And he could pimp slap you something fierce with those... er, hand things.
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Beacause this guy are a puppet off course!

He's not talking about how good Ganondorf is in that game because he's not that good. He's fun to play as, I suppose, though I prefer Captain Falcon to him in everything except for the Warlock Punch.

Indeed, he is very fun to play as. And his taunt is also the best in the game; by far the most useful. It's incredibly awesome when you dodge a fully charged charge beam from Samus using nothing more than the power of the taunt.

his taunt is also the best in the game; by far the most useful.

You forgot Luigi's kick and Kirby's "Hiiiii!"
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Yuna: Stay with me until the end. Please.
Tidus: Not until the end. Always.

So, how long will Ganondorf be ahead of Sephiroth during the finals?

Bowser was toe-to-toe with Sephy for 45 minutes...
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-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

He'll never lead.
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I'm amazed at how many people want to throw the stats from this contest out the window completely. Are some people voting differently because it's a villain contest? Undoubtedly. Does that mean these stats are worthless? No way! It's ridiculous how much trouble people have accepting when a match doesn't conform to our expectations - even when those expectations are based on the results of a single match that happened two years ago. To me this match mainly suggests that Sephiroth's popularity has fallen a little, Bowser's has increased a little, and that results aren't perfectly transitive. I mean, if our best extrapolated numbers (Bowser 2k3 and Seph 2k4) were 100% accurrate, Sephiroth should only be winning with 63.48%... a 5% swing is not that big of an anomoly.
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Yeah, but when we've gotten contradictory results throughout this entire contest, I see no reason to rely on these stats. Bowser shouldn't be doing 15% better than Liquid when they were so close before.
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Tidus: Not until the end. Always.

Sephiroth's percentage in the last hour: 59.48%
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I couldn't have said it better; a small sample size (in most cases, 1) will lead to wildly inaccurate results. to call one result correct and another incorrect with a year of time inbetween is pretty ignorant, if you ask me. each contest has a life of its own and the x-stats are there as a rough, rough, rough estimate of strength. one result that's "out-of-character" can mess up an entire division, such as Robotnik getting served by Ganon.

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i will admit that i am a bit surprised about how well Bowser is doing today. man. GO BOWSER!!!

however, i still think it's entirely possible that Bowser didn't perform as well against Cloud as he could have because of that god-awful 8-bit picture he had. here let me remind you of what he looked like again:

http://www.sc2k4.com/frog/images/sc2k3_pics/t_sum03b51.jpg

simply awful. it's a bit of a stretch, seeing how Bowser should be pretty well known, but that pic makes it pretty hard to get casuals to care about him. remember - Bowser didn't get SFF'd nearly as badly as Ganondorf did last year. so, i think that the awful picture from 2K3 that his x-stat value is based on, plus a shift in the voter pool towards Nintendo could have very possibly accounted for his huge improvement.


I'd have taken Bowser over Ganon in a direct match before today, I'm not changing my mind on that, even if this has been the most screwed up contest yet.

ditto. i was virtually the only guy here who took Bowser over Yoshi and i've always been vocal about taking Bowser over Ganondorf, too.


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This match is now ahead of Sephiroth/Liquid's pace for most votes in the contest.
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Tidus: Not until the end. Always.

oh, and since everyone else posted them, my favorite villains in this contest are:

Kefka > Bowser > Ultros > Sephiroth > Ghaleon > Giygas > Luca Blight > Dr. Wily

everyone else i am either indifferent towards or can't stand.

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I'd have taken Bowser over Ganon in a direct match before today, I'm not changing my mind on that, even if this has been the most screwed up contest yet.

ditto. i was virtually the only guy here who took Bowser over Yoshi and i've always been vocal about taking Bowser over Ganondorf, too.

I would've always taken Ganondorf over Bowser, and I still would. Why do I still insist upon it? I figure the most convincing evidence I came up with is that Bowser got 78% against Sigma, while Ganondorf got 77% against Robotnik.

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I took Bowser over Yoshi.

I took Magus over Ganondorf.

And Yuna over Knuckles.

And Mega Man over Snake (which was apparently a big upset.)

I also took Cloud over Link and had him going on to win the contest.

All without ever entering these discussion topics. But, due to all the people hyping up Kefka and some saying that he would demolish Crono, I had him going to the finals. No joke. The friggin' final match.

Final score: 153 points.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Err...whoops.

That should say Knuckles over Yuna.

But anyway, outside of my little mishap with Kefka, I did very well: the other matches I got wrong were Squall vs. Jill (and thus, Squall vs. Luigi), Felix vs. Master Chief, Gordon vs. Max (it's true >_>), Pikachu vs. Fox (go ahead, laugh), and Wario vs. Shadow.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Even if you had Kefka losing to Mega Man I think you could've made the top 50 at the end...

