I'll agree with ya on how it'd be hard to not know Revolver (and is impossible as far as I know), but I could still see Revolver being forgotten about in MGS1. Regardless, I failed to mention one other character to compare with alongside Wesker and Ridley due to us discussing it alot before: Liquid. I think that trio covers most everything Revolver is...

...well, except Liquid isn't as prominent in the series as a whole as Revolver I figure, especially since I don't think Liquid CAN have a role in MGS3, unless somewhere he says "THROUGH THIS SPERM...I SHALL LIVE ON...".
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There is a very subtle reference to Liquid in the game, but it's hard to catch.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

MGS3 is supposed to be before Liquid/Solid were born though, correct?
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Yeah, it's a full decade before they were born.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

Leon is referring to "Light and dark breed within you", I assume. Great line, but the best quote in the entire series still belongs to Grey Fox.

We're not tools of the government or anyone else.

~*ST*~
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Congrats, and hopefully you win the whole thing.

We have a winner.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

If you combine two quotes, you get something truly legendary.

We're not tools of the government or anyone else. We're real men, with names.

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Congrats, and hopefully you win the whole thing.

Actually, he just says, "We're men, with names."
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

While we're speaking of MGS, does anybody think there'd be any other decent-performing characters from the series...WITHOUT Snake in their name? I'd guess Raiden (I know he's been in before, but he was SO screwed from the beginning), but other than that, nah...MAYBE Meryl or Otacon, but I assume both are pushing it. Colonel, even more so.
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There's Ocelot, of course. The Ninja & Psycho Mantis I've thought might be able to hold their own should they ever receive enough noms, though Liquid's recent collapse might put the kibosh on that. Maybe Sniper Wolf if she gets a decent picture (re: MAXIMUM CLEAVAGE-A-GOGO).

The Boss gets her fair share of support too, though how much of it would follow to contest success I couldn't truly say.

The problem with Raiden is unlike Ocelot and Liquid Snake, he wouldnt even have the full support of the MGS fanbase. Like it or not, MGS 2 is probably more disliked on a whole than Final Fantasy VIII and many less rabid fanboys.
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You know, MGS2 did place higher than MGS during the Spring Contest and finished in the Top 20.

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you only fight him once like Ridley (in some Metroid games; I can't say that as fact for all of them, I think)

You fight Ridley twice in Super Metroid, although the first one doesn't really count. It's more like the initial encounter with Meta Ridley in Prime.
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for some reason, SFF aside, i could still see Raiden doing pretty awful. every person i know that has played MGS2 (aside from those on this board) couldn't stand Raiden. that's no exaggeration, either. they all demanded more Snake and less Raiden. and it seems to me that the general opinion of the MGS2 fanbase was that they didn't like Raiden very much and were disappointed that they didn't get to stick with Snake. i don't see Raiden doing very well at all. he could probably do better than fodder-level (just for being from MGS) around the level of Jak and Conker, but that's about it.

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I don't like Raiden as much as Snake, but I'd still vote him over some characters.

He really probably wouldn't do that bad. The Raiden-haters might be vocal, but remember, the Tidus ones are too, and look how he turned out.
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Halo-haters too, while we're at it.
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You fight Ridley twice in Super Metroid, although the first one doesn't really count. It's more like the initial encounter with Meta Ridley in Prime.

Yeah, I didn't wanna assume that for a complete fact though since I never finished SM.
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Does anyone have an archive of the match pictures from this past contest?

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I thought about it, but with people like TRE out there, I figured I was only wasting hard-drive space...

...let's hope I was right. Until then, I'm off for work.
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*hopes this works*

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17 handhelds Nintendo has taken down 1 more to go (see quote for rest)

He really probably wouldn't do that bad. The Raiden-haters might be vocal, but remember, the Tidus ones are too, and look how he turned out.

Well, the thing is with Tidus and Halo, you at least see fans of theirs despite the haters. You don't see many Raiden fans at all.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

Well I aint been around much of late...away on business...so an apology to all my fans who love reading my column!

Rest assured it will be back with a vengeance this summer, and will include more Board 8 and contest theory bashing, as requested by many :)

As for summer noms, I must implore you all to nominate Palmer, the only FFVII baddie worth a nomination...

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This is kind of late, but there is another Liquid Snake reference in MGS3. In the final boss battle there are three snakes you can catch called Liquid, Solid, and I believe Solidus. They heal you fully.

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Wow. Yoblazer so thoroughly raped me in the guru contest, I'm gonna feel it for exactly two weeks.

Oh right, forgot about those snakes.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

The thing I mostly see from Raiden fans/non haters out there is, "he's not as good as Solid Snake, but he's okay/still good". And it seems that Raiden hate has apparently gone down somewhat. Hold that match again (please no) and I bet Raiden would just avoid getting quadrupled.

Anyway, my point was it would make sense that he would be SFFed by quite a bit. Not so much because he has no merits, but simply because the #1 reason he's hated is because he isn't Solid Snake.

