fanbase better. It's leveraging of loyalty. A DVD release for this was obviously a good decision.

I doubt non-FF fans would even know it existed, unless its marketing budget is bigger than that of any FF game.

They wouldn't know now, but obviously they'll know later. This thing won't have a marketing budget the size of the games, but it won't need that to be promoted at your local DVD retailer or on TV. Large numbers of people in the target demographic will know about this when it's released. And given the appeal that this type of material holds to this demographic, a good portion of them will want it too.
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In Starcraft, do the Zerg and Protoss campaigns go faster than the Terran campaign?

No, they're harder and slower. The Terran campaign has several extremely easy missions at the beginning, and the other two don't have that. You will get faster as you get better at the game, though.
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Congrats to yoblazer, the Guru contest winner!

you don't know the business, and don't really know what you're talking about.

You're far too smart a person to make such an idiotic assumption. Don't presume what I do or do not know about the movie business after reading one or two of my posts. I don't think an FF movie would make 150 million dollars, you do, let's just drop it and talk about something else.

Tediz: The Zerg campaign is fast as hell, but then again, it's the Zerg. All you ever have to do is mass units and attack-move them all at once. Toss is probably the slowest of the three campaigns.

~*ST*~
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Congrats, and hopefully you win the whole thing.

This thing won't have a marketing budget the size of the games, but it won't need that to be promoted at your local DVD retailer

Huh? You think that AC's big enough to be promoted at the local DVD retailer? I very seriously doubt it's going to be anywhere close to that big. From what I've seen, a film has to be big enough to make at least $200 Million at the box office to actually receive special promotion. The only direct-to-DVDs I've seen promoted have been Disney sequels. I doubt that AC's going to be as big as Lion King 2.

or on TV.

Since when do games get advertised on TV? In the past year I've seen ads for Metroid Prime 2 and Gran Turismo 4. That's it. Unless it has an enormous marketing budget, non-gamers aren't going to know about it.

Large numbers of people in the target demographic will know about this when it's released.

HOW?! Unless you're talking about FFVII-fans, there's no chance of having a huge number of people know about AC.

And given the appeal that this type of material holds to this demographic, a good portion of them will want it too.

At E3, the fans were far more interested in the FFVII-tech demo than they were in AC. Doesn't sound like they'll want it to me.
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Yoblazer pwned my ass so hard in the Guru contest that I couldn't change my sig for a week.

In the past year I've seen ads for Metroid Prime 2 and Gran Turismo 4.

Don't forget Halo 2. Otherwise, while there are other examples, I'm inclined to agree.

At E3, the fans were far more interested in the FFVII-tech demo than they were in AC.

To be fair, was anything about FF:AC shared?
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Roses are red, violets are blue, Yoblazer has owned each and every guru.
Enjoy your prizes, bro.

I thought that there was a new trailer released, as HM was getting all excited about how awesome it was. I guess it could be older than E3, but I'm pretty sure it was new.
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Yoblazer pwned my ass so hard in the Guru contest that I couldn't change my sig for a week.

I've seen TV ads for all three Ratchet and Clank games, they weren't very well done IMO, except for maybe one or two. I think I might have also seen a Metroid Prime ad at one time.

There was also a bit of an ad campaign for Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles in movie theatres for a while.
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Despite being in an 11-way tie for 4th in the Guru challenge, I got totally owned by Yoblazer.

Most sports games get good marketing. I saw a couple commercials for Xenosaga 2 (or at least I think I remember seeing them), and I have seen more commercials for all those stealth-type games (SoCom, Chaos Theory, etc...) than I care to even recall.

All you need is a couple commercials to just inform the general public. From there word of mouth will spread, and anyone who had any inclination to purchase an FFVII movie will likely know about it actually being produced.

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YoBlazer(33) & Robotnik pwned my (Ro)butt in Sp2k5

does anyone know how much the spirits within made worldwide? i know it cost 120 million dollars to make but i guess it could have been several millions less had they not paid the voice actors so much. imagine a ff game with those graphics it could probably make more money than the movie since so many people are usually only interested in graphics.
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

I think somebody said $34,000,000 earlier...not sure if that's America only or world-wide though, if I even remember that right.
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Roses are red, violets are blue, Yoblazer has owned each and every guru.
Enjoy your prizes, bro.

At E3, the fans were far more interested in the FFVII-tech demo than they were in AC. Doesn't sound like they'll want it to me.

That's because there was suddenly the possibility of a FFVII remake on the PS3, even if Wada said that there wouldn't be at this time.

To be fair, was anything about FF:AC shared?

There was a trailer shown at Square Enix's press-conference.

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“…Aerith. She was smiling to the end. We have to do something, or that smile will just freeze like that.”
Cloud Strife

does anyone know how much the spirits within made worldwide?

The total US gross was 32.1 million, the worldwide gross was 74.4 million. Unfortunately, to make the movie cost 137 million and the advertising that went in was another 30 million. So it was around 167 million toward the making and marketing.

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“…Aerith. She was smiling to the end. We have to do something, or that smile will just freeze like that.”
Cloud Strife

That's terrible.... And the bad thing was, they did little throughout the movie that NEEDED it to be CG generated. The whole movie was just a complete waste of money....
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

The only games I can recall in recent memory that had huge television commercial campaigns are Final Fantasy X, Halo 2, the Jak series, and the Ratchet & Clank series. Other than that, it's just a few commercials here and there.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

Call of Duty... Mercenaries.... Most of the war type games get mad endorsements. I think companies are trying to exploit Bush's presidency... <_<
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

FFX got commercials? I remember seeing several for FFX-2, but I don't remember any FFX ones.
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Roses are red, violets are blue, Yoblazer has owned each and every guru.
Enjoy your prizes, bro.

Those Mercenaries advertisements got on my nerves. Everytime I turn on the TV there was one of them. I did not enjoy them at all. <.<

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“…Aerith. She was smiling to the end. We have to do something, or that smile will just freeze like that.”
Cloud Strife

FFX got commercials? I remember seeing several for FFX-2, but I don't remember any FFX ones.

Well, FFX came out back in the days when I still watched wrestling. I remember seeing them all the time when I watched Raw.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

"FFX got commercials?"

Yes, and a crap-load at that.
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!

Bah, my memory fails me then; up until about a year ago, I used to watch alot of wrestlin' too. Either way, I trust it's true.
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Roses are red, violets are blue, Yoblazer has owned each and every guru.
Enjoy your prizes, bro.

I don't know about you guys, but I keep seeing Area 51 commercials like everyday. Somebody said it could be the next Halo! Argh, that commercial annoys me.

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I got pwned by Yoblazer in the Guru Contest

from where i come from commercials for games were usually for mission impossible,manhunt,ffX-2,jak and mercenaries
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

Just saw Sith, pissed off at Lucas for not elaborating on Anakin's transition to Vader. Also pissed about Mace getting punked like that. Swearing off Star Wars... again (which will last for as long as there isn't a new movie).
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!

I remember that FFTA got commercials as well. Metroid Prime did, but I don't remember Echoes having any.
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The yoblazer: He is so much better at the Guru Contest than you.
ZSB [aX]

Echoes was overshadowed by nearly everything released during that time.


And now that I think about it, MGS3 got its share of advertisement.

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“…Aerith. She was smiling to the end. We have to do something, or that smile will just freeze like that.”
Cloud Strife

Really? I remember MGS2 ads, but none for MGS3.
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Yoblazer killed me in the Guru Contest. Congrats!

We're spending a good deal of our posts talking about commercials for video games... *marks everyone for off-topic posting* :p
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!

Since we're marking for off-topic...

*marks your post about the new Star Wars movie*

...I kid, I kid.
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Roses are red, violets are blue, Yoblazer has owned each and every guru.
Enjoy your prizes, bro.

It's more on topic than a majority of the posts found in these topics as of late.
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So, uh... what day is CJayC going to announce the summer contest?
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Congrats to yoblazer, the Guru contest winner!

