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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 136
From: dragoontheguy | Posted: 5/30/2005 5:47:27 AM | Message Detail
Uh... no, no it hasn't.

Yes it has, a few examples to come to mind iclude:
- Tina Armstrong beating Gordan Freeman
- Starcraft beating windwaker
- Gordan Freeman being one of the weakest characters in the contest
- Did I mention how dissapointed most people were with Gordan Freeman?
- Cloud winning 2k3 surprised more people then you could possibly know.


Kuja may be incredibly weak,but nobody expected him to be a powerhouse, even if this makes him look ridiculously weaker then first anticipated.
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From: dragoontheguy | Posted: 5/30/2005 5:49:17 AM | Message Detail
vivi is probably the strongest character in his game by a margin similar to mega man and protoman.

Eh, I tend to think that Zidane wouldn't be complete fodder. Unlike Kuja he was in the game from the very start, so anybody who's played it even briefly knows who he is.
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From: dragoontheguy | Posted: 5/30/2005 5:56:01 AM | Message Detail
6. Kuja shared the "villain" spotlight with too many other people in his own game. The focus was more on Brahne in the early part of the game and on Garland in the later portions. Heck, he's not even the final boss.

I think you're onto something there. Nobody who only played the first disc of the game knows who the hell kuja is. He isn't even a prominent figure until much later in the second disc (near the very end of it).
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From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 5/30/2005 5:58:45 AM | Message Detail
I prefer to think that this is the result of a CATS increase rather than a flop by Kuja. Although there's not much reason for him to increase over the past year, there have been crazy increases/decreases before. And thinking about it, CATS should be stronger than he appeared in previous contests...how many characters get to be on the cover of freakin' Time Magazine?
From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 5/30/2005 5:59:40 AM | Message Detail
6. Kuja shared the "villain" spotlight with too many other people in his own game. The focus was more on Brahne in the early part of the game and on Garland in the later portions. Heck, he's not even the final boss.

I think you're onto something there. Nobody who only played the first disc of the game knows who the hell kuja is. He isn't even a prominent figure until much later in the second disc (near the very end of it).


But Ansem suffers from this far more than Kuja does.
From: dragoontheguy | Posted: 5/30/2005 6:03:25 AM | Message Detail
I prefer to think that this is the result of a CATS increase rather than a flop by Kuja. Although there's not much reason for him to increase over the past year, there have been crazy increases/decreases before. And thinking about it, CATS should be stronger than he appeared in previous contests...how many characters get to be on the cover of freakin' Time Magazine?

But CATS wasn't in that four pack. This puts kuja below sc2k4 CATS, making him weaker then well...a crapload of other people.
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From: voltch | Posted: 5/30/2005 6:03:47 AM | Message Detail
but ansem was against cats and although he got stronger a lot of people voted against him just so he would lose again. and why is diablo such a bracket killer?
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From: armitage999 | Posted: 5/30/2005 6:04:46 AM | Message Detail
7. People don't consider Kuja to be "badass" enough. Nor is he cult or "faddish" (like Ultros or CATS).

I'd say CATS looks more badass than Kuja does, on top of being cult and faddish. It's just the lousy sprite picture he has. I'm sure someone out there could come up with a more awesome looking sprite than that purple blotch he's had representing him in the last couple of contests. There's just a not a lot of pictures out there besides that one head shot. Again, someone can make some pretty good fan art of him if necessary.
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From: dragoontheguy | Posted: 5/30/2005 6:05:53 AM | Message Detail
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From: dragoontheguy | Posted: 5/30/2005 6:08:10 AM | Message Detail
But Ansem suffers from this far more than Kuja does.

And look where that got him: struggling with CATS. Why would he be able to counter this better then kuja? My only real guesses are that KH outsold FFIX by a lot (I think), and KH is a on this gen of consoles.

