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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 131
From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 5/24/2005 1:59:37 PM | Message Detail
As Ulti said, it was over when Diablo came back from 800 to go over 1000. Diablo is still on th rise, the 2k area won't be hard to hit, and even if the night vote overwhelmingly favored Bison we almost can't see a comeback.
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From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 5/24/2005 1:59:51 PM | Message Detail
Regardless, I don't see Bison being stronger. Maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt he is. I really couldn't see him being the 2nd or 3rd strongest SF character.
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From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 5/24/2005 2:02:49 PM | Message Detail
So you think Bison > Ken?

I don't think Ken's place is accurate in the X-sts as it is and Bison was already close to Kefka if Albedo was equal to that of Luca. I don't see any problem thinking that Diablo will beat Kefka. And hey, that is just one of those things that isn't "right."

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From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 5/24/2005 2:03:17 PM | Message Detail
Oh my gods, you insulted me for my poor typing skillz, my life is ova!

And no, there's fair reason to see Nemesis over Wesker, there isn't for Bison over Ken since Ken is in every game Bison is and more while being more visible in all instances of their overlap and being more important to the whole of the series. Wesker sorta loses out on that visibility factor, and the only big thing about him is when you discover that he's a villain. Otherwise he's just blah.
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From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 5/24/2005 2:03:49 PM | Message Detail
I hope nobody thinks Bison > Ken, that just sound ridiculous as a fna of fighting games.

It's certainly a possibility, regardless of how it may look or feel.

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From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 5/24/2005 2:05:15 PM | Message Detail
"3,200 is the formal point of no return, but yeah, it's over"

No one's made it back from that far, though DH came close. It's possible, but you'd need a hell of a lot of gas to pull it off and I don't think there are any contestants in this contest that have that sorta fuel... and certainly not during the night vote. You'd need more gas than Iraq to comeback from a 2k deficit in the night.
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From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 5/24/2005 2:06:03 PM | Message Detail
Diablo's being a beast right now. He's looking to have no problem going straight past 52%.

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From: Master Moltar | Posted: 5/24/2005 2:07:05 PM | Message Detail
Diablo is OWNING the after-school vote today. Very impressive.
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From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 5/24/2005 2:07:39 PM | Message Detail
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From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 5/24/2005 2:08:30 PM | Message Detail
It's a possibility, but until I see the numbers saying so I don't think it should even be explored. Hell, the numbers would need to put him safely ahead of 2k3 Ken for me to believe it, because we're still not sure what happened to Ken between 02 and 03 and we don't know if anything has boosted the Street Fighters since 03 either.
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From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 5/24/2005 2:10:32 PM | Message Detail
Obviously. I've always been skeptical of Ken's position in the stats for a long while now and he certainly could be higher than what the 2003 stats would say. But Diablo's ability to beat Kefka should not rest upon on whether or not Bison > Ken looks right. That's just stupid - yes, I know you never said it did, I'm simply saying it for myself.

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From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 5/24/2005 2:11:43 PM | Message Detail
I'm glad you know I didn't say it, because I didn't and wasn't trying to. Though I am still backing Kefka personally, like I always did.
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From: Adept_Of_Aiur | Posted: 5/24/2005 2:15:45 PM | Message Detail
Whoa whoa whoa, he's slowing down a hell of a lot now... Gained 4 and 6 in the last two updates.

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From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 5/24/2005 2:16:36 PM | Message Detail
It's certainly a possibility, regardless of how it may look or feel.

I still don't see any reason to buy it. Either way, Luigi > Ridley is practically a certainty at this point.
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From: Heroic_Cable | Posted: 5/24/2005 2:17:38 PM | Message Detail
Contest voters must dislike Ken and think he's a lame clone. Unless Diablo flops against Kefka or Ganondorf Bison looks a lot stronger than Ken.
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From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 5/24/2005 2:18:52 PM | Message Detail
It doesn't matter if you buy it or not. That is not something that should influence whether or not Diablo will be capable of beating Kefka. If Bison turns out to be stronger than Ken, there's certainly nothing that is just ridiculous or crazy about it. I personally wouldn't enjoy it, but we'll see when everything is said and done. But Bison was already near Kefka's level, so Diablo is very easily capable of beating Kefka.