You'll know when we know. It looks like he's gonna have it start in August again though.
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Roses are red, violets are blue, Yoblazer has owned each and every guru.
Enjoy your prizes, bro.

Really? I remember MGS2 ads, but none for MGS3.

I saw one ad that glorified the HALO jump and the Shagohod. Awesome stuff ~_^
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The Guru Contest: Where yoblazer owned my ass.

I only remember Halo 2 and MP2 ads.
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Wow. Yoblazer so thoroughly raped me in the guru contest, I'm gonna feel it for exactly two weeks.

*changes subject for no reason at all*

...I wonder how strong Luigi would be in these contests if Nintendo hadn't turned him into a wuss.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

I remember seeing some MP2 commercials.

~*ST*~
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*PWNED BY YOBLAZER in the Guru Contest*
Congrats, and hopefully you win the whole thing.

*kills Ulti for being off topic*
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

...I wonder how strong Luigi would be in these contests if Nintendo hadn't decided to leave him out of so many Mario games, and turned him into a wuss when they did use him.
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I don't want to say this, but yoblazer's making me for him pwning me in the Guru Contest! *grumble*

If he'd have been in more of the Mario games between Mario RPG through the present he'd be a bit stronger. It's not that he is wussified, it's that he's practically forgotten by Nintendo. M&L brought that up in a humorous way, but unless Luigi is there in all big releases from now on it will be the truth, and it will make him quite weak in the public eye.
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!

Well, the long hiatus in the serious Mario platformers probably hurts Luigi the most, but I don't think the image change by Nintendo has made him very popular with the new generation of gamers.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

Luigi not being in Mario 64 is what killed him, methinks. Him not being the Shaggy of the Mario gang would have helped a lil' too, though he does fit the role.
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Roses are red, violets are blue, Yoblazer has owned each and every guru.
Enjoy your prizes, bro.

well, after Scooby whose more popular than Shaggy? No one. Being a chicken isn't going to make people dislike you if it's executed well. If he was done well as a chicken and was in, you know, more of the bigger games, then it wouldn't be a problem.
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!

I remember how shocked I was when I learned a couple years back that Casey Kasem was the voice of Shaggy.
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www.SC2K5.com

Luigi's not cool in any games, except the original Super Mario Kart. Shattering records on my cousin's game with Luigi was totally awesome. But still, other than that he sucks, especially Advance-series remake Luigi, who takes a huge **** on the controls.
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Yoblazer pwned my ass so hard in the Guru contest that I couldn't change my sig for a week.

Koopa Troopa > Luigi in SMK. Love the turtle.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Arbiter for 2k5
Serious Reminder: Nominate Tifa Lockheart for 2k5, too

Exploding Green Missile > All
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

man this topic is going way slower than usual
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

Why, of all characters, Luigi? >_<

Though if Luigi didn't suck, I'd imagine he wuold do quite well.
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The Guru Contest: Where yoblazer owned my ass.

Luigi's coolest move is....


Hmm.



You know, I don't think he has one.

~*ST*~
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*PWNED BY YOBLAZER in the Guru Contest*
Congrats, and hopefully you win the whole thing.

His coolest move is easily his taunt in SSB/SSBM.
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Despite being in an 11-way tie for 4th in the Guru challenge, I got totally owned by Yoblazer.

The aerial karate chop is awesome. It comes out damn fast and has almost no recovery time.
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The yoblazer: He is so much better at the Guru Contest than you.
ZSB [aX]

Tediz is correct
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I don't want to say this, but yoblazer's making me for him pwning me in the Guru Contest! *grumble*

Luigi's a great Ryu clone. He has the Hadouken (Fireball), Shoryuken (Super Jump Punch), and Tatsumaki whatever (Whirlwind Kick).
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Yoblazer killed me in the Guru Contest. Congrats!

Not to mention the fact that he has the second coolest move in the game, the Misfiring Headbutt of Doom (second only to Ninjapuff's Roll).
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Yoblazer killed me in the Guru Contest. Congrats!

Actually... Luigi's closer to Ken, with the flaming dragon punch... I thought that was the whole reasoning behind their special movesets...
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Just an off-topic note (actually its probably more on topic than most of the stuff we have been talking about):

I am playing through Final Fantasy IX a second time which would mark the last main FF (I-X) that I have played less than two times. Vivi is a much better character than I remember him being. He is getting more of my support next year. Also, Steiner > Auron.
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Yoblazer made me look like Tanner in the Guru Contest.

But we can't forget about the WLF (Waluigi Factor).
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Nominate Ms. Pac Man for the Summer Contest... she'd do it for you. She's a sweetie.

Waluigi is the most useless character ever. Nintendo really needs to bring back the Koopa Kids.
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Yoblazer made me look like Tanner in the Guru Contest.

A paraplegic Koopa Kid >>> Waluigi.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Arbiter for 2k5
Serious Reminder: Nominate Tifa Lockheart for 2k5, too

and Tatsumaki whatever (Whirlwind Kick).

Tatsumaki Senpuu Kyaku. ;)

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“…Aerith. She was smiling to the end. We have to do something, or that smile will just freeze like that.”
Cloud Strife

Actually... Luigi's closer to Ken, with the flaming dragon punch... I thought that was the whole reasoning behind their special movesets...

Ah, that makes sense.
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Yoblazer killed me in the Guru Contest. Congrats!

The only Shoryuken ripoff in SSBM in Roy's Blazer, and the biggest Hadouken ripoff is Mewtwo's Shadow Ball. Ryu has a Super Art in 3S that looks exactly like Shadow Ball, where he charges the Hadouken and lets it loose.

~*ST*~
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*PWNED BY YOBLAZER in the Guru Contest*
Congrats, and hopefully you win the whole thing.

Tatsumaki Senpuu Kyaku. ;)

I've known that was the name since reading the original Street Fighter II manual... BUT, why does it NEVER sound like that's what they are saying?

It sounded like they said "Eh-tat-tat-tahnda" in Street Fighter II... <_<
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

That's 'cuz Ryu doesn't know how to say it either.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Arbiter for 2k5
Serious Reminder: Nominate Tifa Lockheart for 2k5, too

Ryu can't say it at all even in TS. To me, Ken sounds something like "Tatsmak senpuukyen". Close enough, I suppose.

I doubt if anyone cares, but I'm on the Zerg campaign now. The last Terran mission gave me a bit of trouble due to the damn enemy ghosts locking down my battlecruisers, but I was able to get some marines and goliaths in there to slaughter them. Just gotta get through this campaign and a couple of Protoss missions before I go online, yay.
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The yoblazer: He is so much better at the Guru Contest than you.
ZSB [aX]

To me it always sounded something like "Ta-bet-syet Baru-ken"
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www.SC2K5.com

Katamari owns my soul. Oh, and I moved into a new place today, go me.
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!

Luigi's coolest move is....


Hmm.



You know, I don't think he has one.

As I've said many times before, the exploding green missile owns your soul.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

Mario > Luigi.

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“…Aerith. She was smiling to the end. We have to do something, or that smile will just freeze like that.”
Cloud Strife

Right, that's why Luigi is always the better character in any game they're both featured in, right?
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

Short portly plumber>Tall lanky plumber

You betta recognize.

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
YoBlazer(33) & Robotnik pwned my (Ro)butt in Sp2k5

I didn't find Luigi to be the better character in Super Mario Brothers 2 (I hated how he jumps), and you're kidding yourself if you think Luigi is better than Mario in SSBM.

~*ST*~
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*PWNED BY YOBLAZER in the Guru Contest*
Congrats, and hopefully you win the whole thing.

I like playing as Luigi a lot more than Mario in SSBM, but I think Mario is considered a little better, yeah.

Luigi > Wario > Mario > Waluigi
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yoblazer is my god. And your god. But mostly mine since I got PWND by his mad guru skills.