Does anyone know if Ansem made an appearance in that KH game on gba?
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From: voltch | Posted: 5/30/2005 6:13:39 AM | Message Detail
still kuja is weaker than most people thought anyone else apart from wesker and sigma that proved significantly weaker than expected
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From: transience | Posted: 5/30/2005 6:16:36 AM | Message Detail
my opinion: if Kuja took on CATS, Kuja would win, probably by the same margin that Ansem did. in a contest where one character isn't that well-known, people will vote for CATS because they simply haven't heard of the other guy. plus, there are some people who would vote CATS over every other character in this contest; I don't think you can treat CATS like you do everyone else.

as for Kuja vs. Ansem, I think that's a tossup. I'd go with Kuja, though my love of ff9 may be blinding me there. plus, as we all know, KH is schizophrenic.

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From: Rodri316 | Posted: 5/30/2005 6:17:57 AM | Message Detail
Kuja would beat CATS with about 60%.
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From: transience | Posted: 5/30/2005 6:18:49 AM | Message Detail
oh, and I'd take Kuja over Andross without thinking about it - I'm thinking Andross' doing well vs. Sigma was more a sign of Sigma's weakness than anything else. I'd definitely take (and did) Sin over Kuja, though.

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From: Explicit Content | Posted: 5/30/2005 6:40:41 AM | Message Detail
HO-LY ****-ing ****.

No perfects? NO PERFECTS?!?!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh god... this owns so hard.

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From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 5/30/2005 6:44:28 AM | Message Detail
And I've always wondered about this; what makes close matches more susceptible to anomalies?

There's no definitive proof, but it's something we all know is there. I think it has to do with the fact that characters truly aren't as close as close matches would make it seem, and close matches usually feature massive amounts of vote-rallying; then, when the winner or one or two close matches faces a real threat, the rallying cry dies. I think Tidus would be a decent example of this.

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From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 5/30/2005 6:50:03 AM | Message Detail
Both of my brackets are in the top fifty? XD

I had both my brackets in the top 50 in Spring 2004 for a little while. Funny stuff.

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From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 5/30/2005 6:52:50 AM | Message Detail
Seymour is in your way from the moment you meet him, and you fight him four times (one of which is about as memorable of a fight in the FF series, if only for difficulty).

The four fights with Seymour are all easy, except for maybe the first one.

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From: The n00b Avenger | Posted: 5/30/2005 6:55:24 AM | Message Detail
Well, among the common player, Seymour's 3rd form gives some of the most trouble from a boss in the game. Even if it's "easy."

He's got some kick-ass boss music in the last fight too.
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From: Phediuk | Posted: 5/30/2005 6:59:28 AM | Message Detail
What the hell happened here?

Almost a tripling? That does not make Kuja look good.
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From: Explicit Content | Posted: 5/30/2005 7:02:24 AM | Message Detail
Just for the record, does anyone know what the lowest prediction percentage for a match is?

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From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 5/30/2005 7:04:11 AM | Message Detail
Seymour Flux? Whenever I fight him, I always have a turn between Zombie and Full Life. I don't get why others don't, to be honest.

And call me crazy, but I think CATS's pic may have made a large difference for him.

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From: Slowflake | Posted: 5/30/2005 7:05:32 AM | Message Detail
Cloud. 2003 champion. Hands down. 6.04%.
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 5/30/2005 7:05:59 AM | Message Detail
...I was expecting Robotnik to be up around 27.5% by the time I woke up this morning, then continuously grow from there for the day-vote and finish close to 30%. Apparently, I was wrong; come on, Robo.
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From: Phediuk | Posted: 5/30/2005 7:09:01 AM | Message Detail
I just I should also say that it delights me to see any Sonic character getting his or her ass kicked, because Sonic's games suck and his fanboys are some of the most annoying and stupid I've ever encountered.
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From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 5/30/2005 7:10:14 AM | Message Detail
Not all of his games suck, but you're right with every other part of that post.

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From: Haste2 | Posted: 5/30/2005 7:12:28 AM | Message Detail
I missed almost all of Kefka/Diablo...aw, too bad Diablo caught up and won. (I only quickly came online to change my prediction for Robotnik/GDorf, which ended up paying off)

Now, to get caught up with things...first of all, I'd never ever take M. Bison over Ken. I'm almost certain Ken's match against Sonic was inaccurate, and...dare I say it, Ken's WDF-adjusted value is much more accurate. It's a risk calling something factor-adjusted more accurate, but yes, I believe that. I think Ken would be at least as high as Luigi, even this year.

