Viewtiful Joe might not have been a good example. I was trying to think of a post SNES-era game not from a big series, but that still was popular.
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Everything is relative, but there comes a point where anyone in the industry would laugh at something being labeled "cult".

In terms of sales and media coverage and gamer awareness, Metroid is in no way close to being cult.
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Can we forget about Phediuk's idiotic comments for now and move on to something else? Like how Wesker's doom is imminent?

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Well, Viewtiful Joe has cult-like sales, though Capcom's trying to push it toward the mainstream.

Yeah, exactly. Metroid Prime 2: Echoes was not a "cult" game, it was more of a "flop" (no offense to fans). Some games (Disgaea being a pretty obvious example) are marketed towards a niche. Others are marketed towards a large audience, and simply fail.

Though I would say the Viewtiful Joe is mostly a cult game, because of the characteristics of its fanbase.
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Kefka might only get mid 50's here, if Luca did suffer SFF. It will be interesting to see how he does.
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Metroid Prime 2: Echoes was not a "cult" game, it was more of a "flop" (no offense to fans)

;_;

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I'm more anxious for Ganon's demolition of Ansem. <3

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I think this is where we're collidin' with different viewpoints; I consider DW cult as anything, for example). Also, before FF7, the only RPG I had ever tried to play was the original FF, and I both despised it and came up short when I looked for anybody else who had played it before back then. They may be the most popular of the RPGs, but if they were before FF7, then I can't help but consider them pretty cult regardless of their status. I'd guess CT and FF3/6 are the two most likely for me to be wrong on, but they were still widely unrecognized by many (I would guess that no more than two out of every five people who consider themselves to not be complete stereotypical casual players will have heard of CT or FF3/6, though that's not provable and is just a guess).

Again though, I think we have different viewpoints on the guide-lines for a game to be cult.
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An RPG doesn't have to do as well as FF7 to be mainstream. And if any game brought RPGs into the mainstream, it would be Pokemon, THEN FF7.

...and Dragon Warrior is not cult. >_<

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If you were around back then, you wouldn't think Dragon Warrior or Final Fantasy were cult. They were very well known and highly promoted, and always ranked high in the Nintendo Power rankings.

Dragon Warrior/Quest as a series has become cult in the US, but the original wasn't.
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Last comment, then I'll move on and drop this arguement: I don't think games named after franchises like TMNT can be cult unless their sales were utter and total ****.

Now...Wesker's goin' down and losin' hard; I think he's gonna do just a lil' worse than Mithos.
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Dragon Warrior/Quest as a series has become cult in the US, but the original wasn't.

The original Dragon Warrior can be found everywhere, and it even had a TV commercial. And while the series has faded in popularity in America, it still outsells Final Fantasy in Japan.

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Nope, I'm saying Kefka's position in the 2004 stats is wrong. He's getting around 60% tomorrow.
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Heh, I was around, but I don't recall ever seeing those games at my rental stores and the original FF kinda turned me off from them for awhile. Plus, I got a Genesis instead of a SNES, so that likely played a part in it too.
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Okay Nit-Picky.... take out TMNT and put in Double Dragon. Now what? :P
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I actually just remembered a Dragon Warrior cartoon that came on Saturday mornings. It was probably the first anime I ever heard of, though back then I didn't know what anime was (I don't know whether I even realized the cartoon was imported back then).

I never woke up early enough to watch it though. I remember wanting to see it real bad, but I only saw like one episode.
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I always remember watching the Mario cartoon and the Zelda cartoon.

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Touche, mnm. Touche.
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I remember watching Sailor Moon and the Mario cartoon when I was in middle school. Those were the days.
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It's because Samus had an awesome move-set in SSB, HM. She was the most fun for me to play... many of the characters were aggrivating to control (Yoshi, Ness), the rest were typically boring (Mario, Link).
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After using Ness, I find controlling anyone else to be aggravating. :P

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After using Ness, I find controlling anyone else to be aggravating. :P

Bingo; it was bad enough for me that I almost couldn't get myself to enjoy SSBM...then I found Sheik, and all has been well ever since.
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But... but... I liked Link in SSB. ;_;

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I was able to get used to SSBM. Mewtwo is my main in SSBM. But in SSB, I can't stand using someone other than Ness.

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I'm sorry, but did someone call Double Dragon cult? Cause I swear they don't make bad movies after cult video games.

Oh, and I didn't dislike those characaters. I love Link, but in SSB he seemed boring to me, and I wanted to be good with Ness but I really didn't want to take the time to learn him since he is rather awkward.
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I don't even remember who I used in SSB before I got Ness on it, now that we're talkin' 'bout SSB...maybe Captain Falcon or Link? I'm not sure anymore; it's been years; I just know once I got Ness, I never turned back.
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Link will be top tier in SSBO. Then you will all fear! <.<

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Dollar says Waluigi makes it into SSBO...and another dollar says I make that scrawny Wario-wannabe ***** suffer, whether he's the Sheik or Pichu of SSBO. =)
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As a side-note, did anybody think Lavos/Liquid and Lavos/MB would have played out like this? Seing Lavos/Liquid being closer than Lavos/MB and seeing both of them be as close as they are surprises me.
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As a side-note, did anybody think Lavos/Liquid and Lavos/MB would have played out like this?

