Bison > Akuma because SF is not nearly as popular as it was during the SNES days.
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Oh.

>_>;
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Volgin is one sexy beast....

Depends on who you talk to about a Bison/Akuma match; a good arguement can be made either way...but I'd take Akuma.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Dr. Robotnik
"What awaits each person in Heaven is eternal peace, divine rest, and $10,000." --Cartman

How can a good argument be made for Akuma over BISON? Akuma wouldn't have a chance in hell. Trust me; anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves.

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I'm certain Bison would take that.
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Kefka 46.99% 18273
Diablo 53.01% 20611
TOTAL VOTES 38884

"You're about to enter a world of pain, Donny."
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Dr. Robotnik
"What awaits each person in Heaven is eternal peace, divine rest, and $10,000." --Cartman

Akuma is what Shadow the Hedgehog is to Robotnik. I'd expect Akuma to take it over Bison and maybe even be the second strongest Street Fighter.
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Lonely Angel
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If fighting game fans here as as casual as many of us think (which is debatable, but possible), then Akuma has a good shot at being a lil' stronger than Bison because he's ****in' loved by the casuals in the games he's in (I'm guilty as charged; I don't think that highly of him, but I'll almost always pick him if I see him at an arcade machine). The fact he isn't in SF2 is the main thing that'd give Bison the advantage, but I figure Akuma can over-come that if the fighting fanbase here is real casual (which is a tough assumption).
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Dr. Robotnik
"What awaits each person in Heaven is eternal peace, divine rest, and $10,000." --Cartman

At least Knuckles would beat Diablo, restoring some credibilty to this site.
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Akuma was in the last version of SF2 (ST) as a secret character and then had the spotlight in the Alpha ames.
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Lonely Angel
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Akuma is what Shadow the Hedgehog is to Robotnik. I'd expect Akuma to take it over Bison and maybe even be the second strongest Street Fighter.

Akuma over Bison is just silly. Bison would take that, but it'd be fairly close unless there's some kind of weird SFF going on. Apart from Ryu I really don't think there's too much difference between any of the SF characters.
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Jon Thomson - 34/40, today: Ridley, tomorrow: Ganondorf
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

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Lonely Angel
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Ken got 31% on Sonic while Ryu got 45%. While the casuals may like/recognize Ryu more, the hardcore fans prefer Ken over any Street Fighter and possibly any fighting game character, but I guess Terry is in the way of that.
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Lonely Angel
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Right, the hardcore fans...but how many hardcore fighting fans are here?
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"What awaits each person in Heaven is eternal peace, divine rest, and $10,000." --Cartman

Triforce Division: Round 3 - Match 28 – (1)Ganondorf vs. (3)Dr. Robotnik
The Doctor is in the house, but Ganon isn’t taking a needle up there.

Moltar’s Analysis

Ganondorf
Round 1 – vs. Giygas (Ganondorf: 84.98% - Giygas: 15.02%)
Round 2 – vs. Ansem (Ganondorf: 74.44% - Ansem: 25.56%)

Ganon fails to triple Ansem, but I still love him anyway.

Dr. Robotnik
Round 1 – vs. Sin (Robotnik: 51.32% - Sin: 48.68%)
Round 2 – vs. Master Hand (Robotnik: 59.50% - M. Hand: 40.50%)

Robotnik easily takes out Master Hand. Poor Kuja.

And Round 3 ends not with a possible SFF-filled match, but with another Sega/Nintendo match. This time, it’s LoZ’s Ganondorf versus the Sonic’s series baddie, Dr. Robotnik. This is probably going to be the least interesting match of the Final Four. We got to see where Ocelot’s trio ranked when he fought Bowser. Sephiroth made Liquid look extremely weak and way below where his 2004 value was. And Kefka vs. Diablo, as we all knew, was a fun one to watch. But now, we have Ganondorf and Robotnik. This is only going to show us where we can put Robotnik compared to the other Sonic characters, and where his four-pack would rank. Not too much, but meh. Ganondorf wins here with ease.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Ganondorf will win

Moltar’s Prediction is: Ganondorf 65% - Robotnik 35%



Ulti’s Analysis

I'm STILL not over the fact that we lost a perfect to Ganon/Ansem.

Oh yeah, there's a match to discuss, and much like Sephy/Liquid, there's no point in discussing it.

Ganon with 57.75%



Soul’s Analysis

Last match for Round 3 belongs to Zelda's and Sonic's representative villains, Ganondorf and Robotnik. This match shouldn't be too hard to predict. Ganondorf is on the same level as Sonic. Do you all really think Robotnik is as high as that? Ganondorf wins with 69.78%



Outback’s Analysis

BRING ON SUMMER!

This match may be a little closer than expected earlier now; MH could be strong, Sin could be strong, Kuja could be strong. We really have no idea. If Ganon is as strong as he was in 2k3, Robotnik needs to be as strong as Sonic, and we know that isn't happening. If Ganon is as strong as is shown by CATS 2k4, then Robotnik needs to be more along Bowser's level. Either way, not happening.