...Luigi's AI on SSBM > Mario's AI

*runs*
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

The same Luigi AI that is incapable of using his Up+B to recover?
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The yoblazer: He is so much better at the Guru Contest than you.
ZSB [aX]

Luigi's AI is only decent because the AI knows how to hit aerials perfectly.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/new/faq_2005-06-17.html

*pelvic thrust*

~*ST*~
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*PWNED BY YOBLAZER in the Guru Contest*
Congrats, and hopefully you win the whole thing.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/recognition/40683.html

Oh and check out what I listed my name as. And, though I know that none of you care, I'm on the prolific list for Image contributors. Being on a list is awesome.

~*ST*~
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*PWNED BY YOBLAZER in the Guru Contest*
Congrats, and hopefully you win the whole thing.

Full Name: Magus Zeal

Real clever, Ulti. Real clever.
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The Guru Contest: Where yoblazer owned my ass.

^_^

~*ST*~
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*PWNED BY YOBLAZER in the Guru Contest*
Congrats, and hopefully you win the whole thing.

Web Site: http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/

THIEF!
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SpC2k5 FINAL SCORE: 72/80
*is Janus5000*

Yeah, I saw that as your full name the other day...which reminds me:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1353
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1752
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Arbiter for 2k5
Serious Reminder: Nominate Tifa Lockheart for 2k5, too

Crono > Link WHOAMG
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SpC2k5 FINAL SCORE: 72/80
*is Janus5000*

http://utsports.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/100204aaa.html
http://utsports.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/120404aaa.html

~*ST*~
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*PWNED BY YOBLAZER in the Guru Contest*
Congrats, and hopefully you win the whole thing.

There aren't that many Protoss forces in Zerg Mission 2, unless they all ran away from the might of my Hydralisks and Hunter-Killers. Or unless you counted their Pylons, which you probably did.

*goes on to Mission 3 with the knowledge that he can actually spell the word "Chrysalis"*

Seriously though, good job on doing that.
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The yoblazer: He is so much better at the Guru Contest than you.
ZSB [aX]

I think I did count the Pylons, but meh, who cares. I didn't figure how how to do the box-in thing with difficult enemy bases until later on.

And thanks.

~*ST*~
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*PWNED BY YOBLAZER in the Guru Contest*
Congrats, and hopefully you win the whole thing.

*boos Auburn*

Touche. =P
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Arbiter for 2k5
Serious Reminder: Nominate Tifa Lockheart for 2k5, too

Ulti, you gave Sons of Liberty a 10/10 and Snake Eater a 7/10,

SOMETHING. DOES. NOT. COMPUTE.
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NOMINATE Terra, Manny Calavera, and Leon S. Kennedy FOR SC2k5!

Giving MGS2 anything above a 5/10 is enough to make me have projectile vomit.

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“…Aerith. She was smiling to the end. We have to do something, or that smile will just freeze like that.”
Cloud Strife

MGS2 may not deserve a 10/10...but it gets above 9.0/10 without much question.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Arbiter for 2k5
Serious Reminder: Nominate Tifa Lockheart for 2k5, too

I concur. HM just has to replay it. Then he'll love it.
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"Half of what he said meant something else and the other half didn't mean anything at all."
HoratioQHornblower

MGS3 is the worst game in the series, though check out the last line of my Snake Eater review.

~*ST*~
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*PWNED BY YOBLAZER in the Guru Contest*
Congrats, and hopefully you win the whole thing.

By the way, I feel like such an idiot. I had to reduce the difficulty once to win the last mission of the Night Elf campaign. Archimonde totally destroyed me twice, and I was like screw it. I was hoping it wouldn't be a complete joke, though.

~*ST*~
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*PWNED BY YOBLAZER in the Guru Contest*
Congrats, and hopefully you win the whole thing.

I concur. HM just has to replay it. Then he'll love it.

Replay an MGS game? BWA HA HA!


That's funny.

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“…Aerith. She was smiling to the end. We have to do something, or that smile will just freeze like that.”
Cloud Strife

Hey, it's not my loss if you don't enjoy one of the greatest games out there.

MGS >>> MGS2 though.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Arbiter for 2k5
Serious Reminder: Nominate Tifa Lockheart for 2k5, too

Crono > Link WHOAMG

More importantly, Crono > Magus.

Oh, and MGS3 > MGS2 > MGS. Saying otherwise is HM-like and wrong.
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The Guru Contest: Where yoblazer owned my ass.

I've yet to play MGS3, but MGS >>> MGS2. God intended it to be that way, and so it was.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Arbiter for 2k5
Serious Reminder: Nominate Tifa Lockheart for 2k5, too

"Great" and "Metal Gear Solid" do not go together. The only game from that series I would even call decent is MGS3, which I liked. The others can rot in their crappiness.

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“…Aerith. She was smiling to the end. We have to do something, or that smile will just freeze like that.”
Cloud Strife

*sneaks around in a box*

So sure it's crappy now?!
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Arbiter for 2k5
Serious Reminder: Nominate Tifa Lockheart for 2k5, too

What did David Hayter say when he looked for Heroic Mario's taste?

NOTHING HERE?!
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The yoblazer: He is so much better at the Guru Contest than you.
ZSB [aX]

Heh, in all seriousness though, I can see how people may or may not like the MGS games...but if you prefer Splinter Cell, so help me God.....
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Arbiter for 2k5
Serious Reminder: Nominate Tifa Lockheart for 2k5, too

I have superb taste. This includes the dislike of MGS.

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“…Aerith. She was smiling to the end. We have to do something, or that smile will just freeze like that.”
Cloud Strife

what is there to dislike about mgs
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

I have superb taste. This includes the dislike of MGS.

Hello there, epitome of paradox.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=21648088

NOMINATIONS!
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Yoblazer killed me in the Guru Contest. Congrats!

Hurray!

*points to sig*
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

Guys, if you could spare a nominaton on Robotnik, please do. I want to see if his Spring performance holds up.
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"Half of what he said meant something else and the other half didn't mean anything at all."
HoratioQHornblower

I love the nomination round.

Your Nominations

Ness - EarthBound
Diablo - Diablo
Terra - Final Fantasy
Jim Raynor - StarCraft

Hmm... Who else?

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Spring Contest 2005 Score: 79/80, Rank: 20 (T1)
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

*notices no "Do not nominate Link, Cloud, or Sephiroth" in the rules*

No retirement, it would appear.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

Zidane - Final Fantasy IX
Lloyd Irving - Tales of Symphonia
Frog - Chrono Trigger
Aeris - Final Fantasy VII
Tommy Vercetti - Grand Theft Auto: Vice City
Mewtwo - Pokemon
Tifa - Final Fantasy VII
Kratos - God of War
Delita - Final Fantasy Tactics
Locke - Final Fantasy VI

10 nominations just is not enough.

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
YoBlazer(33) & Robotnik pwned my (Ro)butt in Sp2k5

MANNY.

CALAVERA.


~Shake
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Signature: 'NOOOOOooooOOOooO
yoblazer:'I have you now!' <- Guru Champion.

Terra - Final Fantasy VI
Leon Kennedy - Resident Evil
Kerrigan - Starcraft
Diablo - Diablo
Lloyd Irving - Tales of Symphonia
Princess Zelda - Legend of Zelda
Locke Cole - Final Fantasy VI
Kratos - Tales of Symphonia
Geno - Super Mario RPG
Vincent - Final Fantasy VII

I know I disobeyed my sig with Manny, but it was either Manny or drop Kratos or Lloyd. And I just couldnt deal with not helping those two get in the contest. Still Manny needs your love.
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NOMINATE Terra, Manny Calavera, and Leon S. Kennedy FOR SC2k5!

Citan Uzuki - Xenogears
Solid Snake - Metal Gear Solid
Grahf - Xenogears
Revolver Ocelot - Metal Gear Solid
The Boss - Metal Gear Solid
Big Boss - Metal Gear Solid
Crono - Chrono Trigger
Tifa - Final Fantasy VII
Vincent Valentine - Final Fantasy VII
Diablo - Diablo

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Beauty is in the eye of the beer-holder.