I think Raiden is the exact same situation as Tidus. Leonhart claims that there are more Tidus fans out there... I wouldn't be so sure of that. Not by such a large degree that the idea of Raiden actually doing decently is out of the question. Liquid and Revolver Ocelot really don't have the "full support" of the MGS fanbase either, so that's kind of a moot point anyway.
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http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=21155016

Nah, Raiden would still get quadrupled. Even if the hate has toned down, he's still not Solid Snake, and that will always be his problem.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

I'm calling Kratos/Jill contrived because we have previously discussed Kratos and decided that he's basically the next Ryu Hayabusa. Jill doesn't need to go up agaisnt shakey-ass could be anywhere characters first round two years in a row. She's already a ? enough to put her up against an established character slightly higher than her and pull off a fair upset.

"I'm sure Chichiri would call it contrived, but I disagree with him most of the places where he says that."

Actually I'm fine with the possibility of Tifa vs. Zelda. I hold little relation between Tifa and Aeris and fully expect them to be quite independant of eachother.
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So having a match between two question marks is a bad thing because...?
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

It's unnecessary.
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It's unnecessary because it's hard to predict?
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Terra, Serge, Zidane, Revolver Ocelot, Tifa Lockheart, Kerrigan, Leon Kennedy, Lloyd Irving

It's unnecessary because it isn't any harder to predict than one established character and one unknown. Look at Kefka/Diablo to see what i mean on this. When you have one known character and an unknown you still don't have statistical data to predict it, and therefore you you have as difficult to gauge of a match as you would with two unknowns (especially since Jill is a minor unknown).

If you put those "Wild Cards" who have some weird bad luck and can't be accurately place, See Ness vs. Bowser and Ness vs. Jak for what I mean, in a match with an unknown does it get any harder to predict? Not really, I think we'd all (except myself and those who think like me) would have taken someone stronger than Ness in the 2k3 stats (Let's say Crash), even if they were actually weaker (now known thanks to the 2k4 stats). I think Crash/Ness would have had about the same prediction % as Jak/Ness, and that's how little difference there likly is between a match with a new character vs. an impossible to accurately judge character and an old character vs. the same character.
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I have the match pics archived and will be putting them up at some indeterminate point.
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I dont care where MGS 2 ranked. If you believe MGS 2 > MGS in the eyes of most Metal Gear fans, then you are crazy. They worship the ground that MGS walks on (MGS 3 is almost the same way). The average public might not think anything bad about MGS 2, but the Metal Gear fanbase would probably pick anyone over him from MGS.

Also the Tidus hate is greatly overstated. I always thought Squall had more of a anti-Squall base than Tidus. Even someone like me who isnt the biggest fan of FFX characters, doesnt have a big problem with Tidus and Auron. Its Yuna, Wakka, Lulu, and all the villians.
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Uh him is Raiden in the previous post.
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wow. this is the longest amount of time i've seen in a long time without there being a post in this topic, lol. almost 8 hours? we've had entire topics fill up that quickly, heh.

so, by pure speculation, what would anyone think of Ceej holding a Worst Character Ever Battle? i actually think that might be kinda fun and would be very tough to predict. Tingle all the way!!!!

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After seeing how atrocious the vote totals were in the villains contest, Ceej would be out of his mind to hold a worst character ever contest.
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Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

I only want to see one if Sephiroth wins.

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Yoblazer: I'm about three things: kicking ass; taking names; and winning GameFAQs contests.

5 posts the entire time I was at work. Slow down guys, I can't keep up.
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We can't do a worst character contest because the worst characters are probably ones that no one in this topic have heard of plus in the end it'll still be Cloud vs. Link.
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17 handhelds Nintendo has taken down 1 more to go (see quote for rest)

That wouldn't work. It would be full of characters nobody had ever heard of, causing the vote totals to be even more attrocious.

I'm thinking that a (possibly) good idea might be to have a Best Female Character Contest. It solves the problem of not having a Clinkeroth champion, but then again Samus would be a lock for the winner. Still, it could be interesting, since there are a good number of female characters that would perform well, methinks. 32 characters should suffice, and even then there will still be lots of worthless fodder (like there were in this contest). It could include

Samus
Jill
Aeris
Tifa
Terra
Celes
Chun-Li
Rydia
Peach
Zelda/Sheik
Yuna
Tidus (just kidding)
Some pokémon (Jigglypuff maybe?)

Ok, I'm a little biased towards FF games, and I also didn't include characters from games I'm unfamiliar with, because, well, I don't really know who those characters are =). Feel free to add to this list.
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I want another game contest personally.
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I actually made a female contest bracket, 32 characters, while this last one was going slow (early on). Didn't get much attention. Oh, and Jigglypuff isn't specifically female, the only pokemon that are female only are Chansey/Blissy, Nidoran F/Nidorina/Nidoqueen and Miltank IIRC.
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And Illumuse, who'd probably end up weaker than Tanner.
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Here's my first attempt at making a females bracket...

