I hope you're right... I want Eggman to make MH suffer. And I'll enjoy every moment of it if it happens. And if it doesn't... it's all the better, since Ganondorf will SFF him out of his pants (glove?).
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I realize Kerrigan's much different from Diablo, but they're also very similar. I think Diablo > Kerrigan pretty easily, but I now think Kerrigan >>> Ansem when I used to think she wouldn't be far away from CATS.
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All things Blizzard are a pain to estimate because of the outside support they receive.
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Master Hand has made this contest for me worthwhile, but I truly hope Robotnik beats him. Close or blow-out, I care not.
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The whole reason I picked Master Hand was because I thought Kuja would be weak as hell actually.

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Kerrigan is completely different from Diablo. Diablo is in the SP and MP parts of his game well Kerrigan is only in SP and SC is more widely played on MP. Plus her name isin't in the frikking title. I can't see her being near Diablo.

Why in the hell are people so insistent on the title providing that much strength to a character? I'm sure it helps, but people like yourself make that factor out to be far larger than what it really is. And while Diablo has his own part in the multiplayer and single player portion, he also isn't someone who appears as frequently as one would think. Kerrigan is in both StarCraft and StarCraft: Brood War - a game that sold ~9 million copies, for those wondering - and has a very prominent role in it, which is more than I can say for Diablo. There are things that balance this kind of thing out. I'm not going to bother bringing up character, dialogue, etc. but I will preach that she is far more active and there in her game than Diablo is in his. What's more, you can actually take control of her at different portions of the game, for what it is worth.

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Honestly, after seeing Nemesis be stronger than Wesker (and probably by a sizable margin), I'm practically expecting Sin to be stronger than Kuja now. Either way, I believe we're in for a barn burner Thursday.
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I hope Master Hand beats the crap out of Robotnik, to be honest.

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i would have also nominated Tifa, but i really don't want to see 4 or 5 FF7 characters in one contest. unless Ceej actually holds a Best Final Fantasy Character Contest.

hmmmm... now that i think about it, that might actually be somewhat interesting and successful contest. hmph...... in a field of 32 characters in abest Final Fantasy character contest i could see these characters in a good bracket:



1 Cloud
8 Rydia

4 Black Mage
5 Fighter

3 Terra
6 Zidane

2 Cecil
7 Kain


1 Sephiroth
8 Golbez

4 Locke
5 Barret

3 Vivi
6 Tidus

2 Auron
7 Gilgamesh


1 Squall
8 Rikku

4 Aeris
5 Tifa

3 Mog
6 Bahamut

2 Vincent
7 Celes


1 Kefka
8 Rinoa

4 Kuja
5 Seymour

3 Shadow
6 Yuna

2 Seifer
7 Chocobo

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Why are people so insistent on the title providing that much strength to a character?

Nemesis > Wesker, maybe?
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I think Wesker was overestimated more than just about anyone. I mean people thought he could give Kefka a run for his money, and he ended up getting doubled. As for underestimated, definitely Andross and MH, though the former is probably more of a product of overestimating Sigma.

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It was definitely more overestimating Sigma than underestimating Andross. After all, the latter is weaker than CATS.
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Nemesis > Wesker, maybe?

...And you think a big part of that is because of the title? -_-

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From: MegatokyoEd | Posted: 5/24/2005 10:59:03 PM | Message Detail
Kerrigan is completely different from Diablo.

This is correct. Diablo would be vastly stronger than Kerrigan. Compared to him she's downright obscure.

Kerrigan is not going to be underrated just because she's Blizzard. People like me expected Diablo to be strong for good reasons. Kerrigan may not be total fodder, but she wouldn't be anything worth noting.
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I'm just throwing something out there. Not saying it's true. Nemesis has more attention drawn to him than Wesker does. Being the focus of a particular game definitely couldn't hurt, that's for sure.
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MM, I thought you picked MH almost instantly once MH took the lead over Bison in the upset poll, then defended your pick from there. Either way, I remember distinctly saying that Kuja was seeded too high and Master Hand was seeded too low.
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...And you think a big part of that is because of the title? -_-

Yes, definitely.
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This is correct. Diablo would be vastly stronger than Kerrigan. Compared to him she's downright obscure.

Please do not hesitate to explain to me why that is. Diablo is nothing compared to Kerrigan in terms of the roles they play in each game and that isn't even bothering to bring up the fact that StarCraft is undoubtedly the more popular game.

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Nah, he had Master Hand from the beginning. I remember debating the point with him shortly after the bracket was released. At that point, he had Sin winning the four pack, too, so SOME things changed.

However, perhaps Nemesis is stronger because he's kinda representative of the zombies/super ugly monsters of the Resident Evil series. Maybe those who speculated that a Metroid would do better than Mother Brain or Ridley weren't too far off.
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MM, I thought you picked MH almost instantly once MH took the lead over Bison in the upset poll, then defended your pick from there. Either way, I remember distinctly saying that Kuja was seeded too high and Master Hand was seeded too low.

o.0

I took Master Hand the day the brackets opened. And then the upset poll just solidified my belief that he would win. My reasoning for choosing him was that I thought Uja was weak,, and I always thought Kuja was way overseeded, but didn't think MH was really too underseeded.

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Yes, definitely.