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From: Lucid Faia | Posted: 5/24/2005 2:18:53 PM | Message Detail
Heh. So much for fedor.

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From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 5/24/2005 2:19:11 PM | Message Detail
If Diablo beats Kefka, it certainly won't be anything impressive.

And being a "lame clone" never hurt Shadow the Hedgehog, last I checked.
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From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 5/24/2005 2:19:38 PM | Message Detail
Yes, because Shadow proves that lame clones get shafted in vote totals.
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From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 5/24/2005 2:20:04 PM | Message Detail
It doesn't matter if you buy it or not.

Hello there, Ghaleon > Sigma.
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From: Heroic_Cable | Posted: 5/24/2005 2:20:51 PM | Message Detail
That's cuz Ken isen't TEH EVIL!!11

'Cept for violent Ken but who plays SvC Chaos?
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From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 5/24/2005 2:21:22 PM | Message Detail
If Diablo beats Kefka, it certainly won't be anything impressive.

I would wager it would be by the same amount he would beat Bison to do, give or take a little.

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From: Lucid Faia | Posted: 5/24/2005 2:21:59 PM | Message Detail
I think Kefka is weaker than Bison, and that Diablo will beat Kefka without TOO much trouble.

However, if we see sprite Kefka again... all bets are off.

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From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 5/24/2005 2:22:00 PM | Message Detail
Hello there, Ghaleon > Sigma.

I'm simply throwing out the same stuff you gave me yesterday.

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From: NewLib | Posted: 5/24/2005 2:22:07 PM | Message Detail
He isnt exactly beating Bison impressively.
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From: bigkevinm84 | Posted: 5/24/2005 2:22:24 PM | Message Detail
I don't mind Diablo winning. I just hope Kefka blows him away so my Final 4 is correct. *HOPES*
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From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 5/24/2005 2:23:16 PM | Message Detail
It isn't as though Bison is far below Kefka either. He didn't need to pull a large number today to beat Kefka in the next round.

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From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 5/24/2005 2:23:42 PM | Message Detail
Kefka being in the Final Four is enough to make me puke.

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From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 5/24/2005 2:24:25 PM | Message Detail
I'm simply throwing out the same stuff you gave me yesterday.

Don't pitch it if you don't buy it.
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From: Heroic_Cable | Posted: 5/24/2005 2:24:42 PM | Message Detail
Servbot>Sigma

Still number 3 Mega Man character!
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From: NewLib | Posted: 5/24/2005 2:25:18 PM | Message Detail
Jeez, thats what happens when you are the best Final Fantasy villian. Some people cant deal with it.
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From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 5/24/2005 2:26:13 PM | Message Detail
Jeez, thats what happens when you are the best Final Fantasy villian. Some people cant deal with it.

When did we start talking about Wiegraf?
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From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 5/24/2005 2:26:16 PM | Message Detail
Don't pitch it if you don't buy it.

Merely using your logic. You were so convinced that the stats were good enough to dictate that Ghaleon > Sigma, regardless of how it looked, so I don't possibly see why you would feel the need to bring up Bison > Ken on "looking right." If the stats say it is, there's no reason to immediately question them on how they look, is there?

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From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 5/24/2005 2:26:54 PM | Message Detail
If Kefka is the best FF villain, I believe that speaks volumes for how pathetic they all are.

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From: NewLib | Posted: 5/24/2005 2:27:39 PM | Message Detail
HM, there is a difference. Sigma versus Ghaleon is comparing two characters from two completely different genres and two completey different fanbase. Ken versus Bison isnt.
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From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 5/24/2005 2:27:43 PM | Message Detail
You were so convinced that the stats were good enough to dictate that Ghaleon > Sigma, regardless of how it looked,

No, I was just saying the stats could certainly be right. Not saying I would take it. I just thought your logic for saying that Sigma couldn't possibly lose to Ghaleon was ridiculous.
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From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 5/24/2005 2:27:53 PM | Message Detail
And I don't care for Sephiroth or Kuja either, don't get me wrong.

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From: Heroic_Cable | Posted: 5/24/2005 2:28:37 PM | Message Detail
Consitpated Ghaleon vs Woolverine Sigma. Who wins?
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From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 5/24/2005 2:30:52 PM | Message Detail
HM, there is a difference. Sigma versus Ghaleon is comparing two characters from two completely different genres and two completey different fanbase. Ken versus Bison isnt.