Spira Division

1. Yuna
8. Aika

4. Dizzy
5. Sheena Fujibayashi

3. Chun-Li
6. Marle

2. Claire Redfield
7. Aya Brea

Tallon IV Division

1. Samus Aran
8. Cammy

4. Kasumi
5. Rouge the Bat

3. Celes Chere
6. Lyndis

2. Jill Valentine
7. Ms. Pac-Man

Esper Division

1. Terra Branford
8. Amy Rose

4. Joanna Dark
5. Lara Croft

3. Princess Peach
6. Rikku

2. The Boss
7. Sarah Kerrigan (>_>)

SPOILERS Division

1. Aeris Gainsborough
8. Paula

4. Roll
5. Krystal

3. Tifa Lockheart
6. Dixie Kong

2. Princess Zelda
7. Trish
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It's no 128 Marios (which is reaching a Duke Nukem Forever-like state of vaporware zen)

Hmmmm..
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Here's what I'd pick

1. Yuna
(no idea, never heard of either)
3. Chun-Li
(no idea, never heard of either until Sc2k2, and I'm too lazy to go look at the stats, which are messed up and out of date anyways)

1. Samus Aran
(no idea)
3. Celes Chere
2. Jill Valentine

1. Terra Branford
5. Lara Croft
3. Princess Peach
7. Sarah Kerrigan (who's The Boss?)

1. Aeris Gainsborough (LOL at division name)
(no idea, I know Roll isn't popular, but I don't know why Krystal is)
3. Tifa Lockheart (poor dixie, she might be able to win if put up against the right opponent)
2. Princess Zelda


Yuna
Chun-Li

Samus
Celes

Terra
Peach

Aeris
Zelda


Yuna
Samus
Terra
Aeris


Samus
Terra


Samus
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Damn you people and your love of making SOA lose early >_>


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Spira Division

1. Yuna
8. Aika

After missing out on 2k4 and showing no signs of returning 2k5 I can't see Yuna taking a 1 seed. Plus there are too many FF girls as 1s... even if they got the noms to deserve it I doubt ceej would allow it becuase he'd get called on "favortism". Anywho, Yuna makes it to the division finals easily, not for her strength but for lack of everyone else's in the division.

4. Dizzy
5. Sheena Fujibayashi

I haven't played ToS, but from what I understand Collette is more of a central character. For that reason I don't think Sheena makes it. the match can go either way, at least...

3. Chun-Li
6. Marle

Marle seems too low. She could be a real house in an all females bracket, but I see Chun-li winning this should be second round match and meeting (and even beating) Yuna in the division Finals.

2. Claire Redfield
7. Aya Brea

Both were of note 3 years ago, now neither of them can even make it back in. All female field or not, Claire does not take a 2 seed (and doesn't perform up to snuff either, falling way short of her old %). I think Aya has more staying power (RPG fanatics are less likely to give up on their favorites) and barely scrapes out this match of contest has-beens.

Tallon IV Division

1. Samus Aran
8. Cammy

Cammy deserves a better seed as should could win a match, and would do better on Samus than her round 2 opponent.

4. Kasumi
5. Rouge the Bat

After seeing Robotnik I'm thinking Kasumi wins this easily.

3. Celes Chere
6. Lyndis

Celes win an easy battle while the board is flooded with "Who is Lyndis?" topics. Of course, with all the FF girls in I'm not sure a 32-woman bracket can handle two FF6 chicks...

2. Jill Valentine
7. Ms. Pac-Man

Fairly realistic seeding, I do say. Must applaud you on this, even if I don't see Ms. Pac-Man as having a snowball's chance of making it (As per a very low seed being "realistic"). Jill wins easily, of course, then gets beaten in rd 2 agains she who loses in rd 3 (Celes).

Esper Division

1. Terra Branford
8. Amy Rose

Flat out stomping. I game Amy an 8 seed as well, though IIRC I gave Terra a 2. Terra could take the division, and only has a few possible contenders to deal with.

4. Joanna Dark
5. Lara Croft

Lara could actually win this match by a fair bit... if it happened before PD0 released. I can't see that happening though, so Lara loses to someone who will likely still lose to Terra (We've seen what non-Halo Xbox heroes can do in Ryu H, and at this point you can't convince me that she'd get fair support from the N64 crowd due to PD's loss in sp2k4)

3. Princess Peach
6. Rikku

Could go either way, but I'd give it to Peach, on of the contenders for the division.

2. The Boss
7. Sarah Kerrigan (>_>)

*sniff sniff* I smell setup. Kerrigan in the Diablo possition (And Terra in the Kefka possition)? Hmm. I do sense a rd. one upset but unless Kerrigan really does = Diablo I see that as the end. Oh, and - points for such an obviou parallel.

SPOILERS Division

1. Aeris Gainsborough
8. Paula

A flat out stomping. Aeris rolls through the division and doesn't stop rolling 'til the finals.

4. Roll
5. Krystal

Both are hated to some degree, and I think only one could actually make the contest. Roll wins then gets stomped flatter than Sigma against Aeris.

3. Tifa Lockheart
6. Dixie Kong

Tifa easily, FF7 heroines to do battle?

2. Princess Zelda
7. Trish

Round 1. Boring. Round 2? Possibly the hardest match of the contest to predict. Thankfully Rd 3 falls to Aeris in a close match no matter which of these ladies make it.

Final Four:
Samus beats Chun-li, Aeris beats Terra, and Samus takes the crown.