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

I bombed so badly in SC2K3 it's not even funny: 96 Points (let's just say I had Pac-Man over Kefka and Crono and leave it at that).

Rebounded though after studying a bit more and got 156 in SC2K4.
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Contest Stats: 43/48 Next Winner: Sephiroth

I figure the most convincing evidence I came up with is that Bowser got 78% against Sigma, while Ganondorf got 77% against Robotnik.

And Robotnik's performance was worse than what CATS would've been expected to do. What's your point? Bowser's performance puts Sigma well above the level of CATS.
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Yuna: Stay with me until the end. Please.
Tidus: Not until the end. Always.

"it's a bit of a stretch, seeing how Bowser should be pretty well known, but that pic makes it pretty hard to get casuals to care about him."

A stretch? It's flippin ridiculous. I'd believe CATS having his strength increased by such a % based on pics but Bowser? Hit me in the head with a rock for a few hours, please, it's the only way I'm going to be thinking on that sort of level and I just don't want to be left out.
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The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing over half of the brackets that Ridley could win. - Harrich

What really pissed me off was that I only missed three matches last year (VJ vs. Tails, Sora vs. Ryu, Mario vs. Crono) and didn't even get on the Top 50.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

You think it makes no sense for Sigma to be under CATS, yet you think it's okay that Robotnik is, making an entire 4-pack look like crud? You think Andross would beat Kuja and Master Hand handilly? I'm afraid CATS is throwing your reasoning off a whole lot. CATS was underestimated, plain and simple.

Add to that in the past, Alucard did better agianst Ganondorf than Yoshi did against Bowser. Yoshi got 66% against Conker, and Alucard got 64% against Bomberman. It's clear that Alucard was the better opponent, so unless something went wrong in any of those matches, or Alucard took a significant drop in popularity, Ganondorf most likely beaten Bowser.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

You think it makes no sense for Sigma to be under CATS, yet you think it's okay that Robotnik is, making an entire 4-pack look like crud?

I never said that. I just think it's a bit ridiculous to say that it's "evidence" for Ganondorf to be stronger than Bowser when Robotnik looks weaker than CATS.
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If Robotnik and 3 Nintendo/Square guys under him can lose to CATS, couldn't you believe Sigma could, as well?

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Add to that in the past, Alucard did better agianst Ganondorf than Yoshi did against Bowser.

No, he didn't. Ganondorf got 57.16% on Alucard. Bowser got 56.34% on Yoshi.
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If Robotnik and 3 Nintendo/Square guys under him can lose to CATS, couldn't you believe Sigma could, as well?

Once again, that's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying that's pretty flimsy evidence for Ganondorf > Bowser.
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No, he didn't. Ganondorf got 57.16% on Alucard. Bowser got 56.34% on Yoshi.

Ugh, I meant to say that Ganondorf did better against Alucard than Bowser did against Yoshi. And Alucard's the tougher opponent.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

I dunno about that. I for one personally find it difficult that Kirby would beat Yoshi. Perhaps that's just me, but I don't see it.
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Yuna: Stay with me until the end. Please.
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Once again, that's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying that's pretty flimsy evidence for Ganondorf > Bowser.

And what you have in favor over Bowser > Ganondorf? (CATS > Robotnik? That doesn't sound any less flimsy to me.)

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Once again, I'm not saying that Bowser > Ganondorf for certain. It's more of a hunch than anything. I was just saying that there are better things to base evidence on than Robotnik and Sigma, especially considering how screwy this contest has been.
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Fun with numbers: WTF Edition:

XS on Sephiroth:
Sephiroth 50.00
Bowser 41.13
Revolver Ocelot 27.98
Dr. Wily 25.45
Nemesis 25.37
Liquid Snake 24.08
Lavos 21.37
Vergil 21.19
Mother Brain 18.90
Ultros 18.31
Sigma 17.00
Ramirez 16.34
Andross 15.82
Ghaleon 15.07
Pyramid Head 13.26
Officer Tenpenny 9.84


XS on 2k3 Link if Seph = 2k3 Seph:
Sephiroth 49.71
Bowser 40.89
Revolver Ocelot 27.81
Dr. Wily 25.31
Nemesis 25.22
Liquid Snake 23.94
Lavos 21.25
Vergil 21.07
Mother Brain 18.79
Ultros 18.20
Sigma 16.90
Ramirez 16.25
Andross 15.72
Ghaleon 14.98
Pyramid Head 13.18
Officer Tenpenny 9.79

XS on 2k3 Link if Seph = 2k4 Seph:
Sephiroth 46.56
Bowser 38.30
Revolver Ocelot 26.05
Dr. Wily 23.7
Nemesis 23.62
Liquid Snake 22.42
Lavos 19.90
Vergil 19.73
Mother Brain 17.6
Ultros 17.05
Sigma 15.83
Ramirez 15.22
Andross 14.73
Ghaleon 14.03
Pyramid Head 12.35
Officer Tenpenny 9.17

