and i agree that pics don't affect well-known characters as much as other characters, but i am still a firm beleiver that Wind Waker Link killed Link in 2K3 and using the adult Link in 2K4 accounted for much of his increase from 2K3 to 2K4.

Then I assume you also believe that Final Fantasy X is really the strongest game in Division 128 and just got gypped by the picture.
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Ganon.

This is still more of Sigma being weak than anything else. With a site linking for him, he barely beat Andross and still let him win some updates on him...now, that site isn't linking, and Sigma's completely getting his ass stomped. Andross will be a lil' under-rated in the stats because of this, althouh it won't matter much.

In a match, would you take Sigma or Tenpenny?
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Then I assume you also believe that Final Fantasy X is really the strongest game in Division 128 and just got gypped by the picture.

Why do you guys always try to bring up other cases when someone brings up WW Link vs. Adult Link? It's obviously a unique case. We've seen COUNTLESS people complain about how they don't like WW Link and even seen people say they voted Cloud over that Link as opposed to Adult Link. It's not that farfetched really.... It's a much different situation from saying that someone got more votes because they had a pic advantage in positioning of the pic, etc...

I happen to agree with cyko, but when I bring stuff like that I get jumped on. I've always been suspect about Bowser's strength. Have you guys noticed the characters that 2003 Cloud went up against? He pretty much beat everybody's ass that year. We've seen it in Auron and Sonic... I wouldn't be surprised if Bowser has been underrated by that match...
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It's obviously a unique case

A unique case considering people blame Link's underperformance on ONE match when he didn't seem to be affected by the rest that year despite having a Wind Waker picture for every one of them. I really don't buy that.
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A unique case considering people blame Link's underperformance on ONE match when he didn't seem to be affected by the rest that year despite having a Wind Waker picture for every one of them. I really don't buy that.

Based on who?
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Then I assume you also believe that Final Fantasy X is really the strongest game in Division 128 and just got gypped by the picture.

games are quite a bit different than characters when it comes to why someone would like them and you know it, Leon. =P

but, seeing how SSBM only won by 1500 votes, then sure, the picture could have swayed 750 voters. it's doubtful, but certainly not out of the realm of being a realistic possibilty.

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oh, and after today's match, now who would you take between Bowser and Ganondorf. ;)

Ganon. It isn't as though he's shown to be anything less impressive than what we've seen. And I fully expect him to perform better against Sephiroth than Bowser.

Maybe Ganon will, but this is Bowser's last match where he gets over 50%.

Ha ha! Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot that you think Ocelot will somehow pull a win out of his weak ass. =p

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“I definitely enjoy kicking ass more than taking names. I think the team at Nintendo would agree. I’ve done a lot of kicking ass.”

I'm pretty sure Megaman's underperformance against Link in 2004 was solely picture advantage. While there was a Pro-Megaman picture, you'd never recognize Megaman in that picture. Also, MM usually has picture advantage each round, so he loses votes if the pictures are merely equal.

All today proves is that Sigma is weak and Wily>>Sigma. Of course, we already knew that.

All today proves is that Sigma is weak and Wily>>Sigma. Of course, we already knew that.

well, we still don't know for sure that Wily is that much stronger than Sigma. it is likely, but we won't know for sure until Bowser's next match. for all we know, Ultros could be fodder and Wily could wind up even with Sigma.


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There's only one person to blame for Mega Man doing so bad against Link: Mega Man. I find it ridiculous that people must put some sort of factor with everything that doesn't go exactly how we expect it to. One thing that was very certain in that match was that Link beat the living hell out of Mega Man and just about everyone in the contest. But this is Link. If you were to ask me, there isn't a character in this contest who is going to touch Link for a long, long time.

But, really, Mega Man may have underperformed, but I'm not going to even think about blaming it on SFF or the picture.