There most certainly is not. If he feels in one instance that the stats are accurate enough to dismiss how something looks, he shouldn't start questioning something else because it doesn't "seem right" or "feel right." Ken may win in a one-on-one poll due to SFF, but Bison being indirectly stronger than Ken certainly is not out of the realm of a possibility, assuming that Ken's 2003 value is correct, which I don't think it is. Telling me that Bison > Ken is reason to believe that Diablo will not beat Kefka or makes it less likely is simply laughable.

No, I was just saying the stats could certainly be right. Not saying I would take it. I just thought your logic for saying that Sigma couldn't possibly lose to Ghaleon was ridiculous.

And I find it equally as ridiculous that you would try to tell me that because Bison > Ken if Diablo beat Kefka, it stands less chance of happening.

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From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 5/24/2005 2:31:34 PM | Message Detail
so I don't possibly see why you would feel the need to bring up Bison > Ken on "looking right." If the stats say it is, there's no reason to immediately question them on how they look, is there?

Bison > Ken also has little to do with "looking right." Just from all that I've seen from the Street Fighter fanbase anywhere, there has been nothing to indicate that Bison would be more popular than Ken. It's more gauging the fanbase than "looking right."
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From: NewLib | Posted: 5/24/2005 2:33:08 PM | Message Detail
Well look at it this way. Who beats Kefka? Sephiroth? Isn't a villian Hojo then? No Ultimet.. hahahaha Kuja? No Sin/Seymour/Whoever else you put here? No Ex-Death? hahahahaha Zeromus might actually be second.
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From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 5/24/2005 2:33:19 PM | Message Detail
And I find it equally as ridiculous that you would try to tell me that because Bison > Ken if Diablo beat Kefka, it stands less chance of happening.

No, I'm not being like you and saying there's absolutely no way it would happen. I'm saying I don't buy it right now, and I don't see any reason to consider Diablo the favorite to beat Kefka based on this performance either. If Bison does turn out to be stronger than Ken, that's fine. I'm not saying it's impossible. I just don't believe it, even with what we've seen so far.
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From: NewLib | Posted: 5/24/2005 2:34:07 PM | Message Detail
How can we judge Bison > Ken yet at all. There are no stats for Bison,
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From: Heroic_Cable | Posted: 5/24/2005 2:34:07 PM | Message Detail
Necron beats Kefka and every other FF Villian.
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From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 5/24/2005 2:34:25 PM | Message Detail
Bison > Ken also has little to do with "looking right." Just from all that I've seen from the Street Fighter fanbase anywhere, there has been nothing to indicate that Bison would be more popular than Ken. It's more gauging the fanbase than "looking right."

There are other instances where we've seen the fanbase prefer one character, but the other being the stronger of the two. And he may not be more popular than Ken in a direct poll, but indirectly it is certainly a possibility that he would be stronger than Ken's 2003 value. Whether or not that ultimately means stronger than Ken has yet to be seen; we've had reason to believe that isn't where Ken actually rests.

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From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 5/24/2005 2:35:25 PM | Message Detail
There are other instances where we've seen the fanbase prefer one character, but the other being the stronger of the two.

Where, exactly?
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From: NewLib | Posted: 5/24/2005 2:35:41 PM | Message Detail
Oh please. Dont even give me that. Garland and Kuja are more of the main villians than Necron is.
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From: Heroic_Cable | Posted: 5/24/2005 2:36:09 PM | Message Detail
Wesker/Nemesis for one.
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From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 5/24/2005 2:36:47 PM | Message Detail
We really can't say that right now, can we?
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From: Phediuk | Posted: 5/24/2005 2:37:26 PM | Message Detail
From the last topic:

Phediuk, the most popular boss in the Metroid series is Ridley, and even if by some miracle Mother Brain ranks ahead of him in the stats, it won't mean anything to me. You can't call Metroid a cult series one day and then a statement like that the next day. It leads me to believe that you don't know much about the series.

Yes, because having owning and having beaten every game iin the series multiple times, as well as giving a detailed account of all of Ridley's appearances (check the last topic), really indicates that I know nothing about the series.

Please, do test my knowledge.
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