Well Luigi has been in a game in the past 12 years. Unless Super Metroid love is much higher than I thought it was, it doesnt make much sense.
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Mother Brain was in Metroid: Zero Mission on the GBA, a game released within the past 12 years. But Luigi is not a character who is something that is the cut off point for every other Nintendo character. I see nothing wrong about Mother Brain being ahead of Luigi. If Luigi is just suppose to be above all these other Nintendo characters, why is Mario, the icon, behind Samus? If Samus could beat Mario, I don't see why it is such a stretch to think that Ridley or Mother Brain could beat Luigi. Hell, I've said since the beginning that Ridley would rank near Luigi.

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Well, Samus beat Sonic with virtually only Super Metroid to speak of as a major title... then again, Mother Brain is the kind of villain few should even care about. Of course, Master Hand falls into that category, and look where that got him.
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Tis, he was referring to Mother Brain, who's only been in Zero Mission.
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If HM is right about Ridley=Luigi...

Diablo is to be watched if more sites start to back his cause.
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I think there's a great number of people who at least know and recognize Mother Brain from the previous Metroid titles. I can understand completely how people shouldn't really care for Mother Brain, but the other factors play a role -- and there's bound to be people who genuinely like her.

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Well, Diablo definitely looks like the heavy favorite to take the division as of now. It's not the fact that Kefka and Bison have their work cut out for them, but rather the fact that Ridley has to be absolutely pitiful for Diablo to lose to someone else than Ganondorf.
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heh, i wonder what the winning scores in the Top 50 would be if Diablo squeaked his way past Ganondorf.

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HM, honestly, would you put Mother Brain over Luigi if they were to meet?
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From: cyko | Posted: 5/22/2005 8:48:38 PM | #361
heh, i wonder what the winning scores in the Top 50 would be if Diablo squeaked his way past Ganondorf.

Starcraft 2004 would look like a huge favorite compared to the prediction percentages this would get.

Either way, Diablo can realistically rank 5th as of now. After that we NEED him into a real character battle, and not as Cloud's first round opponent either. And we need Kerrigan, too. And maybe even Zeratul, though now we're digging pretty far, I think.
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Kerrigan certainly needs to be there, but Zeratul is pushing it.

Oh, and I want Ridley back in the Summer Contest...

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It's going to be a long shot if Mother Brain ranks ahead though. Think of it. Even if the company cap were raised to 15, Metroid villains would probably have no place there.
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Yeah; we'd likely see Mewtwo, Zelda, Fox, Wario, and Master Hand this Summer Contest before we see Ridley or Mother Brain in there; what with first round losses and disappointments for all, I think it's gonna be alot harder to get nominations goin' for them now again, especially enough to crack the cap if there is one again.
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we'd likely see Mewtwo, Zelda, Fox, Wario, and Master Hand

Which is rather digusting considering that only one of them is going to be stronger.

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Ganondorf is so very otherwise uninspiring.

He really isn't. He's an incredible villain, much moreso than almost everyone in this contest.

Oh, man. You've said some outrageous things, HM, but this is definitely takes the cake.

Ganondorf? An incredible villain? Let's look at his history throughout the series.

*spoilers*

The Legend of Zelda: He's the big blue guy at the end. Zero dialogue, personality, or characterization beyond being evil.

A Link to the Past: He has what, two lines at the end? "I can't believe you've come this far! Now, I'm going to kick your ass."

Ocarina of Time: He's evil. That's it. You aren't meant to sympathize for him, he doesn't appear to have motive besides greed, and he doesn't have any personality besides "Gwa ha ha! You can never defeat me!"

Oracle of Seasons/Oracle of Ages: He's the brainless final boss at the end.

Wind Waker: This is the only game in the series that even attempts to develop Ganondorf. He tells Link in a concise matter that wind always brought death to his people...and that's about it. I'm predicting that HM will come in and tell me that this is the most incredible characterization he has ever seen and how Ganondorf is really a good guy and is completely sympathetic, selfless, and compassionate, etc.

He's not. In fact, Ganondorf is one of the most stale, worthless villains in video game history, and I can only hope that Nintendo will replace him with someone better in Twilight Princess. Though, considering how generic Zelda bad guys tend to be, that isn't saying much.
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Ideally, anti-MH bias aside, I'd have:

Mario, Bowser, Yoshi, Luigi
Link, Ganondorf, Zelda
Samus
Kirby
DK
Fox
Ness
Mewtwo
Master Hand

15th character I don't know. We could have Wario (not a good idea, what with 4 other Mario characters), Mother Brain, Ridley or a complete rookie like Falcon. Speaking of which, I don't think the racing genre was ever featured in any contest, right?
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Zelda's obviously what you meant, but I'd also take Fox over Ridley. I'd be tempted to put Wario and/or Master Hand over him too, though I won't say for sure 'til we see how Diablo and Robotnik finishes. Mewtwo'd just be lucky to beat Max Payne though.
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Much to my delight, Ganondorf is coming back in TP. What's-his-name said so in thinly veiled terms.
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I'd like to see either Falcon or Falco in a contest some time. As for the racing genre, do you count Mario Kart games? You've got your answer.
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Ganondorf is bad-ass in my eyes. As far as character, eh, he's not much to brag on I don't think, but my three favorite character are Mega Man/Knuckles/Link, so it's not like character's super-duper important for me to like.
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If I counted Mario Kart, I'd have to count Sonic Drift and stuff like that as well.

