I would start pushing that up past 28% given how well Sonic characters benefit from the day vote.

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If you ever meet my brother, let him know… The thousands of years of raindrops summoned by my song are my tears. The thunder that strikes the Earth is my anger.

Sad, since only and infant would vote for Ganon in the face of such vast superiority.
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The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing over half of the brackets that Ridley could win. - Harrich

Look at the bold Leonhart...sorry. For the rest of us:

Ganon 2k3 = 2k4 = 2k5:
If Kuja = Ultros, Robotnik loses to Ganon with 26.51%.
If Sin = Lavos, Robotnik loses to Ganon with 28.78%.

Ganon 2k5 (through CATS):
If Sin = Ultros, Robotnik loses to Ganon with 25.5%.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Dr. Robotnik
"What awaits each person in Heaven is eternal peace, divine rest, and $10,000." --Cartman

You laugh, but just wait :3

Ganon is NOT fodder, and Seph is probably weakening. Add in Twilight Princess (what little impact it has will still count) and we have a non-doubling.

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In memory of my true love, Mandi Barton...the one that got away.

Yeah, but Robo isn't quite like the others. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that he will be able to maintain himself through the next night vote. He'll his over 28 at some point, I'm just not sure he'll keep it. Of course with the haste in which he moves his big ass you may be right.
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The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing over half of the brackets that Ridley could win. - Harrich

I applaud that infant for having enough brains to vote for Ganon over Sephiroth - the better of the two.

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If you ever meet my brother, let him know… The thousands of years of raindrops summoned by my song are my tears. The thunder that strikes the Earth is my anger.

Right. Unfortunately, those whom you claim to have brains will be doubled by those who actually do.
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The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing over half of the brackets that Ridley could win. - Harrich

And if you believe every single thing they say without the ability to think for yourself, then you are not in any sort of better position. It would be nice if you actually tried not using the stats for every single situation and sticking to them regardless of what you see or what is just common sense.

Who says I wouldn't take Kuja? But to say I'm "beyond help" because I think CATS could win is ridiculous. He gave Ansem a good run for his money, and Kingdom Hearts is undoubtedly a more popular game than FFIX is. Common sense isn't always "common," you know.

And since when did I lose the ability to "think for myself" because I think the stats give a good idea of the general area of strength? Isn't THAT pretty much common sense?
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

The only reason that Sephiroth will be doubling Ganon is because people are morons.

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If you ever meet my brother, let him know… The thousands of years of raindrops summoned by my song are my tears. The thunder that strikes the Earth is my anger.

I swear, whenever Robo gets close to 27 ganon back hands him and yells "get down *****!"
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The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing over half of the brackets that Ridley could win. - Harrich

I can't believe I'm typing this, but...for Kuja to be ranked equal to CATS, Robotnik needs to climb up to 31.36%...
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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO CATS

I have nothing against Sephiroth; he is my favorite character from FF7 (though with competition like Cloud and Aeris, that is not saying much) and I like him more than Ganon...but I still doubt he will double up on Ganondorf.

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In memory of my true love, Mandi Barton...the one that got away.

About Kuja/CATS...

...Ansem had to get the day-vote to avoid going dead-even with him. KH > FF9, and I suspect Ansem > Kuja. The stats have CATS as a solid favorite...

...I'd still take Kuja. It'd be close though. Let me ask this: Kuja or Andross, who wins?
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Dr. Robotnik
"What awaits each person in Heaven is eternal peace, divine rest, and $10,000." --Cartman

The only reason that Sephiroth will be doubling Ganon is because people are morons.

Yeah, Ganon should be qudurpled, that's how much he sucks.
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BANG BANG BANG VIPER BEAM!