You're evil.

~Shake
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Signature: 'NOOOOOooooOOOooO
yoblazer:'I have you now!' <- Guru Champion.

Why do I have the sudden urge to nominate Carmen Sandiego?
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I don't know, but you shouldn't.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

Nominate. Manny.

~Shake
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Signature: 'NOOOOOooooOOOooO
yoblazer:'I have you now!' <- Guru Champion.

Yahoo! We're getting it, and it seems like NO ONE'S BANNED! Excellent.

Noms in teh sig, of course.
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SC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Link, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Bowser, Kerrigan, Yoshi

Getting what?

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Beauty is in the eye of the beer-holder.

The contest, of course.
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SC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Link, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Bowser, Kerrigan, Yoshi

I hope it's a 32 bracket. >,>

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Beauty is in the eye of the beer-holder.

Haha, of course not. 64 bracket, starts July 15. You heard it here.
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SC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Link, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Bowser, Kerrigan, Yoshi

I'm afraid to send in my nominations just yet, in case I realize that I forgot about someone who I want to nominate and find myself unable to put them in.

My hasty list:

Fox McCloud
Illidan Stormrage
Arthas
Tifa Lockheart
Crono
Diablo
Kerrigan
X
Zero
Zidane

I switched out Captain Falcon (and put in Illidan) as I don't think he has a chance of getting in with the cap.
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Think fast. Click faster.

Hopefully nominations will end around Thursday, so Conker will be a lock. Remember, Live and Reloaded comes out Tuesday. Which reminds me. All of you need to get Conker: Live and Reloaded if you have an Xbox.
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The yoblazer: He is so much better at the Guru Contest than you.
ZSB [aX]

What happened to nominating Vincent Valentine, people?!

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Beauty is in the eye of the beer-holder.

We're going to have a loser's bracket this year, folks. That is my bold prediction for Ceej's attempt to increase unpredictability.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

It'd suck if Conker got a high seed because he rided on the Tanner effect though.
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SC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Link, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Bowser, Kerrigan, Yoshi

I did, now nominate Terra
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NOMINATE Terra, Manny Calavera, and Leon S. Kennedy FOR SC2k5!

**** Vincent, we need Kerrigan!
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SC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Link, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Bowser, Kerrigan, Yoshi

We need Tifa, not Vincent!
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

Maybe he could get a 9 or a 10 and go against Gordon Freeman...

I can always dream.
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The yoblazer: He is so much better at the Guru Contest than you.
ZSB [aX]

**** Tifa, we need Kerrigan!
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SC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Link, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Bowser, Kerrigan, Yoshi

Why not both?

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Beauty is in the eye of the beer-holder.

Hey! I nominated Kerrigan, too! But Tifa is the new FFVII rep we need.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

* ****s Tifa AND Kerrigan*

Kinky... >_>;

*nominated both*
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yoblazer is my god. And your god. But mostly mine since I got PWND by his mad guru skills.
NOMINATE THE KING OF ALL COSMOS

I nominated Tifa and Vincent, **** Kerrigan!

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Beauty is in the eye of the beer-holder.

Vivi - Final Fantasy IX
Bowser - Mario Series
Sub Zero - Mortal Kombat Series
Chun Li - Street Fighter Series
Tifa Lockheart - Final Fantasy 7
Princess Peach - Mario Series
Zidane Tribal - Final Fantasy IX
Ryu Hayabusa - Ninja Gaiden

Hmmmm....

There's always someone I forget to nominate, so I'm gonna hold on to my last two in case someone pops up in my head. I almost forgot about Peach! I was thinking Diddy Kong, but I realize that the further we are away from Donkey Kong Country, the weaker he will be. At least DK stays fresh being in all of the spinoffs. And with DK Jungle Beat, he deserves to stay in it.

Vivi is there to save him from being capped out, ala Aeris. Although with nominations for Tifa and Zidane, SOMEBODY is bound not to make it unless Ceej raises the cap. Bowser is there strictly for seeding purposes and for the fact that he is one of my faves. Chun Li and Sub Zero are there for comparison to others in their series, and they will give tough matches if placed right. And Ryu is one of my faves that deserves another shot. Prince Ryu my ass...
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Slowflake, since I know you're trustworthy, I'll trade a Manny for a Kerrigan. >.>

Since you didn't nominate him on your own. You bastard.

~Shake
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Signature: 'NOOOOOooooOOOooO
yoblazer:'I have you now!' <- Guru Champion.

Ridley - Metroid
CATS - Zero Wing
Gordon Freeman - Half-Life
Scorpion - Mortal Kombat
Sarah Kerrigan - Starcraft
Revolver Ocelot - Metal Gear Solid
Duke Nukem - Duke Nukem
Jill Valentine - Resident Evil
Wario - Mario
Dan Hibiki - Street Fighter
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Jon Thomson - 70 points with a Sephiroth win.
I am to yoblazer as the Yankees are to the Red Sox. Inferior.

What, can't you count? I've got my 10 guys locked up.
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SC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Link, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Bowser, Kerrigan, Yoshi

**** Tifa, we need Kerrigan!

**** Kerrigan, we need Street Fighter Sakura! *rimshot*
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First you say "Whatever" then YOU LOSE! GOOD DAY SIR!
-http://sonicytmnd.ytmnd.com

Leon S. Kennedy - Resident Evil
Aganhim - Legend of Zelda
Arthas - Warcraft
Kerrigan - Starcraft
Auron - Final Fantasy
Ganondorf - Legend of Zelda
Zero - Megaman X
Vincent Valentine - Final Fantasy VII
Samus Aran - Metroid
Alucard - Castlevania

I forgot Raiden. T_T...
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Volgin is one sexy beast....

Let's see...What can we pretty much expect to see as far as seeds are concerned?

1) Link
1) Cloud Strife
3) Master Chief
4) Dante
5) Yoshi
6) Sora
9) Shadow the Hedgehog
16) CATS
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

Hmmmm, I've seen two people already in Fox and Terra... right now, they are my last two unless I see somebody else that I'm forgetting about. I'm not placing the last two in until nominations are about to end anyways.
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Your Nominations

Ness - EarthBound
Diablo - Diablo
Terra - Final Fantasy
Jim Raynor - StarCraft
Dr. Wily - Mega Man
Samus - Metroid
Laharl - Disgaea
Firebrand - Demon's Crest
Raine - Tales Of Symphonia
Sheena - Tales Of Symphonia

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Spring Contest 2005 Score: 79/80, Rank: 20 (T1)
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

Bowser will get in without you. Support Kerrigan, you fool.

~Shake
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Signature: 'NOOOOOooooOOOooO
yoblazer:'I have you now!' <- Guru Champion.

I wouldn't be surprised to see CATS as a non-joke (i.e. 14 or better) seed this year.
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Jon Thomson - 70 points with a Sephiroth win.
I am to yoblazer as the Yankees are to the Red Sox. Inferior.

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

From: Sir Crono | Posted: 6/18/2005 3:09:27 PM | #368
Let's see...What can we pretty much expect to see as far as seeds are concerned?

1) Link
1) Cloud Strife
3) Master Chief
4) Dante
5) Yoshi
6) Sora
9) Shadow the Hedgehog
16) CATS

Weird, Yoshi's the only one on that list to not have had the same seed in 2003 and 2004...
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SC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Link, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Bowser, Kerrigan, Yoshi

1. Samus.

Hopefully.

