First Diablo close to Bowser is crazy.

It is certainly something that can very well happen. Diablo isn't going to be a weakling by any means.

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“But though we strike at you from the shadows, do not think that we lack the courage to stand in the light.”
- Zeratul

Mark my words:

M. Bison will wipe the floor with Diablo. I'm calling a minimum of 55%.

...Please?

The blood already rushed out of my face when I saw him beat Ridley. If he manages to squeak by Bison, I think I'm going to have a cardiac arrest.

Here's hoping that Ridley is a piece of crap, Albedo has a hint of strength, and that Mother Brain overperformed against Lavos. >_>
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Umm, sure... it can happen, but I wouldn't bet the farm.
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The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing over half of the brackets that Ridley could win. - Harrich

I wouldn't jump out and say that it's unlikely either.

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“But though we strike at you from the shadows, do not think that we lack the courage to stand in the light.”
- Zeratul

"Here's hoping that Ridley is a piece of crap,"

Regardless of what the rabid Metroid fanboys will tell you I'm still willing to bet that MB > RIdley so he may very well be crap.
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The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing over half of the brackets that Ridley could win. - Harrich

Why do I get the feeling the only reason you think Diablo will be strong is that it makes Ridley strong in the process?
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"You can't hide from the Grim Reaper. Especially when he's got a gun" - Manny Calavera

I can't speak on the issue. As someone who's never played a Metroid game, I assumed Mother Brain was the main villain in the series.

Never even heard of Ridley before ><
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L I T T L E M O N E Y

Diablo isn't going to be a weakling by any means.

Wow, you've done a complete 180 from what you were saying BEFORE Ridley/Diablo. :P
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I cannot see Ridley being anything below equal to Mother Brain.


And the loss of my chance at winning, doesn't have me trying to piece together things that would make Diablo weak. I think it is rather apparent that he's going to be strong; strong enough to take this division without any trouble and rank high in the process. He should be a legitimate Summer Contest entry and he could take out a lot of people in the process...

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“But though we strike at you from the shadows, do not think that we lack the courage to stand in the light.”
- Zeratul

"I cannot see Ridley being anything below equal to Mother Brain."

You look through rose-colored glasses with fanboy eyes.
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The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing over half of the brackets that Ridley could win. - Harrich

Diablo being close to Bowser puts Ridley too close to Yoshi for me to like, and above Luigi, which is a HUGE stretch.
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SpC2k5: 22/24 Next up: Kefka, Ridley >_>, Ganondorf, Robotnik
*is Janus5000*

Wow, you've done a complete 180 from what you were saying BEFORE Ridley/Diablo. :P

That's rather obvious. If I continue to assume that it wasn't Ridley's weakness, but Diablo's strength instead, there's nothing wrong with it. And once Diablo beat Ridley, I was merely attempting to claim that both were very weak in an effort to make the Bison pick look better. At this point, nothing in my bracket matters so I'm simply going with my initial thought from before the process: Ridley isn't going to be crap.

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“But though we strike at you from the shadows, do not think that we lack the courage to stand in the light.”
- Zeratul

You look through rose-colored glasses with fanboy eyes.

Certainly you wouldn't claim Metroid fanboyism, would you? =p

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“But though we strike at you from the shadows, do not think that we lack the courage to stand in the light.”
- Zeratul

and above Luigi, which is a HUGE stretch.

Because it doesn't look right?

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“But though we strike at you from the shadows, do not think that we lack the courage to stand in the light.”
- Zeratul

Would you pick Ridley over Luigi? I wouldn't.
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SpC2k5: 22/24 Next up: Kefka, Ridley >_>, Ganondorf, Robotnik
*is Janus5000*

I have said I would from the very beginning.

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“But though we strike at you from the shadows, do not think that we lack the courage to stand in the light.”
- Zeratul

Sorry something in my logic meter is telling me that Diablo over Auron and Sora does not compute. This isnt Starcraft and dont even pretend that Diablo is as loved as Starcraft is. And the best example I can use is these stats would make Diablo > Zelda which is an impossibilty in my mind.
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"You can't hide from the Grim Reaper. Especially when he's got a gun" - Manny Calavera

I've been thinking Mother Brain >= Ridley for the entire contest. Here's to it being true.