What I meant was, either a racing game or a PREDOMINANTLY racing character, like Falcon. Although I bet he's like Ness in that he gets a huge fraction of whatever strength he possesses from SSB.
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A Link to the Past: He has what, two lines at the end? "I can't believe you've come this far! Now, I'm going to kick your ass."

Phailure.
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So no's your answer to your question then; at least, as far as I know of anyways. Unless there was a racing mode in Super Monkey Ball.....
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Would anyone take Falco over Fox? I sure would. Falco definitely has attitude and about the same amount of character as Fox (though I haven't played SFA, so correct me if I'm wrong). To boot, they're also both in SSBM, so any possible advantage is practically cancelled out (I say 'practically' because Fox was in the original SSB but Falco was not).
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, CT > SSBM here, but SSB is also on its side...

You mind telling me why that matters? Master Hand is the exact same thing in both games.
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Oh, man. You've said some outrageous things, HM, but this is definitely takes the cake.

I fail to see how saying that Ganon is an incredible villain is "outrageous," especially since it is the truth.

The Legend of Zelda: He's the big blue guy at the end. Zero dialogue, personality, or characterization beyond being evil.

Obviously. The Legend of Zelda, as a whole game, didn't exactly feature an abundance of dialogue. It was focused purely around gameplay, but it isn't as though any characters of this time were dripping with personality or dialogue.

A Link to the Past: He has what, two lines at the end? "I can't believe you've come this far! Now, I'm going to kick your ass."

Well, it is true that Ganon's dialogue in A Link to the Past wasn't abundant -- just like in LoZ. But this game did a far better job of giving you insight on Ganon through other means. He is described a very powerful person who overtook the Golden Land corrupted it in a "cloud of darkness." And not satisified with merely having what was dubbed the "Dark World" he used Agahnim as a pawn to break the seals of the Seven Wise Men. Throughout each game what you know about him and what he does becomes more and more talked about. He's always described as a powerful person who is capable of beating just about anybody.

Ocarina of Time: He's evil. That's it. You aren't meant to sympathize for him, he doesn't appear to have motive besides greed, and he doesn't have any personality besides "Gwa ha ha! You can never defeat me!"

Ocarina of Time touched upon Ganon's background. You are told that he is the one male born every 1,000 years into the Gerudo Tribe. This also coincides with ALttP talking about him being a King of Thieves. But while Ganon had nothing for you to feel empathy toward him, he did bring a destructive presence. In a matter of seven short years, he had conquered Hyrule entirely. Every prominent figure had been affected in some way and he had brought a veil of darkness upon the land. The once lively Hyrule Market was turned into a permanent dark, dreary, zombie filled area. He turned the lush area of Hyrule Castle into a floating moat filled with lava below -- making reaching him impossible. And, of course, he manages to snatch Zelda in an attempt to gather the Triforce of Wisdom, which would give him two of the three pieces.

Oracle of Seasons/Oracle of Ages: He's the brainless final boss at the end.

Well, his role in OoA/OoS wasn't large to beign with. You could only face him through linking the two games together.

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Wind Waker: This is the only game in the series that even attempts to develop Ganondorf. He tells Link in a concise matter that wind always brought death to his people...and that's about it. I'm predicting that HM will come in and tell me that this is the most incredible characterization he has ever seen and how Ganondorf is really a good guy and is completely sympathetic, selfless, and compassionate, etc.

In The Wind Waker, it is explained entirely why Ganon did what he did in Ocarina of Time. He always wanted to live in the bright, happy country of Hyrule. Instead, he was forced to live in a gritty, death encompassed desert. The comment about the wind always bringing death to his people fit perfectly with how much it played part throughout the game itself. He had lived with suffering and pain all his life. So, he then began to give Hyrule a taste of what he was forced to live through. You had to feel empathy toward him, there was a reason too. After his speech, I wanted Ganon to get the Triforce and make his wish. It showed that Ganon had more depth to him than at first glance and was the best portrayal of him we've seen. I can only hope that Nintendo furthers his character like this in Twilight Princess. And his quote after the final battle was simply amazing: "Ughnn... Heh heh... The wind... It is blowing..."