I'd take that as an insult but you're not even man enough to say those things with your original account (san goading of this sort), so it's not evne worth the time. Just face it, even Zelda fanboys can't fully support Ganon while FF7 very nearly do support Sephiroth fully. Far more than any villain in fact. It's not because they're mindles but because there is something far too subtle about Sephiroth (and far too cool, as well) for you to notice. Heh, the wind called and said it Ganon blows.
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The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing over half of the brackets that Ridley could win. - Harrich

Ganondorf 73.43% 2203
Dr. Robotnik 26.57% 797
TOTAL VOTES 3000

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And how many points do you have, again? - fedor
And how many contests have you won, again? - UltimaterializerX

Ganondorf 73.43% 2203
Dr. Robotnik 26.57% 797
TOTAL VOTES 3000
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Dr. Robotnik
"What awaits each person in Heaven is eternal peace, divine rest, and $10,000." --Cartman

Janus > self.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Dr. Robotnik
"What awaits each person in Heaven is eternal peace, divine rest, and $10,000." --Cartman

"Yeah, Ganon should be qudurpled, that's how much he sucks."

"Cable", for once I've got to say... you said something cool. Congrats, I love you until someone brings up fighting games again.

Oh, and alts suck, bad. I can't keep up with who is who.
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The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing over half of the brackets that Ridley could win. - Harrich

Who says I wouldn't take Kuja? But to say I'm "beyond help" because I think CATS could win is ridiculous.

Honestly, I don't see how it isn't. Kuja may be weak, yes, but to tell me that CATS would stand a very good chance at winning remains absolutely stupid. The stats can go **** themselves in a situation like that.

He gave Ansem a good run for his money, and Kingdom Hearts is undoubtedly a more popular game than FFIX is. Common sense isn't always "common," you know.

Where the proof in that? Kingdom Hearts is overrated in those lovely stats that you live and die by. The StarCraft cheat votes were never removed from its match against SSBM. I believe I talked to RPGuy a long while ago and he estimated that SC would rank slightly below FFX.

And since when did I lose the ability to "think for myself" because I think the stats give a good idea of the general area of strength? Isn't THAT pretty much common sense?

The stats have, for basically every year now, featured some sort of crazy occurence in which something went wrong. The stats as a whole may be "generally" accurate, but in such an insane situation like this I'm not sure why you would believe this to be correct. It doesn't make any sense for this to be correct given the characters we're dealing with. Now, I'm not saying that they should be high-end fodder, but to believe that any of them would have trouble with CATS is just... ludicrous.

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If you ever meet my brother, let him know… The thousands of years of raindrops summoned by my song are my tears. The thunder that strikes the Earth is my anger.

I can't see any reason for Ansem to be stronger than Kuja.

Yeah, well sadly none of the sane people in this discussion could see any reason for an inanimate winter accessory to be stronger than Kuja either, and well...

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I'd take that as an insult but you're not even man enough to say those things with your original account (san goading of this sort),

...I'm Heroic Mario. >.>

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If you ever meet my brother, let him know… The thousands of years of raindrops summoned by my song are my tears. The thunder that strikes the Earth is my anger.

I believe I talked to RPGuy a long while ago and he estimated that SC would rank slightly below FFX.

KH isn't so far away from SC, you know...and I think it's safe to say FFX > FF8 > FF9. It'll be a VERY tight squeeze for them all to fit in so FF9 > KH. I wouldn't do much more than put FF9 over FFT, much less over KH.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Dr. Robotnik
"What awaits each person in Heaven is eternal peace, divine rest, and $10,000." --Cartman

"I can't see any reason for Ansem to be stronger than Kuja."

I can't see any reason for Master Hand being stronger than Kuja, but it happened. Filed it in the "weird **** that's obliged to happen ever contest" and moved on, myself. If the stats say it's so, then so be it. It could be wrong, it could be right, it could take half a decade for us to have a contest that goes according to plan. Who knows, and frankly... at this point... who cares? Let the silliness go, already.
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The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing over half of the brackets that Ridley could win. - Harrich

Yeah, everybody runnin' around with alt. accounts confuses me greatly. If you haven't been usermap axed dammit, stick to a name we know you as!