But... then again, I wouldn't take Mother Brain over Luigi either... something's awry with those "sequences of close matches". I wish Ganondorf and Magus had non SFF matches last year like Tidus did. I'm sure they would've had a noticeable drop as well.
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Obviously there was some SFF factor between Lavos and Mother Brain

WGF factor! lolol
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L I T T L E M O N E Y

I wouldn't take Ridley over Luigi either; Luigi is bound to be closer to Mario than Ridley is to Samus, and I believe voters would side with Luigi before they side with Ridley if there were to be any SFF in a head-to-head match (which I doubt would occur, but just in case).
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"What awaits each person in Heaven is eternal peace, divine rest, and $10,000." --Cartman

If Diablo does as well as I hope he does I will be one happy camper.
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"Life...Dreams...Hope...Where'd they come from? And where are they headed...? These things...I'm going to destroy!" -Kefka

And I dont even care if Diablo does get 65% on Bison, I wont believe Diablo to be that strong until he breaks 44.5% on Gannon.
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"You can't hide from the Grim Reaper. Especially when he's got a gun" - Manny Calavera

I'm assuming you're using 2004 stats. There's a good chance he falls in between the 2 from 2003 but probably closer to Auron's side. A quarter or even a little more does sounds about right.

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Spring Contest 2k5 Score X Potential: 22/24 X 76/80
Next Pick: Kefka/ Next Vote: Kefka

I would halt myself at Auron, but I find myself wanting to take Diablo over Sora in an actual contest.

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“But though we strike at you from the shadows, do not think that we lack the courage to stand in the light.”
- Zeratul

I would halt myself at Auron, but I find myself wanting to take Diablo over Sora in an actual contest.

Thanks for the quick summary.
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Spring Contest 2k5 Score X Potential: 22/24 X 76/80
Next Pick: Kefka/ Next Vote: Kefka

Ridley over Luigi?

No way in hell. HM, you're letting your Metroid obsession get in the way of common sense.

Ridley is just a guy you fight periodically in the games, whose appearance is radically different throughout the series, and is only actually named in Prime and Zero Mission. This assures that almost anyone who isn't a big fan of the series won't recognize him.

Luigi is almost as well-known as Mario, the most famous video game character of all time. If you've heard of the Big M, you've heard of his brother. End of story.

Of course, I know this type of argument always leads to someone bringing up Pac-Man and Lara Croft, to which I say: they're in a slump. They haven't had a good game in ages. Luigi is not in a slump, seeing as how 95% of the Mario games are great, and they're released on a regular basis.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Phediuk, that argument sounds familiar. Oh wait it was used in 2003, before Squall crushed Luigi.

I still think Luigi > Ridley and have a hard time bitting on Diablo > Dante/Tidus, but the argument doesnt really work.
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"You can't hide from the Grim Reaper. Especially when he's got a gun" - Manny Calavera

Keep in mind that Auron is the SFF'd-by-Sephiroth Auron; we still don't have a clue of how truly strong he is.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Dr. Robotnik
"What awaits each person in Heaven is eternal peace, divine rest, and $10,000." --Cartman

No way in hell. HM, you're letting your Metroid obsession get in the way of common sense.

The only way I would feel compelled to side with Luigi is due to SFF favoring him over Ridley, which I could certainly see. But him being indirectly stronger, I have absolutely no problem with.

Luigi is almost as well-known as Mario, the most famous video game character of all time. If you've heard of the Big M, you've heard of his brother. End of story.

Yet there is a significant gap between Mario and Luigi despite the claim that Luigi is almost as well-known as Mario. In fact, Luigi would have plenty of trouble with the people around him like Vercetti, KOS-MOS, and Knuckles. All people that Mario would dispose of with ease. Luigi may be well-known, but that doesn't equate in strength, as you can see.

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“But though we strike at you from the shadows, do not think that we lack the courage to stand in the light.”
- Zeratul

That reminds me, what was the deal with Ness being moved up along with Jak because of Auron? I forgot all the details on that one, anyone care to give me a little summary?

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“But though we strike at you from the shadows, do not think that we lack the courage to stand in the light.”
- Zeratul

Well if Auron did get SFFd, Ness, Jak, and Scorpion would all be underestimated as well.
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"You can't hide from the Grim Reaper. Especially when he's got a gun" - Manny Calavera

Phediuk, that argument sounds familiar. Oh wait it was used in 2003, before Squall crushed Luigi.

Tell me what the similarity between Squall, the star of one of the most popular games on the site, and Ridley, a recurring boss with no dialogue and is only named in two of his games and has his appearance changed with every game (and is in a semi-niche series to begin with), is, exactly.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

None, I just said that was the argument people used. It doesnt work.
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"You can't hide from the Grim Reaper. Especially when he's got a gun" - Manny Calavera

before Squall crushed Luigi.

