Claiming otherwise is just foolish.

On the contrary, claiming it did help Samus significantly is just being stupid. Yes, it did help Ness out a lot, but that is because the popularity of his game was nothing compared to Metroid.

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I'm not saying that Samus was a household name or that Metroid was as popular as Mario. But if you didn't know Samus before that, it isn't as though everyone else is just like you. On the same note, I don't expect everyone to be like me and know of Metroid as early as the NES. But the games did sell millions back in the NES and SNES days, which suggests to me that more than enough people knew of her. Add to that, that Crono had all of his strength from a SNES game and I fail to see where the stretch is that Samus is not significantly popular due to her own games pre-Metroid Prime. Yes, SSB/SSBM had an affect, but people thinking it played a large role are out of their minds. Metroid was not an unknown franchise, or "cult," back in the day.

Are you joking? The definition of a "cult series" fits the Metroid games like a glove. Maybe a bit bigger than your average cult series, but they aren't exactly blockbusters. Just look at the series' abysmal Japanese sales, for God's sake.
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By that logic, the X-Box is a cult system. After all, look at it's Japanese sales figures.

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I don't understand why people are treating SSB and SSBM like they aren't real games. Except for Mario and Link, who are about as popular as they can possibly be, nearly EVERYBODY in those games probably gained popularity throughout those games. Sure, they might be at different levels, but for someone to say that the games didn't have any effect is another thing entirely. Sure, no character is the main focus on the game, but the games are still extremely popular. These contests started in 2002, so we can't see how much of an effect they had. But trust me, I don't see why SSB and SSBM wouldn't do as much for a Fox or Samus as a Metroid Prime or SF:Adv or SF:Assault (lol I was gonna put SF:Ass...)
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Metroid cult? Huh???
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"It doesn't make sense given the popularity of Super Metroid."

Except that we know SM is badly outclassed by its contemporary Nintendo franchises here on GameFAQs, especially when compared to Prime, so it can only make sense that she did recieve significant bonuses for bieng in SSB/M even if that's by far not the primary source of hre strength.
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SSB/SSBM should be considered another game in each of the respective characters' series as far as popularity boosts go...
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

We're talking about games here, not systems. And the Xbox is still infinitely more well-known and popular than just the Metroid series in the US.

I'll go over all the traits of a cult game and see if they apply to Metroid.

Love-it-or-hate-it gameplay? Check.

Popular among hardcore gamers but virtually unknown to the mainstream crowd? Check.

A long hiatus between games that led to fans begging the company to make a sequel for years on end? Check.

Decent but not fantastic sales figures? Check.

One of the games is considered to be one the best games of all time among many who have played it, and is one of its system's most acclaimed games? Check.

The traits of a cult series are all there.
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lol I was gonna put SF:Ass...

I do it almost everytime, and never with shame.
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Popular among hardcore gamers but virtually unknown to the mainstream crowd? Check.

To be fair, I don't think the original Metroid was cult. Ever since then though, I believe the series fell from the public eye.
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"But if you didn't know Samus before that, it isn't as though everyone else is just like you."

I can't explain why, especially since I now dislike Smash Bros and love the type of game that the old Metroids (especially the best Metroid-clone ever, SotN) are, but I didn't care for Samus until SSB. And yes, if you haven't caught it before, I played the Original Metroid back when it was fairly new. It was enjoyable, but it didn't give me much reason to care for Samus.
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We're talking about games here, not systems.

Sounds like a cop out to me.

Love-it-or-hate-it gameplay?

The same could be said for every game. I didn't like the gameplay of SMB3, myself. That just proves that no game is for everyone.

Popular among hardcore gamers but virtually unknown to the mainstream crowd? Check.

Wrong. Metroid Prime is one of the Gamecube's best selling games, and is one of the few titles on that system to sell over one million copies. By the way, people who don't know anything about video games other than Pac-Man, Mario, and Sonic is not the "mainstream crowd." With actual gamers, even casuals, Metroid is well known.

Decent but not fantastic sales figures? Check.

Echoes didn't do nearly as well as it deserved to, but Prime did great, as did Zero Mission.

A long hiatus between games that led to fans begging the company to make a sequel for years on end? Check.