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“I definitely enjoy kicking ass more than taking names. I think the team at Nintendo would agree. I’ve done a lot of kicking ass.”

personally, i liked Megaman's set of pictures for his Link match last year. i loved the one where he was exploding 16-bit Link. that was classic.

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Yeah. I didn't care for the Samus vs. Cloud pics though. Ceej should have let me do them. I would have placed Cloud's pic of him in his wheelchair in vegetable state due to Mako poisoning vs. that Samus pic.
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I brought it up a long time ago, but Nintendo of America's Perrin Kaplan confirmed that Twilight Princess will have a worldwide launch by the end of the year. Such a big title is fitting of such a thing.

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“I definitely enjoy kicking ass more than taking names. I think the team at Nintendo would agree. I’ve done a lot of kicking ass.”

For those that don't venture out of the topic much, Nintendo also stated that Metroid Prime 3 will be launched with the console, along with a brand-new franchise, a Mario title, and SSB Online. I'll be damned if Nintendo isn't trying to create the best damn launch ever seen.

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“I definitely enjoy kicking ass more than taking names. I think the team at Nintendo would agree. I’ve done a lot of kicking ass.”

I'm definitely getting a Revolution. I'm a college grad now, so pricing won't be a factor. I usually wait for prices to drop before I get a new system. But I REFUSE to get behind in the online factor with the way I got my ass handed to me in Halo 2 the other day! <_<
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Good. It would be even sweeter if they also had a good number of 3rd party titles during launch.
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Twilight Princess NEEDS a November 24 launch.
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For those that don't venture out of the topic much, Nintendo also stated that Metroid Prime 3 will be launched with the console, along with a brand-new franchise, a Mario title, and SSB Online. I'll be damned if Nintendo isn't trying to create the best damn launch ever seen.

Holy ****. Should they not spread themselves out too thin and rush this, I'm sold. Did they give any hint about the new franchise?
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Between the large fanbase sony has compiled and how much MS has been stepping up their game both in marketing, and with their variety of games nintendo had to do something big like this to keep up. You can't make a ten billion dollar company allowing the compitition to crush you, so I'm not really that surprised that nintendo is doing this. It's still very pleasing to see though, I'll definitely be getting a revolution when they come out.
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Did they give any hint about the new franchise?

Miyamoto didn't want to go into details just yet. But, it being created by him can only mean good things.

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“I definitely enjoy kicking ass more than taking names. I think the team at Nintendo would agree. I’ve done a lot of kicking ass.”

I don't think Nintendo will ever be out of the game. As long as they have their solid franchises going strong, they will always have a niche in the industry. The key is bringing back 3rd party support. Sony is most likely more worried about Microsoft. The more 3rd party support Nintendo and Microsoft continue to gain, the worse off Sony is. With XBox having a superior online system, and Nintendo having it's blockbuster franchises, the only thing missing is a better library for both companies.

As far as the PS2 goes. The ONLY thing that I'm anticipating is Kingdom Hearts II. If that game were going on XBox or Gamecube, my PS2 would be toast.
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Hopefully Miyamoto can make the new franchise something to buy the console for while still making Mario 128 at the level Mario 64 was. I hope he isn't putting too much on his plate.
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Mushroom Division: Round 2 - Match 18 – (3)Revolver Ocelot vs. (2)Dr. Wily

Moltar’s Analysis

Ocelot - Hand-gesturing his way to the top!
Round 1 – vs. Nemesis (Ocelot: 54.66% - Nemesis: 45.34%)

Looks like Nemesis is stronger than we thought. Ocelot barely makes it through.

Dr. Wily - Because deep down, all Doctors are really evil.
Round 1 – vs. Ultros (Wily: 64.03% - Ultros: 35.97%)

Wily smashes Ultros hard, showing us that he has a chance to beat Ocelot.

Well, well, well, how the tides have turned in this match. Let’s take a quick flashback to before the Contest, those not-so-good ol’ days.