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/05
Team Dragostea Din Tei for Trivia XV

and he estimated that SC would rank slightly below FFX.

...SC and FFX are separated by half a percent. A .5% drop would place KH just under SMW, which is still pretty impressive.
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And how many points do you have, again? - fedor
And how many contests have you won, again? - UltimaterializerX

Yeah, well sadly none of the sane people in this discussion could see any reason for an inanimate winter accessory to be stronger than Kuja either, and well...

Master Hand is from two of the most popular Nintendo games from the past two console generations. CATS is an internet fad. BIG difference.
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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO CATS

In a normal match, I might say Seph would beat Ganondorf with about 70-30....but this IS a final match, and things always go crazy. I think this will be much closer to due people wanting a closer final, and maybe some spite votes, much like Cloud v. Sephiroth 2003.

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In memory of my true love, Mandi Barton...the one that got away.

Heh, the wind called and said it Ganon blows.

That's rather clever and got me to crack a smirk, but then I went back and saw that you did something as blasphemous as calling Sephiroth "cool" and I immediately shook my head in disappointment. It's a real shame that you, of all people, would like Sephiroth - the ultimate crap within this world of video games.

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If you ever meet my brother, let him know… The thousands of years of raindrops summoned by my song are my tears. The thunder that strikes the Earth is my anger.

Actually, SC probably cheated just as much in every match until Ceej caught it. I wouldn't be surprised if it was the only game in that half a division that's out of place.
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The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing over half of the brackets that Ridley could win. - Harrich

The only other time I would have assumed StarCraft of cheating is against The Wind Waker... Okay, so this alternater account is getting its due with the Zelda support tonight. But really, its match against KH seemed rather "legit" to me. There wasn't a need for cheating.

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If you ever meet my brother, let him know… The thousands of years of raindrops summoned by my song are my tears. The thunder that strikes the Earth is my anger.

Ultament crap in Video games? That would be Ganondorf himself.
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BANG BANG BANG VIPER BEAM!

I have been thumpin' the 'SCraft had material cheat votes' Bible since the X-Stats came out in Sp2k4, and only got called bad names. I find it ridiculously hard to believe cheating only took place against SSB:M, especially given the close nature of the Halo and WW matches. If you wanna say it did not cheat against KH, I will not argue the point, but it is a tough sell to think people would cheat in one close match, but not in two others.

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Team Dragostea Din Tei for Trivia XV

Now, I'm not saying that they should be high-end fodder, but to believe that any of them would have trouble with CATS is just... ludicrous.

What? You mean like Ansem, a character from a very popular game?

And yes, I know KH is overrated by those numbers I "live and die by." Just gimme a break with that. I'm just defending them. Who says I buy it? As I've said, the stats say what they say for a reason, and it MAY be because of an anomaly. For the record, FFIX wouldn't get close enough to FFX to rank ahead of Kingdom Hearts. Just consider that some "common sense."

If I used what I considered "common sense" in predicting matches, I would undoubtedly lose quite a few matches. If the stats don't give us some general idea of strength, then why in the world do we even bother with them, and why do you even care or defend Ganondorf being able to live up to his 2003 number? It obviously means nothing, right?
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"Thinking isn't solving anything!" - Tidus

Maybe Scottish Ganon is just super-powered.
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I do like Seph. Sometimes even I am overpowered by the raw, unadultered "coolness" of a character. You know, that sorta thing that makes people go "ooh, ninjas!" and such. Characters like Seph, Dante and Auron have this oomph to them that can overpower one's other senses. They may have faults, all of them, but I like them (well, I don't care so much for Auron...) for being "the cool guy". Some people would say the same thing you said about Sephiroth in regards to Alucard, Crono or Vincent. They're "cool" guys that may or may not have anythign backing that up. For better or worse some people will like them for that and some wont.
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The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing over half of the brackets that Ridley could win. - Harrich

Well if WW Ganon is more powerful that pretty much destroys the WW pic handicapped Link in 2k3 arguement.