Now, for today's match...Ganondorf's surprising me. I'm guessing that Ganondorf's 2K3 value was indeed accurate, and that he'll end up very close to that, if he doesn't exceed that value. We saw Link go up in popularity, so why wouldn't Ganondorf? Of course, the only problem remaining is CATS, but I'm betting that CATS is heck of a lot more popular than we were originally anticipating. Now, that leaves Ansem...couldn't he be decently popular? Sora's strength just screams all sorts of wrong, so we could've been underestimating Ansem. So, the only thing left that gets me if that Kuja's ranking is just awful. Well, I just say forget him. =P

FYI, if Bowser = 30.97% on 2K3 Link, and Robotnik = Wily, if Ganondorf ends up with 74%, Ganondorf is estimated to receive 36.85% against 2K3 Link.

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From: Haste2 | Posted: 5/30/2005 7:13:37 AM | Message Detail
Minus SFF, of course.

I have more stuff to post:

Another thing I'm thought about again is that maybe Kefka's picture DID make a significant impact...after all, Kefka lost the dayvote big-time against Mithos and Diablo, but not at all against Wesker. Of course, one argument against that is we could say Wesker's very weak with the dayvote, too, but keep in mind that Wesker didn't lose the dayvote against Luca Blight. Luca Blight didn't get any dayvote against Magus, however, and CT tends to lose the dayvote some, if I'm not mistaken...in any case, I think Kefka did get some benefit with his pic. Kefka lost 5% between 2 hours in and the 24 hours when he faced Mithos, and he lost about 6% when facing Diablo. I wouldn't be surprised if Kefka would've lost 4% in the last 22 hours in the poll against Wesker if he had his lettuce or FMV pic. Let's pretend Kefka would've lost just that.

So, to do the calculations..

Kefka - 50%
Wesker - 33.63%
Luca Blight - 27.08%

Based on static Luca Blight (13.25%), Kefka = 24.46% on 2K3 Link with his regular picture.
Based on static 20XX-adjusted Kefka (22.75%), Blight = 12.32%; Wesker = 15.30%.

Now, to work backwards...if Wesker = 15.30%, the pic of Angel Kefka would have a strength of around 25.82% against Link, which is apparently enough to have beaten Diablo.

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From: Phediuk | Posted: 5/30/2005 7:15:12 AM | Message Detail
About WW Ganondorf being his pic:

I'm surprised more people don't complain about his character design in WW. I thought he looked pretty awkward in cel-shading.
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From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 5/30/2005 7:17:48 AM | Message Detail
I don't think any character in WW looked good. Cel shading didn't start to look until until much later. I love the character designs in TOS, for example.

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From: DomaDragoon | Posted: 5/30/2005 7:31:05 AM | Message Detail
Based on these results, I think I'm going to ignore all the XStats for this tourney when I make my next bracket. There are just too many anomalies.
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From: The n00b Avenger | Posted: 5/30/2005 7:31:59 AM | Message Detail
I guess people voting for their favorite 'villain' is just inherently different than people voting for their favorite 'character'
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 5/30/2005 7:33:12 AM | Message Detail
Kuja would have beat MH then if that were the case.
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From: Haste2 | Posted: 5/30/2005 7:35:27 AM | Message Detail
I hardly even think of Master Hand as being a villain...just a rather minor final boss.

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From: The n00b Avenger | Posted: 5/30/2005 7:35:36 AM | Message Detail
Or maybe he'd lose even WORSE in a character contest.

Hoh hoh hoh, try to imagine that one.
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From: The n00b Avenger | Posted: 5/30/2005 7:43:15 AM | Message Detail
But actually, the real reason Master Hand beat Kuja is because God has a sense of irony.

It was in response to the topic on the FF9 board made the day before the match.

"Wouldn't it be hilarious if Kuja lost to Master Hand?"