Ganondorf 63.00, Robotnik 37.00



Inviso’s Analysis

Well…this is the round where we finally know the true strength of all competitors. Bowser struggled against Ocelot, while Sephiroth beat down Liquid Snake and Kefka vs. Diablo was relatively close. These matches can show exactly how strong each character will be next round. Anyway, Ganondorf will most likely be between Bowser and Sephiroth, perhaps directly in the middle.

Robotnik is most likely weaker than the other competitors in the final 8, with Kefka being a previous competitor, and Liquid having the same, with Ocelot topping him in strength. Anyway, Ganondorf will, once again, perform well and nearly on par with Sephiroth.

My Prediction: Ganondorf with 68.64%

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Kefka vs. Diablo - Bracket: Ridley - Vote: Kefka (34/40)

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"I'd like to see the 500th post actually be on topic this time." ~LordOfDabu

In my contests I've done, it shows how favorites canbe preferred while anti-voting is easily present. I'll show you the brackets.

http://www.bracketmaker.com/tmenu.cfm?tid=88629&tclass=
http://www.bracketmaker.com/tmenu.cfm?&tid=98329&tclass=

This board does have a high fanbase for Guilty Gear and there was a failed project to get Slayer in the Summer Contest.
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Lonely Angel
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Frankly, you guys who are off-handedly saying Bison > Akuma are working on a false premise. You seem to think SF2 is the most popular game featuring these characters here, it's not. The most game for them is MvC2, which decidedly has Akuma in it. I'm not saying as a certainty that Akuma > Bison, but I am saying you should back your cause more carefully lest ye be burned.
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The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing over half of the brackets that Ridley could win. - Harrich

Diablo is one hell of a job right now. I would like to think 55% is a possibility for him considering how early this is...

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“You see, at this point… I’m pretty much the Queen ***** of the Universe. And not all of your little soldiers or space ships will stand in my way again.”

Bison was also in MvC2, which is the most popular fighting game in the US, though I could be wrong.
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W00t Diablo is doing better then he did on Bison. Me and HM both called it. I love it being right for once after all my other faulty predictions :P.

At this rate, there's a small chance Ridley could be nearly as strong as kefka.
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Does anyone know what dante would be projected to get on kefka? I'm asking because that's around where ganon is projected to be right now.
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Bison was also in MvC2, which is the most popular fighting game in the US, though I could be wrong.

I know MvC2 is the most popular fighting game on the US tournament scene...but most popular fighting game? Nah, probably not.
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Adjusted Kefka would get 41.60% on Dante, and unadjusted Kefka would get 37.45%.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Dr. Robotnik
"What awaits each person in Heaven is eternal peace, divine rest, and $10,000." --Cartman

I don't know about in general, but in GameFAQs, I'm guessing either Soul Calibur 1 or 2 is the most popular fighting game here.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Dr. Robotnik
"What awaits each person in Heaven is eternal peace, divine rest, and $10,000." --Cartman

In Japan it's Virtua Fighter and The King of Fighters, two series the US doesn't even care about, but Japan doesn't like Marvel either, which is the only game at Evo the US beat Japan at.
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Lonely Angel
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Street Fighter II isn't even the most popular in the series, Third Strike and Alpha 3 are more favored.
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Lonely Angel
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So MvC2 beats SFII in a poll? I don't buy that...
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This has nothing to do with stats or anything, but look anyway <3

http://weddings.theknot.com/pwp/view/co_main.aspx?coupleid=3247697420947061#

~*ST*~
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"If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh!" -Magus Zeal

"So MvC2 beats SFII in a poll? I don't buy that..."

Have you seen Morrigan, Strider, and by god SERVBOT in the 2k2 stats? I'm telling ya'll now, MvC2 was huge evne on a non-fighter site like this when it was frsh and still hold some heavy appeal today. When your game has sever reps (given, many of them are more known for other appearances) and the weakest tops 19% you're not doing too bad.

Yes, I know bison is in MvC2, I'm just saying that Akuma shouldn't be offhandedly discounted, and why did SoulCal get brought up, it has nothing to do with this.
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The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing over half of the brackets that Ridley could win. - Harrich

After yesterday, I was convinced there was no 20XX Factor. Kefka is not at 22.75% on 2003 Link, like that number suggests. His unadjusted number puts him at 20.77% against Link, right below Duke Nukem.

For the record, that currently puts Diablo at 22.19% on Link, below Bomberman. If Kefka's adjusted number DOES turn out to be correct, then he's at 24.30% on Link, slightly above Tails.

Again, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but this tournament has given me no reason to support a 20XX Factor anymore, regardless of what Kefka did to Wesker (RPGuy's number of extrapolating Diablo > Ganon hinted at me that Luca's placement is also incorrect).

