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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 132
From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 5/25/2005 3:26:03 PM | Message Detail
Tails over Robotnik would be an easy choice for me.
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 5/25/2005 3:39:48 PM | Message Detail
I'd take Tails, though I believe Dr. Robotnik will wind up being close to him in the stats. Methinks Robo can avoid the doubling against Ganon (assuming he makes it to him), so he should be close to Tails.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Dr. Robotnik
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From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 5/25/2005 3:40:33 PM | Message Detail
I'm thinking Robotnik (should he beat Master Hand) will get 30-31% on Ganon.
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From: meche313 | Posted: 5/25/2005 3:50:41 PM | Message Detail
I don't know if I mess up on this or not, but if Master Hand gets 52%+ on Robotnik, it would mean that Robotnik is weaker than Kuja. And, personally I can't see this happening. So that's why I think Robotnik should beat MH...though...you never know. Did I mess up or not? Clarify me if i'm wrong....
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RPG/Square character /= instant win. Robotnik has proved such and owned my ass.
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 5/25/2005 3:59:59 PM | Message Detail
Since Kuja got 46.24% on MH, the only way the x-stats will show Kuja > Robo is if Robotnik loses to MH worse than 46.24%.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Dr. Robotnik
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From: meche313 | Posted: 5/25/2005 4:03:45 PM | Message Detail
Oh right! I was the one who did it wrong. I thought that MH had defeated Kuja by 52-48 instead of 54-46 must have got confused.
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RPG/Square character /= instant win. Robotnik has proved such and owned my ass.
From: Shadowdude II | Posted: 5/25/2005 4:12:01 PM | Message Detail
I reason that MH can't possibly be more than .5% stronger than Sin, considernig that both come from mega-popular games but lack serious fanbase... and Robotnik beat Sin worse than SSBM beat FFX.
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From: meche313 | Posted: 5/25/2005 4:14:11 PM | Message Detail
yeah, but it was Sin. The ****ing whale. Now, put Seymour in his place, and it would had been different.
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RPG/Square character /= instant win. Robotnik has proved such and owned my ass.
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 5/25/2005 4:21:03 PM | Message Detail
For what it's worth, if Sin = Kuja, Dr. Robotnik gets 47.49% on Master Hand tomorrow...so if the talks about Kuja > Sin were right, Robo stands no chance. Now, let's say Robo = MH; if that's the case, Kuja would get 47.49% on Sin.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Dr. Robotnik
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 5/25/2005 4:23:15 PM | Message Detail
Oh, and Ansem's broke 25%. Dammit.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Dr. Robotnik
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From: Adept_Of_Aiur | Posted: 5/25/2005 4:28:12 PM | Message Detail
For what it's worth, if Sin = Kuja, Dr. Robotnik gets 47.49% on Master Hand tomorrow...so if the talks about Kuja > Sin were right, Robo stands no chance. Now, let's say Robo = MH; if that's the case, Kuja would get 47.49% on Sin.

I happen to think Kuja would get about 0% on Sin. Or 45% >>;

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From: jonthomson | Posted: 5/25/2005 4:57:47 PM | Message Detail
I'd take Robotnik over Tails. On principle.
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From: Captain Obviousx1 | Posted: 5/25/2005 5:00:56 PM | Message Detail
I assumed Sin > Kuja, but I also figured that MH would be stronger than Sin (well, Robotnik now) regardless. How much better could Sin be than Kuja for MH to still win? Hopefully there's enough margin for error to keep my bracket around...>_>
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From: Lucid Faia | Posted: 5/25/2005 5:11:44 PM | Message Detail
Yeah. If Robotnik defeats Master Hand, it simply means that Not Robotnik is even crappier than I originally thought. I mean, to be weaker than Who Cares...

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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 5/25/2005 5:31:59 PM | Message Detail
Here's more fun with stats, this time with Bowser/Revolver; this is assuming all 2k4 adjusted stats and the stats thus far in this contest are accurate...