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Spring Contest 2005 Score: 79/80, Rank: 20 (T1)
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

And will Sephiroth FINALLY get a top seed where it counts?
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SC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Link, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Bowser, Kerrigan, Yoshi

Well, it's just gut instinct that Yoshi will have a 5. It'll either be a 4 or a 5 though. He's stuck there.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

Yoshi's more of a 6-7 kind of guy though.
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SC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Link, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Bowser, Kerrigan, Yoshi

Nah, I don't see him dropping a couple of slots this year. Then again, Bowser did, so who knows?
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

yay this topic is picking up to standard speed
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

Yeah, but CJayC offered him the worst kind of cannon fodder ever to compensate.

I swear, if Guybrush finds his way back, I'm going to be sick.
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SC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Link, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Bowser, Kerrigan, Yoshi

Might be worth making the next topic, as this one's going to fill quickly.
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Jon Thomson - 70 points with a Sephiroth win.
I am to yoblazer as the Yankees are to the Red Sox. Inferior.

From: Slowflake | Posted: 6/18/2005 12:15:10 PM | Message Detail | #101
Yeah, but CJayC offered him the worst kind of cannon fodder ever to compensate.

I swear, if Guybrush finds his way back, I'm going to be sick.


DIE

~Shake
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Signature: 'NOOOOOooooOOOooO
yoblazer:'I have you now!' <- Guru Champion.

Guybrush is quite possibly the greatest video game character ever conceived.
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Noms: Kerrigan, Leon, Lloyd, Ocelot, Lugi, Kefka, Magus, Frog, Terra, Kratos, and Guybrush Threepwood.

Bowser only dropped to set up the match witrh Mario.
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The yoblazer: He is so much better at the Guru Contest than you.
ZSB [aX]

I would be, too. I couldn't stand to see poor Guybrush lose again. Yeah, he's fodder, but he's likable fodder.
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Season 18 Team Match: Sephiroth, Rosa, Fiora, Luna vs. Virgil, Seed, Kyra, Rico. Only at www.rpgdl.com!

There is only one 'fodder' character I want to see, and that would be the King, obviously.
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yoblazer is my god. And your god. But mostly mine since I got PWND by his mad guru skills.
NOMINATE THE KING OF ALL COSMOS

****

Forgot Purple Tentacle.
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Jon Thomson - 70 points with a Sephiroth win.
I am to yoblazer as the Yankees are to the Red Sox. Inferior.

I WOULD be a fool if I supported Kerrigan <_<
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Alright! SC2K5 is coming soon.

*sees he has 10 noms open*

*runs before he is harassed*
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Moltar's Comics - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar (GAC)
Final Sp2K5 Score: 70 points. Yoblazer pwned me harder than Link in a match versus Tanner.

Characters who WON'T be back (and you can take this to the bank, folks!):
Luca Blight
JC Denton
Earthworm Jim
Protoman
Tanner
Duke Nukem
Kain
Sly Cooper
Terry Bogard
HK-47
Lara Croft

Fodder characters who WILL be back (much to our chagrin):
Ryo Hazuki
Crash Bandicoot
Sam Fisher
Ratchet
Viewtiful Joe (as a 6 or 7 seed, no less)
Jak

Characters who we may not see again:
Pac-Man
Guybrush Threepwood
Tidus
Max Payne
Frog
Laharl
Scorpion
Vivi Orunitia
Donkey Kong
Jill Valentine

My bold bracket prediction: Kirby and Bomberman will remain in the same four-pack this year, only facing each other in the first round instead.

DUN DUN DUN!
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

God, I hope Snake/Knuckles and Mario/Crono don't happen again, unless it's by a complete accident.
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The yoblazer: He is so much better at the Guru Contest than you.
ZSB [aX]

Oh, forgot one.

Characters who may return after a one year absence:
Fox McCloud
Aeris Gainsborough
Ken Masters
Wario
Yuna
Princess Zelda
Ramza Beoulve (just a gut feeling...)
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

Kirby-Bomberman would be an interesting match as far as obvious results go.
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Jon Thomson - 70 points with a Sephiroth win.
I am to yoblazer as the Yankees are to the Red Sox. Inferior.

Joke and Jak aren't exactly fodder... the guys they lost to have proven to be stronger than they were accounted for. They're lower-midpackers. But fodder? Nope.
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SC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Link, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Bowser, Kerrigan, Yoshi

I don't want to see ANY RESEMBLANCE of a Knuckles/Snake or Crono/Mario match.

No Peach/Marle, no Robotnik/Liquid... well I'd do Magus/Bowser...
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

what are the odds that carl johnson takes vercetti's place as the gta representative
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

Joke and Jak aren't exactly fodder... the guys they lost to have proven to be stronger than they were accounted for. They're lower-midpackers. But fodder? Nope.

I'm going to assume you meant "Joe" there. Well, they're barely above the Vyse fodder line, but close enough. They could win a match with a good draw.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

If there's only one GTA guy this year, 125%.
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SC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Link, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Bowser, Kerrigan, Yoshi

It's very possible Vercetti doesn't come back, but I still think he'll make it as a low seed (a 10 or 11, probably).
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

Carl will probably take his place. I can see Ceej sticking him in there, nominations or not. But I don't think he'll be as popular as Vercetti. It's just the way Gamefaqs is. Any hint of anything having to do with rap or gansta life gets spurned. People have actually said that they don't like Knuckles as much because they gave rap as his theme musics...

Even stepping outside of that, I think Tommy was more likeable as a character than Carl. People actually like the Mafia setting. And it has far more of a fantasy appeal. Not only did San Andreas take on a less appealing theme, but it was POORLY done to boot.
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I haven't submitted any yet, but here is my preliminary list (good chance it'll change):

Locke
Terra
Shadow (not the hedgehog)
Ultros
Diablo
Aeris
Dr. Robotnik
Tails
Ratchet
Jak

I'm not wasting any noms on characters I like that I know will get in (Mario, Link, Cloud, Sephiroth, Bowser, Samus, Sonic, Knuckles, Crono, Mega Man, Zero, and probably more I'm forgetting). I'm thinking about nominating Kerrigan, but only to see how badly she'd lose. I'm not a fan of her at all. Others I'm considering include Ganondorf, Zelda, Peach, Frog, Magus, and Dr. Wily (and maybe also Sub Zero, I think he'd do much better than Scorpion).
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Despite being in an 11-way tie for 4th in the Guru challenge, I got totally owned by Yoblazer.

i'm also wondering if lara croft will make any appearences at all this summer
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

Nah, Lara's gone. You can bet on it.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

I feel the need to post my nominations here.

Magus - Chrono Trigger
The King of all Cosmos - Katamari Damacy
Sarah Kerrigan - Starcraft
Shadow - Final Fantasy VI
Tifa Lockheart - Final Fantasy VII
Meta-Knight - Kirby series
Zeratul - Starcraft
Cecil Harvey - Final Fantasy IV
Dr. Robotnik - Sonic the Hedgehog
Wario - Wario Land
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yoblazer is my god. And your god. But mostly mine since I got PWND by his mad guru skills.
NOMINATE THE KING OF ALL COSMOS

If I had my way, any and all legendary fodder would get in, but as 15s and 16s.
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SC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Link, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Bowser, Kerrigan, Yoshi

people should nominate cats so that he doesn't end up as a 16 seed against cloud or link
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

CJayC will give him a different opponent this time... Sephiroth. And you can take that to the bank.

Now, for something totally random...

SERVE THE HIVE, FEEL THE GROOVE
I CONTROL THE WAY YOU MOVE
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SC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Link, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Bowser, Kerrigan, Yoshi

Mario and Sonic will be in the same division this summer! Solid Snake will NOT have a single opponent he has faced before!

More extremely bold predictions from yours truly.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

after some thought how is the FFX crew looking.stronger or weaker
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

Tidus is amazingly erratic, Auron always loses to fellow FF characters, PLUS we're not sure about the one he lost to last year, and FFX-2 influence makes Yuna a mystery.

I'm stumped.

Bold prediction: No FF10/Sonic encounter this time.
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SC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Link, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Bowser, Kerrigan, Yoshi

Bold prediction: Auron will be the 3 seed in Mario's division, in which Sonic will be the 2 seed.