Super Mario Sunshine was the same way. I assure you that the Mario series isn't cult.

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Decent but not fantastic sales figures? Check.

This criteria alone almost counters the argument that Metroid is a cult series. Cult games do not have decent sales numbers.
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I'm going to play PSOBB, but before I go I would like to remind HM that the reason he changed from Jak to Ness is because I reminded him of what SSB helped do for Samus in those years she didn't have a game. It's not the core of her fanbase, but it certainly lent a helping hand. Anyone who believes otherwise is, well, crazy.
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But my silent fears have gripped me, long before I reach the phone, long before my tongue has tripped me. Must I always be alone?

Cult games would be games like Disgaea and Panzer Dragoon Saga. The most popular "cult" game of all time is EarthBound, thanks mostly to emulation.

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The same could be said for every game. I didn't like the gameplay of SMB3, myself. That just proves that no game is for everyone.

Wrong. SMB3 is liked by the vast, vast majority of the people who have played it.

Just about everyone at my school who I know has played MP hated it, because they were expecting it to be a run-'n'-gun game like Halo.

Wrong. Metroid Prime is one of the Gamecube's best selling games, and is one of the few titles on that system to sell over one million copies. By the way, people who don't know anything about video games other than Pac-Man, Mario, and Sonic is not the "mainstream crowd." With actual gamers, even casuals, Metroid is well known.

Wrong. Casuals only care about Madden, Halo, and GTA. Casuals barely even know the GameCube exists.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Cult games don't even so much as sniff 7 digit sales figures.
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The most popular "cult" game of all time is EarthBound, thanks mostly to emulation.

I'd dare say Chrono Trigger if I knew the sales.....
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Just about everyone at my school who I know has played MP hated it, because they were expecting it to be a run-'n'-gun game like Halo.

That's their problem if they disliked the game because it wasn't what they wanted it to be. If this is what your friends think, get new friends.

Casuals barely even know the GameCube exists.

XD

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So your definition of cult is anything that isn't related to Halo, GTA, or Madden? Weird definition you've got right there Phediuk.
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I'd dare say Chrono Trigger if I knew the sales.....

Chrono Trigger isn't cult in any way. Trust me.

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Love-it-or-hate-it gameplay? Check.

Since when was this a trait of cult games specifically? And what's love it or hate it about the Metroid series??? I could see Metroid Prime being love-it-or-hate-it due to the switch to first person. But there was nothing to warrant that from the other Metroid games. They were no different from any other video games....

Popular among hardcore gamers but virtually unknown to the mainstream crowd? Check.

Metroid was unknown??? Since when? It may not be on Mario or Zelda levels, but they were indeed popular. Why else do you think Mother Brain was the main villain on Captain N??? You CANNOT be one of the top 5 most popular video game characters and be from a cult series.

A long hiatus between games that led to fans begging the company to make a sequel for years on end? Check.

And again, this is a cult trait how? You make it seem like Nintendo had no plans to use Samus after Super Metroid, which is apparently not the case. Nintendo always planned on releasing a Metroid game for Nintendo 64, but things didn't go their way between losing the battle with Sony, and trying to figure out how to transition Samus into 3D. Using this same logic, you might as well say that Donkey Kong was cult, since he didn't have a game between Donkey Kong Jr (or III) and Donkey Kong country.

Decent but not fantastic sales figures? Check.

So you have to have fantastic sales to not be cult? What about the thousands of other decent selling games. Is Contra cult? Would it make a game like Super Castlevania cult? TMNT IV? Again, sales may not be fantastic compared to Mario and Zelda, but Metroid was far from being cult in terms of sales. EARTHBOUND is cult... Metroid never was...

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Super Mario Sunshine was the same way. I assure you that the Mario series isn't cult.

What are you talking about? In between SM64 and SMS, about two billion other Mario games were released.

Off the top of my head:

Mario Kart 64
Mario Party
Mario Party 2
Mario Party 3
Mario Golf
Mario Tennis
Mario Golf (GBC)
Mario Tennis (GBC)
Super Mario Advance
Super Mario Advance 2
Super Mario Bros. Deluxe
Mario Kart Super Circuit
Dr. Mario 64
Paper Mario

And let's not forget SSB and SSBM. And Luigi's Mansion. I may even be forgetting a couple of games.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Phediuk's case is a simple one of not knowing the meaning of the terms "cult" and "casual gamer."

