Kerrigan is a weak woman. Diablo is the devil. That is enough reason for her to be nowhere near Diablo.

---
In memory of my true love, Mandi Barton...the one that got away.

There is nothing even remotely "insane" about thinking Kerrigan or Arthas could be stronger than Diablo.

Kerrigan? Extremely debatable. I'd take Diablo over her without thinking twice, though an upset wouldn't be COMPLETELY out of the question? Arthas? Not a chance. He would NEVER beat Diablo.

---
"LucidFaia" Score: 63, Rank: 22 (T1), Pick: Sephiroth
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

I was wondering if I could get a few supportive members to help me drum up support to unite behind a single FFVI protagonist. I figure if we can actually get Terra, Celes, or Locke in the contest by only nominating one of them, that they would be stronger than Kefka which automatically justifies such a nomination.
---
Yoblazer made me look like Tanner in the Guru Contest.

Terra would probably have the best shot out of the FF3/6j heroes, being the main character and all.

---
"LucidFaia" Score: 63, Rank: 22 (T1), Pick: Sephiroth
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

Kerrigan is a weak woman. Diablo is the devil. That is enough reason for her to be nowhere near Diablo.

Kerrigan is not only the Queen ***** of the Universe, but also happens to be the strongest entity within StarCraft after Brood War. ;)

Kerrigan? Extremely debatable. I'd take Diablo over her without thinking twice, though an upset wouldn't be COMPLETELY out of the question? Arthas? Not a chance. He would NEVER beat Diablo.

I would take Kerrigan over Diablo and be confident in my pick. She's got more going for her than Diablo does for him. And I would have to think about Arthas and Diablo, but would most likely lean toward Diablo.

---
Yoblazer: I'm about three things: kicking ass; taking names; and winning GameFAQs contests.

Nah. Kefka is as strong as it gets for FF6. Celes is great, but less popular, a lot of people didn't like Locke, and Terra....well, maybe Terra.


I think that the strongest FF character to not be in a contest yet would be Vincent, maybe Cid. I think they could beat Aeris (it would be pathetic if they could not) for the 3rd strongest FF character. I'd like to see how Laguna or Seifer would do, myself.

---
In memory of my true love, Mandi Barton...the one that got away.

Yeah, I was personally thinking Terra. I mean the problem with Kerrigan is there is a shot that she is weaker than Diablo and who knows how much. I think its all but guarnteed that Terra will be stronger than Kefka.
---
Yoblazer made me look like Tanner in the Guru Contest.

I'll say it again... Kerrigan would be little more than fodder.
---
Current Match Prediction -- Sephiroth vs. Ganondorf
Spring 2005 Contest -- 63/64 points

Nah. Kefka is as strong as it gets for FF6

I am 99% confident that Terra would be stronger.
---
Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

"It has something to do with the games not being called "Kerrigan" and "Arthas" and the single-player being cared about less than the multi-player ... There will be no convincing this of you, because you are unconvinible.

I am not HM but you are not convincing with that flawed logic. Some facts to consider:

-2:37 AM eastern timezone right now, almost 70K people are logged on bnet for StarCraft Broodwars just on USA East server. Translation, way more than all Diablo and their expansion sets put together. This is a critical factor. Farmore people play StarCraft 7 years after it's release than all Diablo games combined at any given time of the day/month/year. Diablo has never ever topped StarCraft in terms of users online, even during Diablo 2's initial launch period.

-Arthas has been on Bnet ad for over a year, not just to WarCraft players but to all blizzard online games. He's face is on the frozen throne cover just as Diablo is on his games, but the difference is you can actually notice what Arthas look like when your passing by computer games aisle. Kerrigan is easily more recognizable with her infamous "green skin" portrait(everyone who plays blizzard games has seen this as well as it is the cover of all StarCraft games in production today) is far more recognizable than Diablo's.

-StarCraft and Warcraft likely shares big portions of their fanbase. Most StarCraft players have played at least WarCraft 3, and vice versa. Head to head, this group would obliterate Diablo fans.

-As for Kerrigan vs Arthas, I'd go with Kerrigan based on her longevity(old > new in general), Gamefaqs voting preference(this is an assumption that Starcraft > Warcraft 3 here), and number of SC players and fansites that tops the ones for WarCraft 3.
---
not smurf

HM, I am not saying that characters with their name being in the game's title>All. I am saying that it helps recognition, and thus in this environment contest strength, from where the identical character in the identical game with a different name would be. If Diablo was named "Joey Patel," but nothing else changed, most notably the game still being called 'Diablo,' Joey Patel would not have taken the ruin division. In fact, Joey Patel might not have even beaten Kefka (definitely wouldn't have beaten Bison, and I think probably would have still beaten Ridley). My stance is that Diablo having his name as the title garners votes that he otherwise would not get, solely from the character--->game relation. A bunch of these villains suffered from having casuals not know what game they were from, something Diablo did not suffer from in the least.