~Transition Scene~

When the brackets came out, some matches obviously received more attention than others. One of those matches that got more was Ocelot/Wily. Now sure, this match wasn’t until Round 2, but who cares? We all knew it was going to happen. Now I thought I was being cool, putting Ocelot over Wily. What a rebel I was. Turned out that’s where a majority of the board went too. Shucks for me. In fact, Ocelot over Wily wasn’t even referred too as an upset anymore. People were calling Ocelot with 70%+ on Nemesis, while Wily wouldn’t be so hot against Ultros. People agreed (well, besides HM) and all was good. Now the Contest begins…

~End Transition Scene~

Sigma, the first MM representative in this Contest, had just tanked against Andross. As you should have expected, people linked that directly to Wily, saying that he would flop as well. Then Ocelot/Nemesis comes rolling in and…oh ****. Nemesis was doing extremely well, receiving 45% of the vote against Ocelot. The same Ocelot that was supposed to take down Wily next Round. But if Wily was stronger than Nemesis, then how is he going to do that?

The Ocelot fans had to come up with something quick, and they did. A simple Nemesis underestimation was what that was. It made some sense too, seeing that Nemesis was a pretty major character in RE3. Maybe he really was stronger than we expected. At least Wily wasn’t doing much bette…oh wait, he WAS doing better. Right after Ocelot’s match, we had Wily’s match, and he was kicking butt. We might have known that Ultros was not going to be very strong, but we also expected this to be a somewhat closer match, especially after Sigma failed earlier on. In just 48 hours, people went from total confidence with Ocelot over Wily, to wanting to go back in time and changing their “upset” pick.

I’m not going to lie to you either, I’m not confident right now with Ocelot over Wily in my bracket. Now does that mean I think Wily will win? No, I’m just saying that Ocelot isn’t looking as hot as he did before the Contest, and now Wily has evened the playing field in this match. I’m still sticking with Ocelot in my predictions though. It looks just about even with the two stats-wise, possibly even Wily having the slight advantage, but I believe in a direct match-up between the two, Ocelot will barely beat him out.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Ocelot will win

Moltar’s Prediction is: Ocelot 51% - Dr. Wily 49%



Ulti’s Analysis

Like I said in the Wily/Ultros writeup, Wily may be lucky to make it past Ultros, and Ocelot would just destroy Wily, anyway. I honestly see no reason why Wily would be stronger than Protoman (if he even is), and I feel more hype is being given to this match than necessary. I simply can't see how Ocelot could possibly lose.

Prediction: Ocelot with 66.19%
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Soul’s Analysis

Probably the most hyped second round match. Wily came off an impressive 64.03% win over Ultros. Ocelot struggled against Nemesis, but managed to win with 54.66%.

Before the contest started, people were saying that Ocelot had this match in the bag. Now, after seeing the scores from Round 1, those same people are doubting Ocelot. I'm here to tell you to fear not, Ocelot will still win this match, for one, major reason.

Ultros is weak. Yes, you already know that. But do you know to what extent he is weak? Let me remind you all that he is from FFVI, the same game that Kefka is from. Not only that, but he is a minor villain to boot. We all know Kefka is nowhere near elite level in this contest. In fact, he is somewhat weak. Since Kefka is the main villain, Ultros would be a lot weaker than him.

Wily got 64% against him. That score proves either Ultros is a strong character, or that Wily slipped. I'm thinking the latter.

So, Wily struggled somewhat against a weak Ultros. Now, why didn't someone as strong as Ocelot get a better score against Nemesis? Well, Resident Evil is quite popular on GameFAQs. Nemesis was the lead villain for RE2, considered the best RE game before RE4. Of course he was going to be strong. He was underrated a lot, while Ocelot was a little bit overrated.

Nonetheless, Ocelot should still take this match. Ocelot wins with 52.34%



Outback’s Analysis

Can Wily do to Ocelot what he never could do to Mega Man?