And major congratulations to Kefka. You blew a division that was personally designed for you to win. Good job.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

http://weddings.theknot.com/pwp/view/co_main.aspx?coupleid=3247697420947061#

Whoa! Congrats!!!

Nice goatee, by the way. =P
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The most popular Sonic games are his old Sega games. Shadow wasn't in those, but I don't hear anybody saying they'd take Robotnik to beat him.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

My hair is a lot longer than that, plus I'm a lot thinner now than in that picture. What you're looking at was taken around Christmas.

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"If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh!" -Magus Zeal

Wasn't the reasoning behind there being no 20XXDF that Sephiroth overperformed on Cloud? Do you really think he's that "weak," given what he did to Liquid yesterday? There may or may not be a 20XXDF, but I think that reasoning is flawed.

Liquid's near 10% drop becomes a near 8% drop if this is 2k4 Sephiroth and there was no 20XXDF. That doesn't even begin to explain it.
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If you go to him, he will destroy you. And your last moments will be of shadow and pain.

Congratulations, Ulti!
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If you go to him, he will destroy you. And your last moments will be of shadow and pain.

I dunno, I hear some people saying that think SA2B is good. I mena, there's no accounting for taste, but between recency and the fact that some people can't tall when a game is actually bad I just don't think there is reason to believe Robo would beat Shadow.
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The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing over half of the brackets that Ridley could win. - Harrich

I brought up Soul Calibur 'cuz the most popular fighting games were being discussed, and SC can make an arguement for its case.

Congrats, Ulti; may you two be forever happy and all that mushy stuff. =)
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Dr. Robotnik
"What awaits each person in Heaven is eternal peace, divine rest, and $10,000." --Cartman

Well, okay, way too early in the day for me to be typing...
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The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing over half of the brackets that Ridley could win. - Harrich

http://weddings.theknot.com/pwp/view/co_main.aspx?coupleid=3247697420947061#

Heh, that description of how you were engaged is so cheesy. I want to call it adorable, but... Oh, what the hell, it's adorable. Congrats.
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Sephiroth is good, if he wasn't good, sephiroth wouldn't have 8.000 fans around the world. ~Siimor11
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Wasn't the reasoning behind there being no 20XXDF that Sephiroth overperformed on Cloud?

No, it was just that we had no proof that Link overperformed on Mega Man, and the Blue Bomber should have NEVER been automatically given his 2003 number, especially since that was the only year we had anything absolute on him. For him to receive that number again with no debate whatsoever is ridiculous.

Regardless of how much it makes Sephiroth overperform on Liquid, I don't buy that trio being near-elite, especially when unadjusted MC is very close to his 2003 value, if I'm not mistaken. Maybe this is a Sephiroth overperformance or Liquid overperformed last year, but his dud against Lavos gives me no reason to believe his 2004 number is correct.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

While the wedding thing is still fresh, I wanna ask this: just how on earth are you supposed to say DMYTROW?
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Dr. Robotnik
"What awaits each person in Heaven is eternal peace, divine rest, and $10,000." --Cartman

And yes, I'm aware that no adjustment screws everybody else up, but as I've said, Kefka and Liquid have given me no reason to believe any such factor exists. I still don't buy Bison > Ken by any stretch of the imagination. Either Ken's 2003 number is too low or Kefka's not as strong as he appears.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

Congratulations, Ulti! =D

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Oh, and congratulations to Ulti and all that.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

Congrats Ulti.

ATTACK OF THE CONSONANTS'D
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For him to receive that number again with no debate whatsoever is ridiculous.

There was debate. My first version of my Link adjusted XS didn't include a 20XXDF, but Ulti convinced me to bring Mega Man up, chiefly because of Ryu > Snake. I expressed my doubts about the Frog/MC/LS debate, but they were put to rest by saying that there were other factors at work there.

I don't buy that trio being near-elite, especially when unadjusted MC is very close to his 2003 value, if I'm not mistaken

Neither do I, but I was thinking closer to 28-30%, not 22%. And you are mistaken: unadjusted MC is around 29.61%, a good 3.5% higher than his 2k3 value.

his dud against Lavos gives me no reason to believe his 2004 number is correct.

I have to agree here, again, but, as I said, no 20XXDF doesn't account for much of his fall at all. There has to be something else at work, and it has to be rather significant.
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If you go to him, he will destroy you. And your last moments will be of shadow and pain.

Bowser struggled against Ocelot

Inviso, you never cease to amaze me.
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Can't keep a good man down, baby!

Heh, that description of how you were engaged is so cheesy.

The girl types like a 6th grader on AOL.

But yeah, I had my best friend take her out to a movie, then I snuck into her apartment with roses and an ice cream cake, and put her dream ring (platinum ring, marquis cut diamond) in one of the red roses on the top. She almost had a heart attack.

Of course this was two years ago. I'm just glad that the wedding itself is finally finalized and all that.

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