XS on 2k3 Link if Bowser = 2k3 Bowser:
Sephiroth 37.63
Bowser 30.97
Revolver Ocelot 21.07
Dr. Wily 19.17
Nemesis 19.1
Liquid Snake 18.12
Lavos 16.09
Vergil 15.95
Mother Brain 14.22
Ultros 13.79
Sigma 12.80
Ramirez 12.30
Andross 11.91
Ghaleon 11.34
Pyramid Head 9.98
Officer Tenpenny 7.41

I'm not going to bother posting Liquid's; suffice to say that Bowser > Clink. And I have no idea what to make of this.
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If you go to him, he will destroy you. And your last moments will be of shadow and pain.

...The Xstats this contest are going to look like the unadjusted 2k4 stats, I can feel it.
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It might, but we won't see CATS > Ganondorf
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Well, there really is very little to argue for Ganondorf's strength using Sp2K5 except for his match against Robotnik...we'll see what happens when he faces Diablo. I could ramble on forever about how Ganondorf wasn't too overrated in the past using SC2K3 and SC2K4, but I won't go on with all of that...

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Hey, RPGuy, would you mind averaging Bowser and Sephiroth out and doing the extrapolated stats from there?

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Hey, RPGuy, would you mind averaging Bowser and Sephiroth out and doing the extrapolated stats from there?

No problem.

XS on 2k3 Link if half of today's result is Bowser growing and half is Seph falling:
Sephiroth 42.11
Bowser 34.64
Revolver Ocelot 23.56
Dr. Wily 21.44
Nemesis 21.37
Liquid Snake 20.28
Lavos 18.00
Vergil 17.85
Mother Brain 15.92
Ultros 15.42
Sigma 14.32
Ramirez 13.76
Andross 13.32
Ghaleon 12.69
Pyramid Head 11.17
Officer Tenpenny 8.29

Samus > Sephiroth, Bowser >= Ganondorf.
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If you go to him, he will destroy you. And your last moments will be of shadow and pain.

The Xstats this contest are going to look like the unadjusted 2k4 stats, I can feel it.

If anything, this contest suggests we may have overadjusted the 2k4 stats. But I think what we really should realize by now is that no stats are perfect and nothing stays constant. Every contest so far has brought a few big surprises and big changes in the stats. People need to stop acting like the 2k3 numbers are the "true" stats - they're not.
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Congrats to yoblazer, the Guru contest winner!

At this point, Bowser is still slightly above what Mario would be expected to get on 2004 Sephiroth. We're already well over 80,000 votes (82243 at the 18:20 mark). For the record, Sephiroth/Liquid had 77578 votes at this same time, and it finished with 91676 votes. We're going to come close to 95,000 with this one, methinks.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

He'll never lead.

Hah! Gold right there.

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Tomorrow's match can be anywhere from Ganondorf with 44.46% to Ganondorf with 64.34% or anything inbetween.
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... I just got on (friend's house) and I was stunned by two things. First, by how well Bowser is doing and second, by Heroic Mario having a Kerrigan quote as his signature.

What is the world coming to? O_o
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I think Bowser has been underrated in his past placements (always against Nintendo characters with no room to really shine)

Cloud doubled Bowser in 2k3, you know...

What really pissed me off was that I only missed three matches last year (VJ vs. Tails, Sora vs. Ryu, Mario vs. Crono) and didn't even get on the Top 50.

Switch VJ/Tails with Tidus/Shadow, and you have my story.


2k3 was a fun lil' contest for me; here's all the matches I missed...
-Squall/Jill
-Zero/Scorpion
-Wario/Shadow (on my birthday, no less)
-Yuna/Knuckles
-Ganon/Magus
-Squall/Luigi
-Bowser/Yoshi
-Aeris/MC
-Ryu/Dante
-Mario/Crono
-Cloud/Sonic
-Link/Cloud
-Cloud/Sephirtoh
...believe I finished with 118/192. Man, did that suck, heh.


Bowser > Wily = Robotnik > Sephiroth > Ganon > Bison...the rest, eh, I like some and dislike some, but am generally impartial.
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Villains?

Ghaleon > Kefka > Bowser > Wily > Ultros > Ocelot > Wesker > Ganondorf > Liquid > the rest.
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Sephiroth's percentage in the last hour: 61.46%
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heh, in 2K3, i only missed:

Wario/Shadow
Knuckles/Yuna
Alucard/Kirby
Squall/Luigi
Link/Cloud

heh, i was right behind Slowflake on the Top 50, and would've finished in the Top 50 and most likely the Top 20 or possibly the Top 10, had Link pulled it out. *sigh*

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I'm gonna keep on 'til I get an answer or two on this: who would you take between Ultros and Kuja?
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I would take Kuja, but if you cannot tell by now, I am a biased Kuja fanboy.