Huzzah!
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

And done...

My noms

Ganondorf - Legend of Zelda ::: For Me <3
Shadow the Hedgehog - Sonic Adventure 2 ::: For Slow
Manny Calavera - Grim Fandango ::: For Shake
Lloyd Irving - Tales of Symphonia ::: For ToS
Nightmare - Soul Calibur ::: For badassness
Kirby - Kirby series ::: For ertyu
Revolver Ocelot - Metal Gear Solid ::: For hand-gesturing
Leon Kennedy - Resident Evil 4 ::: For more badassness
Yoshi - Super Mario series ::: For licking
James Sunderland - Silent Hill 2 ::: For Inviso

Magus - Chrono Trigger ::: For Ult-oh wait. Skip this.
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Moltar's Comics - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar (GAC)
Final Sp2K5 Score: 70 points. Yoblazer pwned me harder than Link in a match versus Tanner.

Either that or Ceej finds a way to put more of my favorite characters against each other, and we have Tidus/Knuckles.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

Shadow the Hedgehog - Sonic Adventure 2 ::: For Slow

...there are no words for what I want to do to you right now.
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SC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Link, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Bowser, Kerrigan, Yoshi

I love you too, Slow. =)
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Moltar's Comics - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar (GAC)
Final Sp2K5 Score: 70 points. Yoblazer pwned me harder than Link in a match versus Tanner.

James Sunderland is a character who deserves to be in this contest even though he would be fodder. He is easily one of the most well-made characters ever.
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NOMINATE Terra, Manny Calavera, and Leon S. Kennedy FOR SC2k5!

Nominate Vincent, dammit.

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“…Aerith. She was smiling to the end. We have to do something, or that smile will just freeze like that.”
Cloud Strife

I nominated Vincent, HM. Why didnt you nominate Terra?? WHY?!?
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NOMINATE Terra, Manny Calavera, and Leon S. Kennedy FOR SC2k5!

Characters who are most likely to get ripped off by bad seeding or bad bracket placement:

KNUCKLES THE ECHIDNA
Tidus
Ryu
Ganondorf
Shadow the Hedgehog
Kirby
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

Carl will probably take his place. I can see Ceej sticking him in there, nominations or not. But I don't think he'll be as popular as Vercetti. It's just the way Gamefaqs is. Any hint of anything having to do with rap or gansta life gets spurned.

I don't think that's just the way GameFAQs is, it seems like the internet in general has that opinion.
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Jon Thomson - Ridley, CATS, Gordon Freeman, Scorpion, Kerrigan, Ocelot, Duke Nukem, Jill Valentine, Wario, Dan Hibiki

Ganondorf
Shadow the Hedgehog
Kirby

Which is EXACTLY why I nommed them. I have to try and help keep them away from the 7-9 seed places.
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Moltar's Comics - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar (GAC)
Final Sp2K5 Score: 70 points. Yoblazer pwned me harder than Link in a match versus Tanner.

I nominated Vincent, HM. Why didnt you nominate Terra?? WHY?!?

I haven't nominated anyone yet. =p

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“…Aerith. She was smiling to the end. We have to do something, or that smile will just freeze like that.”
Cloud Strife

and you can use both accounts for big noms heh
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

Vincent - Final Fantasy 7
Aeris - Final Fantasy 7
Geno - Super Mario RPG
Serge - Crono Cross
Chun-li - Street Fighter 2
Raiden - Metal Gear Solid 2
Terra - Final Fantasy 6
Strider Hiryu - Strider
Vivi - Final Fantasy 9
Princess Peach - Mario Series

I try my hardest to game the system. Vivi may seem counter-productive to that effort to some, but I honestly believe he needs the noms to make it back thanks to the cap. For awhile I tried convincing myself I wouldn't mind if he sat one year out, but this is my second favorite FF character here, I'm not going to abandon him so easily.
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!

I am curious to see how long noms are held open, in addition to how long the prediction period is. July 1 is wishful thinking. I am thinking the first Monday that falls around the 15th makes sense.

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
YoBlazer(33) & Robotnik pwned my (Ro)butt in Sp2k5

Copy/pasting an early top 20 from the big noms topic. Aside from the obvious ones that'll pick up a lot of nominations anyway (CATS etc) and ones that have had a lot of organised support for a while (Kerrigan, Ocelot etc), there's a lot of early support for Terra and Kratos, fwiw.

Sarah Kerrigan 12
CATS 10
Lloyd Irving 10
Revolver Ocelot 10
Tifa 10
Kratos 9
Frog 8
Leon Kennedy 8
Gordon Freeman 7
Terra 7
Samus 7
Diablo 6
Manny Calavera 6
Yoshi 6
Meta-Knight 6
Bowser 5
Kefka 5
Magus 5
Ridley 5
15 tied on 4
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Jon Thomson - Ridley, CATS, Gordon Freeman, Scorpion, Kerrigan, Ocelot, Duke Nukem, Jill Valentine, Wario, Dan Hibiki

Damn, I was hoping geno would be getting some more support. It looks highly unlikely that he'll ever be making it in.
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Please sign this petition for a history board:
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=20119594

Mario - Super Mario Bros.
Bowser - Super Mario Bros.
Lloyd Irving - Tales of Symphonia
Kratos Aurion - Tales of Symphonia
Vivi Oruntia - Final Fantasy IX
Meta-Knight - Kirby Series
Diablo - Diablo
Samus - Metroid
Link - Legend of Zelda
Zidane Tribal - Final Fantasy IX

Like?
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Yoblazer did rather well in the guru contest.
Rather well, indeed.

*doesn't see Ulti around*

...I think I'll go ahead and make the next topic.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

Vincent Valentine - Final Fantasy VII
Sarah Kerrigan - StarCraft
Terra Branford - Final Fantasy III
Lloyd Irving - Tales of Symphonia
Kratos Aurion - Tales of Symphonia
Tifa Lockhart - Final Fantasy VII
Revolver Ocelot - Metal Gear Solid
Aeris Gainsborough - Final Fantasy VII

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Nominate Vincent Valentine for the Summer Contest 2005.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/contest/contest_nominate.php

That confirms my thoughts. If Kerrigan doesn't make it this year, she'll never make it.
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SC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Link, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Bowser, Kerrigan, Yoshi

*doesn't see Zelda on your list*

Change your mind about her already?
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

Here are mine.

Jon Irenicus - Baldur's Gate
Deckard Cain - Diablo
Kefka - Final Fantasy VI
Yoshimitsu - Soul Calibur
Psycho Mantis - Metal Gear Solid
Yoshi - Super Mario
Geno - Super Mario RPG
Old Man - The Legend of Zelda
Kirby - Kirby
Minsc - Baldur's Gate
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Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup.
Max 2 lines, 160 characters total

You know, we were hearing rumors about a change in the SC format. Do you think that one of those changes could be the elimination of the cap, and just taking the Top 64 nominated characters?
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Moltar's Comics - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar (GAC)
Final Sp2K5 Score: 70 points. Yoblazer pwned me harder than Link in a match versus Tanner.

Conker T. Squirrel - Conker's Bad Fur Day
Vivi Ornitier - Final Fantasy IX
Revolver Ocelot - Metal Gear Solid
Kerrigan - Starcraft
Lloyd Irving - Tales of Symphonia
Princess Zelda - Legend of Zelda
Terra Branford - Final Fantasy VI
Vyse the Legend - Skies of Arcadia
Kratos Aurion - Tales of Symphonia
Albedo - Xenosaga
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The yoblazer: He is so much better at the Guru Contest than you.
ZSB [aX]

Old Man - The Legend of Zelda

XD
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Jon Thomson - Ridley, CATS, Gordon Freeman, Scorpion, Kerrigan, Ocelot, Duke Nukem, Jill Valentine, Wario, Dan Hibiki

Change your mind about her already?

I'm not finished yet.