This match makes me extremely happy. With my bracket screwed by my lack of checking my bracket (left Andross over Sigma) and a pick of Kuja over Hand, I can just sit back and watch the carnage. It's a win-win situation for me. Ocelot wins and my bracket is happy; Wily wins and the part of me that loves Mega Man is happy.

Anyway, to my opinions on the match. For Ocelot, either Nemesis is strong or Ocelot is weak (at least weaker then some of us expected). I'm willing to bet that it's a little bit of both. I'm assuming Ultros is weak; Kefka is not exactly a power performer and Ultros has nowhere near the influence in FFVI tha Kefka does. Here is how I would place this four pack on the 2004 SFF-Adjusted XStats. This is based on where I place the < b>< i>LOSERS< /i>< /b> of the matches.

28 Knuckles 24.94%
29 Tommy Vercetti 24.17%
29.5 Revolver Ocelot 23.16
30 Luigi 22.96%
31 KOS-MOS 22.60%
32 Donkey Kong 21.96%
33 Tails 21.71%
34 Kefka 21.21%
34.33 Dr. Wily 21.20%
34.66 Nemesis 21.00%
35 Bomberman 20.85%
36 Ryu H. 20.65%
37 Jill V. 20.64%
38 V. Joe 19.63%
39 Scorpion 19.25%
40 Ness 19.14%
41 Duke Nukem 19.09%
42 Kain 18.81%
43 HK-47 18.58%
44 Max Payne 18.39%
45 Vyse 17.92%
46 Protoman 17.91%
47 Crash 17.54%
48 Jak 17.20%
49 Conker 16.37%
49.5 Ultros 15.25
50 Sam F. 15.03%


Am I putting Ultros too low? Nemesis too high? Ultros too high? Nemesis too low? We'll find out, but this is the way I see it turning out. Also, for those who say Nemesis can't be stronger than Jill, I say that I would also put Jill above Bomberman, but I'm not going to adjust the stats to the way I see them except for these 4 characters in question.

According to my calculations, although I won't be surprised if I'm wrong, as this is all assumption...

Ocelot 54.23 Wily 45.77%
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Inviso’s Analysis

Well…last round, Ocelot failed to double Nemesis, a character from the rather unpopular Resident Evil series here at Gamefaqs. Wily…failed to double Ultros…but got about 10 percent about 10% higher on a Final Fantasy character than Ocelot got on a Resident Evil character. Now, Ocelot still has a chance…albeit small, but I think that Wily will win this one, even without the board votes, because Megaman always beats Metal Gear Solid.

Eyebrows>Hand Gesture

My Prediction: Dr. Wily with 53.37%
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Ulti made this one too before the contest, right? It shows.
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Prediction: Ocelot with 66.19%

I am tempted to say Ulti owns, but I'm guessing he wrote this before the contest.

Heil Dweebenheimer!!! For I am MasterMage119!!!

And Nemmy ahead of Jill? Sorry, but Outback's in denial here. And if the Wily estimation is correct, which is much less far-fetched than the Nemesis one, Wily pretty much has it.
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Read my whole analysis, I said that I'd put Jill over Bomberman too, but I'm not gonna move chars around.
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Yeah, he did.
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Jill beat Bomberman before, and by quite the comfortable margin. But with her literally bleeding X-Sts points through the menstrual flux, I dunno what to think about RE in these contests.
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Is Bowser stronger than last year or are Sigma/Andross/PH just insanely weak?
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We'll have to wait until the Final Four to see about that one. It's obvious that Sigma and Andross are cannon fodder, but it's yet to be determined if Bowser is making them look worse than he should due to an increase in strength.
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what would sigma get on PH right now?
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Bowser, Ocelot||Sephiroth, Snake||Kefka, Diablo||Ganon, Kuja
Bowser, Sephiroth, Diablo, Ganon |||Sephiroth, Ganon, ||||Sephiroth

67.43% by my calculations.
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Assuming Bowser/Liquid are both accurate andstill steady from the 2k4 stats...