---
RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
YoBlazer(33) & Robotnik pwned my (Ro)butt in Sp2k5

I'd take Terra to outperform Kefka in a heartbeat. It's not a debate for me at all. The problem is getting Terra into the contest in the first place. If she can actually get seeded, then I'm confident that she would do well, and better than Kefka.

---
"LucidFaia" Score: 63, Rank: 22 (T1), Pick: Sephiroth
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

Another thing; story plays a larger role in Diablo than it does in SC. SC single player was mediocre at best...my memory probably isnt perfect, but don't you have to bring Kerrigan on an escort mission? Bleh.

---
In memory of my true love, Mandi Barton...the one that got away.

Exactly and thats where Im trying to come in. Starting tommorow its going to be my personal goal to get her in this contest.

Sorry Manny, but you get squashed anyway despite how cool you are.
---
Yoblazer made me look like Tanner in the Guru Contest.

Goku, either your memory isn't very good or you are just biased. The story of StarCraft is no worse than Diablo's, and Kerrigan has the bigger role.
---
not smurf

1. The story in Diablo is apparent even in multiplayer. He's obviously the most well-known boss in the game. His Chaos Sanctuary is a great place to grind experience points, and it's virtually impossible to play the game without knowing who Diablo is, and most players will actually run into him.

2. Don't underestimate how many StarCraft players played the single player mode. I would imagine more people played Single Player than didn't.

---
"LucidFaia" Score: 63, Rank: 22 (T1), Pick: Sephiroth
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

I will certainly be nominating Terra. Maybe Celes as well, and probably Kefka, too. You can never have too many FFVI characters.
---
Congratulations to yoblazer for winning the Sp2k5 Guru Contest!

Diablo's matches were so close that it could have affected the outcome in a few of them, if his name were not in the title. I'm not saying it isn't a factor, just as you aren't saying it is the sole factor. But I do believe it plays a significantly lesser role than some people like to think. If Diablo lose matches because of him not being in the title, it dealt with his overall appearance and game time. Kerrigan and Arthas do not suffer in the least when it comes to their appearance, prominence, and being there all the time. Diablo certainly isn't obselete, but he isn't nearly as "active" or get the on screen time that Kerrigan and Arthas would gather.

It is not stretch at all to believe that Kerrigan and potentially Arthas could beat Diablo in a direct poll or even in indirect strength. I have no idea why some people think this is crazy. Diablo has one advantage over the other two, that's about the extent of his pros against them. And I don't believe in the title making up that much of a characters strength.

---
Yoblazer: I'm about three things: kicking ass; taking names; and winning GameFAQs contests.

You can never have too many FFVI characters.

Unless one of them is Umaro or Gau.
---
Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

I just find it depressing only two FFVI have made it to a contest and once is an annoying octopus.
---
Yoblazer made me look like Tanner in the Guru Contest.

It IS a stretch to think that Arthas could beat Diablo. A ridiculous one at that.

And there's nothing wrong with Gau.

---
"LucidFaia" Score: 63, Rank: 22 (T1), Pick: Sephiroth
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

I'm not sure about Terra. Sure, one could make the case that she's the main character, but how many Terra fans do you actually see out there? And in the World of Ruin she's not so much the main character at all anymore.

I think Locke, Celes, Edgar, Sabin and maybe Shadow would all do better than her.
---
He needs nominations, 61! Nominate Raiden (Metal Gear Solid 2) for SC2K5!
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=21155016

Mr. Thou! Mr. Thou!
---
I am so nominating Gau.

That is rather disheartening to see Ultros is a contest before everybody's favorite thief...

---
RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
YoBlazer(33) & Robotnik pwned my (Ro)butt in Sp2k5

how many Terra fans do you actually see out there?

*raises hand*

---
"LucidFaia" Score: 63, Rank: 22 (T1), Pick: Sephiroth
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

I'm not saying SC has a bad story. I'm saying

1. SC doesn't push Kerrigan as hard so Diablo does...eh, Diablo.

2. SC story is not a factor in multiplayer, while Diablo's is.



---
In memory of my true love, Mandi Barton...the one that got away.