--If Revolver = Liquid, Revolver beats Bowser with 51.75%.
--If Wily = Protoman, Revolver loses to Bowser with 34.09%
--If Wily = Sigma, Revolver loses to Bowser with 24.1%.
--If Nemesis = Jill, Revolver loses to Bowser with 39.4%.
--If Nemesis = Wesker, Revolver loses to Bowser with 23.91%.
--If Ultros = Kefka, Revolver beats Bowser with 55.43%.
--If Ultros = Ansem (through Ganon*), Revolver loses to Bowser with 43.37%.
--If Ultros = Ansem (through CATS), Revolver loses to Bowser with 35.01%.
--If Ultros = CATS, Revolver loses to Bowser with 32.2%.

* - Ansem currently has 25.27% on Ganon.


...I'm currently favoring Revolver to fit in somewhere between the two Ansem results, with him likely being closer to Ultros = Ansem (through CATS).
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Dr. Robotnik
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 5/25/2005 5:37:14 PM | Message Detail
CO, 47.49% is the breathing room for MH judging by the Sin/Kuja comparison; if Kuja would get 47.5% or more against Sin, then the stats would call MH the winner against Robo.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Dr. Robotnik
"What awaits each person in Heaven is eternal peace, divine rest, and $10,000." --Cartman
From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 5/25/2005 5:41:23 PM | Message Detail
I'm rooting for Master Hand to win this match.

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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 5/25/2005 5:46:34 PM | Message Detail
I'd be rooting for Master Hand against most characters, and I wouldn't be mad if he won to see some major carnage, but I gotta support Dr. Robotnik. Too old-school, too cool, and OMG HE HAS CHARAFCTER AND A ST0RY AND HES NOT A FTGRGIGGING GLOVE!!!!!11!
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Dr. Robotnik
"What awaits each person in Heaven is eternal peace, divine rest, and $10,000." --Cartman
From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 5/25/2005 5:48:11 PM | Message Detail
Well, the only reason I'm rooting for Master Hand is because he's from Nintendo and I don't care about Robotnik.

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From: meche313 | Posted: 5/25/2005 5:51:51 PM | Message Detail
I'll be rooting for Master Hand just because he's from SSBM and SSBM is awesome. Also, I had Sin in the first place over Robotnik, so why vote Robotnik now? He should pay...
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RPG/Square character /= instant win. Robotnik has proved such and owned my ass.
From: Lucid Faia | Posted: 5/25/2005 6:00:03 PM | Message Detail
I'm not sure who to root for. My two brackets are both identical with the exception of the Robotnik four-pack. My alt is perfect so far, with Master Hand beating Robotnik. My main has one loss, with Robotnik beating Not Robotnik. If Robotnik were to pull off the win here, my "for prizes main" would still be alive, as I bet very few people had Robotnik over MH, and there aren't many one-loss brackets left. I would still have an outside shot at some money if Robotnik were to win. But if Master Hand wins, my "for fun" alt is well on the way to becoming one of the first perfect brackets we've ever had in one of these contests.

I say, as long as Diablo beats Kefka, I don't care who wins tomorrow.

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From: Adept_Of_Aiur | Posted: 5/25/2005 6:02:08 PM | Message Detail
As long as Ocelot beats Bowser, Robotnik better beat the Hand, cause then I have a highly legitimate shot at winning the contest. Since that is happening, I don't give a ****.

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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 5/25/2005 6:03:48 PM | Message Detail
Just hold onto your vote until you see there's a clear winner, then your vote won't matter and you can vote for who you actually like more. If not though, eh, Id go for prizes. Hope you have a good tie-breaker though.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Dr. Robotnik
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From: Slowflake | Posted: 5/25/2005 6:07:19 PM | Message Detail
I swear, I'm going to go ballistic if Eggman loses. This is legend vs. joke, and usually it's the joke that's funny, but not this time.
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Spring Contest 2005 - Points: 24/28 - Matches: 19/22 - Rank: 00848/24748 - Today: Ganondorf - Tomorrow: Kuja
From: NewLib | Posted: 5/25/2005 6:18:22 PM | Message Detail
Master Hand over Kuja was awesome. Kuja is just overrated and way too loved by somepeople. Master Hand over Robotnik, though, would be kind of depressing.
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From: swirldude | Posted: 5/25/2005 6:23:44 PM | Message Detail
Hand > Man-Thong
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From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 5/25/2005 6:25:19 PM | Message Detail
I certainly have no attachment to Robotnik, so seeing him lose wouldn't be depressing at all to me.