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Nominate Vincent Valentine for the Summer Contest 2005.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/contest/contest_nominate.php

so who's making the next stats topic this one is almost finished and i've seen no sign of ulti recently
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

"That confirms my thoughts. If Kerrigan doesn't make it this year, she'll never make it."

If we have a females contest next spring Kerrigan has a chance at making that, and a good performance there may get her into the summer. If there's not and she doens't make it this year then I agree, she'll never make it. It'd make me happy not to hear about her anymore, either way.
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!

I think she'd have at least a little more then just chance at making a females contest.
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Please sign this petition for a history board:
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=20119594

I dunno. At this point I'm thinking Kerrigan is 90% board support. Her best chance with the casuals was right after Starcraft's big run. The further away from that we get the lower her chances get. Then again, considering how shafted they've become it's har dto tell what the top 32 nomination getting females would be.
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!

Vincent Valentine - Final Fantasy VII
Sarah Kerrigan - StarCraft
Terra Branford - Final Fantasy III
Lloyd Irving - Tales of Symphonia
Kratos Aurion - Tales of Symphonia
Tifa Lockheart - Final Fantasy VII
Revolver Ocelot - Metal Gear Solid
Aeris Gainsborough - Final Fantasy VII
Princess Zelda - The Legend of Zelda
Serge - Chrono Cross

There we go.

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Nominate Vincent Valentine for the Summer Contest 2005.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/contest/contest_nominate.php

i am seeing a lack of support for peach even though some people think she can be at luigi's level
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

But in contrast, how much Luigi support have you seen?
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!

Kerrigan would not "have a chance" at a females contest. She would be in a females contest, unless CJay found another creative way to disqualify her.

90% board support? sure....
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Yoblazer > Kerrigan > Sp2005 > My sad, sad little 68 point bracket.

"90% board support? sure...."

And that didn't even exist until after sp2k4
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!

Are there links for the Xsts or the match pics from Spring 2005 yet?

~*ST*~
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*PWNED BY YOBLAZER in the Guru Contest*
Congrats, and hopefully you win the whole thing.

In the past two contests, I've noticed Ceej being hesitant to post nominations on the homepage. Is it possibly that he's giving more weight to what we nominate given that we're the only part of the site's that's still hardcore interested in these contests? It could explain why Revolver Ocelot, CATS, Kuja, Ridley, et al were given higher seeds than they normally would have otherwise this past contest... maybe.

~*ST*~
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*PWNED BY YOBLAZER in the Guru Contest*
Congrats, and hopefully you win the whole thing.

Is it possibly that he's giving more weight to what we nominate given that we're the only part of the site's that's still hardcore interested in these contests?

I don't know if we're the only part of the site that's still hardcore interested. Seph-Ganon comfortably broke 100K, so given the right match the general populace would be interested. Two possible thoughts:

1) He wants to get an early read off people in the know as to what might be interesting
2) He's, you know, just letting us in first for the hell of it
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Jon Thomson - Ridley, CATS, Gordon Freeman, Scorpion, Kerrigan, Ocelot, Duke Nukem, Jill Valentine, Wario, Dan Hibiki

Everyone needs to nominate Knuckles and Fawful to have fury!
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I don't want to say this, but yoblazer's making me for him pwning me in the Guru Contest! *grumble*

I'm starting to wish I had nominated Knuckles.

And Ramza.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

You...YOU...didn't nominate Knuckles?

What happened to you!??!
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I don't want to say this, but yoblazer's making me for him pwning me in the Guru Contest! *grumble*

I swear to God, I'm going to snap if I see the following fourpack:

(7)Joke Character
(10)Knuckles
(2)Solid Snake
(15)Joke Character

~*ST*~
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*PWNED BY YOBLAZER in the Guru Contest*
Congrats, and hopefully you win the whole thing.

If that happens, I propose a mass e-mail campaign in which CJay's inbox is flooded with hundreds of protest mails, including the quote, "You are the leading ******* in the state!"
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I don't want to say this, but yoblazer's making me for him pwning me in the Guru Contest! *grumble*

I didn't nominate Knux because my noms were tied up elsewhere, thanks to my contest which ended up taking up half of them.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

I'm giving Aeris and Zelda a nomination, as I don't want to see them snubbed again...I also nominated those 5 characters that won that "nomination contest" a while back. And then Wario and Strider because they appeared in past contests and I love 'em...

I'm having a tough time with my last nomination...I could nominate Diablo, as he did well in the Spring Contest. Or, I could nominate Terra or Chun-Li...heck, maybe Serge. Or, maybe Vivi or Frog will need some support, as people may be taking their appearances last year for granted.

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Yoblazer beat me in the Guru Challenge! Good job!

Or Knuckles.
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I don't want to say this, but yoblazer's making me for him pwning me in the Guru Contest! *grumble*

I just noticed the Board Title just now. Has it been confirmed that the contest will be a character contest?
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Guru yoblazer--Master Predictor, master of all

The nomination page is calling it the Great Character Battle, so yes.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

Thanks. I didn't see that thread even though it was stickied right at the top. Must be going blind.
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Guru yoblazer--Master Predictor, master of all

From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 6/18/2005 7:16:01 PM | #455
I swear to God, I'm going to snap if I see the following fourpack:

(7)Joke Character
(10)Knuckles
(2)Solid Snake
(15)Joke Character

~*ST*~

(7)Laharl
(10)Knuckles
(2)Solid Snake
(15)Alucard

>_>

*runs*
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The yoblazer: He is so much better at the Guru Contest than you.
ZSB [aX]

Snake would fall to the plan.
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yoblazer is my god. And your god. But mostly mine since I got PWND by his mad guru skills.
NOMINATE THE KING OF ALL COSMOS

Arbiter - Halo 2
Tifa Lockheart - Final Fantasy 7
Raiden - Metal Gear Solid 2
Kerrigan - Starcraft
Terra - Final Fantasy 3/6
Master Chief - Halo
Dr. Robotnik - Sonic the Hedgehog
Yoshimitsu - Soul Calibur/Tekken
Conker - Conker's Bad Fur Day

Leonhart, I said awhile back I'd nominate Revolver too, but since he's made a contest now, I've revoked my nomination for him. Kerrigan is solely because of Leonhart's tourney-thing awhile back. Raiden is inspired by Lopen, and he does deserve to return (moreso than Aeris, I'd argue). Conker owns, and will be havin' a new game any day now; gotta have him one more time. MC needs a 2-seed this year, dammit, especially if Clinkeroth is gone (CJAY could still take them out, whether he mentioned it on the nominations page or not)...

...which leaves me with one more nomination I can use. I'm currently debating between Master Hand (for the hell he raised in the Spring) and Fox McCloud (for being snubbed, screwed, and absent). Currently siding with the glove, though I may end up nominating Fox instead; who knows right now.....
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Arbiter for 2k5
Serious Reminder: Nominate Tifa Lockheart for 2k5, too

Amen to that.
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!

So then, Alucard for champ, anybody?
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!

The last thing we need is another character who performs worse than CATS. I'd like to see Fox return, just to see if we can get some definite grasp of his strength.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

Weaker than CATS, sure, but you can't help but respect the hell caused by MH. I mean, come on...it's Nintendo's "Oh yeah?" to Square's Squall/Luigi match in many aspects.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Arbiter for 2k5
Serious Reminder: Nominate Tifa Lockheart for 2k5, too

I can respect what Master Hand did in perspective. In a Summer Contest environment, I'd rather skip out on somebody who would end up as a 16 seed getting SFF'd 90/10 by Link, and that's being generous. At least we know Fox can do something.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

Ahem, 15-seed getting SFF'd by Samus 90/10, thank you very much...heh.