I'm not sure about Terra. Sure, one could make the case that she's the main character, but how many Terra fans do you actually see out there?

Apparently you haven't visited a place with a lot of FFVI fans.
---
Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

Another thing; story plays a larger role in Diablo than it does in SC. SC single player was mediocre at best...my memory probably isnt perfect, but don't you have to bring Kerrigan on an escort mission? Bleh.

I certainly disagree with that. StarCraft's single player gameplay is how about it is in most RTS single player games. It doesn't require too much strategy in order to actually win against the PC. But the storyline is one of the greatest I've ever seen in a game; if not the best storyline. Diablo's single player campaign is the exact same as the multiplayer only with actual people to go along with. I wouldn't even begin to say that Diablo's story is bigger than that of StarCraft... or WarCraft.

---
Yoblazer: I'm about three things: kicking ass; taking names; and winning GameFAQs contests.

The fact that the one video game character who is an absolute pimp hasnt made the contest yet disturbs me too.

But Locke's quest must be sacrificed for the overall good of the Final Fantasy VI nature.
---
Yoblazer made me look like Tanner in the Guru Contest.

Oooh CATS, how I hope you take this poll and run.

...and where the hell is Bowser in this!?!

---
RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
YoBlazer(33) & Robotnik pwned my (Ro)butt in Sp2k5

Sadly I have to side with the Diablo crowd on this one. One reason, and one reason only. Diablo's ever present in the multiplayer mode of Diablo, whereas Kerrigan and Arthas are not.

But I'm not so sure if Kerrigan would do noticeably better than Arthas. I think this board overplays the difference in the popularity of Starcraft and Warcraft 3.
---
He needs nominations, 61! Nominate Raiden (Metal Gear Solid 2) for SC2K5!
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=21155016

<3 Ceej for the new poll.

Spring Contest 2k5 Extrapolated Standings!
1 . Sephiroth 50.00 %
2 . Ganondorf 41.83 %
3 . Bowser 40.45 %
4 . Diablo 29.06 %
5 . Revolver Ocelot 27.51 %
6 . M. Bison 27.38 %
7 . Kefka 26.68 %
8 . Dr. Wily 25.03 %
9 . Nemesis 24.95 %
10 . Ridley 24.61 %
11 . Liquid Snake 24.08 %
12 . Ansem 21.38 %
13 . Lavos 21.37 %
14 . Vergil 21.19 %
15 . CATS 19.66 %
16 . Dr. Robotnik 19.53 %
17 . Mithos 19.22 %
18 . Sin 19.01 %
19 . Mother Brain 18.90 %
20 . Ultros 18.01 %
21 . Albedo 17.28 %
22 . Sigma 16.72 %
23 . Ramirez 16.34 %
24 . Master Hand 15.82 %
25 . Wesker 15.81 %
26 . Andross 15.55 %
27 . Ghaleon 15.07 %
28 . Kuja 14.63 %
29 . Pyramid Head 13.04 %
30 . Luca Blight 12.73 %
31 . Giygas 12.40 %
32 . Officer Tenpenny 9.84 %

---
Congratulations to yoblazer for winning the Sp2k5 Guru Contest!

The average score of participants in the contest was 55.0146.

It IS a stretch to think that Arthas could beat Diablo. A ridiculous one at that.

Why is it a stretch to believe Arthas could beat Diablo? He and Kerrigan share a lot of similarities. WarCraft is also a very popular game, just like StarCraft and Diablo.

1. SC doesn't push Kerrigan as hard so Diablo does...eh, Diablo.

Kerrigan is the primary focus of Brood War. Everyone is after her. She's pretty much screwed over someone in some way or another. She is a big focus in the game's storyline.

2. SC story is not a factor in multiplayer, while Diablo's is.

This will help, but as long as people have played through StarCraft's single player campaign there isn't going to be a problem. And to think that a large number of people have never touched it at some point is ridiculous.

---
Yoblazer: I'm about three things: kicking ass; taking names; and winning GameFAQs contests.

This contest is over. Check out the new poll.

---
"LucidFaia" Score: 63, Rank: 22 (T1), Pick: Sephiroth
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

"But the storyline is one of the greatest I've ever seen in a game; if not the best storyline."

::spits out soup::

Grim Fandango, Baldur's Gate I and II, Knights of the old Republic, Myst, and Im only sticking with PC games, would like to have a word with you.
---
Yoblazer made me look like Tanner in the Guru Contest.