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What are you talking about?

You probably weren't old enough to use the internet at the time, but Nintendo fans were begging Nintendo for a Super Mario 64 sequel. I'm not talking about the spinoffs you mentioned: they wanted another modern platformer. They waited six years to get it.

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Chrono Trigger isn't cult in any way. Trust me.

Go up to a person in the street if they've ever heard of Chrono Trigger and there's a 99.9% chance they'll stare at you blankly. It's way more cult than Metroid.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Casuals only care about Madden, Halo, and GTA.

After seeing that, I don't think we even need to counter his arguments. On a site that Cloud and Sephiroth are 2 of the top 3 most popular characters and Master Hand is a force, he says the casual only cares about Madden, Halo, and GTA? I rest my case. And I have Johnny Cochran type confidence in saying so....
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Chrono Trigger sold over two million units in Japan alone, sport. It isn't cult.

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Are you joking? The definition of a "cult series" fits the Metroid games like a glove. Maybe a bit bigger than your average cult series, but they aren't exactly blockbusters. Just look at the series' abysmal Japanese sales, for God's sake.

What the hell? Since when do "cult" games sell millions with each and every release? It's absolutely ridiculous to call the Metroid series cult, because it is no such thing. Disgaea, EarthBound, and Skies of Arcadia strike as "cult," but Metroid is no such thing. And why in the world does it matter how Japanese sales are? Aside from the original Metroid, sales in Japan were never big. They always came from America.

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I haven't read all the points, but to be fair, I think there's a sizeable difference between the wait from Super Metroid to Metroid Prime than SM64 to SMS. I mean, Mario was in a ton of games, and granted they weren't platformers, but still, if there were similar outcries for a new game, I'm not sure how justified they were. ha, not to mention some might say that we're still waiting for the next mario...
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You probably weren't old enough to use the internet at the time, but Nintendo fans were begging Nintendo for a Super Mario 64 sequel. I'm not talking about the spinoffs you mentioned: they wanted another modern platformer. They waited six years to get it.

Ooooh...age insults. Better not get too mature there.

Besdies, the fact that they wanted another platformer is irrelevant. Ness and Samus didn't get anything but SSB and SSBM between their games, and of course, Ness still hasn't gotten one.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Phediuk, your definition of cult is absurd.
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Ooooh...age insults. Better not get too mature there.

You haven't given me any reason to treat you with respect yet.

Besdies, the fact that they wanted another platformer is irrelevant.

How so?

Ness and Samus didn't get anything but SSB and SSBM between their games, and of course, Ness still hasn't gotten one.

Outcries for a sequel are signs of a liked game, not a cult game.

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I had America in mind when I said CT was cult. It depends on HOW CASUAL you're goin' I think, but despite CT being much more generally liked and selling better, I don't think there's a big line drawn where you would know one and not the other in the US. This is in general though; here at GameFAQs, I know CT's anything but cult and EB's not bad off.
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Chrono Trigger sold over two million units in Japan alone, sport. It isn't cult.

Interesting that you should bring up CT's Japanese sales when you just used the Xbox's Japanese sales to debunk one of my previous arguments.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

We're talking about games here, not systems. And the Xbox is still infinitely more well-known and popular than just the Metroid series in the US.

The point you made was a poor one to begin with. You should never base a game's status based on how well or bad it does in Japan. That's absolutely ridiculous. If you're going to do that, his comment about the Xbox was a perfect one.

Love-it-or-hate-it gameplay? Check.

Since when is this solely exclusive to a "cult" title? A lot of games can feature a love it or hate it style of play.

Popular among hardcore gamers but virtually unknown to the mainstream crowd? Check.

Selling over a million with each release makes it unknown to the public? Please. I find it laughable that you're comparing games that are lucky to sell 200,000 copies to the Metroid series that has sold over 10 million copies as franchise to date.

A long hiatus between games that led to fans begging the company to make a sequel for years on end? Check.

The creator of Metroid, Gunpei Yokoi, left Nintendo shortly after the Virtual Boy. That was a prominent reason in why we didn't see any Metroid title between that time. Nintendo also had complications putting one on the N64.