Not exactly the same thing. Ridley's no Squall. Squall's the focal point of FF8. Ridley has around 15 minutes screen time combined throughout the series. I'll say it again, there are no villains in Metroid that can perform up to the "hero/villain" relationship with respect to Samus. They just don't get enough screen time.
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The Metroid franchise on GameFAQs is not in any way, shape, or form a "semi-niche" series.

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“But though we strike at you from the shadows, do not think that we lack the courage to stand in the light.”
- Zeratul

...Except this is a different situation.

Squall is infinitely more well-known and popular than Ridley.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Since Auron is almost certainly SFF'd by Sephiroth, we look for a way to adjust his four-pack. Jak is new and Ness was SFF'd in 2k3, so adjusting Auron by Scorpion 2k3 (or even Tails 2k4) boosts them up noticably.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Dr. Robotnik
"What awaits each person in Heaven is eternal peace, divine rest, and $10,000." --Cartman

You are a fanboy of many things, Metroid being one. Frankly, it's far too possible for Ridley to be weak. I know, I've heard you talk on end about how he's really the main villain in the whole thing... but that's not the general perception. Casual guy walks onto Gamefaqs and sees MB he says "hmm, the final boss of metroid" he sees Ridley and he's "do I know that guy, dragon, thing". I know I can't really convince you, but as far as the casuals are concerned Ridley isn't the main villain, period. He's a behind the scenes guy, and Ocelot has shown us that being behind the scenes isn't going to get you as far, regardless of what strings you may pull.
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The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing over half of the brackets that Ridley could win. - Harrich

Actually Auron getting SFFd does sort of make sense stat wise. Scorpion took a fall in 2k4 after being consistant to a T in 2k2/2k3. Also Ness could of been SFFd by Bowser is 2k3. Only problem is I dont know if I buy Auron being stronger than Squall.
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"You can't hide from the Grim Reaper. Especially when he's got a gun" - Manny Calavera

Do you remember, an estimate, on where that put Ness? I seem to remember agreeing a lot with the placement of those three after Auron's SFF adjustment, whoever was the person to adjust it...

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“But though we strike at you from the shadows, do not think that we lack the courage to stand in the light.”
- Zeratul

The Metroid franchise on GameFAQs is not in any way, shape, or form a "semi-niche" series.

I love how you completely ignore the rest of my post. That was an unimportant fact, seeing as how it was in parantheses and all.

Besides, FFVIII is still much, much more popular than any of the Metroid games on this site. This cannot be debated.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

I didnt say Luigi would not beat Ridley! I think he would. I just said that Luigi should be popular because he is basically a green version of Mario doesnt hold up.
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"You can't hide from the Grim Reaper. Especially when he's got a gun" - Manny Calavera

Awesome! Only two hours till we see Diablo lay the wood to Bison. Then Diablo will pull the ultimate cinderella and drop Kefka off the face of this contest.

Who's with me???
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Teenage love was underground...
...tonight I break the surface.

Right now Wesker is a prime example of how being behind the scenes can make you weak. Another great example from what I can tell is ansem, although I've only heard he's behind the scenes, since I've never actually played KH before.
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I like Ridley more, but MB is the final boss of Metroid as far as I'm concerned. As a casual fan of the Metroid series (though I think SM is over-rated to hell), I think Ridley has no story worth noting about him as well.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Dr. Robotnik
"What awaits each person in Heaven is eternal peace, divine rest, and $10,000." --Cartman

Ridley has had multiple appearances throughout the Metroid titles, appearing in all but two, and is almost always the most talked about boss fight after the games are completed. Hell, he's even the final boss in the recent Metroid: Zero Mission. I certainly don't find it a stretch that Ridley would be strong. Having dialogue, personality, or anything like that is not required in having strength. And the Metroid franchise at GameFAQs isn't one that is completely unknowning or lacking in a fanbase. This is the one place where I would expect Metroid to be most popular.

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“But though we strike at you from the shadows, do not think that we lack the courage to stand in the light.”
- Zeratul

I'd like to add though that it wouldn't surprise me if Ridley = or > MB. I just don't expect Diablo to be strong enough to nearly double Bison, I still think he's going to win with a comfortable lead.
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Besides, FFVIII is still much, much more popular than any of the Metroid games on this site. This cannot be debated.

Please, by all means, give me evidence that FF8 would beat every Metroid game. Because I do not believe that second.

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“But though we strike at you from the shadows, do not think that we lack the courage to stand in the light.”
- Zeratul

Well who would you take FFVIII or FFX?
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"You can't hide from the Grim Reaper. Especially when he's got a gun" - Manny Calavera