He's not. In fact, Ganondorf is one of the most stale, worthless villains in video game history, and I can only hope that Nintendo will replace him with someone better in Twilight Princess. Though, considering how generic Zelda bad guys tend to be, that isn't saying much.

Perhaps we see him in a completely different way. I view him as one of the greatest villains out there and easily one of two of my personal favorites in the contest. After TWW, it just doesn't make sense for people to bash Ganon as someone without personality or lacking in character. And it is confirmed that he will be Twilight Princess, where I hope that they continue to further his character along in the same manner they did with TWW, except in more detail.

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You mind telling me why that matters? Master Hand is the exact same thing in both games.

Different systems and generations...nothing you can't say about Ridley (except improved graphics). Plus, for as popular of a game as SSB is, MH being identical to its surely-more-popular sequel shouldn't be a problem if we're just trying to cancel out Lavos' tiny role in CC.
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but I'd also take Fox over Ridley.

I wouldn't take Fox or any of the characters you mentioned over Ridley. Diablo is going to be strong enough to where Ridley should rest about where I put him. That's more than enough to beat the characters you mentioned.

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Well, Captain Falcon has been in far bigger games than EarthBound, along with the benefit of being in SSB/SSBM.

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Ridley could be pretty high in the stats, yeah, but I believe Diablo is gonna be noticably stronger by the time he faces Ganondorf (fully assuming he makes it there) than when he faced Ridley. I'm not saying Ridley is gonna be completely screwed up, but I think he's gonna be a lil' over-rated in the stats. Bison and Kefka have that risk too, though not so much, I think.

I'd still take Fox over Ridley though, seeing as how Fox has got three games, each on a different system, to his name (although only two's good, to be fair, heh). Then Fox has been in SSB/M too...and to finish it off, we haven't seen Fox in action since SF:Ass was released. I'm sure it didn't do wonders, per say, but that's icing on the cake as far as Fox beating Ridley goes. Even if Ridley's a bit ahead of Fox in the stats, between preferences and Ridley potentially being over-rated, I'll take Fox and not sweat over it.
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Ness > Falcon. There's not much of an explanation I can give as to why I think it, but that's who I'd pick.
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Plus, for as popular of a game as SSB is, MH being identical to its surely-more-popular sequel shouldn't be a problem if we're just trying to cancel out Lavos' tiny role in CC.

I wouldn't say either of them matters. I don't think Master Hand gets additional popularity for reprising the same role in two different games.
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I don't think Diablo is going to pickup any sort of strength like you're indicating. His position in the X-sts is going to be accurate enough not to question other characters being "overrated." Thinking he'd gain that type of strength as he goes along is rather crazy, if you ask me.

On the subject of Fox, you do realize that his 2003 value was something around 17%? He'd have to have a bunch of different things go his way in large to see an increase large enough to beat Ridley, going by him equalling Luigi's 2004 value. I seriously don't think he'd have nearly enough to beat Ridley based on Star Fox: Assault alone. It wasn't as though that game flew off the shelves.

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On the subject of Fox, you do realize that his 2003 value was something around 17%?

...you DO remember he was SFF'd by Link, right?
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I recall arguing that point and it not exactly being something that was a guarantee one way or the other.

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And assuming he did suffer SFF worth commenting on, it wouldn't have been large.

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Not to mention being underrated by the 2003 stats due to Mario vs. Cloud. Still, you've gotta wonder how significant the SFF was when he got tripled by pre-KH Cloud. You'd have to adjust him pretty close to Link in 2002 to get any significant amount of SFF.
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It wasn't as though that game flew off the shelves.

But did it fly off the Blockbuster shelves in the pre-release promotion?
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Link has SFF'd Ganon, Yoshi, and maybe Samus and/or Mario (depending on your stance there). There's no way he didn't SFF Fox; now, how much he was SFF'd, that could make for good debate (especially since his 2k2 numbers aren't 100% promised either), but there should be no question that basing Fox off of his match with Link is wrong wrong wrong.
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Plus, about SF:Ass not selling like crazy; it was still the most anticipated game a month or two ago (I think a PotD had it in March asking what game you were most looking forward to). It may not have done much, but I don't think much is necessary for him to beat Ridley either.
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There's a difference between SFF worth talking about and then SFF that can simply be ignored for how minor it would have been. In this case, I'm suspecting the latter for Fox. He would not be much higher than that 17% value in 2003, certainly not enough to take on the likes of Luigi or Ridley, if he ranks near it. And bringing up SSBM or whatever just seems rather worthless to me. The only characters you should ever bring that up for are those that don't have popular games outside of that appearance.

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Lavos has just won an update. I don't think he's done that since the first hour or so of the match.
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Also, if you want to make the assumption that 2002 Alucard = 2003 Alucard = 2004 Alucard (probably stretching it there), that means that he should've gotten 32% on Sephiroth in 2003, which is more than he got in 2002 on Cloud.
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