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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 5/25/2005 6:32:06 PM | Message Detail
Master Hand over Kuja was awesome. Kuja is just overrated and way too loved by somepeople. Master Hand over Robotnik, though, would be kind of depressing.

I wanna have this veiw, but...

1) I never played FF9, so I can't fairly say.
2) I know many people liked Kuja over MH more than I like Robotnik over MH, so I sympathize for some people.

...with that said, MH-over-Kuja has also made this contest worth it for me as far as staying true to instinct and defending a successful upset pick.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Dr. Robotnik
"What awaits each person in Heaven is eternal peace, divine rest, and $10,000." --Cartman
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 5/25/2005 6:39:25 PM | Message Detail
I should say "prefer Kuja to MH more than I prefer Robo to MH", for less confusion.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Dr. Robotnik
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From: Lucid Faia | Posted: 5/25/2005 6:58:32 PM | Message Detail
I've been saying from the beginning that "Not Robotnik" Kuja is not a popular villain, but some people love Final Fantasy IX - the game that never happened - too much to see what was obvious to me from the beginning. I actually had Master Hand winning two matches at first, so it looks like I get the last laugh.

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From: Adept_Of_Aiur | Posted: 5/25/2005 6:59:55 PM | Message Detail

...with that said, MH-over-Kuja has also made this contest worth it for me as far as staying true to instinct and defending a successful upset pick.


It's the highlight of the contest for me.

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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 5/25/2005 7:04:50 PM | Message Detail
I had Master Hand winning two matches at first too...then I realized I had him winning two matches and fixed my mistake to just one match, heh.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Dr. Robotnik
"What awaits each person in Heaven is eternal peace, divine rest, and $10,000." --Cartman
From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 5/25/2005 7:06:57 PM | Message Detail
I have no attachment to Robotnik either, but Master Hand's got no business winning tomorrow.
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From: cyko | Posted: 5/25/2005 7:08:04 PM | Message Detail
i als o had the Hand winning both matches, changed it to Kuja, and went to change it back to hand a couple hours before the brackets locked down and, well..... you already know the rest.......... =(

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From: Master Moltar | Posted: 5/25/2005 7:12:44 PM | Message Detail
Just in case if Ulti can read posts on this board without actually being here, I want him to know I'm posting the analyses with or without his in about 30 mins.
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Ganondorf vs. Ansem - Bracket: Ganon - Vote: Ganon (24/28)
From: Lucid Faia | Posted: 5/25/2005 7:14:48 PM | Message Detail
Of course MH doesn't deserve to beat Robotnik, but if these contests were decided by who deserved to win, then the best game ever would have been EarthBound. :P

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"MyWorldIsSNES" Score: 28, Rank: 10 (T1), Pick: Ganondorf
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 5/25/2005 7:52:40 PM | Message Detail
Doom > Earthbound.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Dr. Robotnik
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From: mr_BRIAN | Posted: 5/25/2005 7:58:07 PM | Message Detail
I need to get Earthbound >_>
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SpC2k5: 22/24 Next up: Kefka, Ridley >_>, Ganondorf, Robotnik
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From: Lucid Faia | Posted: 5/25/2005 7:58:44 PM | Message Detail
Meh. Doom is the Mortal Kombat of first-person shooters.

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From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 5/25/2005 7:59:00 PM | Message Detail
I'm in the process of playing EarthBound... again.