Sephy makin' a run for 60% as well. Nice voter turnout. Perhaps we will see 100k before it is all done.

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I know this is probably worthless considering how the last few matches have defied all normal contest stats, but here's what Ganondorf should get based on various factors:

Ganondorf (2004) vs. Diablo [20XX adjusted Kefka] - 64.32%

Ganondorf (2004) vs. Diablo [unadjusted Kefka] - 67.42%

Ganondorf [static CATS] vs. Diablo [20XX adjusted Kefka] - 56.42%

Ganondorf [static CATS] vs. Diablo [unadjusted Kefka] - 60.20%
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Ruin/Triforce Division: Final Four - Match 30 – (7)Diablo vs. (1)Ganondorf

Moltar’s Analysis

Diablo - Reign of terror has ended.
Round 1 – vs. Ridley (Diablo: 57.65% - Ridley: 42.35%)
Round 2 – vs. M. Bison (Diablo: 52.88% - M. Bison: 47.12%)
Round 3 – vs. Kefka (Diablo: 54.09% - Kefka: 45.91%)

Diablo takes his division in a close match with Kefka.

Ganondorf - My name is Ganondorf... And I am the master of Forsaken Fortress.
Round 1 – vs. Giygas (Ganondorf: 84.98% - Giygas: 15.02%)
Round 2 – vs. Ansem (Ganondorf: 74.44% - Ansem: 25.56%)
Round 3 – vs. Dr. Robotnik (Ganondorf: 76.64% - Robotnik: 23.36%)

Ganondorf blows Robotnik away with a stunning performance.

Poor Diablo. Before this match, he was looking to maybe get 40-45% on Ganondorf easily, but now it seems that Ganon is stronger than he looks. We all know who Dr. Robotnik is, and Ganondorf managed to blow him away like he was uber-fodder. Diablo, on the other hand, is only a little stronger than Kefka, which isn’t that strong. I mean, it’s good for this Contest, but not as impressive compared to the Summer Contest characters. At least Diablo had a good run…

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Ganondorf will win

Moltar’s Prediction is: Diablo 35% - Ganondorf 65%



Ulti’s Analysis

As I type this, Ganon currently has 76.6% of the vote on Robotnik. This is a beating that has made Robotnik look weaker than even CATS, and Ganon is NOT going to falter against Diablo. Diablo will do somewhat well, but he won't even come close to winning this thing. Ganon was a pre-contest lock for the finals.

Ganon with 63.33%



Soul’s Analysis

We're down to our second last match. Diablo, the upset demon from hell taking on Ganondorf, the blow-out pig from Gerudo. My God, does this match look good on paper or what? King of Blow-Out victories taking on the King of Upset victories. God, if this match didn't involve the second strongest villain, this could actually be very close.

Sadly, it does involve the second strongest villain though. After we saw Diablo defeat Kefka, we could say he is around Alucard's level, or just a few points off of it. Last year, in the Summer Contest, we saw what happened with Ganondorf/Alucard. Ganondorf defeated him with over 57%. Well, betting high for Diablo has payed off so far, so I'll do it again. I believe that Diablo will surprise us all. No, I'm not talking about a victory for the Lord of Terror. I'm going with a smaller surprise, something like over-performing on Ganondorf. So, I'm thinking Ganon will win with 54% of the vote. Low, indeed, but I think the Blizzard vote can pull through.



Outback’s Analysis

The King of Thieves can still steal this contest.

We all saw what Ganon did to Robotnik. An absolute < i>PASTING.< /i> Can Ganon do the same to Diablo? Probably not, but this match will not be in question at all.

Ganon 66.67, Diablo 33.33



Inviso’s Analysis

Ah…if matches go how most people expect them to, then I will have a bracket with only 4 points off. Pity my other one had Wesker making it to Kefka’s spot, and Ridley making it to where Diablo now stands. Anyway, Bowser recently did a damn good job standing up to the power of Sephiroth, and as the XStats say (who really cares about them after the Liquid/Sephy match) Ganondorf if stronger than Bowser. Diablo may have been able to beat some strong competitors to get this far, but Ganondorf is an actual challenge. I doubt that all the BNet and diabloii.net support in the world could save the devil now.

Side note, with Bowser finally eliminated, I know longer physically want one of the characters to be eliminated. Diablo, Ganondorf, and Sephiroth are all awesome in my book.

My Prediction: Ganondorf with 64.29%

my heart says Kuja, but I think Ultros would win that just because more people have played his game.

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Well I almost got Robotnik's 4-pack under control, but there are a few unanswered questions, which should be answered over the next 2 days.
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