Decent but not fantastic sales figures? Check.

Since when is over a million just "decent"?

One of the games is considered to be one the best games of all time among many who have played it, and is one of its system's most acclaimed games? Check.

A Link to the Past is cult?

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Ooooh...age insults. Better not get too mature there.

You haven't given me any reason to treat you with respect yet.

What, aside from debating with you respectfully and not resorting to petty insults?
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Interesting that you should bring up CT's Japanese sales when you just used the Xbox's Japanese sales to debunk one of my previous arguments.

I think you missed the points of those two examples and how they differed. He was saying that if something selling poorly in Japan = cult then XBox must be cult. This is somewhat different than saying that a game that sold 2,000,000 in Japan alone isn't cult. Both of his arguments were perfectly valid and not contradictory...

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Except that we know SM is badly outclassed by its contemporary Nintendo franchises here on GameFAQs, especially when compared to Prime, so it can only make sense that she did recieve significant bonuses for bieng in SSB/M even if that's by far not the primary source of hre strength.

Super Metroid getting beat down by the likes of A Link to the Past doesn't say anything about people not liking the game or not being as fond with it as others. Even Super Metroid's adjusted ranking looks too low to me. Excuse the fact that it ranked ahead of Metroid Prime in those very same stats. And it still does not make an ounce of sense to possibly assume that Samus received a significant boost from SSB/SSBM. With Ness there is perfect reason to believe so, but with Samus it is absolutely stupid to think such.

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You haven't given me any reason to treat you with respect yet.

That however, was out of line and unneccesary.

Heil Dweebenheimer!!! For I am MasterMage119!!!

I'm not sure where else CT was released, but the official Square report on game sales has 570,000 for outside Japan, and that doesn't include the sales of Chronicles.
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I can't explain why, especially since I now dislike Smash Bros and love the type of game that the old Metroids (especially the best Metroid-clone ever, SotN) are, but I didn't care for Samus until SSB. And yes, if you haven't caught it before, I played the Original Metroid back when it was fairly new. It was enjoyable, but it didn't give me much reason to care for Samus.

I haven't a clue why you would like her because of SSB yet not care for her because of Metroid. She didn't do anything for you to care about her in SSB that she didn't do in the original Metroid, or later on Super Metroid.

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I'm glad MM just spoke on both of those minor matters; I wanted to, but I'm reading through my annual right now.
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Love-it-or-hate-it gameplay? Check

That fits my personal favorite game just about as well as ANY other game you could name.
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Super Metroid getting beat down by the likes of A Link to the Past doesn't say anything about people not liking the game or not being as fond with it as others. Even Super Metroid's adjusted ranking looks too low to me. Excuse the fact that it ranked ahead of Metroid Prime in those very same stats. And it still does not make an ounce of sense to possibly assume that Samus received a significant boost from SSB/SSBM. With Ness there is perfect reason to believe so, but with Samus it is absolutely stupid to think such.


If you look at it as if Samus dropped because of not being in a game for years, but then jumped back up from her appearance in SSB and SSBM, it all seems fine to me...

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I don't even know if you can consider Skies of Arcadia cult.

Compared to Disgaea or Katamari Damacy, it seems pretty mainstream.

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Like I said, HaRRicH, among actual gamers, Chrono Trigger is not a cult game.

Interesting that you should bring up CT's Japanese sales when you just used the Xbox's Japanese sales to debunk one of my previous arguments.

Chrono Trigger has sold millions worldwide. It isn't a cult game just because you're out of touch with video games. I cited the X-Box as an example to prove that it isn't a cult system just because it's based in America, rather than Japan.

What, aside from debating with you respectfully and not resorting to petty insults?

Phediuk, everyone else in this topic thinks your thoughts on these matters are wrong and ridiculous. I haven't seen any reason to treat you respectfully because you pretend to know something about video games and their popularities when in truth, you don't know a damn thing. I don't resort to insults because you're losing this argument soundly without the insults. The insults are my attempt to get you to see the light.

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I don't even know if you can consider Skies of Arcadia cult.

I don't even think it sold a quarter of a million counting the GameCube port. Maybe not even 200,000.
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