Aye.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

haha wait wait

here's a question for you x-stats guys:

If my memory serves me correctly, Robotnik is currently getting close to what Ansem got against Ganondorf. Now assuming there is no SFF anywhere, does this mean that CATS > Master Hand > Kuja?

LOLOL

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Against Kefka, HaRRicH said Wesker < 43%. I said Wesker > 43%...
...turns out 29.63% < 43%, as well as HaRRicH > CaptainFlufflez. Learn to love it.

It's Jungle Book Ganon, dammit.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Dr. Robotnik
"What awaits each person in Heaven is eternal peace, divine rest, and $10,000." --Cartman

I keep waiting for Ganon to go "Aye, laddie!"
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Well, I've still got clothes to dry, and I have to abandon my post to do it. I'll talk more about these matters tomorrow, if need be (and if I hve the time).
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The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing over half of the brackets that Ridley could win. - Harrich

Damn. Whenever I play Wind Waker, I'm going to think of Groundskeeper Willie.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

And yes, I know KH is overrated by those numbers I "live and die by." Just gimme a break with that. I'm just defending them. Who says I buy it?

Well, if there were ever a time when you didn't defend every single bloody thing they say, I wouldn't bother bringing it up. But you seem deadset on making sure that no one give them great doubt.

For the record, FFIX wouldn't get close enough to FFX to rank ahead of Kingdom Hearts. Just consider that some "common sense."

There would still be a fairly large gap in between FFIX and FFX if it were to rank above KH.

If I used what I considered "common sense" in predicting matches, I would undoubtedly lose quite a few matches. If the stats don't give us some general idea of strength, then why in the world do we even bother with them, and why do you even care or defend Ganondorf being able to live up to his 2003 number? It obviously means nothing, right?

Relying on the stats in every situation will have you losing more than just a few matches, too. I'm not saying that they are worthless and should never be brought up. I do enjoy looking at the stats, discussing the stats, and even using them for particular matches. But they have had drastic problems featuring some character or pack of characters in a contest. When something just looks ridiculously out of place, such as this, I have no problem saying the stats should not even be bothered with. To even think that CATS could beat Kuja is, like I said, just insanity. And the stats have Kuja being below CATS, I believe.

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If you ever meet my brother, let him know… The thousands of years of raindrops summoned by my song are my tears. The thunder that strikes the Earth is my anger.

It sounds ridiculous, but it's possible that Kuja is weaker than CATS.

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"LucidFaia" Score: 43, Rank: 24 (T1), Pick: Ganondorf
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289

The Wind Waker Link hindrance never really had any solid ground to stand on other than, "Oh, Link lost. I didn't think that'd ever happen. Something must've been wrong."
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"Thinking isn't solving anything!" - Tidus

Dr. Robotnik > your souls. Take that, X-stats...

...oh, and it turns out your souls > Kuja, too.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Dr. Robotnik
"What awaits each person in Heaven is eternal peace, divine rest, and $10,000." --Cartman

Diablo > Ganondorf
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And how many points do you have, again? - fedor
And how many contests have you won, again? - UltimaterializerX

They say our love is taboo
That what we're doing is wrong
But I don't care what they say
Cause my love is so strong
They tell us we should be ashamed
We're not husband and wife
But I cherish each moment with you
I'm so glad you're in my life

You're my prison *****, my prison *****
you're not like other men
I'm glad we share a prison cell
when lights go out at ten
I can't escape the way I feel, now that would be a crime
As long as I am doing you
I don't mind doing time
Cause you're my prison *****, my prison *****
And I have no regrets
I got you for a candy bar, and a pack of cigarettes
At first you were resistant, but now you are my friend
I knew that I would get you in the end

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"LucidFaia" Score: 43, Rank: 24 (T1), Pick: Ganondorf
My Video Game World Records: http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&p=35289