That's absolutely ridiculous, creative. Absolutely ridiculous. I would have told you that Nemesis would be stronger than Wesker without ever mentioning the fact that he is featured in one of the subtitles of the game. Nemesis has played a far larger role and is easily a more defining character for Resident Evil than Wesker could ever hope to be. The fact that he's a zombie, a key enemy of the series, while Wesker's biggest thing is being "cool," there is plenty of reason to believe that Nemesis is stronger for many other reasons than being in the subtitle of one game. For crying out loud, I don't know how anyone could honestly put that much backing behind the freaking title of a game.

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Nah, he had Master Hand from the beginning. I remember debating the point with him shortly after the bracket was released. At that point, he had Sin winning the four pack, too, so SOME things changed.

Actually, I lied about half of my picks in the beginning. >>;;; I never changed that four-pack.

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Meh, wrong person then; I thought it was you for sure once I checked the leaderboard and saw you were one of the slowest perfects up there. My apologies.
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That's absolutely ridiculous, creative. Absolutely ridiculous.

Are you kidding? How you you NOT see how having a game named after you dramatically increases your visibility and potential strength?
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We have no real evidence on this and can't, but it is truly irrational to dismiss having a game named after you as a non-factor in strength.
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Meh, wrong person then; I thought it was you for sure once I checked the leaderboard and saw you were one of the slowest perfects up there. My apologies.

The reason my bracket was finalized so late was because the upset poll convinced me to switch Bison to beating Diablo... --;;;

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Maybe those who speculated that a Metroid would do better than Mother Brain or Ridley weren't too far off.

Probably so. A Metroid is certainly a more defining character that represents the series more than Mother Brain or Ridley. If there were something close to that getting in, it would probably be "Metroid Prime." Unless, of course, CJayC allowed basic enemies like Metroids to enter the contest.

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As I've said, being in the spotlight and being the primary focus definitely helps, regardless of who it is.
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It's not that ridiculous, but I wouldn't give the name-in-title potential that much credit either.
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Probably so. A Metroid is certainly a more defining character that represents the series more than Mother Brain or Ridley

Because that's the name of the series, maybe? Heh.
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Maybe those who speculated that a Metroid would do better than Mother Brain or Ridley weren't too far off.

I still stand by that initial theory of mine too.
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Are you kidding? How you you NOT see how having a game named after you dramatically increases your visibility and potential strength?

It can most certainly play a role in helping you out, but thinking it is one of the major components in your strength? I find that simply absurd. Between Zelda, Diablo, and now Nemesis, I cannot possibly fathom why people insist that being in the title helps you out dramatically or is a key reason to be stronger than someone who does not.

I would love an explanation on how Kerrigan could not even be in the same area as Diablo. Forgetting everything about SC being more popular than D2, her being more prominent and active figure in her game, and everything else I went on to mention. Are you trying to tell me that Diablo would be that much higher than her based upon something as ridiculous as being named after the game? That just makes my head spin.

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Oh, and I've got this little plan to attempt at getting Zeratul in the contest, but you probably wouldn't want to waste a nomination on that...

Actually, yes, I would.
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Because that's the name of the series, maybe? Heh.

No, because it is an enemy you encounter and hear about more than any of the bosses in the game.

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Diablo has the bad ass factor going for him. That alone is enough for the win.
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I was just jokin' with ya, man.

So...If a Metroid were in this contest, where would you see it ranking? What about a Goomba?
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I'm glad you mentioned a Goomba, I was about to bring that up...

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Oh, and I haven't a clue where I would put them. But they would certainly take out a lot of the fodder in these contests.

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I wanna see where MB and Ridley finish before I decide where a metroid would go.

As for a Goomba...let's just say the contest winner would no longer be guaranteed. Ahem.
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Goomba > Sigma!

Would you see the Goomba or the Metroid being stronger?
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Fear the Goomba. =p

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I could see a Goomba doing very well, as I've said before.

And I've also said that a Metroid could well be stronger than Mother Brain or Metroid.

Though like Sir Crono said (he was joking, but it is true), the reason Metroids are so associated with the series in the minds of gamers is because the series is named after them. If the series was named "Adventures of Samus" or "Armored Warrior in Space" or something, despite being the exact same games, then the strength of "a Metroid" would almost certainly be hurt a great deal in contest terms.
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The Metroids would perform better than the bosses for other reasons than being named after the series. Honestly, their role and appearance in each game is talked about more than anything. That alone would give them strength, although they would definitely get help from being in the name of the game. But that is certainly not the source of their strength, not by a longshot.

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If the Mario series was called "Super Goomba Stompers", it pretty much goes without saying that Goombas would be much more powerful than they currently would be.
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Diablo has the bad ass factor going for him. That alone is enough for the win.

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Would you see the Goomba or the Metroid being stronger?

I want to say Goomba, myself.

http://img75.echo.cx/img75/6494/goombabadlarge6ys.jpg

Who hasn't seen one of those before? =p

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I just thought of something...If Kefka's performance against Wesker was the result of a legitimate strength boost (as in, not benefitting from the picture), that puts Mithos at 19.98% on 2003 Link.

If that's true, then Lloyd could be a very solid mid-tier character, perhaps even as high as Knuckles.
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I'd almost be willing to say that a Goomba could win the Robotnik/Master Hand four pack.
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I'd barely take a Metroid over a Goomba. Barely. However, I would have taken either Robo or MH over a Goomba...maybe even Sin.
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