Yeah, Lavos' strength is surprising.

I guess maybe Chrono Trigger's fanbase is pretty loyal, and will give all the major characters substantial support.
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I'm sorry, but did someone call Double Dragon cult? Cause I swear they don't make bad movies after cult video games.

You missed the whole convo. Someone said that Metroid was cult. Based on that, I was naming a bunch of games that would also be considered cult if Metroid was. Virtually all of the popular games that aren't from a big name series would be cult.

I actually liked using Luigi in SSB. I think he was a bit more powerful than in SSBM. Same for Kirby. I like using Link, but he is a tad slow. Thank god for the addition of Young Link in SSBM.... Also, there's no excuse for Wario NOT to be in the next SSB game. Other people I would look out for are Krystal, Diddy Kong, and possibly another Pokemon. And Captain Olimar, if Nintendo wants to add an obscure character....
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

As I recall, SMRPG sold ~2 Million copies in the US, more than every single non-Halo series Xbox game. Therefore, every Xbox game is cult. As is every PS2 non-Madden/GTA game. It also means that the PS2, despite having ~30 million sales in the US, only has ~10 million casual gamers, the other 20 million are cult gamers. It's good to know that there are more cult gamers than mainstream gamers.

I'd like to see Captain Olimar, King Dedede, Wario, and Ridley be in the next one...especially CO, even if I wasn't a big fan of Pikmin. His moveset would be VERY interesting.
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Luigi was vastly superior in SSB. Damn Melee, damn it to hell.

Oh, and for SSBO I'd like to see... umm... well, I just don't care that much :p
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If there is another playable Pokemon in the next SSB game, I would guess that it would be Deoxys or a Plusle+Minun group. I'd love to see a playable Tyranitar but it's a bit late at this point in time.
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Luigi gets points in my book for having a pose that hurts. Mad propz to that dawg.
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prepare yourself harrich...
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|| BtT 3:34.65 || HRC 37,592.3 ||

Holy crap. Lavos took out 7 perfects.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

Kefka 60% 24
Wesker 42.5% 17
TOTAL VOTES 40

53.12% had Liquid gettin' out of the division...kinda scary.
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Wesker had a 15-12 lead when I voted, but Kefka has been since tearing into him.

I'm going to guess that Wesker's initial lead was the bracket vote. He's gone.

~*ST*~
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Kefka is dominating.

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I'm prepared, heh. What I wasn't prepared for was seeing my name in the Top Fifty list. Hell yeah. =)
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Heh, I love how these perfects are dropping so easily on matches we'd never get wrong. I'd like to see how they handle the back-breakers that are comming in Ruin. Oh, and with the way they've been droping, I expect to see a lot fall with Ocelot/Bowser.
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Well, I didn't expected that many perfects to fall after yesterday's match.
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Current Match Prediction -- Kefka vs. Wesker
Spring 2005 Contest -- 23/24 points

kefka certainly is dominating the first 5 minutes of the match. but basically it looks like i get to decorate my sig with whatever you want. this is indeed a sad day for resident evil.
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|| BtT 3:34.65 || HRC 37,592.3 ||

Score-Brackets-% Right
22-----34-------79.4117647
21-----357------84.3137255
20-----1052-----73.0038023
19-----1971-----69.9137494
18-----3103-----63.1002256
17-----3649-----58.6187997
16-----3910-----52.8388747
15-----3601-----48.2921411
14-----2897-----45.2191923
13-----1789-----40.5813304
12-----1057-----35.0047304
11-----593------36.9308600
10-----300------28.0000000
9------154------25.9740260
8------87-------18.3908046
7------29-------10.3448276
6------29-------10.3448276

Nobody with a score of 5 or lower got the match correct. The -1's did best this time around with the perfects not too far behind. Chances are getting slimmer of seeing a perfect bracket at the end of things.

11 people fell off the Top 50 today. Ambivalentiowa, Spearfish_4Ever, AeroY2JNet, drock121, ShadowZero23523, KojimaFreak, leenarov, FreezeLancer, DrewBattousai, _Imaginary_ and UMDMarshtan did not have Liquid Snake winning this match.
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Kefka doing great so far.

A finish in the 60's is pretty assured I would say.
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Kefka's doing a lot better than I thought he would at the moment.
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"Life...Dreams...Hope...Where'd they come from? And where are they headed...? These things...I'm going to destroy!" -Kefka

Well Nemesis > Wesker is pretty much COMPLETELY official now. And it even looks like Nemesis is greater by quite a margin. Sad day for true Resident Evil fans everywhere.
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