Seriously though, I think Imma nominate Fox since I already got Dr. Robotnik down.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Arbiter for 2k5
Serious Reminder: Nominate Tifa Lockheart for 2k5, too

15? No chance. Master Hand would be a 16 seed, if anything at all.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

'Twas optimistic sarcasm, my man.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Arbiter for 2k5
Serious Reminder: Nominate Tifa Lockheart for 2k5, too

I can't believe I forgot Zelda! =(

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
YoBlazer(33) & Robotnik pwned my (Ro)butt in Sp2k5

I thought about nominating Zelda, but then I realized Sheik >>>>>>>> Zelda and there's no way Sheik'd make it in.

Is there a topic that's adding up the nominations this time around?
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Arbiter for 2k5
Serious Reminder: Nominate Tifa Lockheart for 2k5, too

The lack of support for The King of all Cosmos is quite disturbing indeed.
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This sentence has five words. This sentence has eight words.
Exactly one sentence in this signature is true.

I'll admit to Laharl being a joke character, but not Alucard. Switch his seeding with Laharl's and you have a first round match that Knuckles may actually lose.

~*ST*~
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*PWNED BY YOBLAZER in the Guru Contest*
Congrats, and hopefully you win the whole thing.

Is it time to start the Guru list again?
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Arbiter for 2k5
Serious Reminder: Nominate Tifa Lockheart for 2k5, too

Switch his seeding with Laharl's and you have a first round match that Knuckles may actually lose.

Knuckles does not deserve to lose in the first round. Shadow on the other hand...
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I don't want to say this, but yoblazer's making me for him pwning me in the Guru Contest! *grumble*

Shadow on the other hand doesn't deserve to take up a spot in the tournament?
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Yoblazer just kicked my ass!

Is there a topic that's adding up the nominations this time around?

If there is, I want a link; I want to support a Fire Emblem character, but I want to avoid split nominations (and also don't want to nominate all 5 Lords). The impression I'm getting is that the impulse is towards either Ephraim or Lyn this time.
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Cats land on their feet. Toast lands peanut butter side down. A cat with toast strapped to its back will hover above the ground in a state of quantum indecision

This topic is tracking nominations. The top ranked FE nomination seems to be Lyn right now :
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=21648303
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Nominate Mewtwo and Lloyd Irving for GameFAQs Summer 2005 Contest!
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/contest/contest_nominate.php

I snubbed Ultros and Diablo for Frog and Zelda, making my final noms:

Terra Branford - Final Fantasy VI
Locke Cole - Final Fantasy VI
Shadow - Final Fantasy VI
Aeris Gainsborough - Final Fantasy VII
Frog - Chrono Trigger
Princess Zelda - The Legend of Zelda
Dr. Robotnik - Sonic the Hedgehog
Miles "Tails" Prower - Sonic the Hedgehog 2
Ratchet - Ratchet and Clank
Jak - Jak and Daxter

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Despite being in an 11-way tie for 4th in the Guru challenge, I got totally owned by Yoblazer.

I'll jumpstart this topic again with a lil' Fact Or Fiction:

1) FACT or FICTION: Frog will be back in the contest this year.
2) FACT or FICTION: Vivi will be back in the contest this year.
3) FACT or FICTION: Viewtiful Joe will be back in the contest this year.
4) FACT or FICTION: Knuckles will be set up to face Solid Snake in the second round.
5) FACT or FICTION: Mario will be set up to face Crono.
6) FACT or FICTION: Master Chief, assuming SFF in matches ahead of him doesn't happen, will be proven to be able to get 30+% on Link 2k4.
7) FACT or FICTION: Solid Snake will get to the Elite Eight and lose once again.
8) FACT or FICTION: CATS will be a 16-seed.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Arbiter for 2k5
Serious Reminder: Nominate Tifa Lockheart for 2k5, too

Yes, wheres the guru list?

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I'm going to be vomitting mud for months because Yoblazer dusted me so hard in the Spring Contest '05

I'll post rules and crap in the other topic.

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*PWNED BY YOBLAZER in the Guru Contest*
Congrats, and hopefully you win the whole thing.

1) FACT: Frog will be back in the contest this year.
***2) FICTION: Vivi will be back in the contest this year.
3) FACT: Viewtiful Joe will be back in the contest this year.
4) FICTION: Knuckles will be set up to face Solid Snake in the second round.
5) FICTION: Mario will be set up to face Crono.
6) FACT: Master Chief, assuming SFF in matches ahead of him doesn't happen, will be proven to be able to get 30+% on Link 2k4.
7) FACT: Solid Snake will get to the Elite Eight and lose once again.
8) FICTION: CATS will be a 16-seed.

*** - Depending on Company cap. If there is, then no.

And yes, I'm seeing bigger things for CATS this Contest.
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Final Sp2K5 Score: 70 points. Yoblazer pwned me harder than Link in a match versus Tanner.

Wow, a lot more support for Terra from the board than expected. Hopefully it can push her through.
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NOMINATE Terra, Manny Calavera, and Leon S. Kennedy FOR SC2k5!

I was just going to say that. I am absolutely delighted with the support for Terra. I hope she gets in.

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Spring Contest 2005 Score: 79/80, Rank: 20 (T1)
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

I wish I could say the same thing for Vincent...

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Nominate Vincent Valentine for the Summer Contest 2005.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/contest/contest_nominate.php

Wait...Ulti didn't make the topic?
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"She'll do anything for money." "No I won't." "I'll give ya ten bucks to rip Grif's arm off." "...Which one is Grif?"

Locke >>> Terra >> Vincent <<<<<< Tifa

Vincent never had a shot.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Arbiter for 2k5
Serious Reminder: Nominate Tifa Lockheart for 2k5, too

1) FACT: Frog will be back in the contest this year... or at least he better
2) FACT: Vivi will be back in the contest this year... or at least he better
3) FICTION: Viewtiful Joe will be back in the contest this year... losing pitifully to Tails means give me fresh blood
4) FACT: Knuckles will be set up to face Solid Snake in the second round... he will get a 6 or 11, and Snake a 3.
5) FICTION: Mario will be set up to face Crono... at least not before the Final Four
6) FICTION: Master Chief, assuming SFF in matches ahead of him doesn't happen, will be proven to be able to get 30+% on Link 2k4... though this stems more from my firm belief in the Solid **** factor
7) FICTION: Solid Snake will get to the Elite Eight and lose once again... the 3 seed will be the result of a stronger 2 in his half of the division
8) FICTION: CATS will be a 16-seed... I say he gets a 15 against Samus' 2

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
YoBlazer(33) & Robotnik pwned my (Ro)butt in Sp2k5

I think its going to come down to the company caps. If the caps are the same I can see Terra not making it and Tifa knocking another Square character out of it (probably Kefka or Vivi). If they are higher or taken out, I can see her getting in.
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NOMINATE Terra, Manny Calavera, and Leon S. Kennedy FOR SC2k5!

Slowflake or Leon usually make it when I'm not around come 400 or so, though really, I could care less who does it so long as it's a stats topic regular. I know it sounds elitist, but I don't exactly care.

Not like it'll ever matter, because really, how often are me, Leon, and Slow all offline at the same time long enough for that to happen?

~*ST*~
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*PWNED BY YOBLAZER in the Guru Contest*
Congrats, and hopefully you win the whole thing.

Vincent never had a shot.

Ha ha! It's incredible how Vincent is both better and stronger than every character you listed.

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Nominate Vincent Valentine for the Summer Contest 2005.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/contest/contest_nominate.php

To give my little bit at the end of this topic...


Cloud Strife for Summer 2005 Contest Champion!

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Nominate Vincent Valentine for the Summer Contest 2005.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/contest/contest_nominate.php

This topic really needed to be Carl JohnstOWNed.

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
YoBlazer(33) & Robotnik pwned my (Ro)butt in Sp2k5

Arbiter
Tifa Lockheart

Only commies don't nominate those two. Are you a communist?
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Arbiter for 2k5
Serious Reminder: Nominate Tifa Lockheart for 2k5, too

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=21654770

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Spring Contest 2005 Score: 79/80, Rank: 20 (T1)
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289