Another thing; story plays a larger role in Diablo than it does in SC. SC single player was mediocre at best...my memory probably isnt perfect, but don't you have to bring Kerrigan on an escort mission? Bleh.

You make baby Jesus cry.
---
Honorary Spring 2005 Winner - Kerrigan.

Based on that, Ganon would beat Bowser with 51.64%. Heh. <3

---
Yoblazer: I'm about three things: kicking ass; taking names; and winning GameFAQs contests.

No way, Ganondorf was much worse

I had to vote for Ganondorf just based on the awkward wording of that option.

76.51% had Sephy winning it all.
---
Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

Apparently you haven't visited a place with a lot of FFVI fans.

I guess not, but I've noticed more support for the other characters I listed in the places I have visited in the past. And I think Celes is probably just as much the main character as Terra is. (and the others sans Shadow wouldn't be too far behind)
---
He needs nominations, 61! Nominate Raiden (Metal Gear Solid 2) for SC2K5!
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=21155016

Score-Brackets-% Right
64-----0--------0.0000000
63-----26-------92.3076923
62-----17-------100.0000000
61-----79-------97.4683544
60-----95-------93.6842105
59-----131------94.6564885
58-----163------93.8650307
57-----247------92.7125506
56-----358------94.6927374
55-----498------93.7751004
54-----768------95.1822917
53-----954------92.0335430
52-----1187-----91.8281382
51-----1331-----92.4117205
50-----1415-----90.1766784
49-----1315-----90.1140684
48-----1244-----87.8617363
47-----1033-----88.1897386
46-----1012-----84.9802372
45-----854------83.4894614
44-----818------82.7628362
43-----787------80.3049555
42-----848------80.1886792
41-----751------77.2303595
40-----790------75.1898734
39-----779------74.7111682
38-----700------73.5714286
37-----650------74.4615385
36-----618------69.4174757
35-----586------68.6006826
34-----557------68.0430880
33-----493------68.7626775
32-----414------60.8695652
31-----373------59.5174263
30-----377------54.9071618
29-----300------54.6666667
28-----235------40.0000000
27-----192------37.5000000
26-----196------29.5918367
25-----159------28.9308176
24-----139------11.5107914
23-----152------7.2368421
22-----129------5.4263566
21-----127------3.1496063
20-----79-------2.5316456

Anybody with a score of 19 or lower got the match wrong.

The last three people to fall off the Top 50 are giomantis, shorty0321890 and PhilanthropyX.

---
I got decimated by yoblazer33 in the Spring 2k5 Guru contest! Congrats to yoblazer33 for a job well done!

And I think Celes is probably just as much the main character as Terra is. (and the others sans Shadow wouldn't be too far behind)

Only Celes can really compete for the title of "main character" with Terra.
---
Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

I can't argue anymore, my loathing for RTS games will blind me :p

---
In memory of my true love, Mandi Barton...the one that got away.

I did not make it onto the top 50... =(

Freakin' Kuja screwed me over... TO THE MAX.

---
RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
YoBlazer(33) & Robotnik pwned my (Ro)butt in Sp2k5

Finished at #20. Now it comes down to tiebreakers.

---
Spring Contest 2005 Score: 79/80, Rank: 20 (T1)
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

Oh yeah, I'm not saying that any of the others can compete for the title of "main character". What I am saying that in FF6 the title of "main character" is nearly token and that the other characters listed play just about as much a part in the story as Terra and Celes do.

But they don't have the "main character" feel to them.
---
He needs nominations, 61! Nominate Raiden (Metal Gear Solid 2) for SC2K5!
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=21155016

I am also highly disappointed at the lack of a Bowser option on that poll.
---
Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

tag
---
SC2K5 chars: Kerrigan, Raynor, Tassadar (Instant win), Geno, Ness, Zeratul

Bowser was robbed.
---
Yoblazer > Kerrigan > Sp2005 > My sad, sad little 68 point bracket.

I really don't feel like getting into a debate right now, but I'll state my opinion quickly.

Celes is not the main character of Final Fantasy 3/6j, nor is any other character not named Terra Branford. Terra's story dominates the World Of Balance. Celes' journey to find her friends is the focus for the opening half of the World Of Ruin, but once you get more characters (Setzer, Edgar, etc.), then the focus is less on her and more on the party as a whole. Terra is the only character who will make an appearance at the end of the game even if she is not in the party when you fight Kefka. She's also the character that confronts Kefka directly, while everyone else just kind of gathers around her.

---
Spring Contest 2005 Score: 79/80, Rank: 20 (T1)
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289