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From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 5/25/2005 7:59:33 PM | Message Detail
Well, they did both get the crap beat out of them by Final Fantasy VI.
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From: Master Moltar | Posted: 5/25/2005 7:59:57 PM | Message Detail
Triforce Division: Round 2 - Match 24 – (3)Dr. Robotnik vs. (7)Master Hand

Moltar’s Analysis

Dr. Robotnik - I bet he sends an army of bots to his opponent’s homes the night before their match!
Round 1 – vs. Sin (Robotnik: 51.32% - Sin: 48.68%)

Robotnik defeats Sin! Christianity is pleased.

Master Hand - Crazy Hand is pure fan-service. Master Hand is the real deal.
Round 1 – vs. Kuja (Master H.: 53.76% - Kuja: 46.24%)

Master Hand beat a Final Fantasy villain…laugh now while you still can.

Well, what a match we have here. The legendary Robotnik takes on the gloved and dangerous Master Hand. Now, most didn’t even expect MH to get into Round 2. There was no way he was getting past Kuja, but he did, and in impressive fashion too. Now the Hand has to get past Robotnik. Can it happen?

Well, I, for one, thought Kuja was going to win his four-pack, but I was dead wrong. The same scenario happened in the Ruin division with Ridley too. I had him winning his division, but I was wrong. I only had Kuja winning his first 2 matches. With the Ridley situation, I went with Diablo, and it looks like I was right. Should I go with the Hand as well here?

Don’t get me wrong, Robotnik can win this match, but so can Master Hand. Robotnik also had to get past a Final Fantasy villain. But who do you think is stronger, Sin or Kuja. If this were game strength, I know FFX > FF9, but since this is the characters, I would say Kuja would beat Sin in a match. So I’d put Master Hand over Robotnik.

I expect Robotnik to get the early lead, but if Master Hand can pull another day-vote raping like he did against Kuja, this match is his. Sega is pretty good with the day vote, but Master Hand is looking like that day vote is all going to him.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Kuja will win, but my bracket lies.

Moltar’s Prediction is: Robotnik 48% - Master Hand 52%



Cena’s Analysis

Robotnik, or Eggman to you new-school gamers, is underrated. You see him on Sonic X, getting his ass kicked day in and day out like some sort of *****, and you think to yourselves, "This balding fatass actually beat Sin?". There's a reason he beat Sin. Not just because Final Fantasy X was boring enough to not keep your attention to get to a good battle with Sin, but because, simply put, Dr. Ivo Robotnik is one bad mother******. I don't know what else to say about the man. It wasn't just Sonic that made the series amazing, it wasn't Tails' flamboyant personality that made you feel more open about yourselves, and it wasn't because Rouge was one hot slut; it was because this evil dude in red and black gave you nightmares only acid could top. If you weren't a little boy dreaming about Robotnik slicing you in half, then you're not worthy enough to play a Sonic the Hedgehog game.

Now, I guess I shouldn't count out Master Hand on this. I mean, he did manage to beat Kuja more convincingly than Robotnik beat Sin. Rest assured, though, that it won't mean much. Master Hand is definitely not as known, nor as popular. Master Hand is a pushover, and not meant to be taken seriously as a villain. Sure, I like how lightning comes magically out of his fingertips. I like how he can move without being physically attached to a forearm. Here's the thing, though. I like Robotnik more, and so will 70% of the masses (at least).

Cena's Prediction: Dr. Ivo Robotnik with 70%
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Ganondorf vs. Ansem - Bracket: Ganon - Vote: Ganon (24/28)
From: Lucid Faia | Posted: 5/25/2005 8:00:04 PM | Message Detail
Finish it this time, HM. If I can discover the great things about ToS after hating it the first time, surely you can do the same with EB. ;)

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From: Master Moltar | Posted: 5/25/2005 8:00:14 PM | Message Detail
Soul’s Analysis


My god, I hate and love this four-pack. Yes, my perfect bracket is completely ruined. I had Sin > Kuja, but both of them got eliminated in round 1. Lost my perfect, lost my zero. But God, I love upsets. Especially when they involve people I know and love.