Sigma: 12.57%
Tenpenny: 12.30%

...I think I asked this earlier but I'll ask again: Sigma or Tenpenny, who wins?
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heh, after 3 close matches this really is boring by comparison. only 160 posts after 21 hours into the match. we're slowing back down to a snail's pace. =P

anyways, i will enjoy quite a good laugh if Nemesis winds up being the third strongest character in this division. i think Wily will do a little better than Nemesis, but i still think Ocelot will pull through. looks like i'll find out when i wake up.

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Might be back later tonight.
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I gotta take Sigma.
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yeah, i still can't get to Hacked either. =(

thanks for helping some of us get in, though (hopefully)!! ^_^

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Pfft. Now I can get into Hacked, yet I have no real desire to post there. Oh well...

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While Sigma has shown to be really weak I doubt he'd lose to tenpenny.

Edit: wow that's got to be the first time I've actually posted a message with part of a sentence written that I didn't entirely delete.
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I would take Sigma over Tenpenny, no question. How does Andross stand in relation to Pyramid Head, just for curiosity's sake?
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And it's possible that Kefka is ranked too highly as well. I just don't think Pac-Man can draw in votes against fellow iconic characters like Luigi. Mario would probably obliterate him as badly as he did Olimar. The same thing might have happened to Mrs. Pac-Man, too.

Could be Nintendo characters, yeah. Or, Pac-Man/Ms. Pac-Man might just be weakened when facing any icon like themselves, as Mega Man/Ms. Pac-Man may suggest.

And, if Kefka is ranked so far above Pac-Man partly because he's too high, then that means everyone else is overrated, as well. I still stand by my belief that Kefka gained from the previous year. We still have Kefka vs. Wesker to judge, though...scary that Kefka will have to receive about the same percentage against Wesker as Mithos to be on par with his 22.75%.

I'd pick Sigma over Tenpenny, and never look back.

Hey, and notice how that old PotD the day before the contest asking which upset they'd most like to see happen turned out to be rather accurate for their actual popularity. CATS, Ultros, and Tenpenny are low fodder, while M. Bison and Master Hand both do great. I guess Kuja/Master Hand wasn't -completely- without warning. :P I'm almost tempted to call M. Bison to win the Ruin division, too.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1988

That reminds me...if M. Bison turns out to be a great contender for the division, I'm sure Ken's ranking through Samus is more accurate than through Sonic.

Looking at Ulti's old analysis, I woulda said the same thing before the contest. I had no idea Revolver Ocelot would have so little backing, but I was simply going by word of mouth, and had no subjection under Ocelot.

Oh, yeah, I'm very, very excited about the Revolution. Forget the graphics these days...

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I think you're crazy if you don't think Jill is misplaced in 2k4. Everything, and I mean everything, said Samus should have stomped Cloud's face in. It may be just me, but I think that she is/was legitimately strogner than Link and Cloud indirectly. I'm actually afraid of her facing Sephiroth now... But however you look at it, Jill just isn't right in 2k4. I'm not saying I think nemesis is that high, but I know Jill isn't that low.

Oh, and what's wiht you people going from one ridiculous idea to another? Boswer isn't doing any SFFing here (nor did Link last year on MM) and he's not suddenly stronger because he's in a villains contest. He's stomping these little turds because they are weak. I don't know why you all had such high aspirations for Sigma, and I don't know why you can't let him go after he performed so miserably against Andross, but he's stains. Get over it.
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Haste, the entire 20XX division is overranked, Kefka included. Oh, and LS included too, which is why nobody should have any doubts about Sigma/Tenpenny. I still can't believe tenpenny made in, in fact.
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But my silent fears have gripped me, long before I reach the phone, long before my tongue has tripped me. Must I always be alone?

CATS and Ansem will look like powerhouses when Ganon beats MH with 95% of the vote :/

If the Hand makes it past Eggman, of course.
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