"Yeah right!"
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 5/30/2005 7:52:41 AM | Message Detail
*FF9 POSSIBLE SPOILERS*


Somebody said it best when MH first started getting his day-vote (assuming the guy was right, since I haven't played the game); I understand that Kuja is essentially a puppet being controlled...wouldn't it made sense for a puppet to be owned by a hand?
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From: Tai | Posted: 5/30/2005 7:54:02 AM | Message Detail
Ok, I'm just curious about something. I still don't know much about how to do the XStats. (and I know I'll learn quickly, I'm in Algebra II Honors and I'm just a HS sophomore XD) Anyways:

So, like, Knuckles got 57.46% on Kefka, and Diablo got 54.09% on Kefka, correct?

So like, does that mean Knuckles would be projected to get...53.37% on Diablo? (I don't know, I just took 50%, and added the 3.37% by the margin of victory Knuckles had over Diablo..is that how you do it?)

Oh yeah, and no perfects = Owned.

Also, Yoblazer, good to know you're on the top of the leaderboard. :-) So, what's your tiebreaker?
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From: meche313 | Posted: 5/30/2005 8:03:41 AM | Message Detail
So, assuming that Ganon finishes with 74%, where would Robotnik finish in the stats? (through both, 2k4 and this contest's Ganon)
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From: Tai | Posted: 5/30/2005 8:03:59 AM | Message Detail
Ganondorf 74.01% 18504
Dr. Robotnik 25.99% 6499
TOTAL VOTES 25003

Moo.
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From: transience | Posted: 5/30/2005 8:20:57 AM | Message Detail
*ff9 spoilers*

Kuja isn't a puppet, he was genetically created by someone but is otherwise under his own control. he ends up killing his creator, too. not very indicative of puppets.

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From: Haste2 | Posted: 5/30/2005 8:30:17 AM | Message Detail
o_O I just realized that it's only a matter of time before GDorf starts blowing out Robotnik worse than ANSEM.

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From: Tai | Posted: 5/30/2005 8:33:32 AM | Message Detail
Someone please answer my question: Knuckles would be projected to get 53.37% on Diablo, right?
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From: therealmnm | Posted: 5/30/2005 8:33:37 AM | Message Detail
After TP, who wins a rematch vs. Ganon and Magus?
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From: Haste2 | Posted: 5/30/2005 8:36:14 AM | Message Detail
Ganon, of course. I wonder if Ganon could beat Magus this year, though?

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From: The n00b Avenger | Posted: 5/30/2005 8:37:38 AM | Message Detail
After TP, who wins a rematch vs. Ganon and Magus?

That's funny. I was thinking the same exact thing.

Except I was even thinking who would win in a rematch just this year. I still think Ganondorf has a shot.
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 5/30/2005 8:40:07 AM | Message Detail
If Robo finishes at 26% on Ganon...

Ganon 2k3 =2k4 = 2k5:
Ganon - 32.38%
Robotnik - 16.84% (between Conker and unadjusted Jak)
Sin - 16.4% (barely above Conker)
MH - 13.64% (between Lara and Mr. GFNW)
Kuja - 12.61% (between Bogard and Luca)

Ganon 2k5 (through a steady CATS):
Ganon - 25.9%
Robotnik - 13.47% (barely above Gordon Freeman)
Sin - 13.11% (between Gordon and Bogard)
MH - 10.91% (between JC and Ratchet)
Kuja - 10.09% (barely above Ratchet)


Tai, I'm sorry for bein' kinda rushed so I can't explain how I got the numbers, but from what I get, Diablo gets 46.07% on Knuckles.
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From: Phediuk | Posted: 5/30/2005 8:41:26 AM | Message Detail
Ganon's percentage is climbing fast. I'd be very surprised if he didn't clinch the tripling by the end of the day.
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 5/30/2005 8:42:42 AM | Message Detail
Oh, and also about Sin and Kuja, check these out (which I've already pointed out)...

If Ganon's been consistant these years:
If Kuja = Ultros, Robotnik loses to Ganon with 26.51%.

If Ganon's truly as CATS says this year:
If Sin = Ultros, Robotnik loses to Ganon with 25.5%.
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From: The n00b Avenger | Posted: 5/30/2005 8:44:10 AM | Message Detail
Ganondorf has reached what he got on Ansem.

Let's take this moment to laugh at Robotnik.
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