Dr. Robotnik, who doesn't know him? My three favorite series ever are the Mario series, LoZ series and Sonic series. Now, I admit that Sonic's venture into 3D land wasn't the best, but I don't care. Sonic 2 and Sonic 3 for Genesis are 2 games in my top 10. Those games are extremely fun, and I love every character in those games.

Master Hand is in the Super Smash Bros. series, another series that I love. I like Crazy Hand better, but Master Hand will suffice.

Who's going to win this match? I'm going to say Master Hand. It looks like he has the SSB votes, which will boost him really well.

The victor of the match will be… Dr. Robotnik by 51.21%. I think the four-pack will be like this. Robotnik > M. Hand > Sin > Kuja. My proof? FFX > FFIX on this site. Robotnik is much more known than anyone in this four pack, so he will be on top. Now, that only leaves Sin and Master Hand. This could probably go either way, but SSBM already beat FFX in the Spring Contest last year, so I'm guessing M. Hand will be stronger.



Outback’s Analysis

Holy crap! The FF chars didn't win!

This is a match not many people saw coming, although I admit I had it in my bracket originally and then changed it to Robotnik/Kuja, so needless to say I'm a bit mad. And I'll be even madder if MH pulls it out here, because I had that too. As I've said earlier, though, my bracket's already finished, especially with Bison's loss yesterday. However, I'm still pretty confident in Robotnik here. Why people think that Sin, from FFX, a game that got 49.06% against SSBM, would be worse than Kuja, who is from FFIX, a game that failed to make it into the contest and is utterly unremarkable according to favorite polls here. It's not that it's hated, just not enough people played it. Due to that, I think Robotnik will beat Master Hand.

Robotnik 51.12 Master Hand 48.88



Inviso’s Analysis

And the third time this round I think I might have to pick against my bracket. Robotnik had difficulty beating Sin, a character not well known in his respective game. Yet Sin managed to get about 48% of the vote. Master Hand was an extreme underdog in his match, yet triumphed over a much more recognizable villain, from a less recognizable game.

This match could easily be dead even; more so than Ridley/Diablo was hyped to be. On the one hand, we have Robotnik, a veteran of video gaming, and one of the earliest villains, alongside Bowser and Donkey Kong. But age doesn’t mean anything, as Wily was recently dominated by the hand gesture. On the other hand…*realizes I inadvertently made a pun* we have Master Hand, from a very popular game on this site. But, his non-villainous-ness could easily work against him the same way it worked against Sin.

My Prediction: Dr. Robotnik with 50.67%
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Ganondorf vs. Ansem - Bracket: Ganon - Vote: Ganon (24/28)
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 5/25/2005 8:01:24 PM | Message Detail
I liked EB at first, but it really began to run dry as I got further and further for me; I believe I got about a third of the way through before I just gave up on it. Doom's in the same situation with me, except not nearly as bad.
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From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 5/25/2005 8:01:27 PM | Message Detail
Cena's Prediction: Dr. Ivo Robotnik with 70%

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From: mr_BRIAN | Posted: 5/25/2005 8:02:20 PM | Message Detail
I definitely think we should get Vincent into the contest next year, as according to Leohart's topic, he'd be better than Magus >_>
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SpC2k5: 22/24 Next up: Kefka, Ridley >_>, Ganondorf, Robotnik
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From: Master Moltar | Posted: 5/25/2005 8:02:38 PM | Message Detail
I said the same thing...
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Ganondorf vs. Ansem - Bracket: Ganon - Vote: Ganon (24/28)
From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 5/25/2005 8:03:13 PM | Message Detail
Well, according to my topic, there are about 500 characters who are better than Magus.

But yeah, Vincent deserves a shot, especially once Dirge of Cerberus is released.
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From: Slowflake | Posted: 5/25/2005 8:03:54 PM | Message Detail
Who's going to win this match? I'm going to say Master Hand. It looks like he has the SSB votes, which will boost him really well.

The victor of the match will be%u2026 Dr. Robotnik by 51.21%.


...the hell?
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Spring Contest 2005 - Points: 24/28 - Matches: 19/22 - Rank: 00848/24748 - Today: Ganondorf - Tomorrow: Kuja
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